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1:20 AM
nah, 10^200 and 10^300 take the same amount of time to write with a pencil.
saying that just to break the silence. i get the point and i like that frame of reference.
 
Death and pro-life murder is the frame of reference. Oh, never mind.
 
my daughter was two when she learned the phrase 'lockdown drill' and enacted one. they can't do much at 2, but they try. presumably there is now a list of best practices that gets refined after every one of these.
 
This country is soon beyond saving.
 
you can develop base b log (b a positive integer) from the field axioms pretty quickly if you frame it in terms of "digit" counting. log_b(c) is a limit of a sequence counting base-b digits of c^n.
some of the properties are easier to prove than others.
 
Math is off-topic.
 
1:28 AM
well, at least i only have one kid to worry about. we thought about having more but nah.
 
Let’s all go to Houston for the NRA convention and get covid and shot.
I’m so furious.
 
i'm sure they let people bring weapons onto the floor of those keynote speeches.
or maybe they do the ironic thing and ban them in the name of safety.
 
2:17 AM
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Q: Proving that $\rm dim range \,ST \le \min (dim range\, S, dim range\, T)$.

Koro$U,V$ are finite dimensional vector spaces. $W$ is a given vector space. Let $T\in L(U,V), S\in L(V,W)$ be linear transformations then it is to be shown that $\rm dimrange \,ST\le\min (dimrange\, T, dimrange \,S).$ Proof: For any $\rm x\in range \,ST, \exists y\in U$ such that $\rm STy=x$; and h...

 
yes. you could write it more cleanly. no backwards E's. the range of ST is a subset of the range of S, so its dimension is no larger than that of the range of S. and as you note, rank-nullity, applied to S as a map from range(T) to W, implies the last bit.
the elementwise stuff sorta justifies some of the hypotheses but if you were doing it an exam setting you might skip it.
"dimrange" also looks ugly, i prefer operatorname{rank} or \operatorname{dim} \operatorname{range}
 
@leslietownes that’s what I wanted to know. Thanks a lot :)
@leslietownes noted.
 
2:48 AM
rank nullity applied to maps whose domains and ranges are something other than all of some R^m and some R^n is a good reason all by itself to learn linear algebra.
 
3:20 AM
Well, any subspace of an $\Bbb R^m$ is an $\Bbb R^\ell$, so what's your point.
 
you know, but for the benefit of the channel, having to choose a basis when there is no obvious candidate for one.
sincerely, leslie.
 
Is there way to see who bookmarked my post?
 
an interesting question. i do not know the answer.
 
Who needs obvious bases?
@Prithu I don't know the answer, either, but my guess is no.
 
I found this Query but it says it works for TeX.SE.
 
3:28 AM
I don't think that's bookmarking; I think that's upvoting.
 
Yes, query for 'favorite' votes, see the duplicate for why it's called that. Users that bookmarked a specific post will have voted with that type of vote on the post. — Martijn Pieters Oct 12, 2020 at 15:06
 
He's making an assumption there. Although it may be valid on most occasions.
I have only bookmarked one or two posts in all my time here. I think I was curious to see if there was a response to one. I don't think I upvoted.
 
@PrithuBiswas there's a tedious way.
By going to individual's profiles and see.
 
Maybe I could ask Martin.
 
Search all individuals’ profiles??!!
 
3:37 AM
yes. the process of elimination.
it is a finite search space.
 
hi
what does $\frac{\partial }{\partial x}$ exactly mean and why can we multiply it?
I know the ordinary $\frac{d}{dx}$ operator though
what is it "operating" at?
I mean, for the ordinary $\frac{d}{dx}$, there should be "something" it "operates" on, like $\frac{dx^2}{dx} = 2x.$
 
on some set of functions for which the operation makes sense.
the wikipedia page nods at this, "Clearly, the natural domain of definition of these partial differential operators is the space of {\displaystyle C^{1}}C^{1} functions on a domain {\displaystyle \Omega \subseteq \mathbb {R} ^{2},}{\displaystyle \Omega \subseteq \mathbb {R} ^{2},}"
you don't need to agree with the 'clearly' or have an independent understanding of the term 'natural domain of definition' to see that those things do have meanings as maps on those spaces.
sometimes the choice of domain is important. sometimes it is not.
 
thank you! i'm barely new to this stuff
 
it's a little hard to digest at first because sometimes it seems circular.
to say that ' is an operator on the set of things that have derivatives.
 
