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15:00
At any rate, you can look at those results either tell me that the excessive amount of users who started with an answer is because our excessive strictness drove many of those who started with a question away fast - or you can look at those results and tell me that the fact that there are top users with upvoted welcomed first questions and that's why they stuck around
Either way, you can argue that you're right and I'm wrong
Also, it's a "no votes on it, ever" answer. :)
@MartinSojka We never know these things when we start
I can reply that generally there are people who tend to post good stuff and people who tend to post bad stuff and that filtering people who post bad stuff out is not perfect but it works. They may even decide to try again and post better stuff and boom, we've got an awesome user.
See Stack Overflow for more success stories.
@badp I didn't start with answers because I knew asking questions would get downvotes. I just knew asking a question was more effort
@BenBrocka To be sure, I think my answer is still true. It's just not a very useful question. :)
15:02
@badp Bad users being defined as those who ask on meta, "Why can't I ask questions anymore?"
@MartinSojka I think my very first or second SO post got Tumbleweed
@BenBrocka My first question on Arqade was very much a gamble to see just how much (good) subjectivity would I get away with.
How the hell did the dog make the small paw print near his signature?!?
15:09
@badp Page not found
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Runtime error!
There
I don't even have 10 posts on SO.
btw would this question be still okay today?
I was testing the waters even harder here
15:12
Well, the only problem with the query is that it doesn't show deleted posts
@YiJiang'sEvilClone Well, I don't think that's something you can fix through data.SE
also I'm sure the per-user query could've been done without using a view but oh well
Yeah, no. Still something to keep in mind though
oh goddammit
I edited instead of forking
hmmmm what is my user id
djsmiley2k didn't work :/
Why can't I fork my own queries?
15:14
@djsmiley2k 22839 (for the chat); in general: hover over your name to see the number in the URL.
FAE
FAE
@djsmiley2k Look at your own profile and you can see the number
@djsmiley2k If you log in, data.SE fills that in for you
@badp It was using the wrong number for me, though.
692658 however.... nothing returned o_O
still definately not me for either of those numbers.
@djsmiley2k Your Arqade number seems to be 9862: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/users/ 9862 /djsmiley2k
15:17
@StrixVaria You probably switched between sites. I think it only fills it in for you once and then drags the value around as you change sites, but @TimStone is probably going to be able to provide a better diagnosis
That's odd, I logged in with Gmail and it doesn't recognise me. I'm now jon.doe10515
weird when I do that it doesn't work :D
@badp (I fixed it so it didn't do that anymore, so if you run into that problem it's a bug)
All answers :D
15:18
0
Q: Any Help with "Globetrotter"?

YuckCan anyone offer some assistance with the Globetrotter trophy? Awarded for setting foot in all secluded regions. Does this include all of the tiny forest areas, caves, and so on? Is there a list somewhere or map that I can use to check off which ones are left? Or is there something in-game ...

