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Sconibulus

5:02 PM

Isn't it one game with two modes?

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Even though it's a part of the same game?

@Sconibulus Yes

Michel

@fbueckert 5C~ BUT we doesn't have preparation for cold or hot weather. When i was studying French, all my teachers that were from France or Canada said that was the first time that they felt so much cold. (Our cloths are not as hot as yours too.)

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Well, it's sort of like a platform tag, if we use them both.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert So what would you suggest?

fbueckert

@SaintWacko dwarf-fortress for regular fortress mode.

SaintWacko

5:08 PM

I don't think they should have the same tag, because knowledge of one mode does not at all imply knowledge of the other

fbueckert

And dwarf-fortress-adventure for adventure mode.

Ullallulloo

@fbueckert It's part of Dwarf Fortress, but pretty separate from Fortress mode.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert ...Isn't that how it is?

Ullallulloo

@SaintWacko No, he's saying get rid of the normal df tag on adventure.

fbueckert

@SaintWacko I direct you to some recent re-tagging work:

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Beginning with 0.31.17 you must choose attributes in addition to skills. Which abilities are useful to combat, both melee and ranged?

SaintWacko

5:08 PM

@Ullallulloo OH

Grace Note

@SaintWacko He means that anything with one tag should not have the other.

fbueckert

@GraceNote Unless it addresses both.

Which it very well might, I dunno.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Sorry, I thought you meant destroy dwarf-fortress-adventure completely

Yeah, it doesn't really need both tags

fbueckert

@SaintWacko That was the first thought.

SaintWacko

Although it might be good to specify that the normal tag is for fortress mode

fbueckert

5:10 PM

I haven't really played adventure mode at all, though, so I didn't know it was that different.

SaintWacko

Although I don't think that dwarf-fortress-fortress is good

@fbueckert I haven't either, but I know it's completely different

In adventure mode, you're playing a roguelike

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fbueckert It's an entirely different genre, in a sense

SaintWacko

A very complex roguelike

fbueckert

@YiJiang'sEvilClone So it makes sense to separate the two out then, I think.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Yes, exactly

Ullallulloo

5:11 PM

A dev dc'd in my last MWO game.

fbueckert

Maybe dwarf-fortress-series to encompass questions that address both?

Doesn't sound quite right, though.

Grace Note

In the rare question that affects both, why wouldn't we just use both tags?

fbueckert

@GraceNote Works for me.

I'm just borrowing trouble prior to it hitting us.

Grace Note

Your future borrowing skills are low level. You should train them more.

Powerlord

@OrigamiRobot BoI is eeeeevil.

kalina

5:17 PM

gaming.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/29608

Coronus

@Powerlord If by eeeeevil you mean insanely fun.

kalina

for real?

that edit is definitely pushing the lines of 'not significant enough'

Powerlord

@Coronus if by insanely, you mean not

fbueckert

@kalina Your answer. Your call.

Lazers

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I remember one of my older quest to visit a museum in Dawnstar. Apon arriving I come across a man that will soon tell you about locals having horrific nightmares. And he will soon lead you up in the mountains to an old Dwarven ruin. Inside there is a type of gas 'The Miasma' that has been release...

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kalina

5:18 PM

@fbueckert I don't really care

fbueckert

@kalina Then why'd you bring it up? :P

Also,

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Q: Do we need a separate tag for Dwarf Fortress adventure mode?

Do we need a separate tag for Dwarf Fortress adventure mode? Obviously, it's pretty different play experience with different questions than fortress mode. The tag dwarf-fortress-adventure already exists, but isn't used. Should I go slap it on all the applicable questions?

discussion tags dwarf-fortress

kalina

@fbueckert required external input

fbueckert

Looks like this has been discussed a couple years ago.

SaintWacko

Ahaha

fbueckert

I can make a meta for an updated rule, though, see if people agree.

Grace Note

5:19 PM

2010, tagging policy has changed quite a bit since then.

fbueckert

@GraceNote So a new meta is a good thing, then.

SaintWacko

I think it definitely needs a separate tag

I don't know whether it needs both, though

Grace Note

@fbueckert Phrase it as revisiting the subject of the previous question, in light of changes in how we tag things.

SaintWacko

Huh

fbueckert

@SaintWacko As an addendum to my previous suggestion, I'd say anything that pertains to world generation and such should just be tagged with the base tag.

SaintWacko

5:21 PM

Just had a really interesting DF embark with an underwater volcano

@fbueckert Agreed

OrigamiRobot

@Powerlord Why so much hate for BoI?

