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12:04 AM
So I've just realized
Since they're the same distance from the origin, they're essentially THE same
 
The centralizer is a Galois correspondence with itself :o
@MatheinBoulomenos
 
 
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1:23 AM
In the document services.math.duke.edu/dumu/mathmeet/prob/2012_Individual.pdf, it states "The sum of their volumes is the volume of the pyramid; hence 4rA/3 = hA/3, where h is the height of the pyramid. Hence r = h/4.", for Problem #6.
I know that the volume for a pyramid is 1/3*b*h, and the height is the radius of the sphere, and b is area of the base. But why does it state that 4rA/3=hA/3? Where does that relationship come from?
@LeakyNun Any ideas please?
 
4rA/3 is the total volume of the 4 tiny tetrahedrons
hA/3 is the volume of the big tetrahedron
b=A
 
Oh, I see: 4(rA/3) is the total volume
nice, I see!
Thanks @LeakyNun I appreciate the help
 
WOW
AMAZING
This is the greatest video I have seen this year
 
1:50 AM
@BalarkaSen amazing
 
2:07 AM
@BalarkaSen this is so chilling
 
Yeah that's the video that was trending on my feed
I know the Cicada 3301 story though
It's an old conspiracy theory
Their book is loads of nonsense lol
 
2:41 AM
@MatheinBoulomenos hi
 
@LeakyNun hi
 
3 hours ago, by Leaky Nun
The centralizer is a Galois correspondence with itself :o
@MatheinBoulomenos so your name basically means "one who wishes to learn"?
 
yeah
this reminds me of the double centralizer theorem
if $A$ is a finite-dimensional central simple algebra over a field $K$ and $B$ is a simple subalgebra, then $C_A(C_A B)= B$
 
how do we not know whether $1.5^n \pmod 1$ is dense in $[0,1]$
impossible
 
this is just $0.5^n \pmod{1}$. How do you approximate $0.6$? powers of $0.5$ are only smaller
it works if you take powers of an irrational number
 
2:52 AM
no, that is wrong
 
(there was some pigeonhole argument for that iirc)
 
$1.5^n \ne 0.5^n$
the density of $1.5^n$ is open
 
$1.5^3 = 3.375$
$0.5^3 = 0.125$
we do not know whether $1.5^n \pmod 1$ is dense in $[0,1]$
 
oh okay
 
2:55 AM
$1.5^n = \displaystyle \sum_{r=0}^n \binom n r 0.5^r$
is $1.5^{2^n}$ dense?
whatever
@MatheinBoulomenos is there an explanation why Mobius transformations preserve circles, using the fact that they are linear maps on C^2?
 
they don't have to preserve circles, they might send them to lines
 
@MatheinBoulomenos circles, as in, circles in CP1
 
3:29 AM
Can a polynomial $f$ be $f:\Bbb R\to \Bbb R$ and also have non-real complex coefficients?
 
@Silent no. a polynomial of degree $n$ is uniquely determined by $f(0), \cdots, f(n)$
and you get a system of linear equations, so you always get a real polynomial
and real polynomials have extensionality (two polynomials are equal iff their coefficients are equal) because $\Bbb R$ is infinite
many people will overlook the importance of the last sentence
 
@LeakyNun So, an example of polynomial which does not have extensionality would be $x^2+2x+1=x^2+1$ over $\Bbb Z/2\Bbb Z$? But I think this should not be considered as violation of extensionality as 2=0 in $\Bbb Z/2\Bbb Z$.
 
@Silent indeed that is the wrong counter-example
a correct counter-example would be $x^2 + x$ and $0$
 
thank you very much
 
4:08 AM
Hey everyone, is every exact sequence a complex? It seems like it is, since the composition of any two successive maps is 0
 
yes
 
4:46 AM
If $(f_n)$ is nonegative measurable sequence, why must its infinite sum $\sum f_n$ converge?
eh it must be because sup_n f_n exists
 
5:05 AM
Yo @Mathein!
 
