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A: The function $f'+f'''$ has at least $3$ zeros on $[0,2\pi]$.

Noam D. ElkiesAssume that $g := f' + f'''$ has only finitely many zeros in ${\bf R} / 2\pi{\bf Z}$. Then it has an even number of sign changes. We show that there must be more than $2$, and thus that there are at least $4$ sign changes in each period interval, so a fortiori at least $4$ zeros. Vladimir alrea...

I'm confused
If i draw $f'+f'''$ for $\cos\sin$
I see only 3 zeros in $[0,2\pi]$, not $4$
But what does Wolfram see?
three zeros max in $[0,2\pi]$
I won't even ask how you responded that quickly...
I had it already opened :)
3 solutions
We show that there must be more than 2, and thus that there are at least 4 sign changes in each period interval, so a fortiori at least 4 zeros. why is that even true ?
Can't it have an odd number of zeros ?
@r9m I usually hear Papa Rudin.
07:21
Oh nvm lol
I was plotting the wrong function -_-
Why does $g := f' + f'''$ have an even number of sign changes ?
r9m
r9m
@robjohn it varies from place to place .. we call it baba rudin .. coz that what we call our father xD
07:36
Hey can someone help me?
A straight tetromino is a tile consisting of four contiguous squares. Prove or disprove:
A 10 × 10 chessboard can be tiled with straight tetrominoes.
r9m
r9m
number the chessboard boxes like :
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
XD
But.... 1,2....
I doubt it's possible
I don't think it is, but I don't know how to prove it.
I do :P
I've seen it already
So start like @r9m did
07:43
This isn't homework, by the way.
but with 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3
so
Wait
Nvm
Just
Take what @r9m said
But
just a sequcen of 1,2,3,4
I know that doesn't work
So that it's like
07:45
But there are a lot of other patterns to consider.
r9m
r9m
@Hippa .. my grd diagram is BS .. nvm that .. sorry :(
Nope
It's kind of the right way
But you missed one thing
You can't do it though?
Let me write down the matrix :c
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3
3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4
4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3
3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4
4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1
1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2
2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3
Map it that way
So if you place one straight tetromino
It cover a 1, a 2, a 3 and a 4
Now count the 1s 2s 3s and 4s
And here you have your answer ;)
I don't know what you're talking about.
Are you saying it can be done?
@r9m do you understand ?
r9m
r9m
@Hippalectryon yes thats the right coloring :D .. nice
I'm saying it can't be done
Then you didn't prove anything, you just showed that this configuration doesn't work.
07:49
@r9m I gtg so explain whatever he doesn't understand
r9m
r9m
@Anthony do you have the book by Arthur Engel .. Problem Solving Strategies ? problems of this kind are called tiling problems/coloring problems .. you should find detailed explanations of how the coloring proof works in that book (chapter - coloring proofs)
:/
I understand the mutilated chess board problems, I just don't understand what you guys are saying.
Oh. You're saying color the board like that.
Woops.
I'm sorry.
Hi all! Just a quick question. Under the Reproducing Kernel Hilbert Spaces content. We say that the (positive definite) kernel $k\colon\mathcal{x}\times\mathcal{x}\to\mathbb{R}$ produces the entire RKHS, $\mathcal{H}$, and thus we write: $$\mathcal{H} = \overline{\operatorname{span}\{k(\mathbf{x},\cdot) | \mathbf{x}\in\mathbb{R} \}}$$, where the overbar denotes the closure of the perspective space. I Would like to give a brief explanation of the "closure". Could you help me? Thanks!
Should I explain briefly the closure notation using Cauchy convergence? What would you write after my original post, in order to explain in brief what you mean by closure, granted that the reader does not know exactly what you mean? Thanks a lot!
08:30
@DanielFischer, hi! Sorry for interrupting you, but do you have any idea about my question above? Thanks!
@nullgeppetto You want to explain it to people who presumably have no familiarity at all with topological concepts like closure? I guess then saying that everything in $\mathcal{H}$ is the limit of linear combinations of $k(\mathbf{x},\cdot)$ is the best option, presumably they have at least a vague knowledge of limits.
I've completely revisted all levels, with all the feedback I got, thanks for all your guys help. You can find it here:
http://euclidthegame.org/Level1.html
@DanielFischer, first, thanks a lot! Then, no, there is no need to be so vague. I could be more rigorous, but I am not sure whether I can do so! So, besides your nice brief explanation, how could I be a bit more rigorous? Or, on the other hand, how would you explain it including all your knowledge about? :) Thanks again!
