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tzenes

22:00

remember close as dup means you can still find that question, you have a link to the dup and you can read the answer there

McKay

:143095 I'd essentially argue opposite of this point

tzenes

I understand the argument for making things easy to find, but I don't see how close as dup makes it any harder?

@McKay if there is new information then its a discussion of where to best put it

if the new information doesn't fit in the old question, then it makes sense to have a new question

instead of collecting information where it doesn't belong

McKay

Because if the answer to one is "you can't do that, just because you don't like the guy" and the answer to the other is "if he's harassing, you can contact Blizzard" then the answers are very different.

but if there's a "report and block user", then that's the answer to both questions, and it's a dup.

tzenes

I think the answer "you can't block someone harassing" is very relavent to the old question

"What can be done against individuals who Team Kills (TK) in games of Starcraft 2?"

knowledge about whether or not you can block them is useful to this question

in fact, I'm going to take back my earlier statement. If there is new information it belongs in the old question regardless

since there is no reason to split the information between questions, let's close the new one

McKay

Let's close the old one then, as the new one is more general.

tzenes

22:04

close as dup will serve as a link for anyone searching about that topic and they can then find the old question, which has their answer

McKay

meeting

bbiab

tzenes

I think the proper form is to close the newer duplicate

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143165 The old one is more specific, but also has a two pronged answer, in that the option of reporting for TOS abuse is not an appropriate response to the new question.

Grace Note

Evening, all!

radp

Hey

Grace Note

22:10

Osu, @badp

radp

er, same to you

Grace Note

Just means "hey" in a friendly, informal manner

radp

Unless you meant osu.ppy.sh

What language? Japanese? Chinese? Gracely?

Grace Note

Osu is Japanese

radp

Oh, right. :)

Grace Note

22:12

Despite the most popular theory, my usage of it did not stem from any of the rhythm games

radp

Dunno, it was the first (non Ohio State University) google hit

Grace Note

Well, it is the same language

radp

Since you were talking about music-generated bullet hell games last night and Osu appears to be a rhythm game the link looked half plausible.

Aaaanyway.

Grace Note

A very understandable conclusion

radp

I'm afraid the understandable conclusion from watching my clock is good night you all!

Grace Note

22:14

G'nite~

FallenAngelEyes

night @badp

and evening Grace

Grace Note

Eve, @Fallen

By the way, before it gets out of hand, do you mind at all that I occasionally play around with your name? I'll stop if it's bothersome.

FallenAngelEyes

Nah, 'sfine

Ivo Flipse

hello @GraceNote

Grace Note

Oy, @Ivo

Ivo Flipse

22:20

ask away with that question of yours ;)

Grace Note

?

Ivo Flipse

the one you mentioned in the mod room

Grace Note

I didn't get approval from Aaro*t

Ivo Flipse

do you need his quote to ask it?

Grace Note

I would prefer it, aye. It covers it even better than my original summary did when I first composed it off the top of my head

tzenes

22:47

hi @grace

also, who ping'd me?

Grace Note

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, @tzenes

tzenes

haha

LessPop_MoreFizz

Oh hay, Recettear made it up to Steam.

Grace Note

Recettear... I heard that name recently

LessPop_MoreFizz

I guess the angry goon spam worked.

store.steampowered.com/app/70400

Grace Note

22:49

Is it made by Easy Game Station?

alexanderpas

Hello, and welcome to the Gaming Stack Exchange Chat Room, we hope the brief duration of my absense has been a pleasant one.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143362 Yeah, some Americans hoping to break into translation work started a company and translated the game into English when nobody would hire them.

Grace Note

Interesting

Wish they would've started with Chantelise!

LessPop_MoreFizz

And posted a demo on SomethingAwful a few months back when they were having trouble finding US distribution. I guess the letter writing campaign got it up to Steam.

FallenAngelEyes

oh wow Recettear's on Steam?

gonna have to get that

Grace Note

22:50

Gah, that almost is convincing enough to get a Steam account

LessPop_MoreFizz

forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3329392 this is the SomethingAwful thread about it

with the backstory as to how they ended up getting the liscense to do it, etc.

Grace Note

It doesn't count as a Steam game itself, though, it is just distributed through Steam, aye?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143373 What do you mean? As in, does it have multiplayer through Steam or something? If so, no, not at all.

It's just using Steam as a store where you can buy it.

Grace Note

I'm more looking to see my avenues of mooching I can use to obtain it without getting a Steam account

LessPop_MoreFizz

Oh, yeah, it's availiable from a few other stores as well.

though Steam is giving 10% off.

Grace Note

22:52

Yeah, 10% off is nice

Considering I just made a $280 dollar purchase on games last night

FallenAngelEyes

How much is it?

LessPop_MoreFizz

It's also on Gamersgate and Impulse

Grace Note

$17.99 including the 10% off, @Fall

FallenAngelEyes

nice

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143381 20bux, 18 through steam.

