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Q: Proof verification for $\rm dim range \,ST \le \min (dim range\, S, dim range\, T)$.

Koro$U,V$ are finite dimensional vector spaces. $W$ is a given vector space. Let $T\in L(U,V), S\in L(V,W)$ be linear transformations then it is to be shown that $\rm dimrange \,ST\le\min (dimrange\, T, dimrange \,S).$ Proof: For any $\rm x\in range \,ST, \exists y\in U$ such that $\rm STy=x$; and h...

 
How is prime notation treated for multivariable functions? So if I have x = f(a, b) and a = z(c, d) and c = t ^ 2 and d = 3t when I do x prime what is it derived with respect to? the variable t?
 
You write $\dfrac{\partial f}{\partial a}$ or $f_a$. You write $\dfrac{dx}{dt}$ for the derivative of the composition.
Or, in the prime world, you have to write $g(t)=f(a(t),b(t))$ and then $g'(t)$.
Your letters seem to be scrambled a bit. Unusual to use $a,b,c,d$ as variables.
 
5:24 PM
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Q: If Series $\sum \sqrt\frac{a_n}{n}$ converges then $\sum a_n$ converges?

TonyGiven $a_n>0$. If Series $\sum \sqrt\frac{a_n}{n}$ converges then $\sum a_n$ converges? My approach: Ihad used atmost every method like 1)AM and GM inequality 2) cauchy Swartz inequality 3) by definition of convergent series and so on.. I am not able to prove this statement. I am thinking now thi...

 
Yeah I'm pretty new to this, probably don't use the conventional semantics. One more question? If I have functions w, x, y, z, u, v and t (my actual problem rn the teacher gave) and if w is related to x, y and z and if the three functions x, y and z are related to u and v and if the two function u and v are related to t, when w prime is written, does that mean dw/dt?
And also, would that be equal to (I will express partial derivative as pd) pdw/pdx * pdx/pdu * du/dt + pdw/pdx * pdx/pdv * dv/dt + pdw/pdy * pdy/pdu * du/dt + pdw/pdy * pdy/pdv * dv/dt + pdw/pdz * pdz/pdu * du/dt + pdw/pdz * pdz/pdv * dv/dt
Sorry for the length of the question?
 
When there are so many variables, the use of prime is discouraged.
Unless, as I did, you explicitly define a function of $t$ by composition. Teachers tend to be very sloppy and students get confused.
 
Is it correct tho?
 
That is a crazy mess. Just think back to how you did things in single-variable calculus like the derivative of $\sin^2(\sqrt x)$.
 
What I have stated? If you have the nerves to check xD
 
5:30 PM
You layer the functions and you use the chain rule repeatedly.
 
Thats the actual question
 
I can't read your nonsense. Do it step by step.
You have $w=f(x,y,z)$, and $x=x(u(t),v(t))$, etc.
So $\dfrac{dx}{dt} = \dfrac{\partial x}{\partial u}\dfrac{du}{dt} + \dfrac{\partial x}{\partial v}\dfrac{dv}{dt}$. So you should have six terms when you put everything together. It looks like you do.
I would try to do it carefully in steps.
 
5:47 PM
No I am not trying to take the partial derivative of x
I am doing $\dfrac{dw}{dt}
ok I will write the way you wrote, one sec
 
now i've got one for you lads
featuring my shitty lecture notes
I need to figure out where this formula for probability comes from
 
I will just post a fking picture I cant write in that notation
mind you, my handwriting is hideous
 
$P(A\capB) = P(A_1 \cap B_2) + P(A_2 \cap B_1)$
you might ask yourself
shintuku
what are those terms, the definitions, give us something to work with
you wouldn't ask a reasonable person to work with this!
well, kind interlocutor
i am being asked to work with this monstrosity without any defined term
it's some form of the multiplication rule in probability
and the subscripts indicate the order that the events occur
 
@Silidrone That's what I want you to understand. Take $$\frac{dw}{dt} = \frac{\partial w}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial w}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt} + \frac{\partial w}{\partial z}\frac{dz}{dt}.$$
 
The core problem is I dont understand that syntax at all
Is that matlab
 
5:57 PM
No, it's how we write mathematics in here. It's based on LaTeX. Without learning that, mathematics is like trying to read hieroglyphics.
 
yeah on a PC, is there an online LaTeX visualizer for newbies like me?
just so I can understand u now
 
Note that you can get it typeset by getting the $\LaTeX$ in chat thing above to the right.
 
