The Bridge

Scootaloo

09:00

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I think 4chan gets more credit than it deserves a lot of the time. For memes amongst other things.

user15026

@badp that sounds like me whenever I try to read or understand homestuck.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Scootaloo Oh, sure. Overgeneralization, you know

badp

@AshleyNunn Oh, but Homestuck is supposed to be a mindfuck. Especially now that Hussie's started retconning things.

kalina

oh no, the sun has appeared and is sending me to bed

badp

4chan seems more like a screaming competition thing

Scootaloo

09:01

@kalina is alive

user15026

@badp yeah, I know. It just doesn't make sense to me even as a thing that makes no sense.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Scootaloo Some memes really are short lived

kalina

I don't feel very alive

I feel quite tired

badp

@AshleyNunn Oh, but it will make sense in a few thousand pages

user15026

@kalina the clouds finally break?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

09:01

Think gangnam style

kalina

yeah, sun in my face

user15026

@badp I am impatient.

Scootaloo

How can I tell if someone is a male or female without directly asking them over the internet?

kalina

well, they haven't really broken, they've just got really thin

user15026

@scootaloo is this necessary information?

badp

09:02

@AshleyNunn Please imagine some irony in the statement. Of course people are impatient.

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn To me it is.

kalina

@Scootaloo it shouldn't really matter

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Scootaloo On the internet nobody knows you're a ~~dog~~ pony

badp

@AshleyNunn Did you get any farther ahead than when we last talked about it?

user15026

@badp a little. I keep trying but having to start over all the time is a little frustrating

badp

09:03

@AshleyNunn "having to"?

Scootaloo

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Ya.

user15026

@badp yes? I haven't yet found a way to access it without starting over? Unless I am just dumb which is entirely possible.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Oooo, read Unsounded.

Or Heavenly Nostrils.

user15026

@yijiang did you read Red Son? If so, how was it?

badp

@AshleyNunn This is the full list of pages. Hit End, scroll up to the first non-purple link

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Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

09:04

@AshleyNunn Pretty amazing

badp

The website has a "save" link that's supposed to help with this, but it's never worked with me.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

It's like an alternative-alternative universe

user15026

@badp magical. Can you star that so I can find it later?

badp

@AshleyNunn No, I can't star my own messages. Just in case, use the Archive link at the top and pick LOG for Homestuck.

user15026

@yijiang awesome. I might walk to the library on Friday and get my library card and then put it and Maus on hold.

Scootaloo

09:06

@AshleyNunn I starred it.

user15026

@badp oh, duh. My bad.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Heavenly Nostrils: gocomics.com/heavenly-nostrils/2012/04/22, Unsounded: casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch01/ch01_01.html

user15026

@scootaloo thanks. I can't star from here unless someone does it first.

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn np

badp

There's also a map but it's likely too coarse grained for your purposes.

It also hasn't been updated in a year or so

FAE

09:07

Penny Arcade did a great article on transgender experiences in gaming.

@AshleyNunn ^You should check out the above link, it's very heartening to see a site as big as PA do a writeup like this.

user15026

@yijiang I check out those comics when I am not on mobile

Scootaloo

@FAE I never really minded playing as a male or female. Mirror's Edge did feel more fun as a female though.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Scootaloo It's not like Mirror's Edge gave you a choice

Scootaloo

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I know. However I don't think I would have liked the game if the player was a male. It wouldn't feel right.

FAE

@Scootaloo This isn't really focused on "minding" playing female as it is the need for some people to play genders other than the one they were born into in games because it's a way to explore their gender expression without the threat of physical violence.

user15026

09:10

@FAE neat. Nothing I didn't know from my own research and reading, but having Pa do an article on it that is actually well done pleases me immensely.

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn I plead: lazy. I could have done my own research too, but why bother when there is an article in front of me.

FAE

@AshleyNunn Aye, I felt the same. I was especially glad of the terminology clarification.

Scootaloo

In other news:

user15026

@FAE I know for a lot of people gaming is a safe space for a lot of different lifestyle choices and it is nice to see that being recognized. I also like how they explained the terminology because it is so important.

M'vy

hiya

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

09:12

@FAE I did that in Glitch. It was fun-ny, though that was a MMO where the characters have no explicit gender

FAE

@AshleyNunn Also if you haven't seen it, the Gaming in Color Kickstarter is for a documentary exploring queer gaming, both from game and player perspectives.

user15026

@FAE seen it, wish so much I could afford to back.

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn Why do games even require gender to be set? most of the time when playing all you see is an arm or two in first person.

user15026

@scootaloo gender is an implicit expectation.

