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Hm. What's $\det\begin{bmatrix}1&x&x^2\\1&y&y^2\\1&z&z^2\end{bmatrix}$?
I always think it's interesting to think about how different people process similar things @Mike
$yz^2-zy^2-xz^2+xy^2+x^2z-x^2y$, I think
Here in red what I'm looking for i.sstatic.net/Zoqrl.png
In linear algebra, a Vandermonde matrix, named after Alexandre-Théophile Vandermonde, is a matrix with the terms of a geometric progression in each row, i.e., an m × n matrix V = [ 1 α 1 α 1 ...
22:03
…Oh.
Well, then.
So it's $(x-y)(y-z)(x-z)$?
For instance I actually prefer to think about sectional curvature than the Riemann curvature tensor even though they present the same data
Tbf the Riemannian curvature tensor is a complete monster
by that I remember that I still haven't learnt riemannian curvature...
Up to a possible sign, though it hardly matters @AkivaWeinberger
22:05
But similarly for Ric, I prefer to think of Ric(v,v)
I think Gromov actually has a paper where he called it the "multilinear monster" or something
3 many different types of curvature 5 me
So that's the answer, then.
It is indeed
@Eric Gromov: "Nobody understands Riemannian curvature, eh" [insert Russian accent]
22:05
$(1,x,\dots,x^{n-1})$ is a function from $\Bbb R$ to $\Bbb R^n$ such that any $n$ distinct points on it are linearly independant.
@SteamyRoot was this link for me ?.
(yeah, that's his actual quote)
It wasn't, no.
I also think about $\text{Ric}$ this way but that might be because Neves tends to write this way
lmao @Balarka
I hate how many people "define" the Riemann curvature tensor as $R(X,Y)Z = \nabla_X\nabla_Y - \nabla_Y\nabla_X - \nabla_{[X,Y]}Z$ :/
22:06
I actually cannot understand Gromov's english
I also don't like the infinitisimal parallel transport description for justifying that formula
Is this like the Gaussian curvature but different
why is that bad @Steamy
Ok thank you @SteamyRoot that said , do you have any clue how to calculate the length?..
I find $R(X,Y) = \nabla^2_{X,Y} - \nabla^2_{Y,X}$ or $R(X,Y) = [\nabla_X,\nabla_Y] - \nabla_{[X,Y]}$ more enlightening
22:08
extreme meh
Gaussian curvature is the sectional curvature of a surface @Akiva. Sectional curvature tells you the curvature of a "2 dim slice" of a higher dim manifold
obviously the problem is that curvature is just $d_{LC}^2$
So Riemannian curvature generalizes it to arbitrary dimension?
@MarcRosenfeld Well, not really, I'm afraid
22:08
(And possibly is more intrinsic or something I dunno)
@Akiva Yeah, it like captures the Gaussian curvature of "all 2 dim slices" of the manifold
And the Riemann curvature tensor is like the big daddy tensor that contains all the curvature data
Ok, thank you for your attention anyway: ) @SteamyRoot
Oh, it's not even a number, it's a tensor
22:10
I mean sectional curvatures determine everything so you can sometimes jut think about those
@Mike what is $d^{2}_{LC}$?
Is it possible to give a number to the curvature of a 3D manifold?
Or maybe only certain types of 3D manifold
there's scalar curvature
it's the d^2 of the bundle valued de Rham complex
I've heard of "constant -1 curvature" when describing knot complements
for LC connection on the bundle
22:11
(which is tensorial hence given by an End(E)-valued 2-form)
Or, like, a knot is hyperbolic if you could give its complement that curvature
You can define loads of curvatures. Not all are useful, though.
(And then you compute its volume and get a brand new knot invariant)
@AkivaWeinberger Sectional curvature associates a number to every tangent 2-plane. We can totally say "constant sectional curbsture".
(called the hyperbolic volume)
22:12
Usually when I've heard people say constant curvature they mean that the sectional curvatures are all a constant
OK.
I guess I can think of it as "quotient of $\Bbb H^3$" anyway
I guess they could also mean scalar curvature depending on the context, that strikes me as the "simplest" of the big curvatures people talk about in beginning Riemannian stuff
You can study constant scalar curvature things but those are much less constrained. Every closed manifold has a constant -1 scalar curvature metric except S^1, S^2, RP^2, T^2, K^2
right Neves mentioned this to me at some point
22:14
Hm, if you give the $n$-genus torus a constant curvature of -1, what's its volume, I wonder?