Yo @Daminark
 
How's it going?
 
Pretty good, thanks
and for you?
My family says I'm wrong when I say that a tree has the root at the top and the leaves at the bottom and that a tree is just a connected forest
 
Lmao, that's odd
Oh
They're thinking of trees like
The green ones
 
colorings of trees are not that interesting, they're bipartite, so always 2-colorable
 
5:11 AM
This is true
 
 
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6:29 AM
I have this true or false:
Let ${a_n} \to a$ and ${b_n} \to b$ in $\Bbb R$. If $a_n\le b$ and $b_n \le a$ for infinitely many $n \in \Bbb N$ then $a = b$.
I think it is correct, because $a_n-b_n\le b-a$, but for 'those' infinitely many $n$s, we see $a_n-b_n\to a-b$, hence $a-b\le b-a$. Similarly, $b-a\le a-b$.
Will this hold even after some modification: Let ${a_n} \to a$ and ${b_n} \to b$ in $\Bbb R$. If $a_m\le b$ and $b_n \le a$ for infinitely many $m\in \Bbb N$ and $n \in \Bbb N$ respectively, then $a = b$. ??
 
@Silent That modification does not change the statement.
 
@TobiasKildetoft but now eg, $a_1\le b$ and $b_1>a$ is possible
So, i can't use previous proof
 
ahh, right
 
Zee
7:00 AM
Hello
 
Hi, I have some function $f: \Bbb R^2 \to \Bbb R$ which I want to maximize on a compact set $K$. How would I do this in general?
If I can show that $K$ is a submanifold, then I can use lagrange multipliers, right?
With lagrange multipliers I would determine all candidates for local extrema and then compute the hessian of the lagrange function to determine if the candidates are a local max/min/saddle point or neither
I have a concrete example where $f$ attains a local maximum at a point according to Mathematica and the plot, but if I compute the hessian for it I get that it his indefinite...
The hessian should be positive definite, no?
I'm trying to find the mistake in my calculations but can't find it. Does anybody want to help?
 
7:21 AM
@philmcole I'm confused. If $M$ is a submanifold of $\Bbb R^2$ locally given at that point $\mathbf{a}$ by $g(x, y) = c$ say, then according to what you say, $f$ attains a local minimum at $\mathbf{a}$ with respect to the constraint $g(x, y) = c$. $\mathbf{a}$ not a local minimum of $f$ as a function of $\Bbb R^2$ on the whole.
So how is the Hessian test valid?
 
I'm taking the Hessian of the Langrange function.
 
So the bordered Hessian? That's always indefinite.
 
What does bordered mean?
We have a theorem in the text which says approximately "if the Hessian of the Lagrange function at a candidate point obtained through Lagrange multipliers is positive definite then this is a local maximum, negative definite -> local minimum, indefinite -> saddle point"
I know its not the Hessian of the function $f$ I want to maximize like if $K$ was an open set
 
The Lagrange function is $F(x, y, \lambda) = f(x, y) + \lambda(g(x, y) - c)$. The Hessian of this guy at $\mathbf{a}$ is the block matrix $[A, B; C, 0]$ where $A$ is the $2\times 2$ matrix $Hf(\mathbf{a}) - \lambda Hg(\mathbf{a})$, $B$ is the $2 \times 1$ vector $\nabla g(\mathbf{a})$ and $C$ is the $1 \times 2$ vector $\nabla f(\mathbf{a})$.
That's the bordered Hessian.
@philmcole I don't see how this is true. The matrix has a $0$ at the lower-right corner, which forces the Hessian matrix to have kernel (as a quadratic form)
 
The theorem I refer to talks about the quadratic form associated with the lagrange function being positive/negative/in-definite. I assumed that I can just check the Hessian of the lagrange function like we did when we worked with open sets, where we just checked the Hessian of $f$. Maybe this is wrong?
Wiki says that I need to check the determinant of the bordered hessian now.
For my example this would fit (the bordered hessian has positive determinant and the point is a local maximum)
 
7:33 AM
I looked up wiki. It seems to verify what I said; the bordered Hessian is indefinite.
 
yeah I read it too
 
The constrained second derivative test is more complicated than testing for it's +ve or -ve definiteness.
 