$\LaTeX$
 
Look at the column on the right.
 
@Silidrone you can use stackedit.io too
(to preview what it looks like before posting it here)
 
5:58 PM
@shin What are $A_i$ and $B_i$?
 
What I have, is that A and B are events, and the subscripts indicate the order they occur, but the lecture notes given by my teacher simply proceed to apply this formula repeatedly without further definitions
I shot that formula here in the faint hope that maybe someone would recognize something similar somewhere
i know it's absurd to ask this with this little information
 
@TedShifrin Okay now I understand it with a help of a visualizer. But basically that's three terms and with chain rule, each will yield two terms, right? So in total I'd have 6 terms, correct?
 
Yes, @Silidrone, which is probably what you wrote down, but I seriously can't begin to read it. But I'm suggesting how you can think through it systematically.
@shin So the point is that the events cannot be simultaneous? ... I guess your teacher is trying to set this up to apply Bayes Formula, which is the standard approach.
 
But while using chain rule for each one of them (x, y and z) I will be partially deriving with respect to u and v which will also yield a derivation with respect to t, right?
 
Yes. It's like layers of an onion. As I said, think through how you did the derivative of $\sin^2(\sqrt x)$ in beginning calculus. First you take $\sqrt$, then you take $\sin$, then you square. So the chain rule peels those layers of the onion.
 
6:04 PM
Sorry for bothering you, just last time to check a 100%, is the expression I wrote correct?
I don't wanna continue the topic without being absolutely sure I understand the chain rule
 
thanks for the tip TedShifrin
 
I hope my handwriting is better than my digital math writing xD
 
Yes, @Silidrone. It's correct. I never taught my students to do those tree diagrams. But it's telling you to do what I told you to do if you look at it right.
I just chopped it off below the $w$ to do the beginning.
 
Okay, thank you so much!
 
@shin: So is it impossible for the events to be simultaneous?
If not, there should be a third term.
 
6:10 PM
I am utterly unsure, I'm guessing not given the fact we have the indication that these are a succession. At this point it's divination (and I will be graded on my divination skills, yay!) Instead of an explanation, we immediately get an example of an application
Suppose $P(A) = 6/15$ and $P(B) = 7/15$, and suppose $A, B$ are independent. Then, $P(A\cap B) = \frac{6}{15}\frac{7}{15} + \frac{6}{15}\frac{7}{15} = \frac{28}{75}$
 
That has nothing to do with the sequencing you wrote earlier.
It looks like garbage.
If the events are independent, then $P(A\cap B) = P(A)P(B)$.
That's basically a definition.
Do you have a basic probability text to read? I recommend that.
 
and....... it is garbage! the full expression is $P(A \cap B) = P(A_1 \cap B_2) + P(A_2 \cap B_1) = \frac{6}{15}\frac{7}{15} + \frac{7}{15}\frac{6}{15}$. don't worry I recognize this is meaningless without further explanation (which i do not have, ha!)
yes there's a text, but the class notes aren't sourced and don't reference the text
I'll have to search until I find something
but thanks for the honest attempt hehe
 
No, this truly is garbage.
 
yes yes it was my appraisal as well
 
See my sentence on the definition of independent events.
 
6:35 PM
Terminology question Ted. Out of curiosity why did you use "maximum value theorem" instead of the usual "extreme value theorem" to name the theorem?
 
@monoidaltransform Wrong. Consider $F_1=K=\mathbb Q(T)$ and $F_2=\mathbb Q(T^{1/2})$.
 
No gripping reason, @DCthe.
 
6:54 PM
@shintuku Mathematical STatistics and Data Analysis by Rice is one of the stalwarts when it comes to non-measure theoretic probability theory. And based on what you wrote above would be at the level you need for your course.
IDK what that nonsense is of the full expression you were given as an example, but as Ted said...beyond garbage
 
When I taught probability, I unearthed a free text or two that seemed reasonable. One is Bertsekas & Tsitsiklis (from engineering at MIT). Another is Grinstead & Snell.
 
thanks a lot for the recommendations people!
 
