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12:03 AM
Hello everyone. Does anyone have some sort of intuitive idea about what a presheaf is? I'm doing the Yoneda lemma in class and I've still not really got a way to think about presheaves.
 
@Alyosha On a category or on a space?
 
Categories.
 
Do you know the notion of a presheaf on a space?
 
I've vaguely heard of them in Riemann surfaces, but not really.
 
Does the term Riemannian surface mean a Riemann surface or a Riemannian 2-manifold, lol.
 
12:09 AM
This is the context it's most natural to me in. It's simply a presheaf on the poset category of open sets of a space (with a single morphism $U \to V$ if $U \subset V$.) In this case, the way to think of it (IMO) is as local data; one has a set assigned to each open set, and an inclusion/refinement map when passing to a smaller open set...
 
@mike Can you answer my question?
 
Ex: the sheaf of continuous functions on a topological space.
I like to think of the categorical notion as simply a very powerful generalization.
@Jasper I use it to mean the latter. Usually when someone is talking about Riemannian 2-manifolds it's clear from context.
 
Are covering maps in AT an example of presheaves/sheaves?
And, if so, in what sense?
I feel like I'm getting a somewhat better grasp of these things.
 
I can't think of a way in which they are.
 
Presheaves of discrete spaces.
 
12:18 AM
Sorry?
You mean covering spaces are such or discrete spaces are a good way to think about (pre) sheaves?
 
Covering spaces are presheaves of discrete spaces. Unless I'm overlooking something, sheaves, even.
 
@DanielF In what way? Can you be more explicit?
 
@MikeMiller To every $U\subset B$, assign the set $\Gamma(U)$ of sections of $\pi$ over $U$, $\Gamma(U) = \{ s\colon U\to E : s\text{ continuous }, \pi\circ s = \operatorname{id}_U\}$.
Where $\pi \colon E\to B$ is the covering map.
With the obvious restriction maps.
 
Ah, right, the sheaf of sections. But I would hesitate to call covering spaces sheaves in and of themselves... perhaps because I'm weak-willed :)
 
I got so many upvotes yesterday that even if the serial ones were removed, I would still have capped.
 
12:26 AM
@MikeMiller Well, I wouldn't think of them as sheaves usually. The other way round more, a sheaf is sort-of a covering (not quite in the topology sense), at least if well-behaved.
 
Mm. Of course, even sheaves on a space needn't behave well, much less presheaves, much less presheaves on an arbitrary category!
 
I behave well.
 
Are you a presheaf?
 
So as presheaves$\subset$ sheaves, what is the functor, $\mathcal{C}^{op}$ and subcat of $\text{Set}$ in the covering spaces example?
 
No, I am a lunatic.
 
12:31 AM
Sorry, but it's not obvious to me (I'm new, spare me!).
 
@Alyosha The functor here is $\Gamma$. We assign each open set $U$ to the set of sections of $\pi$ over $U$. Now, if $V \subset U$, then each section over $U$ restricts to a section over $\pi$. This is what $\Gamma$ does to maps.
 
@TedShifrin What do you think of Dubrovin, Fomenko and Novikov's Modern Geometry?
 
@MikeMiller Aha, thank you!
 
It's got eclectic interesting stuff, lots of topology.
 
I have to admit I don't have a very strong intuition for general presheaves; they're just functors, I don't really see how to get more out of it than that. In that case my understanding is heavily influenced by Yoneda.
 
12:34 AM
But less straight diff geo ...
 
@MikeMiller All sheaves are sheaves of germs of holomorphic or meromorphic functions. [Others are uninteresting.] These are sufficiently well-behaved.
 
@TedShifrin I almost used it in place of the Lee trilogy, lol.
 
Tell an algebraic geometer that!
 
Haha @DanielF
Totally different ... Not comparable
 
@MikeMiller Sorry, my French isn't good enough to do that.
 
12:35 AM
Hahaha
We've got a wide variety of origins for the algebraic geometers here. German, French, Russian, French, English, French...
 
I know 1+1=2 and 1 inch = 2. 54 cm. Therefore, I know algebra and geometry. Therefore, I am an algebraic geometer. QED.
Thanks for starring my messages. I love stars.
 
Don't thank me. I don't star anymore on principle.
 
It is well known that I never star anything in chat.
It is also well known that I do not cast any downvotes on SE. My current accounts at least.
 
huh
equivalent to arzela-ascoli: "every subset of $\Bbb R$ is separable"
 
I still cannot believe I got so many upvotes yesterday.
There can be miracles when you believe.
 
