The Bridge

Lazers

03:02

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Q: Can I repeat the clock tower jumping puzzle on a different character for more loot?

The Halloween event added an infuriatingly difficult jumping puzzle: The Mad King's Clock Tower. I managed to finish it yesterday on my air-specced Elementalist (that +35% movement speed helped!) and got a few items from the chest at the end. I completed it again today on that character and only ...

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GnomeSlice

@fbueckert I just got those in my research too, just haven't done any yet.

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice It takes a bit; I'd recommend doing so, once you start running into harder enemies.

James

@Wipqozn Because the guy had his question closed, then he had his appeal on Meta downvoted to hell so then he made a new question asking about it all and people down voted it cause they continued to not care.

fbueckert

Aww. Heavy suits require training to use.

Wipqozn

@James Which isn't how the users should have voted at all.

GnomeSlice

03:06

@fbueckert Dwow

Okay, how do I destroy this beastman research outpost... the default action for the thing with the arrow isn't 'attack'.

I shot it a bunch of times.

Wipqozn

I haven't seen the original question, but it's a low-rep user who is having trouble understanding a difficult to understand rule on our site, which is, in fact, applies inconsistently across the site. Take the time to help him understand why his question was closed and how the rule works. Don't down vote him for trying to understand the site better, and in the case of his latter question try and raise awareness to the fact we have a sizable number of questions which have slipped through the

GnomeSlice

It broke.

Wipqozn

cracks.

GnomeSlice

YES battle drones.

@fbueckert What, drone assembly is a building?

Drone Disassembly was a research topic.

Wipqozn

I hate the character limit on chat messages. I was 3 characters too short. THREE!

GnomeSlice

03:09

That's not confusing at all.

Wipqozn

grumble grumble grumble

Also, scumbag @GnomeSlice. Managed to break up my two messages.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn heh

James

@Wipqozn Yeah but since when does that happen right ? :)

Wipqozn

@James not as often as it should.

James

@Wipqozn maybe we need more shades around here man.. or a bit more swooshing

Wipqozn

03:11

@James I shade when I want, where I want.

James

@Wipqozn Remember by the simple act of cut and paste, or even simpler.. Quoting.. you can also do either of those when ever WE want it done ;)

2 mins ago, by Wipqozn

... Or maybe that is just us getting stuck in the past...

Wipqozn

@James That's what I do every time.

I just don't have them in my toolbar on my laptop.

James

@Wipqozn Anywho, Looks like the original post by him got removed after it was closed, but he posted the question asking how to stop windows from bitching about color depth selection and such.

He then posted in the Great Cleanup post on meta, and finally on that topic you linked in.

Wipqozn

(musical note I don't know how to make) drama (musical note I don't know how to make)

James

Pretty much.

Wipqozn

03:17

Well, in anycase it's time for me to be heading off.

3 mins ago, by James

2 mins ago, by Wipqozn

James

He got his answer over on the UI.SE, then we closed a couple more posts that he had a point about and himmed and hawed on a couple others

Wipqozn

Later gentlemen.

James

@Wipqozn Cya man.

Wipqozn

James

... and thats what a quoted post looks like when starred :D

GnomeSlice

03:20

Oh, I have aliens.

This is really hard to keep track of all of my people.

fbueckert

Heh. The serial downvoting got reversed. That's a first for me!

Fluttershy

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare - Fun, but incredibly hard.

@fbueckert You were serial downvoted? Gee... I wonder who did that...

Lazers

0

Q: Do I get more medals on Easy/Hard mode or does it matter?

I'm never quite sure whether it's easier to gain currency in hard or easy mode in games until I learn. In Lollipop Chainsaw do I get more/less medals by playing on Easy mode vs hard mode? If so, how exactly are they different?

lollipop-chainsaw

SaintWacko

03:39

Would Arqade be a place to ask about Dwarf Therapist?

It's an add-on utility for Dwarf Fortress

Yi Jiang

@SaintWacko Should be fine

GnomeSlice

Fucking idiot.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice ...

