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Ivo Flipse

18:02

best edit your comment @tzenes, so we can delete ours :P

Downvoter

:145929 +1

tzenes

which?

Ivo Flipse

> Having a place to direct people is very nice. Right now we should all be aware that it requires 200 rep to be able to access. – tzenes 1 min ago

on the meta question

ah well @JuanManuel, you edit it and delete my comment while your at it ;)

tzenes

look again

I think you guys are missing the point I was making

Downvoter

yeah, I try not to edit other people's comments

Downvoter

18:04

I would if there was history available

McKay

"access" is kinda vague

Downvoter

:145941 the point is clear, but 20 is way easier to get than 200

Ivo Flipse

I guess we were, but there was a lack of content though

tzenes

I meant use

McKay

should it be edited to state "post"

Ivo Flipse

18:05

0 for read-only @McKay

tzenes

Look, the point I was trying to make is that a lot of gaming users have 0 meta rep

for them acquiring 200 gaming rep is often easier than 20 meta rep

McKay

:145950 I clarified my original comment.

tzenes

since our site is gaming (where we'll be linking them) then its important to note if the user has 200 rep on our site

Downvoter

you lost me

McKay

but eventually it will be 20 rep on our site? When do we get our own chat rooms?

Ivo Flipse

18:06

I'm not sure if they even want rep on MSO

tzenes

eventually

Downvoter

anyway, it's an experiment

tzenes

Ok, look, some schmuck makes a game-rec question

we say: go here

Downvoter

in Chat feedback on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 1 at 18:04, by balpha

the first one might happen next week

tzenes

we need to know if he has 200 rep on gaming.se

Downvoter

18:07

don't know which site though

tzenes

if he has less, then we can look to see if he has Meta rep

McKay

:145967 Thanks, because we use our chat room so much (more than anyone else) we might be first?

tzenes

but that 200 number is the first number we can check

Ivo Flipse

web apps then @JuanManuel

Downvoter

I guess so

McKay

18:08

Wow, this room has more than half of all room posts.

radp

I'm sorry, what?

McKay

Oh, maybe not, but it's close.

radp

Do you see any concentric circles?

Downvoter

I don't want to ask if it's Gaming, because I don't want him to tell me "no" :P

Downvoter

in Chat feedback on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 1 at 18:09, by balpha

@JuanManuel chosen specifically -- we probably don't want to start with SO, being the largest

McKay

18:11

:145990 Oh, drat, well, I asked.

Downvoter

:)

LessPop_MoreFizz

:145980 It's because we spend so much time arguing about game-rec

Ivo Flipse

If only iOS apps could use AirPlay to stream their own stuff to AppleTV.

Tweeted by joehewitt on September 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM

I stopped arguing, I just vote to close and tell them why :P

radp

:146015 and lists

Ivo Flipse

yeah, we're the only 'community' :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

18:14

:146023 lists are just judgement free game-rec though!

Downvoter

:146015 chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/226/game-recommendations

McKay

Yes, I saw that.

LessPop_MoreFizz

I contend that the appropriate response to list questions is just to list off only the most utterly execrable games that happen to meet the criteria

McKay

:146038 heh

Ivo Flipse

why would I want an Apple TV without a hard drive?

what's the use here then?

Downvoter

18:19

:146057 Closed as S&A, off-topic, and too localized

Ivo Flipse

thank god this is meta chat then :P

I mean: if it has to be connected to a real computer for a hard drive (ok it could be a NAS, but that's geeky), then there must be better alternatives right?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:146069 It's not meant for /your/ content, it's meant for cloud stuff.

Think of it this way. Yesterday, if I wanted a high quality device for HD netflix streaming, my best choice was to buy a video game console.

Now it's an Apple TV at 1/3rd the price.

everything else is icing.

radp

Think of it this way. Yesterday, if I wanted a high quality device for HD netflix streaming, my only choice was to move to the US.

Now it's the same.

Big effin' meh.

:P

Ivo Flipse

but I already own a PS3 and Xbox360, I assume they will also launch such services

and even then, why would I need to buy a 100$ box that does absolutely nothing more than what I already own

McKay

:146089 Think of it this way . . . You don't own a video game console?

radp

18:32

:146118 but... it's shiny and made by apple!

LessPop_MoreFizz

:146132 I actually don't own a 360 or PS3.