12:46 AM
I wish I got upvotes :/
 
@TedShifrin Hatcher's books are down... have been since yesterday.
 
I now have 3 wishes. (1) Solve my mental problems. (2) Go to grad school in the US. (3) Find a job in academia in the US. I hope they all come true. Pray for me.
 
I think 2 and 3 are possible
 
@usukidoll Your wish just came true.
 
WOO!
 
12:50 AM
@usukidoll There can be miracles when you believe.
 
I can sure use upvotes for my recent questions XD
 
There is something called serial upvoting, which will be detected and removed.
 
oh o-o
 
@DanielFischer what's that # that appears at my url bar when I use a javascript a page has?
 
lol
every single math professor at cornell has lost their webpage
 
12:59 AM
xD
 
Do all of you like my colour? It is called "blue".
 
1+1=? Anyone?
Joking, hello everyone :)
 
Bad joke, but hi. 1+1=0 in the field of 2 elements.
 
Agreed, such a bad joke. I almost feel ashamed.
 
2:00 AM
@alizter Are you still here?
 
kind of
 
@Alizter I will send you an email in one minute.
 
ok
 
Now Alizter knows one of my secrets, LOL.
Hey @robjohn how was dinner?
 
good night jasper
 
2:11 AM
@Alizter See you in your dreams.
 
2:21 AM
@JasperLoy That might be his nightmare...
 
@robjohn LOL. I am sorry, I can't share my secret with you, lol.
 
@JasperLoy I didn't even know you had a secret.
 
@robjohn I have several, lol.
 
@JasperLoy why can't you share them? Are you selfish?
 
@robjohn I might when I am ready, lol.
@robjohn I would like to ask you a question. If one day you had to do something morally right to help others, yet it is illegal and you could be jailed or fined or blacklisted and monitored by the authorities, what would you do?
 
2:25 AM
If I had to do it, that leaves little choice.
 
@robjohn What I mean is, how would you decide whether to do it or not?
I have been wanting to do something for many years. Recently, I have been thinking a lot about it again.
 
These things can only be decided at the moment. Of course, there is the question of why it is illegal if it is morally right.
 
@robjohn Will you agree with me that to a large extent, it is about how much punishment you will get vs how much benefit it may bring others?
 
@JasperLoy To some degree, however, I think it is more of a spontaneous decision. If you put it to a thought out decision, it becomes more of a pragmatic decision and will usually come out to be more self-serving.
 
Hey, quick question.
If, say, you had C as the complex numbers and G as a group, what would C[G] denote?
 
2:32 AM
@robjohn Thank you for your response. I will ask some more people about it (telling them the details which I won't share in this chat) and then make a decision. If I disappear one day from this chat, you know I have gone to jail.
 
@JasperLoy One must also think if they would survive in jail
 
@robjohn Exactly. Hence it is a difficult decision I need to make.
 
I need to not skip lecture so much. I miss a lot of notational stuff, including this particular thing.
 
2:46 AM
I don't mean to be spammy, but does anybody know what the notation F[G] means when F is a field and G is a set (maybe necessarily a group, I don't know)?
 
It doesn't make sense to me when $G$ is a set. If $G$ is a group, it denotes the group algebra.
 
Okay, that looks like what I'm looking for. Thank you!
 
No problem! What's the context, out of curiosity?
 
A problem in my algebra class: Let G denote a finite group and let n denote the number of conjugacy classes of G. Show that the center of C[G] has dimension n as a vector space over the complex numbers.
 
Ah, fun.
 
2:56 AM
It's a little over my head right now. I need to just stare at it. It seems like staring at it always helps eventually; the intuition comes out of thin air, and then seems obvious. Ah, but that's just math.
 
Well, over time I think the intuition becomes a little finer than that, but yes. I like it!
 
Rings seem easier to deal with than groups, to me. Is that a common sentiment?
I'd assume so because it's less abstract, but now you're mucking with distributivity without guaranteed multiplicative commutativity, so there's weirder algebraic manipulation. Maybe it balances out.
 
They become hard in their own way... but conceptually, I think they're nicer.
(Ideals are easier for me to think about than normal subgroups, for instance.)
 
Oh, yeah, definitely. Although I think I gained something of an intuition for normal subgroups.
Maybe I'm wrong, however--I'm sure there are implicit notions I'm missing that may not hold for certain groups!
 