If it's uniquely defined
People study csc hypersurfaces, say
It's not.
Volume is uniquely defined for hyperbolic manifolds.
The torus is not one
He means Sigma_n
sectional =/= scalar
Oh. Also not well-defined. Sorry.
You only start getting uniqueness in dimension 3.
isn't it? can't you just do the Gauss-Bonnet?
22:15
Aw. :(
K dA is the canonical volume form, or not?
@BalarkaSen oops yeah lol.
I asked him if there were similar analogues to how we could get all these nice constraints from looking at bounds on Ricci for the other curvatures, and he remarked to me that the theorems you get from restricting scalar don't determine as much
Oh, forgot about that
I'm a fraud
22:16
So that's like $2\pi$ times the Euler characteristic or something, right? @BalarkaSen
wee i remember epsilon > 0 from Ted's notes
@EricSilva Not quite... you get lots of stuff for psc metrics on spin manifolds
(Tau: 1, pi: 0)
Ah he did specifically tell me it's important and interesting when you look at spin stuff
@AkivaWeinberger Yeah
22:17
From very similar arguments as the Betti number bounds for Ricci geq 0. You prove that psc implies no harmonic spinors
In particular automatic vanishing of 3- and 4-dim SW invariants
Isn't it nontrivial that every hyperbolic 3-fold is a quotient of H^3? I guess you make the pi_1 act on H^3 by Milnor-Svarc and then nuke it because hyperbolic 3-manifolds are classified by fundamental groups (???) by geometrization (???) or something
What do you think hyperbolic 3-manifold means
oh cool cool
@BalarkaSen If you take the universal cover you have to get something
Is that not $\Bbb H^3$?
I've heard the word spin so much this quarter i can't wait to find out what it actually means :P
22:19
@EricSilva It's just a tiny little bit of extra structure on the tengent bundle
3epsilon more than an orientation
maybe sqrt(epsilon)
@MikeMiller hmm, how about a 3-manifold which admits a Riemannian metric so that it's a constant -1 sectional curvature?
[goes to look in wikipedia]
I mean like I've seen the definition of spin structure, but what I meant by finding out what it actually means I mean viscerally by doing problems so that the definition isnt just words
Complete metric but yes... then classification of complete sc constant curvature manifolds
Ah ok cool
@EricSilva Like much differential geometry it starts with linear algebra
22:21
Like I said before, though, shouldn't taking the universal cover give you H^3? Meaning it's a quotient of H^3.
Specifically the reason we like spin structures is it lets us make a bundle of spinors
@AkivaWeinberger Well there's a lot of simply connected 3-manifolds
how do you know it's not S^3?
@BalarkaSen It has constant curvature -1?
That doesn't have the right curvature
Oh right. I still have to classify simply connected constant curvature maniflds, though?
22:23
I wasn't trying to claim I'm unsure how to prove this above. Like Akiva says you just pass to the universal cover and use the classification of complete simply conn
Yes. That's covered in every first differential geometry course. You'll do it soonish :)
@EricSilva Are you aware of Kazdan-Warner's results?
@BalarkaSen I feel like, if you prove that epsilon-balls in your thing "look like" epsilon-balls in H^3, you could use simple connectedness to show that your thing is H^3
@Mike nope
I don't know how to prove any of this, though
But, like, by patching together the balls or something
Yeah I'm extremely doubtful
Patching together isometries, dawg?
Is that not a doable thing?
22:26
Hmm.
I'm not buying that you can turn this into a proof.
1) Let $\Sigma$ be a closed surface and $f$ a smooth function. Then there is a metric with curvature f iff it fits with Gauss-Bonnet: It has to be somewhere positive if it's a sphere, everywhere zero or somewhere pos and somewhere
if it's a torus
etc
@MikeMiller Yeah, I guess I'm just going by my intuition, which is a bad thing when talking about a field I know almost nothing about
your intuition is good 90% of the time so don't worry about it. we learn a lot from you
Actually even worse, you need to tell m me how to identify the little balls!
I think I had a question to parse out of Akiva's attempt but I am failing
like, $M$ and $N$ be two manifolds such that for any pair $p, q$ in $M, N$ resp there exists balls $B_p$ and $B_q$ around which are isometric, does that say anything at all about $M$ and $N$?