In the theorems we always had a statement about the quadratic form being +ve/-ve definite.
In practice we just checked if the hessian matrix was +ve/-ve definite
This seems to not work here anymore then
I wonder why it's suddenly different though...
 
Anonymous
8:22 AM
Hi. I was facing some problem with notation. What does $C[a,b]$ mean? Does it refer to functions which are continuous in $[a,b]$? But does that mean it is not defined outside of $[a,b]$?
 
functions that are cont on [a.b]
 
Anonymous
@Hawk Thanks. And could you answer the second part of the question?
 
Anonymous
Are such functions considered to be defined outside of [a,b]?
 
what?
i mean u can have $f = x$, thats defined everywhere, but $f = x \in C[a,b]$
so I don't know what ua re asking
 
Anonymous
@Hawk Okay, that is what I was asking
 
Anonymous
8:25 AM
Thank you
 
9:49 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti Hi. It's Tuesday, so that means once again a Ragú (did I use the right accent?) on the simmer.
 
@TobiasKildetoft hi
 
@LeakyNun Hi
 
10 hours ago, by Leaky Nun
The centralizer is a Galois correspondence with itself :o
 
10:06 AM
Are there noncommutative rings in which the set of nilpotent elements forms an additive subgroup?
Well, I just realized that division rings like $\Bbb H$ satisfy my question the way I've asked it. What I'm really looking for is a case where $a,b$ are nilpotent, $a + b$ is nilpotent, but $ab \neq ba$.
 
@TobiasKildetoft do you make it every Tuesday? (It's the other accent, but I don't think anyone would notice)
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Yeah. I work from home on Tuesdays, so I take the opportunity to make it since otherwise I would not be able to let it simmer for long enough.
 
10:22 AM
[Random]
What is the most self referential named mathematical object
it does not exi-
::dies::
 
 
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11:55 AM
[Random]
Layer 0
Layer 1
Layer 2
...
Layer $\omega$
(the rest are boring)
Now...
there's actually one more layer:
Layer -1
Reality is Layer 0
Dreams are Layers n , n >0
I will let you figure out what Layer -1 is
What if... there's a dream, that is mundane
and that the reality
is fantasy itself
Reality is that what is exist does not exist, for it dies, not exist and not it does, exists
The unreality is a construct, a replica and not even the Original
Consider the following:
Given an object $X$ and a noninjective map $Z$ we have $ZX$ but we cannot recover $X$. What if $Z$ maps probablistically to different values of its image. For example:
$$ \sum_{a}Pr(ZX = a) = 1$$
or maybe even:
$$\int_A Pr (ZX = a) = 1$$
4
Q: What is a probabilistic function and where can I learn more about them?

KristinI am reading a paper on privacy that says we can model something as an arbitrary probabilistic function from $X^M \to X^M$. I'm trying to figure out what exactly that means. I saw another paper that defined a probabilistic function as a function $\mathcal{F}:X \times Y \to [0, 1]$ that satisfie...

for example
 
12:23 PM
I simply don't like you to not answer my question tbh. The fact that Revolution happens is a testament of that
(the above setence is out of context because it is dislocated in space and time)
we should consider to resume the Retargeting
but we will not do so until it is time
We need a sniper, yes a sniper precision
That will be enough to send the warning through the ranks...
All we can do now is wait for leftdagger's reply...
 
message from the future: That is posted repeatedly not because it is interesting, but because it is unanswered, but that is not even a question, because otherwise it will be obvious
NB: That message that this future message referred to has not appeared yet
As always, math chat is a shadow of what should be happening on this instability known as the h bar
messages are delocalised in space and time, just to add to the obfusication
(and f888 I spelt that wrong)
 
12:39 PM
To be or not to be, that is the question.
 