SaintWacko

The game started with the lake frozen around the volcano, but as soon as spring hit the lake thawed and began pouring in

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot I can think of a number of reasons to dislike the game.

SaintWacko

Eventually sealed off the volcano with obsidian

Powerlord

@OrigamiRobot The game (like many other randomly generated dungeons) has no concept of balance.

tiddy

5:22 PM

I agree

Powerlord

Not only that, but it's a bad Zelda 1 parody.

OrigamiRobot

The imbalance makes it fun.

SaintWacko

BoI?

FEichinger

@Powerlord The randomness and lack of balance is the point.

Grace Note

For some people. Others don't quite like it.

Powerlord

5:22 PM

@SaintWacko Binding of Isaac.

SaintWacko

@Powerlord Oh

I never could get into that

tiddy

I don't like random games

SaintWacko

Just wasn't very fun

kalina

@tiddy faster than light

SaintWacko

@tiddy I like random generation

tiddy

5:23 PM

Games that my progress or success is randomly decided upon

Grace Note

Actually, there was a discussion a couple months ago in here about roguelikes and their random generation, about "learning through dying and dying and dying" and such.

FEichinger

It's not supposed to rely on skill. Heck, it still needs skill to aim properly.

SaintWacko

@GraceNote Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup!

Powerlord

and heaven forbid you install the DLC (which Steam does on your behalf) without playing the game normally first, as it increases the difficulty by a ridiculous amount.

SaintWacko

Took me 165 games to finally win one

tiddy

5:24 PM

With BoI the learning is over wayyyyyyy before you hit the item jackpot that allows you to progress

FEichinger

@Powerlord So bloody true.

Sconibulus

random generation whee!

Nethack and FTL are fun

tiddy

I stopped playing after 30+ deaths

SaintWacko

DCSS is a great combination of luck and skill

tiddy

no mom

OrigamiRobot

5:24 PM

@Powerlord Oh that does suck.

SaintWacko

@Sconibulus Have you played DCSS?

Sconibulus

I managed like 1 win in Nethack after about 200 games

then won another like 8 games later : () )

since then I'm like 0-15

SaintWacko

@Sconibulus Actually, I guess it was just 165 online games

I used to play offline

Grace Note

I have 4 Nethack victories under my belt, in... probably 70 some tries.

SaintWacko

But online is more fun

Sconibulus

5:25 PM

no, haven't done DCSS yet

SaintWacko

@Sconibulus What country are you in?

Sconibulus

U.S.

SaintWacko

@Sconibulus crawl.s-z.org

Sconibulus

one of my wins was on nethack.alt.org, the other was offline while in the car

web, telnet, what?

Grace Note

But I'm not surprised at the dislike for this kind of system, especially one with the level of chance that I hear Binding of Isaac is.

Nor am I surprised at how easy it is to be offput by the concept of a game deciding that, literally, you're not going to have a chance to win, not out of your own performance but by literally just deciding you aren't going to win. It can be pretty bothersome to the core understanding of how one approaches a game.

Sconibulus

5:27 PM

I also came really close to winning a couple days later on nao, but messed up my wish-wresting copypasta somewhere around Oracle on the way back up

Fluttershy

So, I just got back from the doctor. She asked me how I broke my nose. I told her that I've never broken my nose. She looked at me like I was crazy. o_o

Blem

@Fluttershy Doctor who?

Sconibulus

yeah... victory should be technically possible no matter what

Grace Note

@Fluttershy Usually if a medical professional informs you that you sustained an injury and asks your source, you usually say "I don't know" when you weren't aware it happened, instead of denying it happened.

FEichinger

@GraceNote Definitely understandable, but it's just someting one has to roll with. This type of game can be insane fun. Dwarf Fortress level fun.

Fluttershy

5:29 PM

@GraceNote I'm pretty sure I'd know if I broke my nose. <_<

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I have 0 victories in 0 tries. My win percentage is U̧̻͑͑̇̉̇ͫͅͅN͓͇̜͂̈Ḋ̯̙͛̉͊̋ͯͩ̕E̵̛͕̪̟ͨ̓͐͂͛̈́́̚F̵̧̥̠͖̱̄̌̊̉̚I̧̡̪͍̺̩̗͋ͪṄ̠̜̹̈́ͭ̓́ͣ͟͜͠E̊͆‌͙̞̪̦̩͐̓͆ͤ̔͑D̷̴͈̣̲͎͙̜̞̜̖̽ͬ͗ͯ̾̾̍̚%

Sconibulus

well, unless you actively break something

FEichinger

@Sconibulus I thought we got past that topic.

tiddy

I dunno, with issac, if my random roll in the first basement wasn't good, I'd just restart

Cause why bother

Grace Note

@Fluttershy I once had a ridiculous bruising on my elbow. My mom discovered it while we were walking to pick up the mail. Neither of us have any idea where it came from, I don't do anything that would even cause impact to my elbow.