Ivo Flipse

well I guess I'm just we don't have Netflix and Hulu in Europe

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LessPop_MoreFizz

:146141 Yeah, the use case for TV is much stronger in the US.

without Netflix, the value drops unless you rent from ITMS a whole lot.,

though local streaming is very underrated.

radp

Stuff you may give for granted but isn't

Arda Xi

I don't think Hulu would be very successful here... I tried it once, it's exactly like our TV only with 5 times the ads

Ivo Flipse

18:34

well the movie studios blame me for downloading it illegally, but they don't offer me a legal alternative

strange, the episode I watched only had 3 short ones

radp

:146154 well, US tv already does have thrice as many ads afaik

Arda Xi

:146153 The Google Voice thing was worst, LifeHacker had an article: "Google Voice opened for everyone"

Apparently, according to LH everyone lives in the US.

radp

Just watch Fox TV on satellite, it's one advertisement space ("Fox Extra" for us) every like two minutes

Ivo Flipse

everyone that get's them add-sales does @ArdaXi

JavadocMD

:146164 I thought everyone did. I mean you do, don't you?

Otherwise, how could we even be talking right now?

Arda Xi

18:37

:146169 I'm pretty sure they make money on international viewers too

JavadocMD

It's like Midnight and Winter on the other side of the planet, so you should really be asleep if you were somewhere besides the US.

radp

Tsk, tsk. You should know gamers are night owls.

It's just 23:39 here in Pakistan.

:146174 oh, Osama says 'hi'

JavadocMD

@badp *gasp* Evil doers! Thems what does the evil!

radp

we're in ur internetz posting u moar game-rec's

JavadocMD

:146191 Haha, enjoyable series of edits! :)

radp

18:42

Yeah, I failed to adhere to the snowclone appropriately :(

JavadocMD

I have a dummy-level SC2 question. Do roaches with tunneling travel under buildings? I've never actually tried to do this.

McKay

:146236 no

I don't even think they can tunnel under lowered supply depots (though that makes sense physically)

JavadocMD

:146243 Cool. Would probably be too powerful if they could.

McKay

Yeah

Bypass a terran wall.

Though I have done slid under some terrans when they lifted up a barracks.

JavadocMD

Haha, slick.

Downvoter

19:00

what exactly is macro vs micro in sc2 context?

McKay

macro is controlling everything

micro is perfectly controlling individual units.

@Tzenes wrote an article about it on the blog?

Downvoter

you're right

Downvoter

I'll go read it

JavadocMD

Macro implies economics and building management, more so, but also (I think) implies army placement on a large scale.

But @tzenes is the recognized authority here. ;)

Ivo Flipse

that day[9] video about it was awesome

here I'm focusing on a small army to try and do something

tzenes

19:03

@JavadocMD in SC2 its more about being able to build an army quickly

Ivo Flipse

look what happens when I focus more on the macro and quickly expand

tzenes

tactitcal choices, such as where to place an army, are important but aren't really macro or micro

JavadocMD

:146316 Does expansion and worker management not fall under macro?

tzenes

yes

army is jargon though, which doesn't include any of that

in fact, we just describe that as macro without any qualifiers

JavadocMD

Hm, okay. I guess that makes more sense with how I've heard the terms used in casts.

So if you had to chunk a SC game into realms of resposibility, there's: micro, macro, army, and economy?

LessPop_MoreFizz

19:06

At it's most basic level, the way most people use the term, and with a lot of handwavey inaccuracy, Macro is things you do with your buildings. Micro is things you do with your units. (with workers existing somewhere in between.)

tzenes

Macro is anything that helps you build a bigger army

Micro is anything you do with that army

Tech is technically the third pillar

economy is necessarily a part of macro

tech is a strange thing because it isn't true macro, but it does have tension with macro

sometimes people will just say its part of macro

LessPop_MoreFizz

SCII hit 3 million copies sold

also, holy f*** Recettear pulled ahead of Civ 5 and Bad Company 2 on Steams top sellers list.

and in terms of copies sold is probably ahead of Mafia

tzenes

19:24

wow, those are two long answers

I wish I had more time to write somethign better though

but I'm a busy man

Michael Myers

:146406 Please keep it clean in here. Thanks.

tzenes

just use gaming curse words then people won't know what we're talking about

radp

19:40

What the foobar is going on here?

Mana

Fraggin' youth and their curse words.

radp

Sigh, I want to get those last 72 rep badly, but I can't find anything to answer :/

radp

19:55

:146527 dl.dropbox.com/u/1164414/SO/…

tzenes

how do I offer bounties on other peoples questions?

radp

:146574 If they're old enough you'll see the link

tzenes

I can't on questions from july?

radp

"start a bounty"

Link?

The link is below the question author name and the comments

tzenes

5

Q: What do you do after the Jelly in Crawl Sprint I: "Red Sonja"?

