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12:00 AM
@Huy At the vacations, yes... When I have to stay up eraly in the morning, I sleep earlier..
 
@evinda I wake up early and go to bed late, it is a abad habit.
 
Huy
@evinda: I sure hope so. Many students at my uni stay up late to work during the semester too. I sure wouldn't survive that.
@N3buchadnezzar: I used to do that too, until rather recently.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Yes, it is :D
 
@Huy In my finals i slept 3 out of 5 nights. It was rather horible
Eg working the entire night. Then leave to take an exam. Then either work more, or take a powe nap.
 
@Huy At my university too, but not to work, to go out :D
 
Huy
12:02 AM
@N3buchadnezzar: That's why I always try to finish with the studying at least a week before an exam. Then there's only revision left. Well, I try. :P
 
@Huy I will try that this semester.. I took 8 courses last semster, was in way over my head.
 
Huy
@evinda: Some do it at my uni too. Those usually change uni because "they want to enjoy life more" after a year's time at the most. :P
@N3buchadnezzar: You will feel a huge difference, honestly. I used to feel a lot weaker when I'd stay up late and get up early, which impacted not only my physical but also my mental state.
 
@Huy Aha :p
 
Huy
@evinda: Do you like going out?
 
@Huy Yeah.. At the worst I woke up around 06-0630. Took the bus at 07. Then my own lectures started at 08-12. Then some meetings and some coursework. Before attending a few classes. Around 17 I had more meetings untill about 20 :p
 
Huy
12:06 AM
@N3buchadnezzar: I only woke up once before 8am since September 2014, and that was to go snowboarding for a day. :D
 
@Huy Lucky bastard :p
 
Huy
@N3buchadnezzar: Seize the day! Or in my case, the sleep.
 
@Huy I don't go out often since I don't have time because of studying.. I go out sometimes in summer, but not in clubs... What's with you?
 
People say that students are lucky having so much spare time... I do not think growing up and attending work will be easy.. but I would like to see my parents or any adult attend my life for a month. I think they will be exhausted :p
Working as a bartender some days of the week, and weekends. Having courses from 08-18 monday-wednesday. Then meetings and alike on thursday and friday :p
 
Huy
@evinda: I used to, a lot, until uni, then the amount approximately halfed itself and since this February, I go out maybe twice a month for drinks on average.
@N3buchadnezzar: Did your parents not study, then?
 
12:09 AM
Well they took practical education :p and if one just focuses on studies, it is not that hard. The problem is balancing 3 lives at once ;)
 
@Huy Aha!
 
Huy
@N3buchadnezzar: See, my dad studied. And he was one of the best. I can never compare to him. :(
 
@Huy There is only one person you should compare yourself against. yourself. Push yourself to the limit, and reap the fruits.
 
Huy
@N3buchadnezzar: I always say to myself if I ever achieve remotely what my father did, I can be very, very proud of myself.
 
@Huy Best at studying or being a student?
 
Huy
12:12 AM
@N3buchadnezzar: At life. The complete package. :D
 
Yeah. Thats the hard part. I am no longer impressed by people getting good grades. I am impressed at the ones who manage to do it all.
 
How do you get 2015 from 1,2,...,9, using them only once and in this order, with operations +-*/ ?
 
Huy
@N3buchadnezzar: He was sent to Germany with no money, not knowing the language, with probably huge knowledge gaps in maths and physics and he came out on the very top.
 
Partying, having friends, being the leader of various groups, getting good grades, and working beside school.
I heard the saying that being successfull is being able to adapt. And the best are those best at adapting. I really like that saying. It really seems your man was great at adapting.
 
Anyone for the riddle above ? :D
 
12:18 AM
meh
 
Huy
meh
 
:c
Posted on main then
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Q: A riddle for 2015

Hippalectryon How can one get $2015$ using $1,2,\dots,9$ in this order and only once, with the operations $+,-,\times,/$ ? Solving this riddle with a computer (using python) turned out to be impossible for me due to the amount of memory needed. Hence, I am looking for a mathematical way to find the/a sol...

 
Huy
Time for bed for me. Good night, everyone.
 
Good night
 
Hi.
 
12:21 AM
@JasperLoy Heya, lhf above :D
 
@Hippalectryon Too hard for me. I am only a mango.
 
O_o mangoo\neq banana
 
@Huy Good night!!! :)
 
Hello @TedShifrin. you must have had dinner.
 
12:37 AM
Hello @GeorgeV.Williams
 
@TedShifrin You plan to visit New Jersey?
 
@robjohn Happy New Year. We are wearing the same hat.
 