GnomeSlice

He was supposed to pick up that dead alien's gun, not incinerate his body with a rocket.

Ullallulloo

03:52

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Q: How to remove zombie dwarves from Dwarf Therapist?

After trying to fight off a zombie dingo with my melee militia, I've got a lot of zombies walking around outside my fortress. (Who'd have known it was contagious?) For some reason, Dwarf Therapists lists zombie dwarves. Is there a way to remove them from the list, or sort the list by zombieness?...

dwarf-fortress

fbueckert

Where are my guards finding all these knives!?

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Don'task, don't tell

fbueckert

Well, this prison is going to end in a massive amount of bloodshed, I bet.

Lazers

1

Q: How do I read the attributes for a dwarf in Dwarf Therapist?

In Dwarf Therapist, the attributes (Strength, Agility, Toughness, Endurance, Recuperation, and Disease Resistance) are displayed as following: Strength Very Strong (4581) Strong (4413) (3936) Weak (3750) Weak (3654) Very Weak (3310) Mighty (1995) Clearly there's not a direct relationship betwe...

dwarf-fortress

0

Q: What's my "homing attack"?

A couple of loading screens or something referred to a "homing attack" then my sister called and yelled at me to use this same attack. I don't really know what they mean. I just got the Chainsaw Blaster but I wouldn't really call it "homing". I see no reference to this in the "How to cook zombie"...

lollipop-chainsaw

OrigamiRobot

04:10

@fbueckert that set crossbow is selling for a lot

Yi Jiang

> New poll shows that fewer people think Obama is a Muslim. But now almost 1 in 5 people think he's Jewish

Ullallulloo

@YiJiang Onion?

Yi Jiang

Not the Onion, unfortunately

reddit.com/r/nottheonion

Ullallulloo

@YiJiang wut

Yi Jiang

Ah, it's a typo.

AP swapped some of the lines around

Barack Obama            2010    2012
Protestant              26      28
Catholic                4       5
Mormon                  0       0
Jewish                  0       0
Muslim                  17      18
Some other religion     8       10
No religion             2       2
Don’t know              41      35
Refused/Not Answered    1       2

Unfortunately 18% of the respondents still replied "Muslim"

Ullallulloo

04:14

@YiJiang That's good.

Yi Jiang

So, new headline

> 18% of Americans still believe Barack Obama is a Muslim

Lazers

05:08

0

Q: How do you use magic?

When you click browse skills, you can select a spell, but how do you use it? Also, can you assign skills to numbers or something to select them quickly?

divine-divinity

0

Q: Videos don't work

Every video in the League of Legends client, whether it be a YouTube video or the videos of the champions' abilities, does not work. It plays the sound completely fine as fine as I can tell, but the video is just moving lines and colors.

league-of-legends technical-issues

Lazers

05:38

0

Q: Diablo item drop lost after end credits in public game

I had a full inventory going into the final battle in a Diablo 3 public 4-player game. After we killed Diablo, I ported to town to sell my inventory and make room for the three yummy-looking rares he had dropped. I should have stashed it instead of deliberating over a couple of the items, because...

diablo-3

0

Q: Will the Battleship reappear if you miss it once?

I want to farm the Blaster Launcher before I finish the game. The Battleship appeared once when I was in the process of rearming the Firestorm I had over that area and my 2 regular interceptors were unable to take it down, and the Battleship got away. Will it reappear in my game, or did I miss m...

xcom-enemy-unknown

Lazers

07:12

0

Q: Switch tool and change context menu?

In Garry's Mod, using the gmod_tool command (as in gmod_tool faceposer) changes the active toolgun, but not the associated context menu. Is there a command I can use to change the active context menu?

source-engine garrys-mod

0

Q: Game Modes and Learning Curve

What's the recommended learning curve on League of Legends? I mean, I'm in level 16, and for me Beginner Co-op vs AI is very easy, I can win even with a bad team. So, I tried Normal Game (PVP), and I get a mix of wins and loses. Some players say to touch the PVP only when I get the level 30... ...

league-of-legends

badp

09:28

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Also, @Tim tried to raise awareness about this yesterday but - don't play Borderlands 2 in public games

Apparently somebody found out BL2 has an hardcore ("badass") mode built in - you die, your save file is gone.