FAE

@AshleyNunn Yeah, I've had quite a few trans and queer friends throughout the years use gaming as an outlet.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

09:13

@Scootaloo Not all games are first person

user15026

And even hands/arms can imply gender.

user15026

@FAE I know I have used RP as an outlet. Not gaming, per se, but still.

FAE

@AshleyNunn Yeah, likewise.

@AshleyNunn Same offer stands as for the comics anthology.

Scootaloo

I think we're all reading too deep into this. Most games I play (this is me though) are in first person and all I see is a hand with a gun or a sword. Usually I don't notice the gender based on the arm.

badp

@Scootaloo People typically talk to you though.

user15026

09:15

@FAE have I told you lately that you are awesome and incredible? Because you are.

user15026

@scootaloo the game still implies one though

FAE

@AshleyNunn Likewise, pretty lady. <3

user15026

And the conversations are gendered

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn The only game that I think would be bad with female character is TF2.

user15026

@FAE mad blushing

kalina

09:16

@Scootaloo why, exactly?

user15026

@scootaloo why?

Scootaloo

I think I've set something bad off here... I think I'll just stop while I'm ahead.

badp

It probably doesn't fit in the theme of rugged mercenaries in the '50s

that's all I can come up with

FAE

@Scootaloo Gender still exists as a construct that colors how society interacts with you. As such, when it's applied in games, often, the same expectations that are present in society are implied in games, and not all of those expectations are fair.

user15026

@scootaloo to make it clear, I am asking out of pure curiosity, not judgement. I just like to know what other people think.

user15026

09:17

@FAE this. You say these things so much better than I can.

FAE

@badp I've heard people make the argument about hitboxes, which I think is still a bit of a weaksauce objection.

kalina

@FAE the hitbox argument is a classic

badp

Honestly this stuff is very much an open problem and as long as women are underrepresented in the industry, it's going to continue to stink I'm afraid

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

at least it has some basis in reality

Scootaloo

09:18

@kalina You mean two spheres in near the chest?

kalina

since some older games do actually have that problem

user15026

@yijiang that picture makes me hungry

kalina

@Scootaloo no I mean shorter and thinner

badp

@kalina Quake 3 had female models no problem, though... which is not exactly helping here, given what those models were.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn That's my avatar sleeping on the cake

kalina

09:19

@badp Quake 2's female models had smaller hitboxes though

badp

Oh, I only played Quake 2 single player.

user15026

@yijiang awesome! Cake nap looks like best nap.

Scootaloo

@kalina That is the worst argument I've ever heard... height variates from person to person.

kalina

didn't really matter so much because it didn't have separate hitboxes for different body parts

@Scootaloo it's a true story

badp

@Scootaloo Average height being a tad lower for women is, AFAIK, a fact.

(All models in Quake 3 have the same hitbox, btw, which is why people in competitive all use the same few enemy models)

kalina

09:20

indeed they do

Scootaloo

@kalina I am pretty sure in games like TF2 the engineer has the smallest hit box while Heavy has the largest one.

user15026

I know games will never be able to take every relationship style into account (seriously if I can ever be a bi poly person or heck even reliably female it would be miraculous) it still it would be nice.

kalina

and also doesn't have separate hitboxes for head/etc

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Glitch was such a strange game. Avatars had no explicit gender. The female:male player ratio is 70:30, and I know of at least half a dozen player who created genderbend avatars

FAE

@AshleyNunn Indeed.

badp

09:21

@Scootaloo The smallest hitbox is the scout's isn't it?

kalina

@AshleyNunn I did have a relationship with the entire Normandy crew by editing my save

user15026

@kalina nicely done.

Scootaloo

@badp I thought that the smallest was either the scouts or the engineers.

kalina

it was too much upkeep

and it demonstrated that Liara wasn't that good of a shadowbroker

Scootaloo

Anyway here is this to show the Heavy clearly has a bigger one than the engie:

kalina

09:21

since she didn't notice

Scootaloo

user15026

@kalina yeah keeping all those people happy and relationships all not exploding would be a lot of work k

Scootaloo

Also there is this: wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Hitscan

user15026

@kalina love made her blind maybe? :p

FAE

@kalina She didn't notice a lot of stuff.

kalina

09:23

@AshleyNunn maybe

@FAE also true

incidentally, femshep + tali results in all of the romance lines being subtitles with no audio

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn youtube.com/watch?v=fWNaR-rxAic thank me or shoot me later.