@leslietownes All that latex and still refused to encapsulate it with $$........anarchist...
 
4:10 AM
yeah, that came straight out of a cut-paste from google chrome.
i just want to see the world burn.
the last month really was horrible for the market. i made the mistake of checking my accounts.
good thing lesliecoin is rock solid.
 
@leslietownes Except Ted’s share.
 
For most....I'm doing ok. Well lesliecoin is the only true "stablecoin" out there
 
thanks! still trying to really understand this. btw i'm new to chat too, does it really not compile? I'm seeing it remains latex-typed
 
@automorp15m look in the top right hand corner by the description of the chat and you'll get the compliling instructions
 
thank you!
 
4:15 AM
it compiles if you are not an agent of chaos who leaves out the $$
dc3: yes, a lot of people are saying this. the only thing preventing it from being truly stable is how its value is constantly doubling and tripling.
ted's just cranky because his newest yacht isn't ready yet. lesliecoin is not responsible for supply chain issues.
 
why are you shilling coins? 😅
 
"shilling" is such a tawdry word for what i am doing.
i suppose george washington and the founding fathers were 'shilling' freedom and democracy. okay, by that standard, call me a shill.
 
even got the textbook rhetoric to use to defend your coin down pat....impressive
 
i went through a few more offensive analogies before i got to that one, most involving some form of religion.
nobody minds a fond pop at the ol' founding fathers.
 
not a single crypto exchange found for that coin,
 
4:28 AM
it's available only to a select few at the moment.
 
@leslietownes anyone can relate it to a random coin tho
 
yes, although there is no substitute for the real thing.
 
@leslietownes does that mean $\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$ is the same as $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$ where $f$ is in the domain? (kind of starting to understand but not there yet)
 
kinda. it's a bit more like how sometimes people write f instead of f(x) as the function. you can sometimes omit what you are applying the function to, and don't always need to separately introduce notation for it.
you do a similar thing if you write ' instead of f'. by ' i mean the operation of taking the derivative; by f' i mean that operation applied to some f.
d/dx is to ' as f' is to df/dx. if that makes sense.
or partials instead of d's.
 
okay, so $f$ is "given" or pre-defined
thankss!
 
4:43 AM
maybe $\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(f) = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$?...I think you're getting lost in notation
 
maybe i got lost in translation
wait
@D.C.theIII i know this but
 
if you thnk of the "ordinary" functions from calculus you would do $f(x) = blah$
 
what i was asking was $\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$ without the $f$
 
in this case $\frac{\partial}{\partial x} = f$ and $f = x$
 
i'm more confused now haha
thank you, will try to search for more
yeah, i'm really lost in notations
 
4:46 AM
yeah omit that last thing I said. the part above it would make more sense
 
5:15 AM
Hi!
${\partial \over \partial x}$ makes sense in the context of functions of the form $f(...,x,...)$.
 
5:36 AM
@AkivaWeinberger the proof I know is that $\Bbb Z^{\Bbb N}$ is too rigid to be free, its dual is the free group on a countable set, while it would have to be very uncountable if the group were free
 
there's a lot of really, really goofy stuff going on in infinite abelian groups. lots of stuff can depend on what set theory you believe in.
it's a wilderness out there and i suggest that we not venture into it
 
maybe if you are Abel?
poor grandad wasn't Abel.
 
@AkivaWeinberger here is a related fun fact. For a group $G$ define its dual to be $G^\ast=\mathrm{Hom}(G,\Bbb Z)$
Just like for vector spaces we have a canonical homomorphism $j\colon G\to G^{\ast\ast}$ given by $g\mapsto(f\mapsto f(g))$, that is $g$ is sent to the morphism "evaluation at $g$" on $G^\ast$. We say that $G$ is reflexive iff $j$ is an isomorphism
Now let $G$ be free Abelian. Must it be reflexive? The answer is yes if and only if $G$ has cardinality smaller than the least measurable cardinal!
 
How quickly we devolve into religion.
no takers
 
6:04 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti Weird!
 