If somebody joins your game in hardcore mode, all players in the game become hardcore characters

Lazers

09:48

Gaming and its Meta - Stack Exchange: minecraft freezing Ubuntu 12.10 – gaming.stackexchange.com

posted on October 30, 2012 by Ioan Loosley

When I play Minecraft 1.4.2 on Ubuntu (with and without Optifine), after a while (about five minutes or so) it will crash the whole of Ubuntu, SSP and SMP (frozen interface, no responsiveness). I ...

Martin Sojka

10:33

@badp Isn't it pretty damn impossible to die in Borderlands 2 unless you do very stupid stuff, at least in MP? You go down, but either kill some lowbie mob or someone brings you back up and you're back in the game thanks to the "second wind".

badp

I guess you can also be a badass later in single player too

and then you try to snipe somebody

and a barrel next to you explodes

and nobody's around you

and you're at the start menu.

(at which point you can press Continue and resume playing anyway apparently)

Martin Sojka

@YiJiang I'm missing the "I don't care, it doesn't matter, we're a secular country." answers.

I'm only aware about the current German president's religion because he's a pastor. :D No idea about the chancellor's religion though, and she's way more important. And I certainly don't care about either.

badp

FUCK it crashed again

okay I'm done trying with this MvM mission

Ben Brocka

11:43

@badp that's what the graveyard mode is about? That's a really stupid idea for Borderlands

@MartinSojka Not really. Plenty of instant kills (especially against the raid bosses or if you fall off an edge), it's not uncommon to die just after killing the last enemy, and on Playthrough 2 the game is pretty damn hard if you're under or at the normal level for an area

There's lots and lots of respawning in BL2, hence the respawn machine having plenty of jokes to make

Martin Sojka

@BenBrocka "Fall of an edge"? Doesn't BL2 have "no fall damage" as the default?

badp

@MartinSojka Fall off a map

Martin Sojka

... you can do that? :D

badp

What FPS doesn't let you fall off the map?

Borderlands 1 sure did

Martin Sojka

@badp ArmA II.

badp

11:52

@MartinSojka Okay. What self-respecting FPS doesn't let you fall off the map?

;P

Martin Sojka

... no idea, For an FPS, I only ever played OFP and ArmA II for any longer amount of time.

Lazers

0

Q: Are the halloween gifts account or soulbound?

How are the three gifts, Gift of The Moon, Gift of Spiders and Gift of Souls bound? Are the recipes bound as well when you get it from the Mystic Forge?

guild-wars-2

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Q: minecraft 1.4.2 frezzing up gpu on ubuntu 12.10

With my previous 2 post i didn't know what the problem was but know i know it minecraft locking up the gpu in Ubuntu 12.10. How i stop it doing it. heres a video ...

minecraft ubuntu

Lazers

12:24

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Q: Companies that have Gaming Teams

I am interested to know if there are companies e.g. IBM, Microsoft, EA . That have within their organization a group of employees that take part in gaming competitions e.g. MLG. I know for a fact Eugen who made Ruse, Wargame have a team that take part with the communities clan ladder. The reaso...

online

0

Q: Growing claws while wearing cursed gloves

What happens when you grow claws while you wear cursed gloves? (Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup)

crawl

0

Q: what else is there to do for halloween event

I've been playing Guild Wars 2 Halloween event. I've done Act I, II, and III; I have the two books and the 10-slot trick or treat bag. I've done the Mad King Labryinth several times and the areas that the Lunatic Boatman can port me too (Clock tower, Lunatic Inquisition, Reaper's Rumble). What...