In both cases, I think the easiest way to think about them are "Normal subgroups/ideals are the kernels of homomorphisms". It's just that the standard definition of ideal is a lot simpler than the standard definition of normal subgroup!
 
3:05 AM
Oh yeah! Absorption by multiplication is a lot easier to understand than "commutes with everything".
 
3:28 AM
anyne here?
 
I am.
 
In theory
 
If we were concerned with in practice we'd be engineers, not mathematicians, I suspect.
 
quite
 
Everything's better in theory
 
3:38 AM
It's a nicer system. It's harder to hold in your head, but it leads to something resembling truth, and truth is nice.
 
3:54 AM
Not sure where to put this, but I just wanted to thank the MSE community for how much knowledge it's brought me. Without it I would not be anywhere as knowledgable at math as I am right now.
Taking the Math Subject GRE made me realize how much I learned from here.
 
It is a really great and supportive community with a lot of knowledgeable people. :) Hope your GRE went well. What are you hoping to go to grad school for?
 
@datalava I want to go into PDEs
I find them to be incredibly interesting
 
@DanZimm What sources do you recommend for learning some PDE? I want to learn some, but have no background in PDE theory itself (but plenty in other areas of analysis).
 
pdes are hell bro
I'm in one right now
7 more weeks with this garbage and I'm done... seriously no way will I continue this
 
@usukidoll you're in one? What's that mean?
in a class?
 
4:07 AM
for starters the problems are super long and if you make a mistake there goes your paper
yes I am in PDES now
it's hell.. don't do it
stick with odes
 
OH, I see, and I've already taken a couple PDE classes, I enjoy them
 
then you can help me then
because with this book I am dying
 
I've never done PDEs. Had a bad enough time with ODEs myself. But someone's gotta dot it..!
 
do you know how to sketch the periodic extension from -4<x<4 if we have f(x) = abs(x) -1<x<1 yeah I'm not using latex but I'm tired
dude odes are fun
 
@MikeMiller if you're just starting out I would suggest studying classical PDEs (you'll see what I mean if you continue to study), I like this book: amazon.com/Partial-Differential-Equations-Walter-Strauss/dp/…
 
4:09 AM
PDES stands for Possessed and Demonistic Equations
hate them
 
@usukidoll what book are you using?
@usukidoll yes I do
 
Basic Partial Differential Equations by Bleecker and Croscadas (wrong spelling) I hate that book
yo man do you have skype? If so, please tutor me in this stuff!!!!!! >________<
 
iirc just find the fourier series of $\lvert x \rvert$ and voilla
 
oh I see we have two situations due to the abs x
 
heh I'm not sure I have time to tutor, taking other classes myself
 
4:10 AM
Thanks for the tip!
 
-x or x fourier series on each one
and then graph?
come onnnnnnnnn
plzzzzzzzzzz help me with this devil subject
 
@MikeMiller no problem, the somewhat canonical PDE book is over here: amazon.com/Partial-Differential-Equations-Graduate-Mathematics/…
I really enjoy that one
@usukidoll arg, it's been a while, gimme a sec
/me doesn't work with classical PDEs anymore
oop this isn't irc
 
What background does it assume?
If you want to italicize, put your text in asterisks
 
shakes the pde lover pllzzzz onegai shimasu plzzz
 
* like so *
 
4:12 AM
@MikeMiller sec lemme get it out
 
or at least give an email or something ... this site needs more pde tutors... like if I post in Number THeory I get an answer in 5 minutes
 
also @usukidoll just find the fourier series of $\lvert x \rvert$ on $[-1,1]$, note that it's even so you'll only need the cosine series
 
because sine will be 0 at the end after doing integration by parts anti derivative integration right?
so how do I graph this thing
with magic?
 
@MikeMiller I think if you are solid in multivariable calc and somewhat proficient in ODEs you can pick it up and do the first couple chapters in the least
that's all you really seem to need for classical PDE theory
for more advanced it would help to know functional analysis and measure theory
and again be very proficient in calculus ;P
@usukidoll yes, you can also view it by seeing $\lvert x \rvert$ is an even function and $\sin$ is odd, so to make up $\lvert x \rvert$ you won't have any terms in the $\sin$ series. You can graph it with mathematica
I mean if you're looking at just the periodic extension you literally "copy" the graph over and over to your extended interval
 
so how do I do Fourier Cosine Series with the heat equation and Duhamel's Principal
 
r9m
4:19 AM
@Chris'ssis even Ron Gordonma used the same thing ... guess it can't be avoided !! :O
 
@DanZimm Yeah, I've got the background then, minus the ODE, which shouldn't be too hard to pick up, I imagine.
 