12:51 AM
@PedroTamaroff How did you get the mask you are wearing? Is it a present?
 
@JasperLoy Yes. A lovely gift.
 
1:05 AM
@JasperLoy so we are. Happy New Year!
 
1:40 AM
@robjohn: It was poor New Years humor.
 
As opposed to the really funny kind?
 
@MikeMiller or the really expensive kind.
 
@MikeMiller Or the really funny expensive kind.
 
I see.
 
We love you Mike. No matter what.
Well, unless you say $0\notin\Bbb N$.
Then we hate you.
Forever.
And ever.
 
1:47 AM
Of course I don't. Are you suggesting I think $\Bbb N =\Bbb Z^+$?
 
@PedroTamaroff That's what I was taught...
 
I'm sorry to hear that, @robjohn
 
I personally also prefer that natural numbers are strictly positive.
 
I prefer to include zero.
 
Me too ...
 
1:48 AM
@MikeMiller considering that $0$ was not in most ancient numbering systems, I don't know that I would call it a natural number...
 
Not including zero ...
 
Set theory starts from zero, the empty set.
 
I prefer not to take my mores from ancient cultures, @robjohn.
 
@JasperLoy when I count, I start with $1$
 
sides with @robjohn and quid unequidvocally
 
1:49 AM
 
Professor @TedShifrin, on the question of differential geometry, I can not seem to help that person out. What am I doing wrong?

I am assuming that all derivatives of $\alpha$ are with respect to $t$. Now there is an identity we can use:
$$|a\times b|^{2} = |a|^{2}|b|^{2}-(a\cdot b)^{2}.$$

Therefore,

$$\begin{align}
|\alpha'\times \alpha''|^2 &= |\alpha'|^{2}|\alpha''|^{2}-(\alpha'\cdot \alpha'')^{2}\\
& = |\alpha'|^{2}|\alpha''|^{2},\\
\end{align}
$$

since $\alpha'$ and $\alpha''$ are orthogonal. Therefore we have that
 
My main reason is not so much historical as practical.
 
They're not necessarily orthogonal!
 
@PedroTamaroff Ouch... It is painful to search for "yes" on YouTube...
 
How do you denote nonnegative integers?
 
1:51 AM
Ahh thought so!
 
N_0
with N in the usual font of course (I leave open what is usual not to start a bf vs bb debate in addition)
 
Ah, another one of those conversations in the math channel.
 
@GustavoMontano Since you are assuming $\alpha'\cdot\alpha''=0$, you are assuming that $\alpha$ has constant speed.
 
fwiw, 0\in N imo
 
@KarlKronenfeld Hello there.
@KarlKronenfeld Thank goodness. Now I don't have to ban you!
 
1:54 AM
That's correct, @robjohn. I see my error!
 
Hi @Karl
 
@Ted If G is a matrix group, a G-bundle gives me a vector bundle with a G-structure. Does the latter automatically give me the former too? ie does one lose nothing by sticking to one point of view over the other?
 
They're equivalent modulo a choice of representation.
 
New request for reopen votes thread. It's a new year, and there's over 200 answers to the old question.
 
HNY @anorton
 
2:10 AM
Hi and happy new year to you, too, @TedShifrin!
 
OK. Is one generally more convenient, in practice?
 
Hi and welcome to 2015 @PedroTamaroff @TedShifrin @MikeMiller and all.
 
I guess I like the G-bundle language more.
 
I haven't seen @DanielFischer today... What happens? Do you have an idea?
 
Thanks for the greeting @Karl
 
2:12 AM
@KarlKronenfeld Happy new year!!!
 
They're both bundles, @Mike.
 
I changed my sentence for clarification.
 
oh ...
 
@TedShifrin :)
 
i guess I'm more vector bundle than principal bundle. But doing moving frames makes it virtually equivalent to compute.
 
2:14 AM
but I guess in practice one should probably be able to do both equally well.
I think I'll probably get used to the language when I finally start doing something with or instead of just looking at the language.
 
@MikeMiller You seem to have advanced knowledge of differential geometry.
 
I'm trying to memorize the string "5~n@+as" in a randomly generated password... not going well.
 
@KarlKronenfeld not necessary anymore! You can always come back to the transcript now. ;-)
 
ingenious :)
just have to remember the timestamp (approx)
but that's not difficult at all considering it's the first of january and all.
 
@KarlKronenfeld Are you using that as a password? I don't get it.
 
2:27 AM
What are y'all talkin' about?
 
@JasperLoy Well, a part of a password. The rest I have memorized with a mnemonic device.
 