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SaintWacko

@MartinSojka I have a friend who plays Arma 2 quite a lot

He's in one of those really serious clans that has scheduled voip meetings, and training, and everything

@badp It sounded like that only applies on the Xbox. Still, we should get someone to pin that

Martin Sojka

Well, I'm not really "serious" about the game, it's just the recent FPS I played and enjoyed the most. :)

Consequently, it's my "default FPS feature set" for comparisons with others of the genre.

SaintWacko

12:40

@MartinSojka Yeah, it's a really well-done game. I started playing it once, but I couldn't get into it. There may have been a bit too much realism for me. I prefer Borderlands :P

Wipqozn

12:56

WEll that's different.

Edits need to be approved by multiple users now?

I knew they made some modifications, but I thought it only applied to 2k-5k users,

and in the mean time I'm unable to make any edits to the post myself.... how annoying.

Grace Note

Stack Overflow has always required 2 approvers. I wasn't aware we were bumping it up here on Arqade, though.

Wipqozn

Nor I, but it seems we have. It's really annoying that I can't make any edits to the question now because of the pending edit.

Grace Note

Let me gander at it and be that second pair of eyes then.

Wipqozn

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Q: what else is there to do for halloween event

I've been playing Guild Wars 2 Halloween event. I've done Act I, II, and III; I have the two books and the 10-slot trick or treat bag. I've done the Mad King Labryinth several times and the areas that the Lunatic Boatman can port me too (Clock tower, Lunatic Inquisition, Reaper's Rumble). What...

guild-wars-2

I'm surprised that edit got through actually. Wouldn't think he didn't change enough for it to get by.

Grace Note

Did you reject it or approve it?

(And moreover I'm surprised you didn't just improve it)

Wipqozn

13:00

Approve it. It's only minor changes, but he did makes changes to the title, which is almost always a major improvement to a question.

@GraceNote Didn't think about that. Just figured I'd approve and then edit it myself. Didn't realize there was a restriction now.

Grace Note

Done then.

Wipqozn

whaaat

I can't edit the title via the improve menu.

I'd like to think that's just an oversight, because if not that's really stupid.

@GraceNote THanks

Trent Hawkins

Martin Sojka

13:16

fbueckert

Good morning, Bridge

How are we all this fine day?

Wipqozn

@fbueckert Hungry.

Waiting for bread to toast.

Grace Note

@fbueckert I get a rejuvenation effect any time a "SharePoint Tortured Soul" enters my detection radius, so I'm feeling pretty fine now.

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fbueckert

@GraceNote Heh.

That just means I'm going to jabber questions at you, since you've dealt with it. :P

Grace Note

To your dismay, since I no longer work for a company in which I have to use SharePoint, I lack the tools necessary to do any sort of testing like I used to be able to do. I don't even have a compiler on this machine for basic C#.

I can still wing it, though, so if you're comfortable with that...

fbueckert

13:33

@GraceNote Seeing as how that's my entire job, I'm good with that.

Grace Note

Excellent.

fbueckert

My boss told me the best way to learn is by doing. So he threw an entire Sharepoint project onto my shoulders.

Sterno

I fondly remember the days when "sleeping in" was an option.

fbueckert

And the client thinks there are six of me.

Wipqozn

@fbueckert He's making you work with Sharepoint? I think your boss hates you.

fbueckert

13:37

@Wipqozn No, I think he's trying to make a point of proving what I can do.

I may hate Sharepoint, but my boss knows what he's doing.

Wipqozn

I'm fairly certain he hates you, and is trying to break your will.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn Nah; I'm going for lunch with him later this week.

And that's where I hit him up for a massive raise.

Wipqozn

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A: What are the prizes for completeing the Thunder Dragon's challenges?

Piece of Heart (200 Rupees if you received this prize)

Did he just copy paste a portion of Jeffs answer...?

fbueckert

@Wipqozn Almost, yeah. Missed a word.