22:30
The really interesting thing is that scalar curvature is unconstrained in higher dimensions by theorems like GB. In fact KW prove that manifolds come in 3 classes. 1) All functions are sc functions. 2) The sc functions are those that take on the value 0 somewhere. 3) they're the functions that are negative somewhere
2) corresponds to having a zero but not positive scalar curvature metric
3) corresponds to having no zero scalar curvature metric
@MikeMiller What do you mean?
but psc implies any function arises as sc
@BalarkaSen Doubt it
@AkivaWeinberger Getting an isometry with a small ball in H^3 is essentially solving a specific nonlinear differential eq
Whoooaaaa all functions?????
KW is kewl
"KWl"
22:33
I want to read their papers eventually
but tragically I have finite time
1
A: Negative curvature compact manifolds

Will JagyNo, none. You are describing space forms, in this case the hyperbolic plane and 3-space. You might want to look at Cheeger and Ebin, Comparison Theorems in Riemannian Geometry. Right, Theorem 1.37 on page 41, simply connected manifolds of the same dimension and constant (sectional) curvature $K...

That's extremely cool
That answer seems to say that the theorem is true, anyway
Wait, not sure how much of that is specific to dimension 2
@BalarkaSen Lel
Sorry, I thought I said like way back that it's true.
You prove it in every differential geometry class
I just don't think you can prove it the way you wanted
@Daminark I knew you'd like it
Right, sorry, you said it came from the classification of simply connected manifolds.
simply connected constant curvature ones
I want to learn it but I have to start by learning the definition of "curvature"
give me a millennium
No, don't kill Hopf
(I am predictable)
@Akiva confuzzled reacts only
22:43
@MikeMiller Thanks. That's a helpful geodesic path towards the proof
bookmarking that
Conjecture (Hopf): "There is no metric of positive sectional curvature on S^2 x S^2"
HUH
Prove that and I'll give you $20 and an underage beer
I have a question regarding finding extrema of the following function:
$f(x,y)=(y −1)(x^2 − y)^2$.
Whilst searching for stationary points, I also stumble upon x^2=y satisfying D_x f = 0 =D_y f. How to interpreted this?
cool I'd be able to pay for a years worth of netflix then
I suspect the salary fifty institutions immediately start trying to pay you will also help
extra savings for sure
22:59
If you prove that I'll just pay for your Netflix tbh
Hello all people.
I decided I have a happy life bit-torrenting movies off the internet
I used to do that but i tried to download the sting
and it screwed my computer up
so now I just stream it directly to my television.
sting burns yeah
Have you seen it? It's decent.
23:10
Nope
Paul Newman.
It looks interesting
The Hustler is good too
and cool hand luke.
Not sure if you like older movies though.
Not everyone's cup of tea :)
How has everyone's day been going?
I think my favorite movies are from the 80's and 70's
Oh cool then you'd love cool hand luke
have you seen the good the bad and the ugly?
It's 1966
but still a great movie
23:13
Clint Eastwood yeah. I have heard of it
You don't suspect that it was me that has been flagging you, right Balarka?
I know I've been extremely vocal about the flagging but that's just because I have an immense amount of respect for you.
I have a suspect but it's someone else. I don't think it was you.
You're aright man
You too, my friend.
23:16
If I am given n=12984, e=12, how the heck do I get the private key?!
n=pq, d=private key and de=1 mod (p-1)(q-1)
I think you still need m.
But I don't understand how I find p-1 and q-1 from this.
because $ c = m^e mod n$
I am technically not really a movie buff though I love movies. I watch the very weird ones
Hi @TedShifrin
Hi a Balarka.
23:18
SIGGGGGGGGGGHhhhhhhhhhhh it's Ted again.
Oh, that's a 10-minute sigh worthy?
Yeppers.
:o)
@DemCodeLines do you have m?
@Balarka: Do you know what sectional curvature is yet?
Quick google search says you need m.
@TedShifrin not sure if i already told you this, but I found the guys boss's contact info and sent him an email documenting correspondence.
@Dodsy Unfortunately not.
23:21
And basically saying that I don't have the funds to pay another 160 dollars to apply for part time studies.
Well, Nate, just stay polite and calm about it ...
@TedShifrin Not officially. Eats a 2-plane from T_pM and spits the Gaussian curvature of the surface you get by exponentiating it, isn't it?
surface inside M
Right, Balarka.
The reason the Hopf conjecture is not surprising is that the product metric has lots of 2-planes with sectional curvature 0.
@TedShifrin I'll try my best!
Is it his bedtime?
23:22
I.e., @Balarka, there are lots of flat tori. (Take a direction tangent to one $S^2$ and the other direction tangent to the other $S^2$.)