08:48
@nullgeppetto Not sure. If people know some topology, the notation $X = \overline{Y}$ tells them everything at a glance, and there's no need to explain anything (well, it's good to say something like "the $k(\mathbf{x},\cdot)$ have dense span" to draw attention to it). Otherwise, you could go into explaining what a closed subset of a metric space is (after explaining what a metric space is), and tell them that the closure of a set is the smallest closed subset containing it. But
unless you can devote several lectures to a short introduction to basic topology, I think that would be counter-productive.
I mean, telling them that every point in $\mathcal{H}$ can be approximated by linear combinations of kernel slices isn't vague, what may be vague is their understanding of limits.
@DanielFischer, thank you very much! Your response helps me very much! Is what I wanted! Thanks once again!
You're welcome, @nullgeppetto.
09:18
If four dice are thrown together , then probability that sum of the numbers appearing on them is 13 is
Is that 224/1296?
i.e. 14/81?
@DanielFischer, am i correct?
09:31
SORRY! miscalculated! it is 140/1296
09:43
@Sush Yes, 140 is what I get too.
@sush Hey!
why should it be /1296? it's never said the dice are visually distinct.
@MikeMiller Our magic powers can distinguish them.
09:58
@r9m
10:46
@Anthony Did you get it ?
11:19
Could someone explain that answer to me ?
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A: A problem with concyclic points on $\mathbb{R}^2$

Calvin LinThis follows directly by applying Sylvester-Gallai Theorem and inversion. Consider any collection of $n+1$ points $\{ P_1, P_2, \ldots P_{n+1}\}$. Fix $P_{n+1}$, and apply inversion (with respect to a unit circle) to the remaining $n$ points to obtain $\{Q_1, Q_2, \ldots Q_{n}\}$. Note that $Q_{...

I don't get how applying the inversion a second time gives us the result on concylic points
@r9m ^
11:50
@VibhavPant hello
Hi @Sawarnik
hi please can someone help me [mathoverflow.net/questions/172539/…
12:05
@VibhavPant Let $f$ be continuous and decreasing everywhere on $\mathbb{R}$. Show that $f\circ f$ does not have an even number of fixed points.
12:40
Greetings
Greetings friend.
I've just noticed an integral that is just a small part of a more poweful question I've attended these days. math.stackexchange.com/questions/265981/…
It has a closed form. It is part of the evaluation of $$\int_0^1 \frac{\operatorname{(Li_2}(x))^2}{x} \ dx$$ that is related to an open problem I'll solve soon.
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@skullpatrol Hello! How are you doing? :-)
It should be clearly emphasized that problem posted by Ryan is very important.
@Chris'ssis Fine thanks, how are you?
@skullpatrol Not that well, but I'm used to that. :-)
@Chris'ssis why?
12:51
@Sawarnik it took some time but I obliterated it
The integral I posted above is a whole story, but hard to touch it. The way to go is very long and difficult, but beautiful eventually.
@skullpatrol for some reasons ...
I mean one needs to do some research to study integrals like the one posted by Ryan. Well, if you want a closed form, you need to work very hard.
I don't even know if that integral above was ever evaluated (in closed form).
@DanielFischer I'm sorry -- does it annoy you if I bother you in comments to other people's questions?
I also like the smell of books. Except some books smell like puke. I wonder what the publisher was thinking when they decided to use ingredients that smell like puke. Bleh.
13:07
@MattN. If you exaggerate it, it will. But not so far. In your answer, you have the small problem that the $S_k = f^{-1}(B_k)$ are not disjoint for balls $B_j$ covering the essential range. You need disjointness for $\sum c_k\chi_{S_k}$ to be a good approximation. Replace the balls with $C_k = B_k \setminus \bigcup\limits_{j < k} B_j$ to get disjointness.
13:17
@DanielFischer Thank you for your comment. Right, I didn't realise. Of course if they are not disjoint the equality in the displaystyle equation won't hold. (I'm planning to not exaggerate it.)
Awesome. Thank you!
13:27
I'm doing some work on web site readability, and for that purpose I have developed a web crawler that crawls n number of pages and produce an overall score for the enitre web site. Since the number of pages for each web site varies and is unknown, how can I best estimate a sample size for how many pages it is reasonable to crawl?