Martin Sojka

@Wipqozn No. His original ("peice of heart(200 Rupees if you received this prize)") is clearly self-typed, not pasted. It might still be copied.

fbueckert

13:44

@MartinSojka I had been debating if I should've added the single word he missed. Decided against it.

user2334

Presented without comment:

user2334

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Q: Was Windows 95 an Operating System?

This question maybe a bit historical, but we didn't have Superuser at the time. Around 2000 when I was starting my Computer science degree, a subject was Operating systems. The teacher asked us to list a few OS. I said Windows 95. I was immediately shot down. Windows 95 wasn't on OS, as it used...

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Sterno

I miss Windows 3.1. That's when finding cool icons for every single app you had was fun!

fbueckert

17 upvotes in three hours. sigh

Sterno

Screensavers were cool back then, too.

SaintWacko

13:57

Wait... my nobles are all happy?

Impossibru!

fbueckert

@SaintWacko And offensive! They're not supposed to be happy!

SaintWacko

14:08

@fbueckert All the dwarves in my fortress are happy

mainly because of the huge waterfall roaring through the great hall

Get that dorf a waterfall. Dorfs love waterfalls

user15026

@saintwacko yay for happy dwarves!

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Yep! No tantrum spirals!

I'm finally reconnecting my fortress to land

I've had it cut off for a few years, ever since I hit 100% self-sufficiency

I'm building a couple retractable titanium-electrum alloy bridges

When retracted, they''ll drop anyone on them into the lake, right over the waterfall intakes, where they'll be sucked in and drowned

Gray Stoat

@Sterno Are you saying this activity is no longer fun?

Sterno

@GrayStoat Correct.

Gray Stoat

@Sterno Each to their own. Changing the icons on modern operating systems can still be fun:

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fbueckert

14:24

@GrayStoat That's narcissism at it's worst.

Gray Stoat

@fbueckert s/worst/best/

user15026

@saintwacko I like the idea of those bridges. :)

SaintWacko

HA!

Just discovered I can use the waterfall intakes as a one way entrance into my fortress!

I just had someone fall off the bridge and get stuck outside

fbueckert

@SaintWacko I hope they knew how to swim.

SaintWacko

So I unlocked the pipe gates and ordered them to walk over to the intakes

They got sucked in, then walked off the grating back into the fortress!

@fbueckert That's the beauty of it, they don't have to!

user15026

14:28

@saintwacko that is a crazy plan and I like that it works.

Tim Stone

@badp Yeah, I suppose in retrospect I should have used a more descriptive link text. >_>

SaintWacko

The water in that area of the lake is shallow enough that they can walk in it, then once they're standing on the grate in the pipe, the water is just falling around them, leaving enough air for them to breath

Martin Sojka

Awesome!

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Yeah, I'm in the middle of a siege, and as soon as the mason fell off the bridge, the whole siege started heading for them

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Welcome to Dwarf Fortress, where 95% of the stuff that happens is both horrifying and awesome at the same time.

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SaintWacko

14:29

Man, this fortress is my best fortress ever

fbueckert

I usually like to make giant lava cisterns I can unleash on the rest of the world.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert You read a bit ago about how I plan to defend my fortress, right?

Martin Sojka

It's a one-way transportation device, mist generator and cleaning bath.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Ah, you recreate Project Fuck The World?

fbueckert

@SaintWacko It's a nuclear deterrent.

SaintWacko

14:30

@MartinSojka Yep! And my dwarves use it for indoor drinking and fishing!

fbueckert

Stay back, people! Or I open the gates to the lava!

user15026

@saintwacko the waterfall seems to be good for everything.

SaintWacko

Oh, and it's also my fortress defense!

fbueckert

Strangely, nobody ever listens.

user15026

@fbueckert funny how that goes...

SaintWacko

14:31

@fbueckert "Oh, well." flicks lever

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn It results in much blasted land. Good thing my outdoor farms are walled off.