It's worth noting that it just guesses who you are based on your email hash, so if you've not provided the same email it'll get it wrong. I was thinking about allowing you to auth against the API to make that more reliable, but I haven't gotten to it yet.
@TimStone When I go here I get the correct value, 13992. I then use the site switcher to get to Arqade
"16042" out of nowhere, instead of 23
wait did it maybe select my sockpuppet. Yeah. Email hashes
I HATE YOU SOCKPUPPET
Email hashes don't even match
wait they do.
I HATE YOU UPLOADED IMAGES
which I only used for SCIENCE.
> I HATE YOU SCIENCE. - You can perform this action again in 2 seconds - retry / cancel
@RonanForman That's expected, Data Explorer doesn't participate in network authentication and thus knows nothing about your network account.
15:21
The Stack Exchange rate limiter prevents me from saying a terrible terrible thing out of rage.
@TimStone Oh okay.
Thank you, Stack Exchange rate limiter.
shakes fist at the family of rate limiters
I hate the answer rate limiter so much. SO MUCH.
@TimStone You're in poor company.
Are you deliberately obtuse? What about I want that built-in brake removed for 10k, or, at the very least, 20k, users, or, at the very least, slackened, so that they can post more messages in short succession. don't you understand? SO's 10k, or 20k users, are not "The Internet". And "these controls" are far from being "hardly seen". — sbi 2 days ago
Very, very poor company.
I just watched the first two episodes of Gravity Falls. Seems like a great new show.
15:24
I had to pause for a while to decide if this rude, not constructive comment was ruder or less constructive, too. Choices choices.
The rate limiter is great for the *ahem* few times my experiments with chat scripts go wrong
I still remember the one time I accidentally flagged and starred 40 messages in a single room. Good times.
@TimStone I hate all the rate limiters I see. If a legit user sees those more than once every couple months they're probably implemented wrong
@YiJiang'sEvilClone Were they the same messages?
@BenBrocka To be fair I only run into it when posting Town Hall digests. But having to wait two minutes between 30 answers is a pain in the ass.
Jin
Jin
@LessPop_MoreFizz I'll be visiting there in about a week
15:29
@Unionhawk Yup. Have you seen a message that's been both flagged and starred? It's rather interesting.
@TimStone That is not a typical use case. Maybe the Town Hall stuff could be automated even further, avoiding manual posting completely
@TimStone I didn't mean the answer one
I hit the comment vote one fairly often and the chat one all the time
@BenBrocka I posted nine messages in a row before hitting the limit
@MadScientist That or they can cave in and give me a triangle on all meta sites.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Jan 3 at 17:10, by Tim Stone
Since it'd be like only being half a moderator, I will accept it being a triangle instead.
And occasionally the leaving comments rate
15:30
Marc did tweak the chat rate limiter.
@TimStone Mods are still rate-limited
You know, with Phantom.js it is conceivable to easily build bots that operate on SE and SE chat
@MadScientist The two minute rate limiting is reps-based though.
@badp I'd hit it constantly when posting "is X (post) a dupe of (post)" in 4 messages. Not sure about since the tweaks
There's no easy API, but it should be much easier than before
15:31
Only like 125 reps at that, but since I'm usually 101 on those sites it doesn't matter.
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1 min ago, by Ben Brocka
@badp I'd hit it constantly when posting "is X (post) a dupe of (post)" in 4 messages. Not sure about since the tweaks
a dupe of
Current workflow is "is this" "[Q1]" swearing "A dupe of:" more swearing [Q2] pause "@rate limit DIAF" — Ben Brocka Feb 15 at 15:31
@BenBrocka I hit it at "a dupe of" but it took me more than 2 seconds to find the other comment anyway.
That said I'm not the fastest mouser in the west
Gotta mouse fast
No one can use my mice, I always have the sensitivity up crazy high
"Here, we'll test that olive oil by burning it!" burns it good news; the expensive oil we just burned? it's legit. It's gone now, but it's legit.
@Unionhawk You can use a small sample
@BenBrocka Yeah, yeah, science...
...and if the sample sucks, you [the supermarket] send the whole batch back and refuse to pay for it.
maybe even the whole shipment.
Maybe even ban it or something.
You know, I really don't get the new office licenses... I mean, most people aren't changing computers in a year, first of all.
@Unionhawk For now I'm happily using my Preview subscription
15:45
And secondly, most people get a fresh license of office starter with their computer, and a real copy if needed from their workplace... so...
I have no idea when it'll expire however
@badp I'm happily using my University copy of Office 2012, with no intentions of moving to the free copy of Office 2013 any time soon.
Office 2012 isn't a thing AFAIK
2010*
I like some of the new things in 2013
15:47
Whatever the last one is. What exactly did they do?
what doesn't sound legit about it?
they sold 10 licences, and we (i work in IT) brought 8
Well, the interface is clearner and reworked. They reintroduced pattern fill styles and improved on the default shape styles
They also improved all of the UI for styles and the suck into side panes
Okay, I may get 2013 sometime this semester.
I mean, it's free, so...
The main thing I use Office for anyway is fucking around in Powerpoint and Excel anyway
Only very occasionally Word when I really want to be anal about the layout
MSDNAA can at least fill me in for my Powerpoint needs.
For the rest... heh, they sold 10 licenses, IT bought 8, consumers bought 2 and pirated 48
This recent change isn't going to help the piracy figures at all.
I mean, the main selling point of Office 365 is that it's a rolling release.
The software is literally streamed on your computer and updates appear "magically."
oh god
not that
not again.
15:51
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Q: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time: Input lag with both keyboard and mouse

DragonLordI just got Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time from GOG.com, and I'm having a problem where all inputs are lagged, both keyboard and mouse. I've changed AA, AF, Catalyst A.I., and wait for V-sync, but the problem still persists. Compatibility mode and locking affinity to a single CPU core don't...