So, actually, no, I don't trust you to know that you've broken your own nose. ♪

Fluttershy

5:31 PM

@GraceNote There's a pretty significant difference between a nub on an arm and something in the middle of my face.

SaintWacko

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Grace Note

@Fluttershy I can see my elbow a lot easier than I can see my nose.

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FEichinger

@GraceNote ★

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OrigamiRobot

The real difference is between a bruise and a break.

Fluttershy

@GraceNote Now you're just being a pedant.

SaintWacko

5:32 PM

@FEichinger Out of stars already?

FEichinger

@SaintWacko No, I just love to use my buttons.

Ronan Forman

Do any Americans here know what a jelly baby is?

Grace Note

@Fluttershy I'm not sure at all what part of this is being a pedant. You gave two points of space under the point that the face should be more obvious than the arm, I gave a counter-reason that is, actually, pretty legitimate. It's no secret that humans are capable of being unaware that they've sustained an injury, even pretty dangerous ones.

Fluttershy

@RonanForman Yes.

Powerlord

@RonanForman A parody of Egypt in the Discworld book series? No wait, that's Djelibeybi

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SaintWacko

5:34 PM

@Powerlord Yep

Bordered by Tsort and Ephebe

Ronan Forman

@Fluttershy Do they exsist in america? Because I'm being told they don't.

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman Aren't they just Jelly Beans?

SaintWacko

@RonanForman I've never seen one

Powerlord

I just assumed they were either like Jelly Beans or Gummy Bears (but babies instead of bears)

FEichinger

^--- speaking of buttons

Ronan Forman

5:36 PM

@OrigamiRobot Sort of, they're little people made of sweets and covered in a powdery sugar.

Fluttershy

@RonanForman I have never seen them in America before, but I know of them. We'd probably frown upon babies being eaten here.

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman No, those don't specifically exist here, but we have similar things.

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot It's the powdery thing that's the defining bit.

fbueckert

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Q: Revisiting the Dwarf Fortress tags

A few years ago, we had this question: Do we need a separate tag for Dwarf Fortress adventure mode? Since then, we've made a number of changes to how we handle tags, especially in the area of organization for platforms. I brought this up in chat, and have gained acceptance for my modification t...

discussion tags

There.

Commence the downvoting!

Ronan Forman

This is surreal, having to explain what a jelly baby is.

OrigamiRobot

5:38 PM

@RonanForman Right, it's just a gummi bear covered in powder

Jason Berkan

@RonanForman Welcome to different cultures.

Grace Note

@RonanForman Think about how you learned what a jelly baby is.

OrigamiRobot

> Jelly babies are similar in appearance to gummi bears, which are better known outside the United Kingdom, though the texture is different — jelly babies have a firmer outer layer and a softer, less rubbery centre, making them more similar to the American jelly bean.

Ronan Forman

@GraceNote I ate them...

Grace Note

Right. That's a very different form of presentation than you have to provide for us, though.

Unless you could just, like, send us food.

OrigamiRobot

5:40 PM

I will accept all candy.

Ullallulloo

@fbueckert Out of curiosity, what's wrong with using both tags?

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo Organization, mostly. And tag consistency.

Grace Note

@Ullallulloo You should ask that in the question. ♪

Coronus

@Ullallulloo It's just weird.

fbueckert

It's current usage is weird.

Jin

5:41 PM

FYI, I'm about to eat some porkbelly

Ullallulloo

@fbueckert I'm kind of seeing it as a subtag.

user15026

I like jelly babies better than gummi bears. Although I do not like licorice babies. Those are not tasty.

Ullallulloo

It is about DF, specifically, adventure mode.