I have viewing platforms for optimal comfort of watching the world burn.

user15026

@fbueckert claims a viewing platform spot

SaintWacko

@fbueckert I need to rebuild my pipe with windows in it so my dwarves can watch their enemies drown :D

Oh, shit

What's the point of locking doors if enemies can just walk through them?

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Did you miss a troll or something?

SaintWacko

@fbueckert No, some ice wizards got sucked into the intakes and just walked out through the locked door

Martin Sojka

14:36

@SaintWacko I don't trust doors to hold up enemies, ever. Drawbridges and collapsable walkways all the way.

SaintWacko

and now they're torching my fields

@MartinSojka Yeah, I was in the process of linking the drawbridge seal to its level when they came in -.-

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Sieges don't just attack dwarves anymore?

SaintWacko

@fbueckert It may have been an accident

They may have just been shooting a fireball at a dwarf

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Since when do ice wizards shoot fireballs?

SaintWacko

@fbueckert ...Good question

Hadn't caught that :P

Maybe there were some other types of wizards mixed in

fbueckert

14:41

@SaintWacko You should have a ballista ready to fire, pointed at the door these wizards walked through.

SaintWacko

Well, my military fell, and my fortress was wide open to the invaders, so I sent a dwarf time traveler back to last autumn to warn them to do things differently

Gaming Topics From Outside

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Q: X3DAudio1_7.dll and XAPOFX1_5.dll for gaming in Wine

I'm trying to play XCOM on Wine (using Play on Linux). Unfortunately, this doesn't work. The debug option in POL outputs this: Running wine-1.5.15 play-XCOM.exe (Working directory : /home/stephen/.PlayOnLinux/wineprefix/XCOM/drive_c/XCom Enemy Unknown) p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i3...

wine xubuntu games playonlinux

Martin Sojka

I remember when I tried out an earlier version of Deon's Genesis mod, where Dwarves had different castes. One of them could "breathe out" fireballs. Cue a single thief getting caught near my main booze stockpile (and thus near my trading depot) while the human caravan (with even more alcohol) is in town and everyone scrambles to move trade goods.

SaintWacko

So we'll see how they do in this timeline

@MartinSojka Oh dear

Martin Sojka

My fastest failing fort ever.

fbueckert

14:43

"Hey, dwarves! Look who's coming to play-" THUNK

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka That fort certainly ended with a bang and a whimper

The whimper was probably from you, though :P

fbueckert

"Good one, Jeb! Caught him in mid sentence!"

Martin Sojka

I made it a point from then on to mod the Dwarves back to "normal". :D

SaintWacko

Okay, slightly rebuilding my waterfall system

I realized that as it is it can't actually be used to drown enemies

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Floor grates need to be levered, so that enemies can keep running through the system until they DO drown.

SaintWacko

14:46

@fbueckert It's not a looped system

the water drains out of a lake on the surface above the fortress

fbueckert

@SaintWacko And there's the first problem.

SaintWacko

falls through the fortress

and runs out some fortifications in the edge of the map underground

No, what I'm doing is making a sealing bridge below the grates

So I can just close that, and the water will back up to the lake

submerging the enemies beneath two z-levels of water

Sterno

It's embarassing when I load my cart up with games for the Steam Halloween sale only to find out that I already own every single one I'd put in there.

SaintWacko

I wait for them all to drown, seal the upper gate, open the lower gate to drain the water out, then open up the pipe so my dwarves can collect the loot

fbueckert

@SaintWacko That would also work.

Martin Sojka

14:50

You need a way to deal with undead enemies though.

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka Hmmm, yeah

I wonder if I could divert magma through the pipe XD

Martin Sojka

I prefer the atom smasher method. Nothing to reanimate, no problems with unmeltable/unburning body parts.

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka Yeah, I was just trying to think of a way to implement that inside the pipe without blocking it

I'll probably end up placing some turrets outside and making the pipe walls fortifications

So the turrets can shoot in at anything inside

Actually, I'll just line the output corridor with traps

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat Are you around?