They did something simular for 2010. It installed a virtual disk which just downloaded the required components...... except it wasn't very good at caching.
@djsmiley2k Yes, that. For the first hour, whenever you click on something, Office needs to download the relevant code first.
yes..... except go away for a week, come back
it does it all again
And by "something" I also mean "the × button on a side pane."
@djsmiley2k I haven't experienced that honestly. I don't know if I've also been away for a full week.
@badp also we have people on crappy adsl connections.... :/
15:53
like mine
@Lazers I wonder if it's the roccat mouse to blame.
Also that guy and @OrigamiRobot's gravatars look the same. They're both red and have the same angle going on.
I hate when two people have similar gravatars.
That should be a bannable offense.
Like, at some point out of nowhere Powerpoint has grown this STORYBOARDING tab. I guess it's meant to be some kind of Balsamiq killer. I didn't do anything explicitly to acquire it. (/cc @BenBrocka)
If anyone's looks like mine, something weird is going on
The numbers and letters in white on black are there because I was alt-prtscr'ning
@badp Huh. Cute
15:59
Hey @djsmiley2k, maybe your superior Windows experience can help. Often times I find myself with "full disk activity" for minutes on a row. This is infuriating and I never experienced anything like this in Windows 7 or Ubuntu (hi @Marco). I don't know if it's just my aging hard disk, swap management being really_ bad on Windows or whatnot.
@badp Not seen anything like that here; is that just one physical disk?
Yes. It's my laptop.
then I'd be worried about getting it backed up personally.
There's nothing unreplaceable on it - not in this day of ubiquitous cloud hosting and cheapish USB drives.
@badp That's not even a graph it's just on.
16:01
@badp good good, then find yourself a reasonable priced SSD ;)
I have a dead one here if you want to play :D
I found that after installing win 8 too, but a clean install of win 7 fixedi t. But I think it might just be swapping too much
It's not always like that. But when it is, it's for five minutes straight
My two guesses are swapping (hopefully) or part of teh drive is screwed (uhoh).
I love Windows 8
16:02
In ubuntu tho you should be able to see it swapping.
kalina you DO?
And yeah, swapping is most likely it because it happens when I close windows and stuff
The read/write speed doesn't look high enough to be actually topping out
@djsmiley2k I do! This is really the main problem with it, but other than that it's a straight upgrade.
@djsmiley2k yes
I just want the task manager
16:03
@badp hmmmm actually yeah, windows swapping at 65% sounds about right unfortunately.
I have no issues with it at all now I'm used to it
@StrixVaria The cards will be mailed today.
@BenBrocka Yeah, my theories are: seek time, reallocation time or rootkit.
Occam's Razor says seek time.
Being Italian I felt obliged to include at least one conspiracy theory though.
I mean, who else would even begin to make a connection between the Pope's quitting and Sunday's elections?!
"OMFG CLEARLY THE POPE WANTS THE CATHOLICS TO VOTE. THE MOST FERVENT CATHOLICS ARE ALL PART OF $THE_PARTY_I_DON'T_LIKE AFTER ALL."
confusion
lolseektime
But I would get crap like that on my laptop's SSD so I'm not sure it's that, I think it's just some terrible background process or poorly managed swap
16:07
Is there a no-buillshit SMART checker thing for Windows or do I have to reboot to do that?
I've had tools check smart from within windows...I think
Haven't done that in a while though
Not the "WAAAAAH THIS ONE VALUE IS KIND OF BAD YOU REALLY NEED TO CHECK OUT THIS ONE WEIRD MOM TIP TO ENLARGE YOUR DRIVE'S LIFETIME NOW OR ELSE!!" type of SMART checker thing.
@badp hmmm disk management plugin
@badp I got a pretty good one to check my desktop's new drives but I completely forget what it's called
@djsmiley2k oh, "healthy" is actually from SMART data?
16:09
ask [superuser]'s chat I guess
I thought it was something about partitions or whatever
Start>Run>cmd {ENTER}