FAE

@AshleyNunn Especially in a relatively small ship to live in, haha.

badp

@Scootaloo Well obviously the heavy has the biggest hitbox.

Actually.

@kalina what did you use for enemy models in Quake 3?

Scootaloo

@badp Or maybe the Demoman does?

badp

I used Tank Jr because he's so loud

kalina

09:24

@badp klesk

user15026

@fae yeah that would add an element of difficulty. Not having any SOs in my apartment works for me. :p

Scootaloo

I think the Heavy or the Demoman has the largest one. The Demoman is very broad looking... one sec.

kalina

or the girl on rollerblades

depending on my mood

user15026

@scootaloo not sure why you linked me call me maybe

kalina

because I thought was hilarious that she did the splits every time she jumped

Scootaloo

09:26

@badp fun fact: the Demoman has the same hit box as the "Sentry Buster"

@AshleyNunn Hmm?

@* Nite.

kalina

nn

badp

@Scootaloo The sentry buster is a demoman wielding a ullapool caber. Have you ever registered a replay in MvM?

user15026

@scootaloo you linked me to a YouTube video of call me maybe in a reply and I am trying to figure out why this is a thing that happened.

kalina

I should sleep but I am not mentally tired

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn It's nothing. :)

user15026

09:29

Anyway, gonna try to get 4 more hours of sleep so tomorrow can be productive in a normal people way.

user15026

Well, today.

user15026

@kalina sleep is good for you!

kalina

@AshleyNunn me sleeping is good for everybody else

user15026

@scootaloo mmkay I am just easily confused

user15026

@kalina only if you get grumpy without skeeps

kalina

09:30

@AshleyNunn he wants you to call him, maybe?

user15026

Sleep

kalina

@AshleyNunn I am grumpier without food

but I get grumpy after ~50 hours without sleep

FAE

@AshleyNunn Sleep well and dream sweet!

badp

poor sweet sweet sweet sweet sweet sweet sweet sweet ~~Nepeta~~ Kalina

user15026

@kalina oooooh intrigue

kalina

09:30

and I become completely intolerable after ~70

user15026

@FAE thanks, pretty lady

badp

Good night Ashley

kalina

nn @AshleyNunn

the sun is desperately trying to force me to bed

I guess there is only one way to resolve this problem

...get a laptop

fredley

@kalina Yup. Get something cheap and VNC your main computer

user43095

@Unionhawk Solars?

kalina

09:34

the other solution would be to configure one of these abandoned routers to serve as a wifi access point and use my ipad

which is the one that I should probably do

badp

chat on an iPad?

kalina

via rdp obviously

and... I've attained 24/7 chat activity again

badp

ewwwwrgh

kalina

well, on one graph anyway, the other shows a dip at 6am

nope! that's it, defeated by the sun

nn o/

badp

"night"

fredley

09:54

explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Time

badp

@fredley three more days still?

fredley

@badp Does anyone know when it will end?

Lazers

0

Q: Phantom Lancer illusions use auras?

Does Phantom Lancer's illusions use aura's, like from Vladamir's? Does the lifesteal contribute to PL's health? Do they use aura armor reduction? I'm also curious about Desolation armor reduction, or do the PL illusions only do damage?

dota-2

0

Q: XBox 360 or PS3

I'm trying to figure out what will be best according to my gaming needs So I thought its good to ask all gamer out here I play FIFA and GTA most. Also I would like that if my frnds comes to my place i should be able to play games like Boxing or any other fun game. I think to play with my frnd...

xbox-360 ps3 kinect playstation-move

FAE

10:18

@Lazers Still need a few close votes on this

fredley

10:33

Reviews of hifi based solely on the feel of their volume knobs: knobfeel.co.uk

Lazers

0

Q: Is there a place where i can download the PSVita Content Manager Installer that does not require a net connection

the computer which i have all my images on and has the most space to store a few backups doesn't connect to the internet so i need to find a version of the installer which works totally offline now i did find this site http://cma.dl.playstation.net/cma/win/gb/ but it says During the installa...

ps-vita

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

10:49

Mar 18 at 12:14, by LessPop_MoreFizz

This is a revolution in the reviewing of stereo systems

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone :(

Scootaloo

Morning @fredley

fredley

@Scootaloo Hi

Scootaloo

@fredley Just wondering where is your avatar from? it looks like the steak from Minecraft.

fredley

@Scootaloo It is indeed

Scootaloo

10:56

Why does it look yellow-ish?

This is what it looks like to me:

fredley

@Scootaloo Guess what: I edited it.