@MikeMiller no you should be good
@usukidoll argh it's been a while, all I recall is you find the homogenous solutions then use Duhamel's Principal to find the inhomogeneous solution
 
do you know pde proofs @DanZimm
 
Have any of you ever done combinatorial matrix theory?
 
I dunno what that means. So I probably haven't.
 
4:26 AM
I'm trying to decide whether to take it, as it's being offered next semester
 
Well, I guess the first question is whether you're interested
 
what about the strum louieville theory @DanZimm
 
Hmm, interested and intimidated. The thing is, I'm not a PhD student, and I'm not even in the math department, but the professor of the phd level matrix class I'm in right now thinks I should take it (cause I'm doing well in his class)
I like to be challenged, so I will probably take it, since my other choices for my schedule are all things I took as an undergrad. I was just curious about what to expect
 
@usukidoll what do you mean by proofs? also not off the top of my head but I have learned it
 
:/
dude you know more than I do on these things T___T
Do you have skype @DanZimm?
 
4:32 AM
No, sorry
 
email ? @DanZimm
 
@usukidoll I'm sorry mate, but I really don't usually have time to tutor - today's different than usual
 
awww D:
 
What is everyone's area of expertise here? Besides Dan, of course.
 
I'm actually an educator
Would like to get a higher degree in mathematics some day though
What's yours, @Fargle?
 
4:42 AM
I'm currently in my second year of undergrad, so no specialty yet.
I'm taking abstract algebra, topology, and ODEs II (theory stuff) right now.
 
@Fargle I'm hardly an expert there, I know what I know and I don't what I don't, which happens to be quite a lot. I'm an undergrad too (hopefully grad in a year)
 
What do you like so far?
 
Me?
 
Yes
 
I really enjoy algebra, like, a lot.
 
4:46 AM
I always liked it too. First semester of abstract algebra was probably the most fun class
 
It's neat to see the gears turning behind algebraic systems, from matrices to functions to sets to numbers, and see that they're all very similar mechanisms with different, characterizing properties.
 
It's a notoriously difficult field to go into though.
 
@datalava all fields are notoriously difficult at this point
 
Oh, yes. I've started looking at some lower-level papers in the subject and it blows my mind a bit.
 
at least IMO
 
4:48 AM
Mathematics is notorious in itself :p
 
heh
 
Topology is fascinating as well. I've taken a particular interest in it.
I think I might eventually like to study knot theory or algebraic topology--both of those because of the influence of my mentor here, Dr. Thistlethwaite.
 
@Fargle I think that would be in my top 3 things to study in grad school
 
Dr. Thistlethwaite is a badass, by the way, as I've come to find. One of the best knot theorists alive, in my opinion.
 
@Fargle I'm partial to Emily Peters
 
4:51 AM
I'm just a kid, so I can't claim to have any specialty yet
but I think I'd like to work in low-dimensional topology
 
low dimensional? O.o which kind of dimensions?
 
low-dimensional topology generally refers to the study of (smooth, often) manifolds of dimension $n \leq 4$
$n \geq 5$ is high-dimensional :)
 
ah /me didn't know this
 
My independent study of textbooks I've obtained over the years has given me an appreciation of some sort for all fields of mathematics.
 
The only reason I have time to be on here is because I have to wait for texlive to download -_-
 
4:54 AM
I think if I do get my phd it will be in matrices/linear algebra
 
So it's really hard to pick a field that I feel I consider myself focused on.
 
is the only analyst here I guess
 
someone's gotta do it!
 
I like analysis a lot! I'm just not very deep into it. I know some things about metric spaces, but I'm by no means an expert.
 
As I say.
 
4:55 AM
I probably should learn some more.
 
Analysis is in everything though.
 
so is algebra ;P
 
I'd like to obtain as broad and deep a basis as possible in my undergraduate years. I can take 3 math classes a semester all the way until I graduate, and I'll graduate in four years, so I can have intro grad-level knowledge of every subfield taught at my school.
 
good luck on not burning out - I know I am after doing that
 
That's a great attitude, Fargle.
 
4:57 AM
sorry, that was harsh, didn't mean to be harsh
 
It seems to me like a lot of the developments in mathematical history have been those that marry and/or blur the lines between two or more subfields of math.
Not most, but a lot.
 
e.g. algebraic topology
 
I went to a liberal arts school and started my math major late, so my basis on some things is shaky at best
 
The Fundamental Theorem of Algebra, for example, requires something that's not algebra. Hence "neither fundamental nor a theorem of algebra".
 