@MikeMiller Whose, mine own?
Oh hell, it's way past un-unsleeptime.
@TedShifrin Ah alright I see
Oh jesus
Balarka you are up late...
vOv 5AM is like tame
I have given up on my sleep schedule
23:24
rolls 7 eyes
@TedShifrin this is what I wrote if you're interested: imgur.com/a/0k2KZ
It reads like a foreign language to me, Nate, but it is reasonable and mostly not too defensive.
Lmfao, I can understand that
my writing isn't that strong and there are a lot of acronyms flying around.
23:27
Hey semi how are you
not bad atm
hi Semiclassic
that's good to hear!
any good problems today?
I haven't been thinking about math enough lately...
:/
$:/$
23:29
I'd talk about the problem I should be working on but uh
I don't want to.
Nope, Semiclassic. Only my getting discouraged by the number of people asking undergrad diff geo without showing effort — and by their apparently using texts that don't do stuff they should do (or the student isn't reading the text).
(partly because I'm getting discouraged that I can really add anything useful to what's already in the paper of interest. just too impenetrable.)
hrm.
Oh, this was the paper you showed me?
Yeah.
The real frustration is that there are, roughly speaking, two parts of the calculation.
One is computing a certain result, and the other is inverting that (in the sense of a Legendre transform) in order to deduce a separate result
I'd been focusing on the inversion step, but I really can't avoid the other part of the calculation
and that part is just ugghh
Maybe this is why your coauthors don't know the answer. ;)
23:37
lol
I think I've convinced myself that the analytic-continuation step I was paranoid about actually makes sense.
especially since I had a chance to skype with our coauthor re: that point
On the other hand, neither he nor I have any idea wth their "non-analytic continuation" is about :/
And that's in some sense the key result of their paper, including its agreement with our numerical results. sooooo yeah.
I have no idea what non-analytic continuation should even mean.
I frankly don't either.
Make up any smooth extension?
It's not even smooth :/
Make up any mostly continuous extension?
23:40
They give some argument for why there are two possible continuations, one analytic and one not
But I frankly don't understand it.
And neither does our coauthor.
Well, unless there's a very precise notion of "continuation," there are perhaps at least two.
Yeah.
It's really very confusing.
Sometimes people (not just politicians) say garbage.
Possibly. I hope not, since what they got agrees with our results.
And our results were in the realm of a spontaneous symmetry breaking, so something weird going on at that point isn't absurd.
But "the result isn't absurd" and "I understand how they get their result" are miles apart.
There is a special case they focus on, so maybe I'll look there to get some sense of it.
That makes sense.
hi @Dair.
23:46
@Ted Hi
I hate when I sneeze and then I look and it's on my computer screen...
No? Nobody else has this problem?
Okay I'm just gross then.
ewwwww
Get some soap and water, man.
I'm not a man, only a boy on the seashore with the ocean of knowledge in front of me.
water? On a computer?
which is...
Ted Shifrin.
You are the ocean.
23:50
spray some alcohol
I drank it all.
well u'r gonna die
Depends if it's a laptop or a desktop monitor. And you should turn it off and unplug it.
drink it through your nose and sneeze again
smacks Balarka
23:51
Genius!
tabs in, sees Balarka's comment, tabs out
clean it with one of those fancy cloths that come with glasses.
nods knowingly at Eric
you still need at the very least a damp cloth.
I shall leave it
let it solidify
unplug the damn thing.
no longer has any interest in meeting Nate
23:52
@Dodsy i loike that oidea
Haha you never should have! I am a devil! A real cretin!
No but seriously I am much more reserved in real life.
Well, I need to relax a bit before dinner and bridge. Good night, Balarka.
@MikeM I was just speaking a British accent
night Ted
Night ted
23:54
night
I am sorry if I upset you.
Not earth-shatteringly upset.
Well I'll redeem myself hopefully
in a few years
Plate tectonics seem like they're working alright to me so yeah
Daminark
you are from Indiana
23:57
Chicago
Is UChicago even at a fault line?
but isn't that like down the street from indiana
Do you even know the struggle?
dair where you at?
I think Indiana isn't too far but I'm not sure, barely even left this neighborhood, much less the city
23:58
@Mike well right now i'm not where i'm usually at... But i'm usually in Berkeley or SD
@Daminark you can be in indiana in 30 minutes
Oh huh
Eric you're from indiana
I live like a 10 minute walk from Daminark
you a berkeley student?
23:59
yeah.

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