OrigamiRobot

Fluttershy

Swedish Fish

:This article is about the candy. For real fish in Sweden, see List of fish in Sweden. Swedish Fish is a type of chewy fish-shaped candy. It has been developed with special flavors specifically for the North American market by the Swedish candy producer Malaco, which exports products to North America. History In 1968, Malaco, a Swedish confectionery manufacturer, expanded its business by exporting a few of their products to North America. Various licorice ribbon and licorice lace candies were the first products to be exported. Malaco CEO Thor Fjørgerson called the move "a landmark day ...

fbueckert

5:43 PM

@Ullallulloo It, itself, is used consistently.

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn Never had any licorice babies, I'm guessing they're just jelly babies made of licoirce?

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy No, those are gross.

fbueckert

It makes the usage of dwarf-fortress inconsistent, though.

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot Why you ackin' so cray-cray!?

Swedish fish are delicious. And are also the closest thing I can think of that we have equivalent to jelly babies.

user15026

@ronan black licorice, to be precise.

Ullallulloo

5:43 PM

@fbueckert Why? it's used in all questions about Dwarf Fortress.

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy Ugh, I bet you're one of those people who like candy corn and circus peanuts.

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn The regular kind.

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot I hate candy corn. And I can only eat circus peanuts like... One peanut every year.

user15026

@ronan yeah. :)

user15026

@origamirobot anything mellocreme (candy corn, etc) is nasty.

user15026

5:45 PM

I don't know what circus peanuts are

kalina

holy cow it's freezing in here

OrigamiRobot

@AshleyNunn They're gross.

@Fluttershy You probably like Necco Wafers too.

user15026

@kalina offers tea and a blanket* (I am drinking awesome vanilla cream earl grey at the moment)

Ronan Forman

I'm tempted to go out and buy a packet of jelly babies now.

Fluttershy

Circus Peanuts

Circus Peanuts is a peanut-shaped marshmallow candy. Although the most popular variety of mass-produced Circus Peanuts today is orange-colored with an artificial banana flavor, confectioners originally distributed an orange-flavored variety that was only available seasonally due to a lack of packaging capable of preserving the candy; in the spring, five-and-dimes sold Circus Peanuts as penny candy. In the 1940s, Circus Peanuts became one of the many foods to become available year-round owing to the industrial proliferation of polyethylene packaging. Today, mass-produced Circus Peanuts a...

OrigamiRobot

5:46 PM

"marshmallow" candy

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot I do not.

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo By using both tags, we're treating Adventure mode as an expansion.

OrigamiRobot

They're actually more like foam.

fbueckert

Rather than a separate game mode in it's own right.

Sconibulus

oh... I always assumed Circus Peanuts were just low-quality peanuts

user15026

5:47 PM

Why do they taste like banana? That is a guarantee I won't like them. Too much banana medicine as a kid.

Sconibulus

'cause there are peanuts at circuses in my state

Ronan Forman

Banana foamy thing is the worst foamy thing.

OrigamiRobot

@AshleyNunn They don't taste like banana.

user15026

@ronan agreed!

user15026

@origamirobot wikipedia says they taste like artificial banana. You yuck.

user15026

5:48 PM

.... I don't know where the you came from.

Ronan Forman

Buy all foamy thing flavours are poor anyway.

OrigamiRobot

@AshleyNunn Well it's wrong.

Ullallulloo

@fbueckert I was thinking more as a part of the game that some people might want to filter with. Kind of like tf2-pyro.

Fluttershy

I can't recall circus peanuts ever tasting like banana... Maybe that's what they were going for, but they missed the mark pretty badly.

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy This.

user15026

5:49 PM

I need to go to the British candy store again. Hopefully they have jelly babies again. They didn't last time.

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn Surely it'd be called a sweet shop?

Ullallulloo

Wait, you can be guaranteed a t-shirt? I would participated if I knew that. =/

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo Why can't you just search for dwarf-fortress-adventure by itself, then?

The two game modes are different enough that the only overlap is the world itself.

OrigamiRobot

Speaking of bad candy:

Blem

@Ullallulloo you can still make it

user15026

5:50 PM

@ronan well, in all actually, they are called Sugarlips Sweet Shop and it makes me giggle. It is next to a fish store that has sharks that I like to watch.

OrigamiRobot

I don't even know what those are

user15026

@origamirobot Halloween kisses? Those are nasty.

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot Halloween caramels. Ugh.

Ullallulloo

@fbueckert The physics and weapons and stuff overlap.

Ronan Forman

I think there's one olde sweet shop where I live, never been there though.

kalina

5:52 PM

@AshleyNunn I haven't used my coffee machine in a week

user15026

I just like British candy and Russian candy better than American candy.

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo That's part of what I'm classifying in "the world".