@Fargle how do you figure it requires something that's not algebra
 
4:59 AM
There are purely algebraic proofs of the fundamental theorem of algebra
 
^++
 
Ah, true.
 
My favorite ones aren't, though
 
Yeah. The easy, pretty ones are analytical or topological.
 
I prefer the hard pretty ones :)
 
5:00 AM
I understand that completely.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:04 AM
Is the NewScientist a good source?
 
dunno
why do you ask?
 
7:54 AM
Hmm. These algebra problems are real thinkers.
 
8:38 AM
Greetings
 
Hello.
 
@r9m it can be totally avoided ... you only see the light. Loot at my answer here
What the heck happens? I cannot post any link?
 
9:26 AM
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Q: Closed form of $\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\log(x)}{\cosh(x) \sec(x)- \tan(x)} \ dx$

Chris's sisWhat real analysis tools would you recommend me for getting the closed form of the integral below? $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\log(x)}{\cosh(x) \sec(x)- \tan(x)} \ dx$$

@r9m ^^
 
9:46 AM
@Chris'ssis how did you find that result?
 
@UserX By making use of some personal research.
 
@Chris'ssis shouldn't that be shared as well?
 
@UserX It will be shared in my book.
 
A Practical and Complete Theoretical Guide to Series and Integrals
 
@IceBoy :D
 
9:56 AM
I dare you to get Sonnhard to peer-review your book @Chris'ssis
 
@UserX Who is Sonnhard?
 
When is the book being released?
 
10:55 AM
I've just created a new question ...
Find the beautiful closed form of $$\int_0^{\infty}\frac{2^{x+1} \sin(x)}{1+2^{2x}+2^{x+1} \cos(x)} \ dx $$
 
@Chris'ssis You can rewrite that as an element in $\bar{\Bbb Q}[\pi, e, C, \phi, \log 2]$
You know, algebraic numbers extended by loads of constants
I bet that is the closed form
;)
 
@Alizter $$\int_0^{\infty}\frac{2^{x+1} \sin(x)}{1+2^{2x}+2^{x+1} \cos(x)} \ dx=\frac{2\log(2)}{1+\log^2(2)}$$
 
I was right!
ish
 
11:18 AM
How do the nested logs come up in modern number theory dealing with prime gaps?
 
@UserX They provide a lower bound
The derivation is from fermat numbers $2^{2^x}$ and playing with $e$, $e^{e^x}$
 
@UserX Growth results. They are bound to come up.
 
Hi @BalarkaSen
 
How are you?
 
11:28 AM
so-so.
 
Have you studied sets that are clopen and osed yet?
 
caught up cold a few days ago
@Alizter sure
i have studied baire.
 
I made osed up but yeah
 
however prof just explained geometric group theory
 
@BalarkaSen well...
 
11:29 AM
so i am dangling in between algebra and topology more like
 
haha
algebraic topology?
 
nope
 
that is too hard
 
it's geometric group theory.
 
@BalarkaSen Like Ted wrote?
 
11:30 AM
@alizter ?
 
Ted has a book called Geometric introduction to group theory or something
 
not sure.
@Alizter the essence of geometric group theory is that every finitely generated group can be realized as metric space
cool stuff
 
@BalarkaSen Oh?
You have already been swimming in metric spaces recently anyway?
 
@Alizter yes, look at Cayley graphs
 
@BalarkaSen I have seen this.
 
11:39 AM
@Alizter it takes little point-set topology to understand Cayley graphs, really.
 
@BalarkaSen I read about these when studying groups. I only knew what a graph was.
 
@Alizter if one assigns the edges a fixed length then the metric comes up naturally
@Alizter they are pretty fun.
 
@BalarkaSen Where is your prime number theorem post on MHB ?
I have great difficulty navigating on that site.
I might as well ask for it while you are here.
 
@Alizter you mean the one on riemann hypothesis?
 
@BalarkaSen Yes.
 
11:43 AM
i believe it is linked on number theory chat on the starboard somewhere
 
@BalarkaSen Ah thank you :)
@BalarkaSen I have 200 rep on English.SE :P
 
... guess that's a great deal of achievement =P
 
Hello @Semiclassical
 
11:59 AM
Wow, the tagged messages are getting weirder and weirder.
 

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