Scootaloo

@fredley shocked face

badp

@fredley I love how the cameraman can hardly contain the laughs

Scootaloo

@badp the who?

fredley

@badp I've watched about 20. I'm having a productive morning

@Scootaloo Click the arrow on the left of the reply to scroll to the message it's a reply to

Scootaloo

11:00

Oh ya that.

I miss @kalina and @AshleyNunn they make this place seem more alive.

@fredley @badp not that you two aren't fun :D

fredley

@Scootaloo I play games to have fun. I come to the Bridge to indulge in pedantry.

Scootaloo

Is it a bad thing that I have to look up some words on Google using "define: [unknown word]" or is it good that I am learning?

badp

Guess how many people voted to scramble these teams? Beyond me, that is.

fredley

@badp Not enough I take it

badp

Well obviously

Scootaloo

11:13

@badp I can hardly read anything on that. Unless you were trying to censor them.

badp

click to embiggen

Scootaloo

@badp still tiny and unreadable, but I can still make out the class icons.

@badp unrelated: why are the avatars for the users wide rectangles? for me it is almost always square boxes for the avatars.

badp

@Scootaloo custom hud I suppose?

so more names fit on the board?

and yeah, for some reason Steam screenshots to jpeg :(

At any rate our top scorer has 6 points. The scores for blue should be clearer.

Scootaloo

@badp Well I've used a few custom huds, but most of them don't change the avatar size.

badp

On the following match the team with the two LiK's rolled again and teams were scrambled

The LiK's ended up on opposite teams

Scootaloo

11:19

I'm using EVE hud (code.google.com/p/eve-tf2hud)

badp

A notice on chat said that they tried to reunite but were blocked by the same scrambling plugin

so the same guy disconnected and immediately reconnected to work around that

...and I changed teams to prevent him from team stacking

We still rolled. :/

Scootaloo

@badp Good - don't let the dipwad stack teams.

badp

Obviously on the next map they're again together

and we're getting rolled again

Scootaloo

Whenever I go into a server and find that there is a group I usually leave pretty quickly.

@badp By "rolled" you mean you lost correct?

badp

"We still rolled" is active, so I switched into the winning team

"We're getting rolled" is passive, so I'm on the losing team

against the two clanmates

Obviously, one's a heavy, the other's his pocket medic

It's like, what's the point to play like this?

Scootaloo

11:23

@badp If the medics an idiot using a quick fix then maybe you have a chance.

badp

@Scootaloo nope, reg uber

also I love the quickfix <3

Scootaloo

@badp It's not bad, but a Heavy with 450 health is much harder to beat than one with 300.

badp

oh, lookie, we have no medic

Scootaloo

@badp TBH it is hard to find a good partner when playing medic. A lot of times my partner (the one I'm healing) will act like an idiot.

I hate the morons who choose to taunt when I pop an uber.

@badp could I add you on Steam if you don't mind?

badp

@Scootaloo I don't mind

Scootaloo

11:27

Is your username "badp" like on here? I can't quite make out your username from that screenshot.

It looks like it says "bp".

badp

'bp' is it.

Scootaloo

Well according to Steam "This feature is not available at this time."

I'll restart Steam in a few minutes.

Johann

@Scootaloo the worst is when all the medics think that they can wander around shooting people with the syringe gun

Scootaloo

@Johann Ya people seem to forget the syringe gun is meant for last resort situations.

Johann

@Scootaloo same with melee

Heavy melee is useless unless it is the KGB and you are ubered

badp

11:40

@Scootaloo why use the syringe gun when the Overdose is a thing that exists?

Johann

@badp what does the overdose do again?

Scootaloo

@badp I have that equipped, but I seldom play medic. I mainly play Scout, Spy, Demoman, or Heavy.

Johann

so was the issue with @Retrosaur resolved

Lazers

1

Q: Garry's Mod - Missing Map map/<mapname>

Trying to play Trouble in Terrorist Town. Every time I join a server, the progress bar goes real quick through all the files, and I get "Missing map map/". I tried downloading the map manually and placing it in the maps folder, but that still does not work, because none of the other models/LUA sc...

garrys-mod

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

12:00

1

Scale Models

Proposed Q&A site for scale modellers, creators of plastic scale model cars, aircraft, military, to share expertise on kit building, painting and airbrushing, weathering techniques, modding, conversions, scratchbuilding, and equipment.

Currently in definition.

LessPop_MoreFizz

12:27

hi chat.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz Good afternoon.

Manishearth

hi

badp

heyooooooooooooo

Lazers

0

Q: Minecraft bukkit: how to uninstall a plugin?

