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3:18 AM
I'm having trouble solving this telescopic sum: $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n(n+1)(n+2)}$$ I've split it into three fractions, trying to find a relationship that cancels out intermediate terms, but I'm stuck. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I basically split the fraction like this: $$\frac{A}{n} + \frac{B}{n+1} + \frac{C}{n+2} = \frac{1}{n(n+1)(n+2)}$$
$$\frac{A(n+1) + Bn}{n(n+1)} + \frac{C}{n+2} = \frac{1}{n(n+1)(n+2)}$$
$$\frac{n(A+B) + A}{n(n+1)} + \frac{C}{n+2} = \frac{1}{n(n+1)(n+2)}$$
 
$\frac{1}{n}-\frac{1}{n+1}=\frac 1{n(n+1)}$, pal.
And hence $\frac{1}{(n+1)(n+2)}=\frac 1 {n+1}-\frac 1{n+2}$
On the other hand, $\frac 1{n(n+2)}=\frac 1 2\left(\frac 1 n-\frac1{n+2}\right)$
Putting those three together gives what you need.
 
@Pedro Can you solve my problem in time-control optimisation?
 
That is, $$\frac 1{n(n+1)(n+2)}=\frac 1{2n}+\frac 1 {2(n+2)}-\frac {1} {n+1}$$
@wordsthatendinGRY I wouldn't think so.
What's it say?
 
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That's my attempt so far
 
@wordsthatendinGRY So you want to solve an ODE?
 
3:28 AM
@PedroTamaroff I want to find the minimum time solution from anywhere to the origin
Basically the plan for when to have the control $u$ on or off from any point
To get to the origin in minimal time
 
I saw an hour-long lecture on the collinearity of the three centers of the triangle, but I completely forgot the proof.
Oh, wait, no, the lecture was on the 9-point circle. My bad.
I think the collinearity proof was shorter.
 
doesn't sound so hot
 
@datalava (relev. to you ^)
 
@MikeMiller Do you know any book to start off with algebraic number theory?
 
@PedroTamaroff Pedro noooo
 
3:33 AM
what do you mean by start off with
 
@MikeMiller Learn from the ground up.
@wordsthatendinGRY I don't really know how I can help you.
I don't know control theory.
 
@PedroTamaroff :') It's alright, you did your best
 
I don't know what a Hamiltonian is.
 
@PedroTamaroff frankly i've only ever looked at two books. stewart/tall and cassels/frohlich
 
I'll survive :') hopefully :'((
 
3:34 AM
the content of the former is trivial and easy and you can frankly learn all of it in a week, but it's good to know
the content of the latter is quite difficult but much more modern and interesting and more suited to you
so i guess i would suggest "do the first then the second, like i did, but i stopped reading the second halfway through; dont do that"
 
@noahnu Thus your partial sums equal those of $1/2 H_n+1/2 H_{n+2}-H_{n+1}$
 
neukrich is good too i think but i duno
 
@MikeMiller OK.
 
number theory is so 2013 anyway
 
@noahnu Sorry, not that sum, but rather you must truncate some terms.
But you have your result anyways.
@noahnu I am getting $-1/2-1/4+1=1/4$ for an answer.
@MikeMiller What about Artin's book?
 
3:45 AM
never read it
 
You can take this talk to "Calculus and real analysis" if you guys want(just saying in case you forgot it exists)
 
@Committingtoachallenge Yeah, that's not happening.
We're not segregationists.
 
how is algebraic number theory calculus or real analysis
 
Not that talk, the telescopic sum conersation
 
3:48 AM
oh
well i agre ewith pedro
 
this room already spends at most half its time on math, seems a bit silly to divert the chat elsewhere
 
@PedroTamaroff Why is it $\frac{1}{2n} + \frac{1}{2(n+2)}$? Shouldn't it be $\frac{1}{2n} - \frac{1}{2(n+2)}$? Isn't the previous step $\frac{1}{n(n+1)(n+2)} = \frac{1}{n(n+2)} - \frac{1}{(n+1)}$?
 

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@MikeMiller As a counter argument. These stay completely on topic because they are so specific
 
to the detriment of this room
 
3:50 AM
Does this room matter if all categories are met in their own rooms?
 
yes, as you segregate the userbase, and prevent interesting discussions from happening when users who often work in unrelated areas collide
 
the whole point is being able to make another room, if the need be :-)
 
@Ted I learned today that $C^k$ manifolds are uniquely $C^\infty$
 
Hi Professor @TedShifrin
 
Yeah, I guess I've never thought about it ... But it's presumably approximation theorems in Hirsch ...
 