Hii. Anyone knows how to find the number of elements of a group of a specific order.
 
@NeelRayal is it the same question here? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2081815/…
btw how to copy-paste an image here on chat?
 
@automorp15m I am not able to understand the answer there. Maybe it isn't taught yet in our class.
@automorp15m There is an upload button to the right of send button .
Order of an element divides order of a group. So to find elements of order 7 the n/GCD(a, b) = 7.
So 42/GCD(a, 42) = 7

Using the above property, a can be 2*3, 2^2*3, 2^3*3, 2*3^2, 2^2*3^3

I could find only five elements but answer says there are 6 such elements possible. Which one am I missing?
 
6:30 AM
Fun fact (that I'm 80% sure is true): $\binom nk$ is odd iff every binary digit of $n$ is greater or equal to the corresponding binary digit of $k$
 
Abstract Spacecrat lives again, and this time in C++, with KaTeX support
 
@muad yeah?
 
Everything's going to be black on white - I'm reserving colors for UX / e.g. highlighting commuting squares or something
 
@NeelRayal maybe I need more reputation to have that feature
 
@automorp15m math.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/chat-rooms "At 100 reputation you also get access to the "Upload image" button in chat."
 
6:43 AM
@AkivaWeinberger almost free modules: set theoretic methods by Eklof and Mekler is the standard reference for those things
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Thanks
 
It's easy to show that if $G=\bigoplus_{\alpha<\kappa}\Bbb Z$ with $\kappa$ measurable, then $j\colon G\to G^{\ast\ast}$ is not surjective, getting a measurable from a nonreflexive free abelian group is harder
 
Your proof for $\Bbb Z^{\Bbb N}$ not being free is simpler than the one I found online
 
Well you still need some argument to show that the dual is small
math.stackexchange.com/questions/3570121/… I explained the easy implication here
 
6:48 AM
I like that blog
 
What's a measurable cardinal
 
before we go too far
 
Uhm there's a billion ways to define one
 
@MartinSleziak Wow it works! Thanks Martin =)
 
6:54 AM
The easiest (and the one I'm using in the linked answer) is that a cardinal $\kappa$ is measurable if there is a $\kappa$-complete nonprincipal ultrafilter (meaning that it is closed under intersections of less than $\kappa$ many elements) on $\kappa$
The definition actual set theorists like is the critical point (first ordinal that gets moved) of a nontrivial elementary embedding $j\colon V\to M$ for some class $M\subseteq V$
 
What's an elementary embedding
Wait so you're putting the universe in a subclass of the universe?
(In my mind a "class" is a "metaset" - like, whereas a set is just an object of the axiomatic theory, a class is a set in the metatheory. Is that a good perspective to have?)
 
Yes, but the theory can also define some classes
@AkivaWeinberger a function $j:V\to M$ that preserves truth of formulas, meaning that for every formula $\phi(x_1,\ldots,x_n)$ and every $v_1,\ldots,v_n\in V$ we have $V\vDash\phi(v_1,\ldots,v_n)\iff M\vDash\phi(j(v_1),\ldots,j(v_n))$
(this makes sense for maps of structures in any language, there's nothing special about ZFC)
 
@NeelRayal The numbers are the multiples of $6$ that are not divisible by $7$. You are missing $30$.
 
7:14 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti So the set-theoretic universe isn't "rigid", in a sense
 
@copper.hat Got it. Thanks!
Can anyone confirm the answer? How is the order of g 5? $g^{8(4)}$ So $ord(8) = 4$, right?
 
7:30 AM
@AkivaWeinberger only assuming large cardinals
 
8:17 AM
@NeelRayal If there were an element of order 5, then the subgroup generated by that element would have order 5, and 5 would therefore divide the order of G. Does 5 divide 32?
 
 
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10:12 AM
Does Iwasawa decomposition of SL_2(\Bbb R) show SL_2(\Bbb R) is 3-dimensional manifold?
 
10:33 AM
test
Ah took some abstract space crack
and studied math lying on my back
 
is abs(x) * x equal to x ^ 3?
 