wmic {ENTER}

diskdrive get status {ENTER}
Thanks, that's helpful.
Sigh, another five minutes of hate for my disk
C:\Users\b>wmic
wmic:root\cli>diskdrive get status
Status
OK

wmic:root\cli>
Wait, does speedfan have harddrive checking stuff? I think it might
Okay, that was a little underwhelming.
16:11
@badp I think that's just the simple smart test
Which if you're failing your BIOS will probably bitch at you on boot
wmic:root\cli>diskdrive help
Node - DELTA
ERROR:
Description = Invalid query


wmic:root\cli>help
help - Alias not found.
sighs deeply
yeah speedfan appently does it
if you wanna install that.
Yeah, no, fans on my computer can't be controlled anyway. Besides, this POS overheats so much, they're always at noisy, full speed.
16:15
:D
@badp Speedfan is small anyway, might want to see what it's HDD checker says
@BenBrocka I'm not reporting back out of inaction
> A Minecraft mod/voxel.js project for devirtualizing virtualized servers. Basically a minecraft mod that allows you to control AWS instances by putting down/picking up blocks :-)
I'm not reporting back because I'm staring at this.
16:17
sloooooow
Jan 31 at 15:26, by Yi Jiang's Evil Clone
"Oh shit half our site went down because a creeper blew up the traffic balancing node"
@YiJiang'sEvilClone Wow, I'm that late?
Obviously...
@fredley Yup. Well, the ad has been running for a while now
Look, the memory usage never changes.
16:18
I don't even know for sure which of these numbers is the swap
Program: "We need more memory plz"
Windows: "Nah, theres plenty of swap, use that"
Program: "But... so sloowww."
Windows: "DIE IN THE HELL FIRE OF ALL HELLS."
@djsmiley2k 467 megabytes of free memory
btw close outlook if your using it and free some up smemory ;D
badp - windows memory management, built by experts...... in lego
@djsmiley2k Who needs Outlook when you have Chrome!
what is even Firefox doing
FIREFOX. STAHP. GO. AWAY.
Awww pastebins don't work?
16:21
@badp available is more relevant than free...though it's odd you have free at all with 4 GB
@djsmiley2k At some point, gist github did work.
You can alternatively post it directly in here. If it's too long it'll be truncated with an option to show more.
swapping on a laptop drive is incredible due to them being so slow.
@BenBrocka The real problem is I have 5.1 GB committed
I don't know how... where... what... why.
Actually I have a small idea of why.
"THREE DAYS??!! DON'T YOU EVER REBOOT!???!"
I really don't know how people use Windows for Servers. SE does, though.
@OrigamiRobot Awesome. Did you get yours yet?
@badp my PC only reboots when Windows Update reboots it
16:25
@kalina same
@StrixVaria Not yet. Also, did you see my ping from last night?
when I used a cracked copy of 7 without windows update running, an uptime of 2 months wasn't uncommon
@OrigamiRobot Mistwraiths are Lovecraftian.
So it's pretty much horribly deformed monsters that are decidedly not human, then?
16:27
That's one aspect, yes.
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Q: Target painters and their effectivenes on large targets

cornjulioxMy understanding of the way missiles in EVE Online work is that if the signature radius of the target is lower than the explosion radius of the missile being fired at it, then the damage of the missile is reduced, and vice versa, if the sig radius is bigger than the explosion radius, then the dam...

@badp Odd. The Firefox autoupdate process should run as a service. Does Windows 8 list services under the Process tab now?
@badp this doesn't look very healthy
@YiJiang'sEvilClone That was actually the browser itself.
@kalina What about it? Except for the "100%"
A zombie process?
16:29
@YiJiang'sEvilClone It just opened itself for some reason.
@badp its reporting 100% with a 0.3 reported as a 'high' number
Perhaps the service did that.
@YiJiang'sEvilClone yes, under a separate heading
at least we will be badp-free for a period of time starting shortly
I mean, oh no, badp is in trouble!
16:30
It's funny, because I am sending my tablet out for warranty tomorrow.
That would indeed be a perfect time for my computer to crash.
Unlucky for you, my sister's got another laptop.
you would steal your sister's laptop?
I wouldn't download it, but she doesn't have exams these weeks.
it's a good job I'm not your sister, I'd break your legs for stealing my laptop
@kalina You're you. My sister is not you.
and you should be grateful for that
16:32
I didn't need to reach this point to figure that much out
lol
besides, even if you were my sister and you had my sister's phone, I'd steal that instead. Your phone would run opera mobile and I'd make do with that.
Chat works, modding works, it's got Wifi. It's just miserable but not impossible.
your sister must be scared of you
no sister I know would ever willingly let her brother borrow her phone
SIM swapping means I don't get her messages.
it would take a coma or something to allow it to happen
16:35
That or trusting.
There are such things as good relationships, after all.
@GraceNote Between siblings? Ha!
That's a lie! Stop spreading obvious mistruths! All relationships are evil! EVIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
@GraceNote She wouldn't be happy to find me scavenging through her messages, but most of it is about stuff I don't care about.
There is a great evil in this world, and it is called "text plans."
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Q: Serious Sam 3: BFE won't start in Steam on Ubuntu 12.10