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Yarp

Ronan Forman

15:01

I'm making a PvP minecraft game and I need people to help me make the arenas.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Very happy to help

Should be free most evenings this week

Lazers

2

Q: How do I create villages?

I would like to create a village. Apparently this is possible as of Minecraft 1.4.2, so how do I do it?

minecraft

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat What do you like using Voxel or WorldEdit?

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman What kind of arenas?

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman WorldEdit

Ronan Forman

15:07

@GrayStoat I'll get you a server set up.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Cool

SaintWacko

@GrayStoat I may be able to help some

I got pretty good with WE

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka The game mode is called Marked Man, the marked man is really strong and 7 people try to kill him.

SaintWacko

I was a mod on one server and then Engineer on another one

which was effectively equal to the Owner class

Is this a 1.4.2 server?

Martin Sojka

No, I meant - open spaces with spectator seats around, like a real-world arena, some more complicated spaces (natural or constructed), or something totally out there, like a bunch of floating islands?

Also, how important is it that dead people can watch the action (typically from above, I guess)?

Gray Stoat

15:11

@RonanForman Sounds cool.

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka You should be able to spectate, so it needs to be open-ish.

Martin Sojka

This still allows for example "bombed out town (with glass walkways above)" as an arena.

SaintWacko

One time I did a game mode where a group of four or 5 was on an island, and had to reach the treasure in a tower at the other end, but there were three of us with creative on and the ability to spawn mobs, and our goal was to prevent them from reaching the tower

That was fun

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Ok. I'm thinking an ice maze section would be cool. Ice mazes are hard to navigate, as ice blocks are not visible through other ice blocks, yet totally transparent.

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka Well spectators will be in creative, so walkways aren't necessary.

@GrayStoat The game has a map select thing, so you can make multiple if you want.

SaintWacko

15:13

@RonanForman I wonder if there's any way to make them invisible and noclip

Ronan Forman

I have it set for 5, but I can lower/raise it if you want.

@SaintWacko Invisibility potions.

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Ah, yeah

I always forget about potions

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Ok. I'll make one or two treacherous mazes. Also keen to make a castley section

SaintWacko

@GrayStoat Maybe a ruined city?

Gray Stoat

@SaintWacko Yeah, something like that. Quite open, with towers and high walkways

SaintWacko

15:15

Could be neat with skybridges between buildings

@GrayStoat Heh, exactly

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat I don't want any PvE in the maps please.

Gray Stoat

A cut away anthill type effect below with warrens of tunnels

@RonanForman Ok

SaintWacko

@GrayStoat Yeah, the sewers

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman I don't actually like to give spectators so much power to mess with the game, but it's your call. :) Target version?

Gray Stoat

@SaintWacko Sewers would be awesome

Set the biome to swamp for really icky coloured water

SaintWacko

15:17

@GrayStoat Ooh, yeah

Ronan Forman

Oh, there are classes, so be sure not to advantage some over others: docs.google.com/document/d/…

SaintWacko

Oh, it would look really neat if each of these arenas was a big floating island

Gray Stoat

@SaintWacko Yes

SaintWacko

Like chunks had been torn out of various worlds and set in the sky for adventurers to compete in

Gray Stoat

@SaintWacko Although care would need to be taken if @RonanForman doesn't want PvE - the chunks would have to be hard to fall off

Ronan Forman

15:19

@MartinSojka I'll have to trust them not to edit the map.

SaintWacko

Are you going to be doing this work online or offline?

@GrayStoat Or just make it high enough that if you fall, you die

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman permissions.txt?

SaintWacko

Add some strategy to it. What if you have a knockback weapon?

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat Add a thing under the map that teleports them back onto the arena.

Gray Stoat

If this is a Bukkit server it's relatively trivial to make it so they can fly, but not edit

SaintWacko

15:19

Try to knock people off the edge

Ronan Forman

@SaintWacko The jumper class does.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Yes. Control blocks. Still not played with those.