At most it's x^2
o_O
 
oh yeah xD
Gosh
I meant that
is it the same as x ^ 2
 
No, because $x$ negative would negate everthin
while $x^2$ is always non-neg
newb :D
 
but if t >= 0
always
 
10:38 AM
Yes, then true
 
aghh Im so confused. Im actually studying calc 2 but I am stuck on a basic concept, I derived a function and now have a rational function with bunch of xs on the numerator and denominator, and I can cancel out but the thing is in the denominator there is abs(x), but I will only ever put in 0 for the x
so I have to cancel out so I dont get an undefined expression
so does that mean I can treat abs(x) as x
 
But not true for complex $x$
 
Hello! in this problem, is the $\Delta$ here the same as $\nabla ^2 $ ?
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/345878/proving-that-f-is-analytic-if-f-and-z-fz-are-harmonic
 
$|i|i = i \neq i^2 = -1$.
 
Basically I find w prime successfully, but when I try to put in t=0 I get undefined expression as I have abs(t) in the denominator
If anyone finds spare time it'd be nice to see the solution for this question
 
10:46 AM
and is it commonly used? I saw $\nabla^2$ more often, in the link I saw $\Delta$ to refer to the Laplacian operator
 
Those are two different things
in the standard
 
@AbstractSpaceCrack so the writer just used it in that particular problem?
but he meant $\nabla ^2$ right?
 
The writer is not doing a good job of communicating ideas
 
yeah I was able to follow hardly, at least (by solving the parts he didn't show)
 
Yeah, some books you just close up immediately such as typewritten and some it takes you a while to figure out that they're not you're style of read
 
10:51 AM
so to clarify (sorry for repeating)

in that particular writer's answer where they used $\Delta$ actually refers to $\nabla ^2$ ?
the Laplacian operator
 
@AbstractSpaceCrack wait I'm sorry, was this a reply to
@Silidrone this?
 
Do you like commutative diagrams?
I like them because they let us get away with doing math by drawing objects and arrows and reasoning in a "diagram chase".
 
@automorp15m yeah, the issue is u prime has abs(t) in it's denominator, and at the end when I do w prime (0) I get a 0 in the denominator
 
Hello everyone! I'll repeat my question 😅
in this problem, is the $\Delta$ referring to the aplacian operator $\nabla ^2 $ ?
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/345878/proving-that-f-is-analytic-if-f-and-z-fz-are-harmonic
@Silidrone wait umh
 
10:57 AM
@automorp15m
see link, they answered that before
 
@AbstractSpaceCrack thankss! 😃
 
No problem - please don't work on advanced weapons with this calculus
Use it for peaceful things
Abstract space is like crack to me - don't ruin it
 
Ah Iwasawa decomposition implies $SL_2(\Bbb R)\cong S^1\times\Bbb R^2$ so 3-dim mfd.
 
@automorp15m nice use of emoji's
:D
unicode ones I mean
I'm using the milkyway as my app icon
in a C++ / Qt app
 
i'm using emoji's from web, WIN + "."
btw, does messenger no longer render $\LaTeX$ ?
 
11:02 AM
😎😎😎😎
sheeet, didn't know about that
🐱‍🚀🐱‍👓😃😍🤣🤣
 
last time I was able to render in messenger was about 2020, but I forgot when it stopped
 
What's messenger?
 
facebook messenger
 
Facebook accepts bribes from scammers. Mathematicians are averse to that, so they probably removed the LaTeX support
 
11:18 AM
@Silidrone That's a bit hard to read. What does w'/o/ mean? Is that power of v supposed to be 3? Please see math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/33075/207316 Unfortunately, Stack Exchange Chat doesn't directly support MathJax, but there's a link at the top of the page to ChatJax, which uses bookmarks to render MathJax here.
@automorp15m Also see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del
 
11:45 AM
@copper.hat 0 is not a natural number.
 
12:01 PM
$\mathbb N$ is poisoned to me. Now I end up with awkward notation $\mathbb Z_+$ or $\mathbb Z_{\ge0}$
 
I feel a bit sorry for the prime sieve guy math.stackexchange.com/q/4455158 He's putting in a lot of effort to convert his notation to MathJax, but that by itself won't make the question worthy of reopening. He's still using vaguely defined terminology, or using terminology that already has a well-defined meaning, and expecting readers to just know what he means by those terms.
Maybe it's just me, but this is virtually buzz word salad:
> It's a prime numbers sieve that unravels as harmonic patterns of co-primes of an ever growing sequence of prime generators numbers (G) that depicts the harmonic distribution of prime numbers.
 