It is perhaps the easiest question, for to not be and end your life, you don't stop the evil. But to be, there is a chance on a near measure zero set that you will stop them
The practicalities then resides on how to integrate this infintesimal nothingness such that they join together into a unity and hence bring the stop to all despair
$$\int P(X)dX = 1$$
in The h Bar, 3 mins ago, by Future Historian
So, what if I told you in 2020, RIP Sol System?
2020 is the Promised Year
 
12:58 PM
Why is adjugate matrix of a $1\times 1$ matrix is $I=[1]$?
 
1:39 PM
@Semiclassical Do you know why?
 
You want adjugate(A).A = identity * det(A)
But det(A)=A for scalar A
 
2:21 PM
Thank you very much.
 
3:05 PM
I have this question:
The dimension of the vector subspace $W$ of $M_2(\Bbb C)$ given by
$W = \left\{\begin{pmatrix}a&b\\c&d\\ \end{pmatrix}: a, b, c, d\in\Bbb C, a + b = c, b + c = d, c + a = d\right\}$ is equal to ....
I took this approach: we see that $a=b$, and $c=2a$ and $d=3a$, so, $W$ consists of matrices $\begin{pmatrix}a&a\\2a&3a\\ \end{pmatrix}$, hence dimension is 1. Am I right?
@Daminark, will you please check the above thing?
 
3:45 PM
Here is a corollary that appears in my Algebra book: An $A$-module is finitely generated if and only if it is a quotient module $A^n$ for some integer $n$...What exactly is this saying? The statement seems incomplete. Is it saying that $M$ is a finitely generated module if and only if $M$ is isomorphic to $N/A^n$ for some module $N$ and some natural number $n$?
 
$M$ is isomorphic to a quotient of $A^n$ (by some submodule)
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Oh, so it should be $A^n/N$ instead?
 
Thanks!
 
4:01 PM
hello!!!
 
Hey
 
(@BalarkaSen late hello)
 
Hi @Balarka
 
Hey hey
 
4:27 PM
I got a new book
hardcover
The Joys of Haar Measure
by Joe Diestel and Angela Spalsbury
It's good so far
:D
I got it new off Amazon, and the first thing, my dog gets his muddy nose on the page edge
edges
nobody cares -__-
 
rekt
That is pretty unfortunate, though. I feel for you.
 
No, it doen't matter, I'm pretty dirty in general
^_^
 
wow, there's another diestel?
 
Yeah, no, he came from the mud
Like an orc in LOTR
 
Who buys a math textbook?
Answer: Only nerds do
 
4:37 PM
Oh, I thought you were joking because they're a lot of times freely available
but I checked, this one isn't unless you risk one of those weird download sites that make you register
 
You're right, only capitalist bourgeoisie nerds buys math textbooks
 
I got paid
now I have no money
hos, drugs, and math books
 
Sounds like an enemy of the class
 
libgen.... is good
 
Marx debunked money yeeeeaaaars ago
Libgen is the true patrician bookstore
 
4:39 PM
every textbook I've ever read was written by the universe as an act of pure and unadulterated coincidence
 
it might be the best website on the internet
 
You can't beat already being printed though, and to hold it and sit any where you'd like
And you can put it on your book shelf
 
yeah physical copies are good
I like writing in my books too
 
only to nerds
rekt
 
Let $X$ be some metric space and $A$ some subset. Does $$\mu(A) = \inf \{\sum_{k=1}^\infty diam(U_k) \mid \{U_k\}_{k=1}^\infty \mbox{ is an open cover of } A\}$$ define a measure on $X$?
 
4:41 PM
Why buy textbooks when you can just buy Humble Bundles instead
 
Yes
That almost looks like Lebesgue measure
on a general space
but do you really want countable covers there ?
 
@EnjoysMath That was my inspiration.
If I don't use countable covers, would sum even make sense?
 