KohaWhenever I try to play Serious Sam 3 from Steam my screen goes black for like 3 seconds then comes back and Steam is minimized and the only way to get it back is to either restart it or click on another workspace and Steam will open there and I have to drag it back into the main workspace. No err...

"hi" "hi" "how are you" "dunno" "bored?" "y"
16:38
Sometimes I find it ironic that I know more people with happy relationships to family and siblings in communities where players are otherwise the most caustic and acerbic beings around, compared to places where more people get along with each other.
@GraceNote Is it? If you've got hell at home, you're probably seeking for a "happy place" to retire yourself in a peaceful place full of nice people to be nice to. If you don't, you might be bored and looking for fights to pick, so to speak.
@djsmiley2k Program: "We need more memory plz" -- LInux: "520 GB? Sure, have at it. Don't mind that we have just 2 GB RAM + 4 GB Swap" -- Another program: "What about I write to those 32kB of memory I requested earlier?" -- Linux: "I think I ran out. DIE."
...can't really say that having good relations with others, which among other things helps promote having more people to do things with and thus more things to do, should lead to boredom.
@MartinSojka oomkiller doesn't work like that
@MartinSojka lolol
16:41
@GraceNote I dunno? Many attributed the recent EVE accident thing to boredom born out of the peaceful alliance between the two factions with monopoly
Was it java?
@badp Incidental activity doesn't necessarily equate a relation to a general term behavioral patterns.
And yes, I'm deliberately abusing singular and plural forms. Muhuhaha.
@badp Linux has the stupid idea of "succeed with all memory allocations per default, fail at memory access instead if the laws of physics are against us." which leads to essentially random processes dying in the case of RAM being full.
And yes, you can tweak it. Doesn't mean it's not a mighty stupid idea.
I mean, my sister and I don't always scream at each other at the top of our respective lungs, which is awesome. That doesn't imply we're spending much time together though.
@MartinSojka I'm finding fault with "random processes"; oomkiller picks the process that has spawned the most processes the fastest (for forkbombs) and has allocated the most memory most recently (for your scenario), IIRC.
@badp But you're also not exactly among the atrocious when it comes to verbal abuse of another.
To be fair I am being misleading. The folks who tend to have good or non-negative relationships with their families and siblings tend to themselves be very peaceable and otherwise enjoyable to be around. They're just, somehow, found in the worst of places.
16:46
... my boss just suggested (possibly seriously) that I do a copy of the backup server onto DVD's...... 25TB....
@badp Trust me, I've seen mail servers dying with out of memory errors because some perl script started from a web page took all the memory away in one big swoop. Sure, sendmail is a piece of crap and does a lot of unnecessary memory and disk access and process spawning, but it wasn't the problem.
@MartinSojka I realize it isn't perfect and I trust you that the algorithm could be picking better targets. I don't know how much smarter it can get considered that the memory is already exhausted and it can't allocate more of its own to do fancy shmancy things
Windows, when put in this situation, afaik, bluescreens.
Linux, when the oomkiller is disabled, issues a kernel panic.
Replace "ssh service and a bunch of random other stuff in a server some 200 km away" for "sendmail" and you have fun times fixing that.
@MartinSojka Yeah, that's not fun. Especially when oomkiller never actually kicks in because, hey, there's swap! Just allocate there!
@badp Well, ulimit helps, but it's sadly not integrated well into the general configuration.
@badp Thus on critical systems, I disable swap and have static versions of everything that matters. Including them services using static buffers. It eats RAM like crazy, but once it runs, only hardware failure will bring it down; never an OOM situation. But no distro does that - not even "enterprise" versions of them. Too hard to maintain.
16:53
Mainly because of the RAM reqs I guess
Also, I really hate it when I use bold text in comments, but then by golly you'd think people would pay attention to it.
hmmmm
the funniest thing we've had is the Perc raid controller dying
Not battery dying, but completely failing to actually write to the underlying disks
coupled with the fact no one ever bothered to setup monitoring the logs meaning it ran for a few weeks before we noticed
I suppose it's C:\Windows.old\ because I have no idea what else it could've cleared on this disk that's 97.48 GB
100gb isn't that much space
@kalina ...I didn't clear up 100 GB of data from my disk however
and what is that tool?
17:00
(and, before the snark comes - no, that other stuff is nowhere near 97.48 GB and still securely in place)
shouldn't the emphasis be on 'other' rather than 'that'?
@kalina Soluto's main feature is delaying non-vital programs on start up
@badp Glad to hear your game collection is safe.
hmm
so you load a program
@MartinSojka Backed up, too. I'm happy with Steam backups.
17:01
and that program stops other programs from loading
I... hmmm
@kalina No, it removes those programs from the Windows loading sequence and puts them on its own
then starts them when the system load is low, minutes after boot up
yeah that's basically what I said
but is your PC that bad that you need it?
Yeah, it's useful.
@kalina You're looking at the world through SSD-colored lenses
I'm looking at the world via a PC that boots up in 8 seconds after POST
with all of my applications started
including ... well, everything
I have steam, chrome, utorrent, EVE launcher, origin, ventrilo, cyborg software, skype, dropbox, evemon, and at least another 10 applications start up with my pc
the concept of delaying things does not compute
@badp If your computer can run without those programs running right at the start, it can run just fine without them running at all until they are needed.
@MartinSojka Some of those are useful to have around, otoh.
@badp it sounds like you need a PC upgrade
Yes, yes I do. Did you see the part in the email where it says my computer takes ~3 minutes to boot?
and then you can put your current PC back in whatever museum you borrowed it from
This computer doesn't belong in a museum, I can tell you that much
17:07
I was being polite, I meant trash
17:23
What's up my homies!
yoyoyo
@Ullallulloo I dunno; saving a whole $3 doesn't sound like such an awesome deal.
@fbueckert 30% sounds better, though, right?
user15026
Huh. Fire Emblem really doesn't warn you when all of a sudden people are getting married. Boom, all of a sudden my character is all mushy and romantic and crap and boom wedding.
@badp Well, they use the server edition of course
@BenBrocka ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:30
We use win server 2008 R2 and haven't had any problems other than excessive updates for what should be a set and forget OS...though I only actually notice those because I RDP onto a couple of our test servers regularly
Now IIS on the other hand I still hate
But apache runs fine on win server
17:43
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Q: How do I download steam? What additional software do I need?