This is a general question and not targeted at specific plugins (mods) - please keep it that way. I installed several plugins (copied jars to the plugins folder). I ran the server and some folders were created. I decided to uninstall one of the plugins. I know what jars to delete and I want to...

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LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE moooooooornin.

badp

12:28

@Scootaloo Engie, Spy, Medic, Demojumper, Soldier here

fredley

NOPE is a good bot

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley No it isn't. It be stealin mah thunderrr

badp

@fredley Scale Models isn't a terrible proposal, now.

I doubt it'll launch, but...

fredley

@LessPop_MoreFizz thinkgeek.com/product/374d

@badp It's valid, which is more than can be said of most NOPE proposals, but it's still not good.

LessPop_MoreFizz

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JMS IS MAKING A NEW THING

badp

12:31

@LessPop_MoreFizz SENS8TIONAL

Sconibulus

ow.... the pun... it hurts mah brainz

badp

@Sconibulus Don't read Homestuck. One of the characters does that all the time.

Scootaloo

[done]

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz I guess I'll have to find some way to watch this

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE Subscribe to Netflix when it comes out.

FAE

12:35

@LessPop_MoreFizz I don't get that in my country, hence "some way".

LessPop_MoreFizz

> “We are looking for highly motivated individuals with the right mix of technical, organizational and communication skills to provide localization for the Netflix experience in the following languages: Turkish, Dutch, Hindi, French, and Korean.”

@FAE Coming soon!

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz Woo! Though it will probably be as neutered as Canada's...

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE Probably, but it should have the original content, which is rapidly becoming the most important part.

See: House of Cards, Arrested Development, JMS JMS JMS JMS JMS

FAE

I never saw Babylon 5, but I tend to enjoy the Wachowski siblings' work.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Never seen any of that.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE You should fix that

I strongly suspect that it's right up your alley.

FAE

12:39

Which "it"?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE House of Cards is an original Netflix thing starring Kevin Spacey as a ruthless congressman that just launched earlier this year. It's pretty damned great.

@FAE Babylon 5

Sconibulus

Arrested Development.... soooon....

FAE

@Fluttershy's recommended Arrested Development to Jochem and I, so I may try that at some point. I never knew much about Babylon 5, as it aired on channels I didn't get at the time.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE whoa whoa whoa

FAE

Hm, wiki says space opera, that sounds promising. Jochem's a big space opera fan.

OrigamiRobot

12:41

You haven't seen Arrested Development?

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Never.

All I know about it is Michael Cera is in it.

OrigamiRobot

Unfriended.

FAE

I don't watch much television anymore!

And I tend to dislike watching ongoing series.

OrigamiRobot

42 secs ago, by OrigamiRobot

Unfriended.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE B5 is basically the space opera to end them all.

It was kind of revolutionary at the time in terms of just how heavily serialized it was.

FAE

12:43

@LessPop_MoreFizz I was pretty much completely unaware it was a space opera. I knew it was scifi-y, but I didn't know it fell into that particular genre.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE Babylon 5 is basically the story of a space station stuck in the middle of a massive intergalactic war.

Well, actually several wars.

It was built under the intention of trying to create a kind of interstellar UN with... mixed results.

Sterno

B5 did not age well.

FAE

Ugh, so much tv to watch.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Sterno some things really didn't.

Seasons 2-4 hold up pretty well, cheap cgi aside.

Sterno

I was never a huge B5 fan, but part of what made it good was it was one of the first sci-fi/fantasy TV shows that seemed to be heavily into story arcs.

That's pretty common these days though, so it's lost a lot of that "specialness"

FAE

12:49

If the writing's good, bad CGI doesn't bother me too much, especially from stuff back then

Sterno

Now it's mostly about watching Bruce Boxleitner overact.

I'm betting there are some pretty good B5 drinking games out there, though.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Sterno Also watching Jurasik and Katsulas chew scenery together.

those two basically save the first season before the writing and the serial story 'catch up' in quality.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz "chew scenery"? O_o

badp

@FAE I follow enough Youtube channels to have plenty to watch already

LessPop_MoreFizz

> Chew (up the) scenery means 'to act melodramatically; overact'.

FAE

12:52

@badp This too, yeah.

badp

who cares about television!

FAE

@badp I watch a lot of great educational YT channels that I really enjoy, Jochem as well, so we don't really watch much tv.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Huh, never heard that before, though I was only in theatre in HS, so.

Though Jochem also wants to watch Breaking Bad as well. Too much tv to try to watch, waugh.

It's really hard to try to watch stuff together.

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