⚠ Spoilers ahead My usual route around the first part of the level is: (× mark doors that get me killed) Stairs → Ijyb → Ogre → Sigmund → Gold → Giant amoeba × Kobold demonologists → MORE FUN GOES HERE ↕ ↓ Gold Gold Items ...

Ivo Flipse

19:57

> add comment
> start a bounty

tzenes

all I see is addcomment

brb lunch

radp

:146587 dl.dropbox.com/u/1164414/SO/Bounty.png

Ivo Flipse

are you sure your logged in

radp

To be honest, a bounty won't do that question any good

Mana

The only way to answer that Nethack for Windows ME question with an actual game would be to make a nethack client based on their specifications

radp

19:59

There's just no other crawl player here I'm afraid

Ivo Flipse

that seems awfully familiar

Arda Xi

:146380 wouldn't that be meso?

alexanderpas

Project Reclaim Diskspace, Backup & Delete Games with Steam Cloud Support Started.

LessPop_MoreFizz

planetfallout.gamespy.com/articles/news/1839/…

tzenes

20:28

no start bounty

Ivo Flipse

again: are you sure you're logged in? @tzenes

LessPop_MoreFizz

:146847 I have a start bounty button

FallenAngelEyes

Evening all

Ivo Flipse

Evening :-)

LessPop_MoreFizz

FallenAngelEyes

20:30

How goes GSE today?

C. Ross

I think fairly smoothly

LessPop_MoreFizz

See, that question

is a good question actually

but doesn't need game-rec

FallenAngelEyes

Not sure why it has that tag

LessPop_MoreFizz

It makes game-rec look too good.

fixt

McKay

yeah, not really a game rec.

C. Ross

20:32

I had a random idea for promotion: Wonder if Toady would give us a shout out for a sizable donation? He'd certainly give us a spot on his list and a crayon picture ...

alexanderpas

I think permanent promotion should be done after going out of beta.

also BTW:

cool... I've got a firefox version from the future (dutch screenshot.) http://ahb.me/lzc

Tweeted by alexanderpas on September 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Arda Xi

:146922 Yeah... I still don't get it. What's futuristic about that screenshot?

radp

I think it's the message

Arda Xi

:146877 I hate it when people throw two different questions in one

alexanderpas

:146925 firefox 3.6.9 is an unknown version according to them, 3.6.8 is the latest to download.

Arda Xi

20:38

:146939 Oh right. The latter part isn't expressed in the screenshot :)

radp

:146944 I think that's what the message says

Arda Xi

:146945 It says that you're supposed to download the most recent version.

Without context it's impossible to tell that 3.6.9 is the most recent version.

alexanderpas

latest version, scratch beta.

Arda Xi

Yeah, I read 'beta' instead of 'beste' :P

tzenes

@ivo I am very sure I'm logged in

Arda Xi

20:43

:146997 You should definitely have enough rep to give away

Ivo Flipse

what browser are you using then @tzenes?

tzenes

@Ivo fire fox

3.5.11

Ivo Flipse

could you try to replicate it in another browser? just to see what's causing it

have you tried to log in and out?

radp

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/6730/…

Feel free to downvote me into hell

It's the meaning I usually hear of it (the game I play does have rts components)

then again I'm not really into the genre (or those rts components)

tzenes

I'm writing a long answer

but the short answer is, no that's not what map control means

radp

20:49

Deleted

Ivo Flipse

argh you deleted your answer @badp :P

> Care to add a nice screenshot, to explain what you mean by choke points? And when do you have enough economic resources to have 'control'? Just a lot of bases, doesn't imply I actually harvest a lot ;-)

was planning on commenting that

radp

:147062 If it's plain wrong it's best deleted than kept

2

:147063 I don't even play the game, that's why I used generic terms and whatnot :P

I'm out of questions to answer :/

LessPop_MoreFizz

direct2drive.com/promos/d2d-turns-6 argh more bargains getting their hands on my moneys.

Arda Xi

:147075 I have been for weeks, it's ruining my rep

tzenes

damn, carl is getting good

I'm going to have to work harder to keep up

radp

20:53

(okay, my source is the Q3 casts when people are said to have map control if they are in a situation where they can get all the items in the map in safety)

(I'm not pulling things completely out of my arse)

Arda Xi

:147083 You are 1.8k rep away from your closest competitor

tzenes

@badp map control is the ability to respond anywhere on the map

in that situation you should be able to get all the items on the map safely

but that is a benefit, not the concept

radp

:147079 What are your interesting tags? Maybe I can give you something to answer

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