14:10
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Q: Convergence of $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{3^n\ \sin(n)}$

hallaplay835Does this series converge? Root test and ratio test are inconclusive.

It numerically seems absolutelty convergent
@G.T.R are you sure ?
Oh wait
sin can be negative
So you're right
But what about $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{3^n\ |\sin(n)|}$ ? i wouldn't be so sure this time @G.T.R
Because $|\sin(n)|$ is dense in $[0,1]$
It numerically seems absolutely convergent
For $\sin^2$, which is like my $|\sin|$ @G.T.R
Plot if first, then get back to me
I'd need really high numbers
14:18
...
The problem seems to me that sin(n) can take as close to $0$ values as we want, and that remains true as n diverges
DiscretePlot[\!\(
\*UnderoverscriptBox[\(\[Sum]\), \(k = 1\), \(n\)]\(Abs[
1/\((3^k\ *Sin[k])\)]\)\) , {n, 120, 260}]
$n^3$ and $3^n$ are one hell of a big difference. I'll stop arguing here
:O
I didn't see that
feels dumb
@G.T.R Mind drawing a proof though ?
14:33
Hey @Alyosha , have you seen the series above ?
Uh i wonder how we're supposed to find that :c
I've seen similar. Why is the highest voted answer nonrigorous?
That is, it uses $\approx$.
@Hippa: Tu brûles toujours?
@TedShifrin 86 for now
14:36
which can be solved by the very rigorous answer here math.stackexchange.com/a/769387/66096 @Alyosha
Salut @ted
Salut @GTR ...
$\sin(n)$ gives you a uniform distribution of values in $[-1,1]$, @Hippa ...
@TedShifrin I said $|\sin|$
The easiest way to see this is to prove that for any $\theta$ so that $\theta/2\pi\notin\Bbb Q$ we have $e^{in\theta}$ is dense in the unit circle.
Isn't that obvious by the density of $\sin$ over $[-1,1]$ ?
assuming you meant $\sin$ and not $in$
@Ted are there many researchers looking for sharper irrationality measures of various constants ?
14:46
@TedShifrin Nvm I read it wrong again
@MikeMiller you like to bet ? What would you gamble regarding the Flint Hill series conjecture ?
15:07
Any graph theorists lurking around? I am solving a test without a solution, wanna confirm some results...
How are the irrationality measures of numbers computed?
"The irrationality measure of an irrational number x can be given in terms of its simple continued fraction expansion and and its convergents"
Which terms?
Very nice. The $\text{limsup}$ form could be fun to prove.
15:20
Essentially irrationality measure of some real $x$ is the logged convergents of the continued fraction expansion.
That gives precisely the 'right' measure for how much the CF can mimic the constant.
For example, it's nearly more or less obvious that $\mu(e) = 2$ from the expansion.
A fact to note : Transcendental numbers are usually better approximated using rational numbers than irrationals algebraics.
OK, OK, I am going. It's hard to keep pretending when you have a chance to spill stuffs you know.
@BalarkaSen any reference for learning about that ?
15:35
@G.T.R No, I like to win
Big difference - that's why I bet beers on the internet and not my savings at a casino :P
oh, I read about this recently on MO
math.stackexchange.com/a/802238/150347 i don't really get how using the inversion for the second time gives us a result on concyclic points
I actually have no intuition about what the irrationality measure of $\pi$ should be
Why does it hold ?
Hi again! Could anyone help on simplifying this? If there is any possible way to do so!
@G.T.R Get yourself some good TNT books. Baker, for example.
15:44
Hrm.. is it acceptable to bring up to the main several questions and the proof I managed to them, asking for input/corrections?
By TNT, I mean transcendental number theory, FYI
@BalarkaSen explosives ? :D
Trinitroglycerin ? Number terrorists once again
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@G.T.R Haha, fair enough.
@Mike Have you read Alekseyev's paper?
I have him in contact, he once sent it to me.
@Studentmath Well if you're really not sure, i think it's ok
But don't ask like 6/day @Studentmath
15:46
It's about whether $$\sum_{n \geq 1} \frac1{n^3\sin(n)^2}$$ converges or not.
if it does, you get some good bound on $\mu(\pi)$ .
We were talking about that earlier
@BalarkaSen what's his position towards the veracity of convergence ?
@G.T.R he doesn't mention much about that, if i recall correctly. he just states the connection between the convergence of that and the irrationality measure of pi
you can search the paper up, it's online i believe.