LessPop_MoreFizz

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Well, they'd have an extra way to kill someone, then

LessPop_MoreFizz

I am alive. Still no power after 20 hours.

Ronan Forman

15:20

@GrayStoat I'd like it to be vanilla, but I could release multiple for bukkit too.

LessPop_MoreFizz

So, later.

SaintWacko

@LessPop_MoreFizz facepalm

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Oh I see, it's for general release

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat Well it currently can be, but the permissions in bukkit could be an extra.

Gray Stoat

I guess make it vanilla, then if people need to put it in Bukkit they can

Tim Stone

15:21

@LessPop_MoreFizz Good to hear you're safe up there. Sorry about the power though, that sucks.

SaintWacko

@GrayStoat Is there a flying potion?

fbueckert

@SaintWacko That person should go to ground zero to find out! Empirical evidence!

Gray Stoat

@SaintWacko Nope

SaintWacko

@fbueckert I wonder if Yahoo Answers would allow "You're a moron." as an answer

@GrayStoat Darn, that would make things easier

fbueckert

@SaintWacko For a short time, I believe it would.

Gray Stoat

15:23

@SaintWacko It's Yahoo Answers, of course they would

Martin Sojka

Hmm. Thinking about a PvP map. Can you spawn (or trigger a spawner to spawn) something with a command block?

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka No, but you can with redstone.

Sort of.

@MartinSojka But no PvE!

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman I was thinking about spawning primed TNT.

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka And how will you be able to replay the game?

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman How will you be able to do that if people break blocks with their fists? The same applies: Restore the arena from a backup.

Ronan Forman

15:34

@MartinSojka /gamemode 2

How do you restore an area in vanilla?

Martin Sojka

Stop the game, replace the files with the backup, restart.

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka And that's not going to be annoying.

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Then make it Bukkit only. Everything is easier with Bukkit

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman That's the second-worst game mode for PvP I can imagine. I mean, where's the fun if I can't build traps?

@RonanForman If you automate it, it's just a few seconds of downtime.

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka IT'S PVP, NOT PVE!

Martin Sojka

15:37

@RonanForman Oh, come on. PvP doesn't mean you have to use only weapons to kill your opponent.

Gray Stoat

@MartinSojka Manually activated traps should be ok

SaintWacko

@RonanForman PVE means fighting mobs

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman On game mechanics, what's to stop players killing each other (to gain an advantage) rather than just going for the Marked Man

I.e., I am Splash, I slow down contenders to give myself a better chance of killing the MM

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat Because it's a team game, you don't get anything for being the killer, otherwise noone would play jumper or support.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman Ah ok.

@RonanForman Your thoughts on manually activated traps? Not thinking insta-death, but targeted projectiles/potions

Ronan Forman

15:43

@GrayStoat As long as they're not the primary way of attacking.

In regard to potions: some classes have debuff potions, so don't ruin it for them.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman I'll see if there are interesting ways stuff could be triggered, but I'll only do it if it makes sense, not just because

Ronan Forman

Maybe put them in the castle map, like a haunted house.

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman Well, area denial (lever opening the valve to some lava source to make a part of the map impassable) could be fun too. :)

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman What could work there is traps that give the player away, by making a noise or something. Use levels so that command blocks can tell the difference between the MM and the hunters. The hunters make no noise, but the MM can trigger traps that make noise, betraying their location

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat Yeah, each player has a differnt level, from 1-8 for hunters and 9 for MM

Gray Stoat

15:50

@RonanForman Cool.

Ronan Forman

I'm now using the name hunters, thanks.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman np

Ronan Forman

I don't know if I mentioned, but the MM is randomly selected.

Gray Stoat

@RonanForman I see. I assume they're given a timed head start or something?

Ronan Forman

@GrayStoat I'm thinking a minute, but I could be map specific.

Gray Stoat

15:52

Also, what would be nice is to shuffle rather than randomly select. Each person gets one go as MM (in a random order?) so that people can compare survival times

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