3:52 AM
@noahnu Yes, but you have two ocurrences of $1/(n+2)$
 
Hi skull
 
They amount to $-1/2+1=1/2$.
 
@TedShifrin It's apparently due to Whitney... I'm trying to chase down an actual reference
 
Heya @Pedro
 
The existence is perhaps only a bit surprising... uniqueness is crazy
 
3:53 AM
@TedShifrin Hello. Tell Pete I am looking for an introductory ANT textbook. =D
 
LOL ...
 
Also, I'm dropping a Chrissis thing on you guys. $$\sum_{n\geqslant 1}\binom{n+k-1}k ^{-1}=\left(1-\frac 1k\right)^{-1}$$
Well, let's say it's a bit simpler.
 
Analytic, eh ?
 
seriously, @Pedro ... who really cares?
 
@TedShifrin No no, algebraic.
 
3:54 AM
Pfeh ...
 
@MikeMiller You're not supposed to care, bro.
 
I already told him he should start working with Cassels-Frohlich without any background or motivation, @Ted
 
@TedShifrin Oh noes. Well, for analytic I already have a pirated version of Apostol's introductory text.
 
That looks like the stuff we were doing in August, @Pedro
 
@TedShifrin I know, right?
I'm pretty stupid, I should use that formula, @Ted.
Let's see if I can remember it.
 
3:56 AM
Only one of my students did that exercise :(
 
@TedShifrin Wusses everywhere?
Is "wusses" a softer version of "catsies"?
 
Perhaps, over worked everywhere.
 
Too busy :( Today's test was easy, and I think half the class will be D/F. We'll see tomorrow.
 
@TedShifrin I am shocked
 
So you're suggesting I look in Hirsch, @Ted?
 
3:59 AM
Yeah, he has all sorts of $C^k$ approx theorems in there. I don't remember if he states such a theorem, but I suspect yes. I also remember real analytic.
 
I can find real analytic.
Is this a book I should know?
 
Differential Topology ... The sophisticated version of Guillemin/Pollack
 
Sorry, I phrased poorly. I know of the book. Is this a book I should know the contents of?
 
Yes.
Some great exercises, too.
 
@Ted Why do most of your students not try? Is it that you are teaching math to engineers?
 
4:03 AM
Far from engineers. They've gotten away with minimal work/studying in too many courses. I'll have a pile of A's ...
 
What do you teach?
 
There's perhaps too much I need to know the content of, @Ted
 
Many do not know how to study and are making minimal effort, not coming for help. Shrug.
LOL, that's life, @Mike.
This is an undergrad probability class.
 
I had a heart to heart with Jacob about Riemannian today... He told me to get over my equation sadness and just cope with the fact that the first 7 weeks of the course are tedious before we get to interesting things :)
(This was not, I should say, his phrasing.)
 
Oh okay, probability is quite hard for most as opposed to calculus, analysis, number theory
 
4:06 AM
depends on what you mean by probability, or by analysis, or by number theory
 
No, it's different, but far easier than analysis, etc. they have 0 proofs to do.
 
@TedShifrin What can you do to teach them "how to study effectively"?
 
@MikeMiller Of the same level I mean
@IceBoy He means effectively
 
@TedShifrin This seems nice. $$\binom{n+k-1}{k}^{-1}=\sum_{i=0}^k (-1)^i\binom ki \frac 1{n+k}$$
Mike's blood will start boiling anytime soon.
 
If they don't start homework until the night before it's due, skull, nothing. Everyone has told them they're great and they've gotten away with it.
 
4:08 AM
It was a joke, @Pedro. I don't much care if anybody posts identities of whatever sort, since this chatroom is for everybody.
Just as long as they don't ask me to prove them. :)
 
Did we have that this summer, @Pedro?
 
@TedShifrin $$\binom{n+k-1}{k}^{-1}=\sum_{i=0}^k (-1)^i\binom ki \frac 1{n+i}$$
I had a typo there.
@TedShifrin I don't remember.
Maybe?
 
Can you give a combinatorial proof, @Pedro?
 
We had just the integral, and then we stuck it in with the bin coeffs in the numerator.
Oh, maybe we can do the integral and get that.
It's past my bedtime.
 
Good night Professor
 
4:13 AM
Stop starring, skull.
 
:O not me
 
It's always past mine, @Ted
Tomorrow I have to go over exam solutions with a sad class...
 