@KarlKronenfeld It's no longer safe to use it since it is in the transcript.
 
I'm pretty sure most people here don't even know my name.
 
Still, it is NOT wise.
 
Having a fraction of one of my passwords is rather useless.
 
2:28 AM
Who are you?
 
my first half of my password to some of my accounts(I wont give you the other half) is !S0y(H6l@!A0l#E
 
You guys are nuts to even type part of your password.
 
you're nuts, @beginner, but I knew that :)
 
:)
 
My password is ************.
 
2:30 AM
let me get that bike picture from where I saved it ted, I know how to solve it now I think
i don't know where the tablet saves pictures so i will have to go to the transcript
 
Hmm, on the ipad you have to tell it where to save.
 
its a windows surface i said ipad by mistake
 
hi @dustin!
 
but i got it in the transcript and it is going to the left!
 
Hi @quid
 
2:35 AM
Because the front wheel is for steering and the back is for driving, and so the front wheel has the greater fluctuation in positions, and thus is the top line at the start and end
and knowing that, i cant visualise the bike going to the right, but to the left makes sense
@ted is that right(left :))
 
Ugh, every time Ieave this screen on the IPad I have to do 7 steps to log back in ... Chatting on the iPad is just f***ed.
 
sounds like a fun bike to ride
 
@beginner I don't even understand the problem he gave you. I don't know anything about bikes.
 
Not what I would call a rigorous argument, @beginner.
 
you want me to do it using parameterisation?
 
2:38 AM
Nooooo
 
what math field?
geometry?
 
Calculus? Tangent lines are relevant.
 
ok i will do it with calculus
also are limits calculus? what defines calculus? someone last night told me that limits are not calculus
i think it was alec teal
 
Limits are calculus. @Jasper: What you have to think about is what distinguishes frint and rear wheels is that the front steers and the rear does not.
 
I am now not sure what calculus means. I never looked it up either.
@TedShifrin You mean @beginner.
 
2:40 AM
It's sometimes better not to take Alec seriously.
No, I meant you, @Jasper.
 
Is that what they call a smart Alec.
 
@alecteal limits are calculus sir
alec had a big argument last night against huy, pedro and someone else I think
 
No comment.
 
i am doing rudins principles of mathematical analysis
 
No comment.
 
2:44 AM
Don't. If you insist, do Spivak's Calculus.
 
everyone said your classic algebra by cohn is bad @jasper
why spivak instead of rudin?
 
@beginner I know.
 
Because Rudin assumes you know calculus and how to do proofs.
 
I don't know anything, @Jasper.
 
@MikeMiller Anyway, thanks for your email.
 
2:45 AM
There's too much baggage for where you are, @beginner.
 
i am on page 30 so far but i skipped this cuts thing with rationals to reals
 
Oh, you have the first edition. Even worse.
 
Sure. When I know something about something, @Jasper, I'll tell you.
 
@beginner Are you trying to be Terence Tao?
 
You can't learn analysis before you learn calculus, @beginner
 
2:47 AM
@TedShifrin How do you know it is the first edition?
 
@jasper i heard someone say he was the best mathematician of all time, but they might have been joking
 
@beginner Best is not well defined.
 
No, he's not, but he's good.
 
Clearly, Ted is the best of all time. =)
 
By the third edition, all that Dedekind cut stuff became an appendix.
 
2:49 AM
i know how to do some limits, like $\lim \limits_{x\to 5} \frac{6x+2}{3}=\frac{32}{3}$
 
He might have meant he skipped the appendix.
 
Yeah, clearly. Ok, I'm gonna get booted off here. Back in a while.
 
i don't know if that rendered since i don't have latex on the tablet
the Dedekind stuff was on page 20
but it is the third edition it says
 
I think Dedekind cuts are the wrong way to complete the rationals.
 
New project idea: write a book that consists only of appendices.
 
2:50 AM
oh it does say appendix yay
i felt bad for skipping it!
 
Are you Spanish?
 
me?
 
You used an inverted !
 
No he didn't...
 
2:51 AM
who did?
 
i did !
 
lol
 
iiiiiiiiii
 
Oh dear, I am clearly mad.
 
@jasper leave my spelling alone!!!
 
2:52 AM
@Karl Tell me about yourself. I demand it.
 
LOL
 
@MikeMiller Renowned author of useless books.
 
My mind is damaged. I need a miracle to fix it.
 
Tell me the truth.
 
Sometimes, human effort is not enough. I need divine help.
 
2:54 AM
I have. Now the ball is in your court. You must believe me.
 
@karl you used to be Ed right?
 