@BalarkaSen I know, but personally, what does he believe ?
i am not sure, never asked him anything about that. personally, i think the series diverges.
15:53
@DanielFischer Btw, did you see this question? Looks like something you could answer. It sounds like undergraduate real analysis so I suppose it's low hanging fruit for you?
:O
Off I go again.
you're pessimistic Balarkasen :D
@G.T.R i know i am.
in fact, i'd think $\mu(\pi)$ is something respectively larger than usual period friends of its.
perhaps somewhere near $7$, give or take.
funny now that you mention it, i am trying to figure out how does the transcendence of $\zeta(3)$ affect the distribution of primes.
@G.T.R Nice.
16:06
@Sawarnik what's your solution ?
@G.T.R What did you do?
@G.T.R True :)
and for this matter, note that if $x$ is a fixed point, so is $f(x)$
@G.T.R that's the key idea at the end ;)
@Sawarnik Did you try those stuffs I gave?
I got something similar (you may have seen it already)
16:14
@BalarkaSen Yup, I am now looking. Had a nice 4 hrs of sleep!
I am moving to that room then.
@BalarkaSen Ah oh, weren't you on a one week break? :P
@Sawarnik @BalarkaSen @DanielFischer Prove there is no function $f:\mathbb R \to \mathbb R$ such that $\forallx, f(f(x))=x^2-1996$
@G.T.R I have similar stuffs asked in tetration forum.
Prove that $f(f(x)) = x^2 + x + 1$ has no continuous complex solutions.
I ll keep that in mind.
16:50
@Chris'ssis This Integral is in your style :). I tried at it but it breaks into not very nice parts.
@Alizter Yeah, it's nice. Thanks. :-)
17:06
@Chris'ssis Do you see anything for it?
@Sawarnik just saw your question
@VibhavPant Oops, GTR was discussing it!
Don't cheat, ok!
:)
hehe
sure
@Sawarnik Decreasing as in stricly decreasing?
strictly*
@VibhavPant Just decreasing.
I might have to go anytime.
@Sawarnik I use the term non-increasing for such functions :P
17:13
Ok!
Ill try the question later, I have a stupid physics project to finish
@VibhavPant Hehe, and I m doing an history one!
:(
So bye.
What is $\Re(a)$ ? the real part ?
@Hippalectryon Yeah. I've always preferred the notation $\operatorname{Re}(a)$, but they mean the same thing.
17:26
ok
@TedShifrin Ah, I noticed I've overcomplicated things with 1. The function $x/4+4/x$ is 0.75-Lipschitz over $[2,\infty($. Picard fixed point theorem finishes the proof
@G.T.R What question ?
17:48
yesterday's final exam
What number ?
@DanielF Wanna compute some conformal maps?
@MikeMiller Are they nice and easy?
18:00
They're not obvious, at least.
@Alizter How did the generation go ?
$\mathbb D \setminus \{\frac 12(\cos t+i\sin t) : 0 \leq t \leq \pi\}$ is conformally equivalent to some annulus. But I dunno how to pass from one to the other.
(I'm interested in more general classes of slit discs, but if I can figure out what the map is for this one I should be able to generalize with some effort.)
@Hippalectryon It finished :)
@Alizter Show me :D
@MikeMiller Cool. Happy computing.
@Alizter That looks fun
@DanielFischer Always.
What does iff stand for ?
interchange file format?
18:20
$\iff$
-_______-
I know it means if and only if... but why iff ?
short and sweet, why else?
bad acronym, not even valid
seems like a teenager stammering on the key to give it more "power" in that context
if and only i f
it's an abbreviation, not an acronym
18:21
I predicted both of your messages
lol
I even typed the line about the abbreviation, but meh what's the point?
okay mr. oracle
If I were some kind of oracle, I would have known that "what does iff stand for" was actually meant to communicate "what is iff short for"
Instead I've just paid close attention to every social interaction for some years and try to incorporate all data into one unified mental model of people.
@MickLH Hello HAL
25 sec rubiks avreage of 12
=D
one handed
18:37
For a given prime $p$ and integer $a$, let $e_p(a)$ be the exponent of $p$ in $a$. We'll need the following property of $e_p$: for any pair $a,b$ of integers,
$e_p(a+b)=\min{e_p(a),e_p(b)}$
except possibly when $e_p(a)=e_p(b)$. **How is that proved ?**
@Hippalectryon Imagine factoring $a$ and $b$ into products of primes. What's the largest power of $p$ you can factor from their sum?