12:23 PM
@PM2Ring maybe spend more time on vixra to desensitise yourself. Or...don't
 
1:07 PM
which one is correct or better?
"harmonic on D" or "harmonic in D" ?
harmonic functions
D being the domain
 
i have no preference. you see both, to me they seem interchangeable.
 
harmonic over D
 
and
"analytic on D" or "analytic in D" ?
ohhh
@onepotatotwopotato didn't see this, but sounds good
 
it might annoy me if someone wasn't consistent in which one they used, because then you'd begin to wonder if they meant something by the difference.
 
@leslietownes yeah, I want to be consistent but I'm undecided between the two
"harmonic $\textit{ON}$" actually sounds a bit off to me
 
1:11 PM
looking in my own past notes, i seem to use 'on' and not 'in'.
and in the moment, i do think i like it better. but you could have told me i did it the other way around and i would have believed you.
i think a phrase like 'continuous on [a,b]' is way more common than 'continuous in [a,b].' if that should matter.
 
@leslietownes I see
I'll just use "on"
thanks!
 
if D could vary for a given f, one thing i would worry about would be using language that suggested D was the set on which the thing was harmonic, that the set of points at which f was harmonic was D and not a larger set. but neither 'on' or 'in' carry that connotation, in my mind. and maybe that isn't even a relevant consideration in your setting.
 
1:35 PM
I say that we should experiment with other prepositions.
Continuous with $D$.
Continuous under $D$.
Continuous upon $D$.
Continuous beyond Thunderdome... er... $D$.
 
continuous during D
 
1:48 PM
Hello, I dont find any way to specify an expert prior for that (I am noob). It has to be limited 0,1. It has to have a 95% CI. The most probable value of the diagnostic sensitivity and specificity of the
test being used was determined as 0.85 and 0.95, with a 95% probability
interval of 0.82−0.90 and 0.90−0.97, respectively. Translate this as good
as possible in a prior distribution for sensitivity Se and specificity Sp.
 
 
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2:49 PM
I knew that limits are defined for limit points because, otherwise, for example a function from Z to R could have any possible limit L because the condition $0<|x-x_0|<\delta \implies |f(x)-L|<\epsilon$ is vacuously true. However, I always thought that the use of limit points is also to modellize the concept of "go near $x_0$ as much as I want", because that is the intuitive meaning of $x \to x_0$.
Is this latter intuitive reason correct too, or the reason why we need limit points is just to have the implication not always vacuously true?
 
Hey guys, I'm looking for a proof of tensor product of noetherian modules is a noetherian module, i don't know if someone has a reference on it?
 
@AlekMurt that's not difficult to prove for yourself
Let $M$ be a Noetherian module and let $N$ be a finitely generated module over a ring $A$. Then there's a surjection $A^n\to N$ for some $n$. Now tensor that surjection with $M$, to get a surjection $M^n \to M \otimes_A N$. Can you conclude from there?
@XanderHenderson Continuous betwixt $D$.
 
3:07 PM
I suppose instead of $M^n$ is $A^n$, how do i know once i tensor the surjectios still holds?
 
that's a general property of tensor products, people call that "right exact"
and I do mean $M^n$. we have $A^n\otimes_A M \cong M^n$
the general statement is that if $f:X\to Y$ is an $A$-linear surjection, then for any $A$-module $Z$, the induced $A$-linear map $Z \otimes_A X \to Z\otimes_A Y$ is also surjective
 
Do u have a reference where i can see a proof for that statement?
 
do you know what a short exact sequence is? In all references I can think of it's phrased in terms of those
 
Ya, i believe the proof is going that way ya
 
ok so you can find in many sources on commutative algebra e.g. Atiyah-Macdonald the statement that if $0 \to M' \to M \to M'' \to 0$ is exact, then $ N\otimes M' \to N \otimes M \to N \otimes M'' \to 0$ is exact
this implies the statement about surjections above
 
3:17 PM
Ok, going back to the proof of noetherian modules, having such application as u show is all I need no?
 
well if you know that $M$ is Noetherian, then $M^n$ is also Noetherian and if $M\otimes_A N$ is a quotient of that, it's Noetherian as well
 
So, all relies in that statement that u just showed me, i will check atiyah book
 
4:01 PM
If $M$ is finitely generated, we have an epimorphism $A^{n} \rightarrow M$ for some $n$. This induces a monomorphism $hom _{A}(M, N) \hookrightarrow \operatorname{hom}_{A}\left(A^{n}, N\right)=N^{n}$.