Um...
Don't think I was any more Ed than I am now.
 
Maybe Ed was Arkamis.
 
what is a hard limit problem?
 
I know that one of Arkamis and Karl used to be Ed.
 
2:56 AM
@MikeMiller Specialist in Question-Dodging.
 
what makes limits hard? just subbing in for x??
 
well, consider \lim sin(x)/x as x goes to 0.
it exists, but you cannot just sub in x=0
 
@beginner You need to study a calculus book before Rudin.
 
@Karl I am not happy, but I know there's naught I can do about it.
 
well the bottom makes it go to infinity, but the top makes it go to 0?
 
2:58 AM
@beginner useless reasoning
 
but $0*\infty$ is $0$ so it is $0$
 
since infitismals are always $0$
is that right?
 
That is complete and total nonsense.
 
what is sin(0.1)/0.1
 
2:59 AM
Sorry about that.
 
what is sin(0.01)/0.01
see a pattern yet?
 
i don't have a calculuator
 
go get one
 
ok
 
(not doing that for you)
 
2:59 AM
ok i don't know where one is honestly so i will just try to work it out with trig
 
You can't work that out with trig.
 
no?
ok what is it roughly?
is it getting bigger or smaller?
 
I think you should not even be thinking about this.
You have not even studied calculus.
 
oh it doesn't equal 0 because it isn't an infitismal since it never reaches 0, so then it never has a limit
 
You should think about what to have for dinner instead.
 
3:01 AM
Again, this is complete nonsense.
 
my mum and dad do that
 
@beginner HA! HAHAHAH! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! AHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAA
Rudin!!!!
at 9th grade!!!
are you Terence tao?
 
We should not engage him in topics not at his level.
 
LMAO
 
i am in grade 7 this year @don!!
 
3:02 AM
Do Spivak, @beginner. That is my final word.
 
@Ted! A 7th grader doing Rudin! LOL
 
ok ill do spivak if i can find it
what don!!!???
why do you always do this don!!!
 
@beginner: This time you have to listen to a wise ancient teacher like me
 
@beginner I think Spivak's Calculus is right for you.
 
now i am doing spivak calculus, munkres topology, dummit&foote algebra if i can find it small download, rudin analysis :)
 
3:04 AM
Save topology and Dummit Foote.
 
spivak 4th edition?
 
@beginner I think just forget everything and do Spivak.
 
and book of proof by halmos
 
That's perfect. You'll find my name in the preface, too ;)
 
Halmos has a book of proof?
 
3:06 AM
oh wow that is cool, i hope to one day get the chance to be in one of those book!
@jasper i think it was halmos, and it is a set theory book
 
I will send you exams, @beginner.
 
He means, I guess, Naive set theory.
 
No need to go at lightning speed.
 
exams really, yay :)
 
Lots of good problems ... Proofs and calculus learning both ...
 
3:08 AM
wow. if someone doesn't take these books (save spivak) from this kid he's going to get discouraged, real fast.
 
and then i can do rudin munkres and dummit&f?
 
I think his parents have that idea ...
 
I think maybe I should ignore beginner.
 
yeah, plus math 24/7 isn't healthy as a youngster. it wasn't until I was 19 that I realized I wanted to do more sports.
 
@don i already know modular arithimatic and some group theory and fields!
 
3:09 AM
@beginner: You have time. Slow down and build a solid foundation.
3
He's got friends who build railguns, whatever those are!
 
I have fired a real rifle before.
 
i cant talk about that, i am grounded for a month
 
Good.
 
:(
 
I have astigmatism, so I can't shoot at night. But in the day, my score is almost perfect.
 
3:11 AM
@Jasper summed up in one sentence:

"I have a (enter limiting belief here)."
 
You have other friends to play with after you're grounded, @beginner.
 
it wasn't really much of a gun it was like a giant box thing with a slot that he put sharp bolts of metal in
 
Scary enough to me.
I don't believe in guns.
 
You're going to shoot your eye out.
 
i don't either now lol
isn't @kaj normally here now
 
3:13 AM
@DonLarynx Maybe you should change your username to your real name.
 
A 2-yr old shot and killed his mom in Idaho two days ago. This country is full of idiots.
 
i cant open djvu on my tablet so i will have to get my dad to download the pdf because i used my download limit for the day up
 
@TedShifrin Mine is full of idiots too, but in other ways.
 
in my country guns are banned
 
There's no shortage of lunacy, @Jasper.
 
3:15 AM
You should tell on your friend.
 
@TedShifrin That term more appropriately describes me.
 