I will probably have to type up solutions for mine, unfortunately.
 
have them come to your office hours to pick them up
 
Hopeless.
 
4:16 AM
Tomorrow's seciton shouldn't be too sad, they did comparatively decently.
80% average. I think the class average was a soild 10 points lower.
 
Is there a way to make 4 linearly independent 4-vectors with one being (1,1,1,1) and all the others having only +/- 1 as coordinates?
 
That's very high. They should be happy.
 
I also learned that the students who participate most in class are not necessarily the best
 
@MikeMiller They are statistically more likely to do well though
 
Not necessarily, but often most are.
 
4:17 AM
Yes, @Fargle
 
Wait, duh, I think I see it.
 
Yup @Fargle
 
I pulled a 60-hour-straight math session from Sun to Tues--my brain isn't working.
 
$(1,1,1,1),(1,-1,1,1),(1,1,-1,1),(1,1,1,-1)$
 
@TedShifrin Emailed the graduate chair about going to the MSRI summer school. Pray that he looks upon me kindly.
There are quite a lot of workable choices, @Committingtoachallenge
Interesting question: how many?
 
4:19 AM
They might give priority to more advanced students, @Mike, or they might not.
 
They might, @Ted... I think I can make a good case for myself, and a good case that students earlier in their careers will get more out of it
 
I'll also come armed to the teeth with dynamite to be especially convincing
 
lol
 
Still smoking, huh?
 
4:20 AM
Yeah, I got it now, @Committingtoachallenge. Thanks though!

I wanted to construct an isomorphism from $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_2 \oplus \Bbb Z_2]$ to $\Bbb C^4$ (where + and * are component-wise).
 
$C^4$?
 
Yeah, my bad. Not thinking before I type.
 
oh, I see
$\Bbb C[G] \cong \Bbb C^n$ if $|G| = n$ and $G$ is abelian :)
 
Night.
 
night
 
4:21 AM
@Ted Night
 
later
pal
 
I wanted to construct one between $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_2 \oplus \Bbb Z_2]$ and $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_4]$.
I don't think my class is quite at that level, @MikeMiller!
 
I know, it was just a bit of trivia.
 
And I already got the one between $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_4]$ and $\Bbb C^4$--just considering the element $(1, i, -1, -i)$, its powers form a basis for the latter space. The isomorphism just falls out naturally at that point.
Hmm...actually, I don't know that this works for those purposes. I need the product of any two non-unital elements to equal the third, also. Hmm.
 
@Fargle Can I give a tip?
 
4:27 AM
Maybe I need a different approach than using $\Bbb C^4$ as an intermediate step? Or maybe I should try to prove that piece of trivia if it's not over my head.
Of course, @MikeMiller! Just don't, like, give it away, haha.
 
Find a (vector space) basis of $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_4]$, $(z_1, z_2, z_3, z_4)$, such that the product of any two different ones is 0.
You need one more condition on that last bit that I didn't specify but w/e.
 
Urgh. I hate doing products in group rings. Even as small as this one.
 
Well, you should first figure out what the third condition was that I left vague.
 
All order 2?
 
Yeah
In retrospect this still blows
lol
I just got lucky with the basis I tried, I think
 
4:34 AM
Wait, why do we want products to be zero?
 
@Fargle What do you get when you multiply the distinct basis vectors in $\Bbb C^4$?
 
Oh. Okay.
Well, I already made the iso for $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_4]$. So do you mean for the other one, or do you want me to start over? Haha.
 
oh, oops
well, the same tip works in this other case! :D
 
I definitely see that that direction might work better for the other one too though.
$(1,0,-1,0)$ and $(1,0,1,0)$ might be a good place to start? Simplest zero divisor I can think of.
Wait...no.
 
Those don't square to themselves
 
4:41 AM
Ah, yeah, not order 2, but idempotent. Hurr.
 
And idempotents are a bit rough. The problem is that the obvious idempotent ($e$) is also obviously not a zero divisor.
 
So I need to find four linearly independent zero divisors.
That are idempotent.
 
yeah, I don't even have a basis for this yet
this is rougher than I thought
Note that $z^2 = \lambda z$ is sufficient if $\lambda \neq 0$ since you can just normalize it
 
True.
Let me hammer this out on my mirror. (Only thing in my apt that resembles a whiteboard...)
 
@MikeMiller I can try.
 
4:49 AM
I got a system, but it's non-linear as hell.
 
@MikeMiller Mikey ayo
 
$$\sum_{n\geqslant 1}\binom{n+k-1}k ^{-1}=1/k$$
That's the correct one.
 