Hey, I'm trying to see why is this true, how come we can induce such injective function and how do we have the last equality.
 
4:37 PM
This is the usual dual map construction. There’s only one possible thing to do.
 
5:13 PM
you can also do this directly. If $M$ is generated by $m_1, \dots, m_n$, then you can define an injection $\mathrm{Hom}(M,N)\hookrightarrow N^{n}$ via $f \mapsto (f(m_1), \dots, f(m_n))$
 
Hello everyone. I have the following short question. Is $\Bbb{Z}/6\Bbb{Z}$ not a UFD since for example [4] can not be factorized with irreducible elements?
 
It’s not a domain!
 
sorry what is a domain?
 
What does UFD mean?
 
ah I see you mean because it's not an integral domain?
 
5:18 PM
Right.
 
perfect thanks!
 
6:15 PM
If I have a basis of eigenvectors and I apply Gram Schmidt to them to orthogonllize them and then proceed to normalize them as well, would this orthonormal basis still be eignevectors in general? I know in the case of self adjoint opertors it will and also for normal operators in a complex inner product space. But I was curious if it happens in general. I tried a quick rough proof but it didn't yield much
 
@D.C.theIII clearly not, or every diagonalizable linear operator would be normal!
the version of the spectral theorem that I learned says that on an inner product space over the complex numbers, a linear operator is normal if and only if there is an orthonormal basis of eigenvectors
 
@LukasHeger Yup, that's what I just learned yesterday. So I was trying to "expand" on it. Hence why my proof sketch collapsed.
Haven't got to the spectral theorem yet, well at least formally stated as the spectral theorem
 
there is a generalization of the spectral theorem, called the singular value decomposition that also works for non-normal operators. But it won't give you a basis of eigenvectors in general
 
6:42 PM
@D.C.theIII no, GS does not preserve the eigenspaces.
 
Got it. Thanks
 
 
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9:38 PM
@D.C.theIII The usual argument for the spectral theorem is to apply GS only to eigenspaces of dimension >1. And the eigenspaces for distinct eigenvalues are already orthogonal.
 
yeah. and that little piece of the argument works anywhere, you can GS a basis for an eigenspace (of any operator) and get an ONB for the eigenspace the same way you can GS a basis for any vector space W and get an ONB for W. there's just less of any reason to do that if the operator isn't normal.
just as some people wish they could see a movie or play or something again for the first time, i wish i could re-learn the spectral theorem with fresh eyes.
 
9:55 PM
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Q: Is a linear operator $T$ that is normal, normal regardless of the ordered basis while the matrix representation of that operator must be on an ortho..

D.C. the IIIIs a linear operator $T$ that is normal, normal regardless of the ordered basis while the matrix representation of that operator must be on an orthonormal basis? I was attempting an exercise that asked to produce a counter example to the false claim that the linear operator $T$ is normal iff the ...

 
Normality is a basis-free issue.
It's about a linear map (operator). Nothing to do with matrices or anything else.
 
objection, compound
 
Here's an easier version for you. You know what a symmetric matrix is. A symmetric linear map satisfies $(Tx,y) = (x,Ty)$ for all $x,y$. When is the matrix of a symmetric linear map a symmetric matrix?
This is something many students fail to understand.
 
@TedShifrin let me think about this
 
the question in the post, as phrased, comes awfully close to inviting a type mismatch. it is using two definitions of "normal." one for operators, one (implicitly) for boxes of numbers. the adjoint operation that you get from the operator definition only coincides with the box-of-numbers definition under certain hypotheses. in general it's just some random matrix operation.
i understand your confusion but some of it is in the setup of the problem. "T is normal but [T]_b is not." well, that's implicitly two different adjoints there. not surprising that they don't give the same thing.
maybe our pal sheldon was on to something when he nearly banished matrices from linear algebra. at least, you wouldn't run into this.
 