In some moral philosophies, you're actually morally obligated to do so.
 
I didn't mean that, @Jasper.
 
my moral philosophy is to not make people sad or angry
 
I will try to figure out what to do this year with my life. I will let you guys know the progress of my mental health this year.
 
3:16 AM
that generic "people" is questionable
 
That's not a moral philosophy you can abide by.
 
telling would make him and his family sad and angry
i do it by probability of those feelings and scaled by number of people
 
where, @Karl?
 
not make people sad or angry
 
so likelihood, magnitude and number involved
 
3:18 AM
it's awfully hard to properly implement such a philosophy
 
minimise likelihood, magnitude and number of people sad or angry
 
I mean, I'd love to treat everybody equally, but people I know naturally take precedent
 
@beginner You're neglecting the possibility that without early prevention, your friend will end up doing more serious things, potentially hurting himself or others.
 
minimise likelihood, magnitude and number of people I make sad or angry based on a scale of how much i like them
 
@KarlKronenfeld I want happiness for many people, but right now, myself comes first.
 
3:19 AM
@Karl Certainly some people claim to be utilitarianists.
 
Utilitarians?
 
that is a likelihood that is low! i haven't neglected it, and reporting him has a 100% chance of sad or angry * how much i like him
 
Your parents know about it, since they grounded you.
 
i made them angry :(
and then they made me sad, so it canceled out
 
That's almost as nonsensical as your real analysis.
 
3:21 AM
noooooo
i would work it out with lim inf and lim sup, but i don't have a calculator
do the lim inf and sup converge?
 
gives up
 
Time to ignore him.
 
@MikeMiller Remind me of the basics of utilitarian philosophy, I know that I am kind of suggesting it's impossible to actually be a utilitarian.
 
nooooo @ted i will do spivak tomorrow when my dad downloads it but i have to do rudinnn
 
I've been doing that more and more lately, @Jasper.
 
3:23 AM
@mike @jasper noooo
 
Not worth it, @Karl.
 
i don't wanna become balaraka in that regard
 
@beginner I am only a mango, not a professor.
 
are you really ignoring me @mike @jasper
and already @huy and @pedro last night ignored me
and ted gave up so now it is 5
 
3:24 AM
We both know the only good moral philosophy is deontology anyway.
I can't ignore anyone on my phone. But I can not pay attention to them.
 
@mike What are your favourite fields of math?
@mike you were just added to my favourite person list yesterday, why hate me now nooo
 
@MikeMiller of course
 
I don't hate you. I just think it's worth neither of our time to correct errors that come from studying something you're not ready for.
 
ok i wont ask anything trivial then?
just hints on exercises maybe?
 
I am going to sleep. Good night @MikeMiller. I hope I get a miracle in my sleep.
 
3:29 AM
@jasper bye friend :)
 
@beginner See you.
 
Good night, J.
 
maybe i will ask questions on main and only read here and not talk
so when i get better you guys will talk to me :)
why do you think that and why would it matter @don ??
 
@beginner I don't think he meant to be offensive.
But maybe he did.
@DonLarynx You might already know that message was flagged.
Possibly relevant here:
yesterday, by Pedro Tamaroff
To all Avoid flagging things not flag-worthy. It creates noise.
Which is what I'm doing now. Creating noise. I'll be off then.
 
don hates me so it might have been but I don't know
 
3:45 AM
I would be that he was saying that the plans about talking later is stereotypical of young girls.
Not sure. I'd brush it off.
Save flagging for things like swear words, slurs. The real hateful, nasty things. A little jibing here and there never hurt anybody.
 
The difference is between here and there and constant. I have not been paying attention, so cannot say, but my impression from the conversations of others is that it's the latter.
 
i wasn't the flagger @fredsbe, i cant even flag on my tablet, but yes that's fine he hates me.

one question quickly someone, is ker f the elements that are mapped to zero or 1
i remembered it as being the identity, but the identity of + is 0 and of * it is 1, so i am confused
@mike last question^
@robjohn one question ^ :)
 
@beginner $0$
 
why $0$? what if the mapping was $f:x\to y$ $f(x)=x^2$
 
Hi @Rob
 
3:55 AM
@RajeshD hey there...
@beginner kernels are usually for linear maps
 
Wish you a happy and a prosperous new year
@robjohn : I need some suggestion on this question : math.stackexchange.com/q/1084145/2987
 
@beginner, Note that I am talking about $\mathbb F_p^\times$. The operation here is multiplication and the kernel refers to elements mapped to the identity (in this case 1).
 
OH BOIII I'M HERE NOW! @beginner
 

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