Oh right :)
18:53
@DanielFischer I thought irrational numbers existence was more related to the least upper bound property
@G.T.R One the one hand, the two are equivalent in Archimedian fields, on the other, only one is suitable for a pun.
Ah, I had never heard of that
19:08
@DanielFischer Turns out the algorithm I was going to use required me to solve the Dirichlet problem for my starting domain, but I was only doing this because I wanted to move somewhere where I could solve it pretty easily. Ah well. Time for a beer instead.
Beer is good, @Mike.
Always.
19:30
@MikeMiller Deppends on the beer, there is many shitty types.
Like budweisser, if that could be considered beer.
$$ (a + \sqrt{b})^n = c_n + d_n \sqrt{b} $$
a, b are constants and $n$ is an integer. What is the closed form for $c_n$ and $d_n$?
Can't you just do it with newton's formula ?
$(a+\sqrt{b})^n=\sum\limits_{k=0}^n\binom{n}{k}\sqrt{b}^ka^{n-k}$
Then
every time $k$ is even, put the number into $c_n$
Every time it's not, put the coefficient in $d_n$
r9m
r9m
@G.T.R you are gonna like this .. unless you have already seen it :-) Its a really nice question imho :)
@N3buchadnezzar doesn't that work ?
@N3buchadnezzar $(a+\sqrt{b})^n=\sum\limits_{k=0}^n\binom{n}{k}\sqrt{b}^ka^{n-k}=\sum\limits_{k=‌​0}^{E(n/2)}\binom{n}{2k}b^ka^{n-2k}+\sum\limits_{k=0}^{E((n-1)/2)}\binom{n}{2k+1}‌​b^ka^{n-2k+1}\sqrt{b}$
So if i haven't made any error, $c_n=\sum\limits_{k=0}^{E(n/2)}\binom{n}{2k}b^ka^{n-2k}$ and $d_n=\sum\limits_{k=0}^{E((n-1)/2)}\binom{n}{2k+1}b^ka^{n-2k+1}\sqrt{b}$
@thanks for the link, I'm taking a look. BTW this user has left the site, which is very sad
@N3buchadnezzar Be careful with $k$'s range in both sums, i'm not totally sure wether it's $E(n/2)$, $E((n-1)/2),...$
19:40
@r9m How about the integral in the right panel? (the starred one) :-)
@Chris'ssis Is there a way to simplify the sums i wrote ^ ?
@Hippalectryon Maybe
-______________- that answer
r9m
r9m
@Chris'ssis OMG .. the mention of solving open problems make me very excited :D .. gr8 Super Sis :D
@Hippalectryon Now, I'm in the middle of a work ... (if I see something interesting to you, I'll let you know later on.
19:43
what? @DanielF
@Chris'ssis Thanks
@r9m I mean it's not only mentioning things, it's a reality. :-)
r9m
r9m
@Chris'ssis I'm excited 'coz you mentioned the problem is open .. and you are writing a solution ... for real :D !!
@MikeMiller At least the hint is true. Who cares it's not relevant in any way?
I'm screenshotting that, printing it and putting it on my walls :3 @Chris'ssis
19:46
@Hippalectryon Good. :-)
r9m
r9m
:16259357 MOG so its Furdui's Open Problem you were on to !!! B)
@r9m MOG ?
r9m
r9m
@Hippalectryon Mother of God :P
@r9m Why not Mother Of Titans ? :D
@r9m Yeah. It's dead (it sounds better)! :-)))))
19:48
@DanielFischer it's actually not trivial. Neither is math.stackexchange.com/a/846258/66096
@G.T.R Hahahaha that hint
@Hippalectryon prove it, it's not easy
@G.T.R Whether it's trivial depends on how you define $2$ (or $4$).
@G.T.R That 1+1+1+1=4 ?
@r9m I sent him the result. :-)
19:50
@G.T.R We did it this year already
@G.T.R Using $1=\{\emptyset,\{\emptyset\}\}$ etc
r9m
r9m
@Chris'ssis Tell me when it gets published :-) .. :D
@DanielFischer $2$ is the successor of $1$ and $4$ the one of $3$, which is the one of $2$
r9m
r9m
@G.T.R Someone opened that account just for playing pranks :P .. lol
@G.T.R Okay, so you probably have to prove that $n+1$ is the successor of $n$. Not trivial, but not deep with the usual definition of $+$.
I'm flagging his two answers -_-

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