10:06 PM
@TedShifrin only thing that comes to mind is when the matrix is diagonal, but that's because I can't picture anything else.
@leslietownes I did not consider this.....but now that you point it out, it makes sense. Since matrices are their own linear transformations and us associating a linear transformation $T$ to a matrix representation is going to be some sort of isomorphism...
 
meditate on why you'd expect the operator adjoint to be given by the box of numbers thing. this is another variation of ted's question.
 
it also explains throughout the text why Insel and co have been stressing $T$ and the matrix of $T$ separately...
@leslietownes I'm not sure I see what I should "expect" but the only notion that comes to mind is that the coefficients of each column are the scalars for the linear combination of basis vectors used to write out each adjoint operator being applied to a basis vector......
 
i guess i've signaled one way of sorting it out. in my world it's unnatural to think of matrix conjugate transpose as an "adjoint" operation. because we use matrices for so many purposes. the matrix op is a box of numbers thing that might or might not be the adjoint.
of course if you open a book on C* algebras people will, indeed, introduce tons of examples in matrix algebras where it's the involution, and maybe not even say that they are implicitly defining that as their involution. i can't fix america.
the new mountain lions at the OC zoo are really cute.
 
So my equation above defines self-adjoint, but I specifically avoided using that word to focus on symmetry.
 
10:24 PM
I just seen that part after actually applying the idea of self adjoint
oh... so the matrix of a symmetric linear map is a symmetric matrix when the linear map equals its adjoint.
 
THE matrix?
Before Leslie flips out, I’m working over $\Bbb R$ here.
 
10:41 PM
Even though I had read it, it has not fully taken, but the matrix of a symmetric linear map will be symmetric if the basis I use to write the matrix is orthonormal.
 
True. You can generalize somewhat.
Now prove/understand it.
 
i've come to terms with the fact that people work over R
 
We can do finite characteristic later.
 
let's just do characteristic 2. you know, the easy case.
 
whats easiest way to show $\sqrt{-5}\in \mathbb{Q}(\zeta_{5})$?
 
10:44 PM
Yeah, so easy.
What is the real part of $\zeta_5$?
 
this is even in euclid, i think.
somewhat different notation, of course.
 
Construct the regular pentagon with compass and straightedge!
Fun stuff.
 
@TedShifrin No, thank you.
 
So with regards to the question I posted, why did the inner product operation the author used in the solution prove normality?
 
Once was enough.
 
10:53 PM
I suppose I should nourish myself before falling into the trap of obsessing over this stuff
 
I find that unreadable.
 
the solution I posted?
 
We’re missing some stuff, it seems. Yes.
Where did they get $T^*$ the identity?
 
@TedShifrin lol...refer to my question 1)...
glad to know I'm not losing my mind when I ask myself these questions
I really shouldn't, but I think I'm going to get some Momos (Tibeten delicacy). Be back in 30 mins. to rack my mind. Then later on to work on showing the cross product of compact sets is compact... :)
 
The map is standard $\pi/2$ rotation if we’re using standard coordinates.
 
10:57 PM
what would be the motivation behind choosing that?
when I attempted it. I made two arbitrary matrices that I tried to get to not be normal, then extracted their linear maps. Of course this is wrong now that I have talked abut these ideas but that was my first attempt
feels so esoteric finding a map.
 
it's good to have a toolkit of example families so you don't just have to impose complicated relations on lots of matrix entries.
 
learning that more and more to have handy
 
rotation matrices are part of the toolkit. diagonal matrices (not super helpful here :)) are another.
of course it's not the only example. your approach could have worked but it probably just began looking so ugly that it looked wrong even if it wasn't.
 
I don’t see the issue. What you posted is crap. But understanding a symmetric map even in an orthogonal basis (with different lengths) destroys symmetry immediately.
 
11:15 PM
I see what you're saying Ted....I have to get out of the tendency of thinking I could produce everything without writing it down.....a simple application of the definition of the adjoint had me find $T^*$. Just have to improve on having a stock of examples.
 

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