You're at UCLA right?
Nevermind I read your page.
 
(1/2, 1/4, 0, 0) is idempotent, I believe. Now I need another three that are linearly independent and which multiply both this and each other to get zero.

Maybe another method works better for this.
 
5:03 AM
It seems like there's definitely a better method, @Fargle
Sorry for leading you down this path. It looked so promising!
Yes, @Anthony
 
Wowe
 
@MikeMiller have you actually met rob in person?
 
Nope
 
now that would be a treat :-)
treat honor
 
Does anyone know where the name completely regular came from?
I assumed it was a play on normal, but I can't seem to find the relation...
Is it through Urysohn?
 
5:13 AM
@MikeMiller Haha, it's cool. It did look like a good method at first, but there are so many disparate criteria that it just kind of falls apart. Maybe a better mathematician than me could do it that way, haha.
 
@Fargle No way! The best mathematician realizes that it's not the smartest approach and moves on.
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@MikeMiller Well alright, more creative then.

Maybe the isomorphism is easier to construct directly with some weird trick. I'd need to find an order four element of $\Bbb C[\Bbb Z_2 \oplus \Bbb Z_2]$.
Or, wait, no. I'd need to find something, but I need to think for a second for what I'm looking for.
I need an order-four element whose powers are linearly independent.
 
5:49 AM
:O e^(π√163) falls short of an integer (namely 262,537,412,640,768,744) by less than .000000000001.
 
yup
there's a reason for it, too
 
which is?
 
That page actually explains why that ISN'T a mathematical coincidence. I like it.
 
This page is blowing my mind.
 
How do I make my own room?

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How do I describe my spanning tree non-pictorially?

Do I just say $iedchjfga$ and $cb$ for example?(There is a walk going across all those vertices, and then just one path from $cb$ outside of that
 
6:26 AM
@Anthony thanks :)
 
6:50 AM
I advocate that people use the respective sub-mathematics chat rooms
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Especially since when you log into them, they all stack up on the right showing you the latest message, and allowing you to click into any instantly.
 
7:09 AM
@IceBoy key : modular forms, class numbers, heegner-stark theorem
it's pretty sophisticated, the connection
the whole point is that $e^{\pi \sqrt{163}}$ appears as a term in the expansion of a special (very special! at least more interesting that the polylogs...) function $j(\tau)$ at $\tau = (1+\sqrt{-163})/2$. it turns out that at this particular value, $j$ evaluates to an integer and on the other hand the series terms of $j$ grow very quickly. Thus the coincidence.
 
@IceBoy YAY :D the exam went good ;) i only lost 6 marks ;) others went perfect ;) that's a 94% :D
 
now as to if it is merely a coincidence that $j(\tau)$ at that particular point is an integer... it is not.
 
@BalarkaSen thanks for the overview pal
that is great news, congrats :D @TheArtist
 
$j$ is rather intimately connected to quadratic algebraic numbers (algebraics of degree 2). it is know that $j(\tau)$ is algebraic iff $\tau$ is a CM. in fact the degrees can be explicit determined. there is a finite list of numbers $\tau$ such that $j(\tau)$ is an integer actually.
in fact this even relates to the fact why $n^2 + n + 41$ generates so many consecutive primes.
the theory's pretty deep. holds out a lot of coincidences together.
@IceBoy np. i have never seriously studied that much algebraic number theory to understand class numbers that welll though
:P
 
sounds...fascinating
in a theoretical sort of way
have you @BalarkaSen read this book?
if so, would you recommend it?
 
7:27 AM
@TedShifrin Oh, I see. Then it's clear that the directional derivative is linear since dot product is bilinear. Muahaha. I now get the entire thread. Thanks!
 
@IceBoy Thank you so much :D
 
:-)
 
7:49 AM
Does anyone know any graph theory here?
I would love to ask some questions
 
hi, i have a simulink model in which i am using the Model block to pass data to another model. When I try and run the simultion, I get the error: Cannot change the dimensions of run-time parameter 'Gain' in 'TranslationChannel/First-Order Filter1/Model/Continuous/A' from [1x1] to [0x0] while model is executing. Does anyone know why this may be the case?
 
Hi, everyone. Anyone know of a good Buchberger code for Mathematica?
 
@IceBoy Is there a way to @ tag people into these rooms if they aren't in any chat rooms?
 