@D.C.theIII DC appreciates my using those words on somebody other than him :P
 
you should see my exchanges with ted when i was doing multivar calc
 
Was I mean enough to traumatize you for life?
 
7:09 PM
eh
gotta learn somehow
 
I should be grateful that my students over the 36+ years I taught never sent me their therapy bills.
But they said enough nice things, anyhow, to win me a bunch of teaching awards :D
Anyhow, this garbage was not yours, @shin.
 
yes i underwent intense training on mathexchange chat to say precise things
 
That's a good skill to have acquired :)
 
@shintuku GOing through that training right now.......does make a difference.
 
One of my favorite elementary applications of the Bayes formula in probability is to understanding false negatives/positives in drug/disease testing. People have no understanding of or intuition for this.
 
7:15 PM
@TedShifrin One of the reasons why we are in the "quagmire" we are in now.
 
Which particular quagmire?
 
Vaccine paranoia....
 
I'm not sure there's anything nearly so mathematical behind that one.
 
I'm of the belief that the reason these folks act the way they do to an extent is because of their lack of understanding of things. So because these ideas have a higher level of complexity they tend to try and "simplify" them to concepts they understand which leads down a deleterious road.........I just wanted to try and shoehorn in deleterious into my convo.
I have a qustion about making the idea of a question I'm doing in you P-set ted, "formalish". It is in regards to the question of maximizing the product of one with the square of the next and the cube of the last with the constraint that the three numbers sum to 12.
So informally I have that there is a parabola opening up downwards. In the question prior I showed that if I have a closed unbounded set, $f$ being continuous, and $f(x) \to \infty$ while $\|x\| \to \infty$ with $x \in A$ that there exists a minimum. I don't see why I couldn't apply that here with the right manipulations: so $f(x) \to -\infty$.
 
Well, aren't the three numbers actually nonnegative? So you're on a compact set.
This was before Lagrange multipliers? I don't berember.
 
7:25 PM
Yes. Before Lagrange
 
Did you ever solve that one with the radial derivatives being positive on the boundary?
Oh yeah, the numbers are nonnegative, so the domain is definitely compact.
But we have to look at the domain once we've reduced to two independent variables.
 
Haven't done the radial derivative one. Haven't seen it. I would've done that one for sure, just for the trig practice.
Yes the frontier of the domain is what is getting me.
 
Yes, you asked me about it twice.
Problem B on that set.
 
Oh...yes. I've never heard the term radial derivative so that threw me off
 
Directional derivative in the radial direction.
 
7:33 PM
good ol' geometry terminology....glad I'm just re-reading my geometry notes every night to refresh myself
 
7:45 PM
Apparently $\Bbb Z^{\Bbb N}$ (the group of infinite integer sequences) is not free abelian??
The Baer-Specker group
(Equivalently, it does not have a basis)
 
Finitely supported sequences in there are the free Abelian group of countable rank
I'm sure there's a bs category theory explanation, but it should be easy to check by hand
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Sure
but I would have expected us to be able to use the axiom of choice to BS our way to a basis for the whole thing
I found a proof online
I'm gonna have to marinate on this
or meditate
Ruminate?
That's the one I think
 
Evening (adjust for you time zone preference).
I've always found https://math.stackexchange.com/a/4245115/12879 to be a tickling answer to a cute problem. I wrote a straightforward computer implementation of it.
I can't make heads or tails of the results.
@AkivaWeinberger I'd go with marinate. It always has a preferable outcome to me.
I do the regular standard deviation of my samples. The deviation is always too low?
What kind of distribution of the samples would give a too low standard deviation.
In conclusion how would I go about make a decent, math.stack question about my concerns, confusions and ailments?
My last result was e = 2.79231 +-0.0123527
Also, another strange thing is the running time is desperately hard to analyze. I recently started to introduce parameter time_of_day.
Cool. Thanks for rubberducking me. The method proposed by Jean-Claude seems to consistently overestimate e.
 
8:08 PM
so the natural logarithm is an integral transform of something?
 
@geocalc33 Well |log2| is just a count of the number of binary digits. |Log10| is just a measure of how long it takes to write a number with a pencil. The natural just scares me, so it probably involves infinity and very large exponents.
 
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