user133257When I click download (for steam) I get this message: This error could be caused by required additional software packages which are missing or not installable. Furthermore there could be a conflict between software packages which are not allowed to be installed at the same time. I hav...

@AshleyNunn Nope. It's just, "Yay, romance!" Kid incoming!
@StrixVaria It does. But the real dollar value is still saving a whole $3.
I don't understand. People are upvoting the sign up for minecraft, but no one has actually signed up for it yet...
FAE
FAE
@Ktash They think it's a good idea, but they don't have the time to commit probably.
Yeah, maybe
also, all the minecraft goal suggestions are being downvoted lol
FAE
FAE
haha really?
17:49
yeah
I don't know what is going on. It is like people want others to play minecraft, but don't know what they want them to do
user15026
@fbueckert yeeeeah, the whole thing was a little weird
@AshleyNunn TrentHawkins restarted because his character married Chrom. And he hated it.
@Ullallulloo Not really a pricing experiment. That's what most people would call a sale... or price drop
user15026
@fbueckert I was tempted. But I put so much work in to get to this point. Also what the crap is wrong with my kids one eye?
@AshleyNunn Note: I'm probably not nearly as far as you, due to the many restarts when someone dies.
user15026
17:57
Ah. Right. I am really glad I didn't play with permadeath.
That, and I'm playing on Hard.

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