@Committingtoachallenge leave a comment on one of their answers/questions asking them
 
8:23 AM
@IceBoy @Committingtoachallenge Im curious about the question I couldn't do , since I don't have the exact question, I can't post it to math stack......so gonna ask it here....first part was to integrate $\int_0^1 e^x(1-x)^4$ and then that is equal to the area know.....they were like show that $\frac{6}{11} < e < \frac{4}{5}$ by lookihg at the area O.o
^^^ the fractions values are made up random values by me coz I can't remember the question, but you get the point...
So my area was 33+2e or soemthing , I can't remember...but it had a term with e and another integer
How can one find the range of $e$ using this ? O.o
 
and then you multiplied $\frac45 * \frac6{11}$ and went wow my area is less than that
Nah I don't know haha, that is hard without the actual question
I haven't before seen that sort of problem
 
@Committingtoachallenge I haven't either... I did all random multiplications :p
 
Are you sure it didn't have any $e$'s in the fractions?
 
@Committingtoachallenge Nope...the correct answer is in integer form
@Committingtoachallenge Nonon I mean no
@Committingtoachallenge it was normal fractions like 6/11 etc
haha i felt like writing the calculator value of e and showing that's in beteeen the range :p but then they will think im mad
@Committingtoachallenge are you from the UK?
 
Australia Brisbane, why is that?
 
8:32 AM
@Committingtoachallenge oh I love that place :) been there :)
 
It is quite nice :)
I want to travel to Europe at some point aswell :)
 
@Committingtoachallenge no because it's an exam taken in UK :) that's why :)
@Committingtoachallenge I love the place called surfer paradise...it's like in Gold Coast
 
Yeah very nearby, I have many long term friends living there and around there
 
@Committingtoachallenge went tandem skydiving in Gold Coast..absolutely best place to live , I love the place
@Committingtoachallenge your lucky :)
 
@TheArtist Wow, was it adrenaline pumping?? I think that would be very fun!
 
8:35 AM
@Committingtoachallenge yes it's very fun and worth it....you will never forget that experience ;) you should go :) I recommend
 
@TheArtist I will for sure haha, my limiting factor at the moment is definitely funding. Living the life of a poor student!
 
@Committingtoachallenge but in australia you can earn a lot from part time jobs
@Committingtoachallenge which univ ? QUT or univ of queensland?
@Committingtoachallenge cool :D
@Committingtoachallenge why removed? :p
@Committingtoachallenge :p
 
Nah I am doing university long distance
 
@Committingtoachallenge how are jobs there for math graduates?
 
Very good supposedly, but I am not a graduate yet. I do plan to do postgrad studies
 
Ale
8:41 AM
Hello everybody!
 
Hi!
 
Hello glass of Ale!
 
Ale
:D
Do I bother you if i ask something about group theory?
 
We may not be able to answer it
You seem to be above me in Algebra, so none of the people active can probably answer
 
Ale
Ok, thank you however :D
Have a nice day! I have a lecture right now, by!
 
8:44 AM
Bye, have fun, goodluck!
 
:)
@Committingtoachallenge wot about jobs after undergrad? Any idea of the opportunities ?
 
You can get a license and teach high school
 
@user130018 I've heard that :) but is it easy to get licensed?
 
@TheArtist Yes
 
@user130018 :) ok thanks :)
 
8:56 AM
I am reading some notes and they want to determine if function $\arctan \frac{1}{x}$ is continuous or not. And they say okay $dom(f)=(-\infty, 0) \cup (0, +\infty)$ and then they evaluating $\lim_{x \to 0+}$ and $\lim_{x \to 0-}$ and then say $\lim_{x \to 0+} \neq \lim_{x \to 0-}$ so function is NOT continuous at zero. I think that are wrong! As far I remember we don't check continuity of function at zero because $0 \notin dom(f)$. Who is right?
 
hi, i have a simulink model in which i am using the Model block to pass data to another model. When I try and run the simultion, I get the error: Cannot change the dimensions of run-time parameter 'Gain' in 'TranslationChannel/First-Order Filter1/Model/Continuous/A' from [1x1] to [0x0] while model is executing. Does anyone know why this may be the case?
 
@Cortizol If your topological space is really $(-\infty,0)\cup(0,+\infty)$, then it is continuous. However, people often extend the function to be something at $0$ so that they can use the properties of the topological space $\mathbb{R}$.
 
Topological space
 
@robjohn Yes, I know. But here we work with original function, not with some extension $\hat{f}$ or similar. So, we don't argue about continuity in zero.
 
@Cortizol just as long as you say what topological space you are working in.
 