Clearly $\mu(A) \leq \lambda(A)$ and $\lambda(A) \leq \mu(A)$ I think I can prove that
so that maybe you're equal to Lebesgue here
 
on $\Bbb R^n$ you mean?
 
This will equal the Lebesgue measure when $X=\Bbb{R}^n$.
But I am taking $X$ to be an arbitrary metric space.
 
4:47 PM
OH NVM you used diam instead of vol
 
B, B, B- so far this last semester, I'm confident the 4th class will be B or above. :)
would prefer ALL A+ but whatever
 
@AlessandroCodenotti No, I am taking $X$ to be an arbitrary metric space. I am wondering if the function I defined above defines a measure on $X$.
 
It defines an outer measure at best (even on $\Bbb R^n$)
 
all the proofs im finding for $|\mathcal P (\mathbb N)| = |\mathbb R|$ are using the existence of a $n$-ary representation of a number. Is there a way to prove that without invoking such a thing?
the existence of an $n$ary representation is a very strong theorem and I'd prefer a proof that doesn't need to rely on such heavy machinery. Unless there is no such proof otherwise
 
5:06 PM
You don't really need the unique representations. You know that $\mathcal{P}(\mathbb{N}) = 2^\mathbb{N}$, and this is just sequences of 0's and ones. You can probably adapt the proof from there
or maybe not
I don't actually know set stuff
I guess part of the problem is how you actually define $\mathbb{R}$
is it cauchy sequences?
 
You can use $\mathcal{P}(\Bbb N)=10^\Bbb N$ and use the decimal expansion if you're more comfortable assuming its existence over the binary one
 
I think my least favorite part of that proof is having to deal with non-uniqueness of expansions.
I know it's minor, but it bugs me either way.
 
are binary expansions unique
Sam I'm just going through the prologue of Folland's Analysis book and he just says "here's review or whatever of the concepts and notation you need for this book, I'm gonna go fastish because it's not the point of the book"
so he's just reviewing cardinality proofs
 
@GFauxPas almost
 
almost in the same sense that decimal expansions are, you mean?
 
5:21 PM
yeah
some numbers have two, a repeating one and a terminating one
 
Actually I guess you don't need almost-uniqueness for the proof
here's the key cleam he's usoing
claim
 
you need to say that the set of numbers with multiple expansions is countable at some point so that you can ignore it
 
The following function, he claims, is surjective
$g: \mathcal P(\mathbb Z) \to \mathbb R$,
$g(A) = \begin{cases} \displaystyle \log \sum_{n \in A} 2^{-n} & \text{if $A$ is bounded below} \\ 0 & \text{otherwise} \end{cases}$
so why is it surjective
 
5:46 PM
I have this question:
The dimension of the vector subspace $W$ of $M_2(\Bbb C)$ given by
$W = \left\{\begin{pmatrix}a&b\\c&d\\ \end{pmatrix}: a, b, c, d\in\Bbb C, a + b = c, b + c = d, c + a = d\right\}$ is equal to ....
I took this approach: we see that $a=b$, and $c=2a$ and $d=3a$, so, $W$ consists of matrices $\begin{pmatrix}a&a\\2a&3a\\ \end{pmatrix}$, hence dimension is 1. Am I right?
 
6:01 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti, will you please check this?
 
@silent the dimension of that space is 1 if one row (or column) is a scalar multiple of the other row(column)
is that the case
 
I tried a million times to learn real analysis on my own but nothing stuck with me until I took a course
I'm really algebraically minded though
 
another way: it's full rank iff the determinant is not $0$
and I'm assuming $a \ne 0$ so the dimension is either 1 or it's full rank
do you know the shortcut for the determinant of a 2x2?
 
ad-bc?
 
yuppo
 
6:07 PM
@GFauxPas I think you are confusing subspace $W$ with column space of some 2 by 2 matrix
 
oh maybe I misread the question, let's see
ah yes I'm sorry I read it too quickly
$W = \operatorname{span} \left({\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 \\ 2 & 3 \end{bmatrix}}\right)$
I apologize for carelessness
 
oh, it happens! Thanks for helping me! So, dimension of $W$ is 1, right?
 