Ullallulloo

But it's part of the same game still. I'm not saying that your idea's wrong, but it seems weird to me to exclude part of the game since it's a different game mode.

kalina

@AshleyNunn french bon bons

user15026

@kalina that's an impressive long time.

Blem

5:52 PM

Thursday, Mar 21 12:00 AM UTC is in 19h?

user15026

@kalina yes! Those too!

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo Personally, I'd just just jettison the adventure tag entirely, but there seems to be support to keep it.

kalina

@AshleyNunn ye I quit caffeine for a bit to see what effects it would have on my ability to wake up

user15026

Basically American candy is crap compared to the rest of the world.

Coronus

@AshleyNunn German candy was devised as a punishment for their Kinder.

Ullallulloo

5:53 PM

@Blem Isn't it ~5?

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn Would never have guessed.

user15026

@kalina and how is it going?

Coronus

@kalina I've tried that twice this month. sips coffee It hasn't gone well.

kalina

@AshleyNunn I don't notice a difference, but I think my body is used to processing large quantities of uppers so I may be immune to the negative effects of coffee

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Q: Revisiting the Dwarf Fortress tags

A few years ago, we had this question: Do we need a separate tag for Dwarf Fortress adventure mode? Since then, we've made a number of changes to how we handle tags, especially in the area of organization for platforms. I brought this up in chat, and have gained acceptance for my modification t...

discussion tags

Ullallulloo

5:54 PM

@Blem I'd have to come up with two questions though and get one above 5 though.

user15026

I stick to tea so I don't turn into a paranoid crazy person

kalina

I can drink a cup of coffee just before bed and still fall asleep fine

Blem

@Ullallulloo could be, i use 24h clock

Ullallulloo

I don't even have HotS, just WoL.

Grace Note

@Ullallulloo More like 6-ish

OrigamiRobot

5:54 PM

@kalina Me too. It makes me sleepy.

Blem

@Ullallulloo im missing 5 upvotes spread out on 3 question/answer for my goal

kalina

but no matter what I do, my body does not want to get out of bed at 8am

Coronus

@kalina Me too, and I didn't notice any negative effects from not drinking coffee, but one cup and I definitely noticed the difference.

Powerlord

@Blem 12:00am is 0:00 in 24 hour time.

user15026

@kalina yeah, I can't even look at it near sleep time. It makes me crazy. I don't do well with any stimulants.

Blem

5:55 PM

so Thursday, Mar 21 12:00 AM UTC is in 7 hours

kalina

@AshleyNunn I was completely powered by stimulants for a long time

I was so convinced up until about 30 minutes ago that today was Thursday though

Powerlord

@Blem Really? I'm pretty sure it's nearly 18:00 UTC now.

kalina

@Powerlord we have DST

OrigamiRobot

I drank so much sweet tea, coffee, and soda growing up (and still) that I am immune.

kalina

UTC doesn't do DST

Powerlord

5:56 PM

@kalina UTC doesn't have DST...

Blem

it is 18:56 cet

kalina

yes, and it's 6pm in my timezone, which means it's got to be 5pm UTC

Blem

so 6h

Grace Note

@Blem 6 hours, roughly.

kalina

since I'm currently in DST

Michel

5:56 PM

What's the name of the song that is sang in the end of Beetle Juice?

Sconibulus

It should be Thursday...

Powerlord

@kalina Europe started DST already?

kalina

yes

at least I think it did

if not I have no idea what timezone I'm in

Powerlord

@kalina Really? Because the Internet says not until the 31st

OrigamiRobot

@Michel Jump in the Line

Fluttershy

5:57 PM

@kalina Not til next weekend.

kalina

what ze actual fuck.

Michel

@OrigamiRobot Thanks.

kalina

no way, I swear I've already put all my clocks forward

Michel

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kalina

I am going to be so broken at the end of this month having to wake up an hour earlier

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FEichinger

5:58 PM

timezones are useless anyways.

OrigamiRobot

@Michel Great, now it's stuck in my head...

FEichinger

They cause more confusion than anything else.

Ronan Forman

@FEichinger Dyson spheres?

Jason Berkan

@kalina Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Michel

@OrigamiRobot <3

Powerlord

5:59 PM

@kalina I dunno about over there, but the Monday immediately after DST starts has a much higher automobile accident rate than normal in the US.

OrigamiRobot

We've been on DST for a week and a half and it's still kicking my ass.

kalina

@Powerlord I don't pay attention to that kind of stuff

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