9:07 AM
@robjohn Well, if I working with $\mathbb{R}$ I must say what is $f(0)$, but they don't.
 
9:19 AM
@robjohn Do you know how to prove $a=b$, if $(b+c)\sin \frac{A}2=(a+c)\sin\frac{B}2$. :/
ABC is a triangle.
 
9:39 AM
@robjohn
 
Hello!
Anyone know if you can pass nonlinear functions of conditioned variables through conditional expectation?
 
 
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11:00 AM
@Sawarnik This is an isosceles triangle, no?
@Sawarnik You can use the Law of Sines, along with the fact that two angles cannot be supplementary if none of the angles is $0$ to show that $A=B$
 
11:23 AM
@robjohn Im curious about the question I couldn't do in my exam today , since I don't have the exact question, I can't post it to math stack......so gonna ask it here....first part was to integrate $\int_0^1 e^x(1-x)^4$ and then that is equal to the area know.....they were like show that $\frac{6}{11} < e < \frac{4}{5}$ by lookihg at the area O.o
^^^ the fractions values are made up random values by me coz I can't remember the question, but you get the point...
So my area was 33+2e or soemthing , I can't remember...but it had a term with e and another integer
 
What is this talking about?
Weren't convex equilateral polyhedra studied a long time ago?
 
@TheArtist I get the integral is $24e-65$
since the integral is less than $e\int_0^1(1-x)^4\,\mathrm{d}x=e/5$
we can say that $0\le24e-65\le e/5$
which means $\frac{65}{24}\le e\le\frac{325}{119}$
 
11:38 AM
@TheArtist how old are you?
@robjohn is there an easier way than expanding and integrating by parts 4 times to evaluate the integral?
 
@UserX There are formulas for integrating monomials, but they are too hard to remember, so I just integrate by parts.
 
@robjohn link to the formulas?
 
@UserX I don't have a link. You can figure them out by integrating by parts and remembering
 
Yea I guess
 
$$\int x^ne^x\,\mathrm{d}x=(x^n-nx^{n-1}+n(n-1)x^{n-2}-n(n-1)(n-2)x^{n-3}+\dots)e^x+C$$
 
11:49 AM
@robjohn If we note $\phi_0(x)=\phi(x),\phi_{k+1}(x)=\phi(x\phi_k(x))$, what can be said of the sets of functions verifying $\exists k\in\mathbb{N}^*,\forall x\in\mathbb{R},\phi(x)=\phi_k(x)$ ?
@robjohn Can we even say that $\forall\phi\in\mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{R}},\forall x\in\mathbb{R},\exists k\in\mathbb{N}^*,\phi(x)=\phi_k(x)$ ?
 
@Hippalectryon I would doubt that
 
Then what can we say of the set of functions verifying that last property ? :D
 
I don't know. Where did this come from?
 
A dream I had this morning :c
I was dreaming I was on a mock oral exam and I had an exercise
On the paper there was something about $$\phi(x_1)+\phi(x_2)+...+\phi(x_1\phi(x_1))+\phi(x_2\phi(x_2)+...$$
Unfortunately I woke up before seeing the whole paper :c
But I wrote down on paper what I remembered, and it's been bugging me this morning
@robjohn Mad story uh :)
 
@Hippalectryon Ah..
 
12:11 PM
@robjohn can you help me in an easy program?
 
I don't know unless you ask...
 
If there is a video club that has a policy like this;per month movies; 1-5:1,2 eur, 6-12: ,9 eur, 12-19:0,6 eur, 20+:0,4 eur how do I program it's billing?
I write some intro commands, then if 1-5 movies, price=#ofmovies*1,2, if 6-12 movies #ofmovies*.9 etc
(That's an extremely simplified pseudo-code)
But the billing isn't monthly, so if someone buys 5 movies today and a 6th tommorow, he'll get billed 6*0.9=5.4 eur for his sixth movie!
How do I fix that?
My only idea is to write 20 different "if" commands, but that's probably not what this exercise is about
 
hi @robjohn I souldn't have used the word "opinion"
shouldn't
 
12:31 PM
@robjohn hmmmmm :/ I got the integral correct :) I just didn't kno how to find the inequality :/
@UserX im 19
 
@Hippalectryon Mad, yes.
 
@robjohn your smart :)
 
12:47 PM
@robjohn How really should I use it? Should I replace the sides with sines, but then .. :/
 
@UserX the easiest way is to form a reduction formula
@UserX it's too simple then :)
 

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