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10:00 PM
Ah no that's stronger
Well wait, what does a split exact sequence of groups mean to you? Groups are not an abelian category
 
I have not, but may as well ask
 
I'm not sure; that's what I am asking about.
 
@Balarka do you know a non-cancellative f.g. module over a commutative ring
 
@Balarka Yesterday me and Thorgott where thinking about the cancellation property for modules. An $R$-module $B$ has the cancellation property if for all $R$-modules $C$ and $D$, $B\oplus C\cong B\oplus D$ implies $C\cong D$. What is an example of a f.g. $B$ without the cancellation property?
Apparently $R$ must be pretty ugly. What was the result you found @Thorgott? $R$ can't be a Dedekind domain, right?
 
yeah, that was it
 
10:04 PM
(if we drop the f.g. of course it's easy because $R^\omega$ absorbs finite powers of $R$)
 
$1 \to H \to G \to K \to 1$ is an exact sequence if the map from $H$ to $G$ is injective, the map from $G$ to $K$ is surjective, and the image of the first map is the kernel of the second map.
 
and if we drop commutativity, any ring without IBN gives an example
 
From what I recall, the sequence splits if there is a map going back from $K$ to $G$ satisfying some condition, but I don't recall the condition.
 
The composition is the identity on $K$ is the condition
 
Ah, okay.
Thanks!
 
10:07 PM
You need rings over which there are non-free projective modules first of all
Nevermind
Wait but there are such examples
$TS^2 \oplus \Bbb R \cong \Bbb R^2 \oplus \Bbb R$
Pass to modules over $C^\infty(S^2)$ using Serre-Swan
 
Wait I'm confused half of those things are not bundles over $S^2$
But I like going for a Serre-Swan trick
 
When I say $\Bbb R^n$ I mean the trivial bundle of rank $n$ over $S^2$
 
Oh ok sorry
Yeah that should work then
 
Nuked
 
No I like that approach
Very neat
 
10:15 PM
Is something interesting here
 
Murdering algebraists, yes
 
I do feel murdered
 
Balarka is turning into a noncommutative geometer
 
should do anabelian geometry instead
 
There should be a purely algebraic translation. Look at the ring $R = \Bbb R[x, y, z]/(x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - 1)$, consider the kernel $K$ of $R^3 \to R$, $(a, b, c) \to ax + by + cz$
Then $K \oplus R \cong R^2 \oplus R$
This is because you have a short exact sequence $0 \to K \to R^3 \to R \to 0$, and the last term is free
SES where the last term is free splits
The only difficult is to prove $K$ is not free, but this is manageable.
This is that thing
What do you call it
Fucking hell I knew this very well
 
10:25 PM
I think the geometric picture was nicer
 
That needs to go on the starboard. Alessandro liked something geometric.
 
Ah yeah
Finding a unimodular row
 
Oh but I will often prefer the geometric argument over doing the algebraic version of the same argument
 
Look up Bass stable range
 
My main complaint with the AG course I took was that is was 99% algebra and 1% geometry
 
10:30 PM
That often happens with algebraic algebraic geometers :(
 
Here's the algebraic problem. You're given a vector $(v_1, \cdots, v_n) \in R^n$ such that there exists $u_1, \cdots, u_n \in R$ such that $\sum u_i v_i = 1$
Is $(v_1, \cdots, v_n)$ the first row of a matrix in $M_n(R)$ with determinant $1$?
 
yeah, I'd also be annoyed at that 1% geometry
 
The above example is a negative answer; $(x, y, z)$ satisfies the criterion, but suppose it was part of a matrix with determinant $1$. The other two rows can be chosen to be orthogonal to $(x, y, z)$ (because say $(a, b, c)$ is another row, then $ax + by + cz = k \in R^\times$, then $(a - kx)x + (b - ky)y + (c - kz)z = 0$ and this new vector $(a - kx, b - ky, c - kz)$ is nonzero by det = 1 condition)
But that would give us a basis of $K$
Note how this is true if $R$ is a PID or whatever
Just reverse this argument; suppose $K \cong R^2$. Choose a basis $(a, b, c)$, $(u, v, w)$ for $K$ and consider the determinant of $(x, y, z|a, b, c|u, v, w)$ which lands in $R^\times$. Elements of $R$ are functions on the sphere $S^2$, so evaluating this determinant at points on $S^2$ says the determinant is nonvanishing and in particular $(a, b, c)$ is a nowhere vanishing tangent vector field on $S^2$
Contradicting hairy ball
A sequence of elements in a commutative ring $R$ which generates the unit ideal is called a unimodular row, and the question of when it is the first row of some matrix of unit determinant is called completability
The classical phrasing of Serre's conjecture (proved by Quillen and Suslin) was if every unimodular row in a polynomial ring is completable
Fields medal work
 
10:56 PM
what on earth is this
 
Very classical algebraic K-theory
In a ring where every unimodular row is completable, the first K-group vanishes
 
 
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