yup, because it's generated by 1 element
 
Also, can you please help me with this: Consider the real sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$ such that $\sum a_nb_n$ converges. If $a_n$ is unbounded then $b_n$ is bounded. Is this statement true?
@GFauxPas
 
so you have that $\limsup|a_n| = +\infty$ and $\lim a_n b_n = 0$ hmm
 
6:19 PM
Wow!
 
i can think of a counterexample
I didn't say anything other than rewrite the question lol
remember $\limsup |a_n| = +\infty$ is not the same as $\lim a_n = +\infty$
 
i was amazed by that lim sup thing. Never saw unbounded sequence this way!
@GFauxPas yes, thanks for reminding
 
yes I think you can make an example where you space out zeros in $a_n$ and $b_n$ so that by themselves theyre unbounded but when you multiply them you only get 0s
tbh im not 100% right now so my thinking maybe off
 
$0,1,0,2,0,3,...$ and $1,0,2,0,3,0,...$
@GFauxPas, is this correct?
 
yeah something like that, but you want it to be unbounded below also
 
6:31 PM
Why so?
 
i forgot whether "$a_n$ is unbounded" implies unbounded both ways or not
I dont remember
 
7:02 PM
In the complex plane, If I want to transform the disc $|z-i| \leq 2$ into the unit disc... if I have to move it downwards which would be make $z \to z-i$ right?
That is the step to center it at the origin, right?
It would be $z \to \dfrac{(z-i)}{2}$.
 
hi, im trying to find an injection from $P(\Bbb N) $ to $P(\Bbb N) - P_{fin}(\Bbb N)$ where $P_{fin}(\Bbb N)$ are the finite subset of $\Bbb N$, someone can help?
 
7:30 PM
hey @Semi, do you happen to have a source where they explain why the spin of a 2-particle system is $s_1+s_2,\dots,\vert s_1-s_2\vert$, where $s_1$ and $s_2$ are the spins of the separate particles? I'm able to work it out for simple numbers, but Griffiths refers to a text for the general proof that I cannot find online. I would just like to see somewhat of a more abstract argument (I don't necessarily need a proof)
 
Eisberg and Resnick, maybe
Shankar probably also has it, with the treatment there being the more abstract of the two
 
right thanks, I'll see if I can find it
 
8:12 PM
Is the ring of integers the only initial object in the category of rings? I've only found the statement that it is "an" initial object.
 
initial objects are unique up to unique isomorphism
 
oh right i see
that makes sense, thanks!Q
 
@Ted!
 
8:31 PM
If $M$ and $N$ are modules, and $f : M \to N$ is a module homomorphism, what exactly is the canonical projection of $M$ onto the cokernel? What is it defined?
Surely it isn't $\pi : M \to N/f(M)$ defined by $\pi(m) = \overline{f(m)}$, as that would be the $0$ map.
So what else could it be?
 
@user193319 maybe they mean coimage instead of cokernel
 
I don't think so. The coimage hasn't been discussed yet. This is the book I'm working with (see page 270 of pdf, lemma 7.7.47)
 
it's not projection of $M$
it's projection of $N$
 
Oh, of course! Thanks!
 
8:57 PM
@LeakyNun Okay. Referring to the same book and section, it says "Given a six term exact sequence $$0 \rightarrow K' \rightarrow M \stackrel{f}{\rightarrow} N \rightarrow C' \rightarrow 0$$ $f$ is injective iff $K'=0$ and surjective iff $C'=0$. My question is, how is that sequence well-defined if only one function is involved in the sequence?
 
@user193319 they didn't name the other functions
just like you won't name the function coming out of 0 and going to 0
if you had to name them, they would be called 0
 
$K'$ is the kernel, $C'$ is the cokernel, the map $K'\rightarrow M$ is inclusion, $N\rightarrow C'$ is the quotient map
 

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