Grace Note

22:53

Until Sep 10th for pre-order... I might be able to convince someone to get it for me, hee

FallenAngelEyes

So probably 17.99 euro for me

Grace Note

It being translated and all that will make it much easier, too

And it works on 7, that was an important point

LessPop_MoreFizz

15 Euro 13 GBP

Grace Note

Well, come 2 or 3 I shall see about getting someone to pre-order it!

LessPop_MoreFizz

(all this info is in the SA thread I linked above. forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3329392 )

FallenAngelEyes

22:55

oh hey 13.49 euro, how nice for once! woo

LessPop_MoreFizz

Also, Steam is honestly pretty nice. I actually buy 90% of my games through it these days. it's just so easy

Grace Note

I imagine it is, but I have my ways of being stubborn

LessPop_MoreFizz

If anything fits the model of 'iTunes for Video Games' it's Steam.

Grace Note

That sounds like every reason I should avoid Steam

LessPop_MoreFizz

ahahaha

The newer features, like being able to sync save games across multiple computers and platforms are just icing to me.

FallenAngelEyes

22:57

not everything has Steam Cloud though

Wish Borderlands did :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143403 Yeah, most games don't, which is why it's just icing when one does.

Grace Note

I know someone who enjoyed Chantelise very well. I think we would like this game

FallenAngelEyes

I buy lots of indie games through Steam

LessPop_MoreFizz

Any game I'd actually use Steam Cloud tends to support it, if only because any game I'd use Steam Cloud for also supports SteamPlay to run on Mac and Windows.

Grace Note

This person has a Steam account. Mooch to the max!

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:58

And yeah, Steam is amazing for finding indie stuff.

Also, frighteningly generous sales.

Grace Note

Do they stock TWilight INSanity?

alexanderpas

I already have too much games on steam...

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143417 Don't see that on a quick search

Grace Note

@LessPop TWO STRIKES!

Eh? Didn't Eversion used to be freeware?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Eversion?

Grace Note

23:03

Simple platformer. Used Cocoron's music for the title and the first stage. Very eerie and cute in its eerieness. According to most people, the parts I found cute are apparently the opposite of how people are supposed to perceive it, though

I have to almost commend Steam for its decent indie game coverage... but I am noting a lack of... nearly everything I either play or wish to play.

LessPop_MoreFizz

there is some great stuff in there though.

Trine in particular is fantastic.

Grace Note

Sell it to me in 2 lines.

alexanderpas

:143429 playthisthing.com/eversion

I guess they upgraded...

FallenAngelEyes

Steam sales also pretty much saved Introversion, apparently. rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/23/…

(which I'm glad of as I'm a big Darwinia fan)

Grace Note

@alex It still is freeware, according to the creator's site. So I ponder why I'd spend $5 to buy it off of Steam

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:08

:143469 Side scrolling physics based platform puzzler.

:143469 Think The Lost Vikings on crack.

:143482 Yeah, the Introversion article is great. I know they got me to buy Defcon a second time around. Because Defcon is fucking incredible and worth buying 7 times.

alexanderpas

:143491 because the free version is not HD

FallenAngelEyes

Uplink's also awesome

Grace Note

@alex I can't even imagine paying $5 for a graphics upgrade

LessPop_MoreFizz

Uplink and Darwinia are good.

But neither is DEFCON.

DEFCON is quite possibly the greatest strategy game ever made.

alexanderpas

I have the uplink dev CD.

:143520 it includes achievements ;)

JavadocMD

23:11

Loved Trine. Some of the free-flowing parkour-like ways to get around the levels with the rogue were beautiful.

Grace Note

@alex Chances are I already accomplished most of them

alexanderpas

:143520 people pay dollars for horse armour....

Grace Note

@alex I don't, though. There are some things I will go crazy for to spend on, but that definitely ain't one

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143557 I love that useless DLC still gets called "Horse Armor".

JavadocMD

:143557 As usual The Oatmeal says it best. We're happy paying $7.00 for coffee, but ask us for 99 cents for an iPhone app and we wig out. theoatmeal.com/blog/apps

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:15

Especially because IIRC, the vast majority of people with Horse Armor never paid for it separately, but instead either got a code from Gamestop, or had it included w/ a GOTY edition.

tzenes

You know if people want to pay for horse armor, let them

Grace Note

If these analogies keep coming, I will start to appear as some sort of unsatisfiable misanthrope (I hate coffee, too)

tzenes

I don't see any thing wrong with it

@JavadocMD there are still some of us who refuse to pay $7.00 for coffee

JavadocMD

:143580 Clearly you have not the capacity for joy.

Grace Note

My joy starts with verniers

JavadocMD

23:16

@tzenes Ever go to the movies?

tzenes

@JavadocMD I have netflix

alexanderpas

:143591 1 coke + popcorn = 5EUR, ticket = 10EUR

JavadocMD

Obviously this isn't about any individual's purchases, but you have to admit a $10 game with 20 hours of game play is a pretty good deal

alexanderpas

that's 10EUR/hour on avarage.

tzenes

@JavadocMD depends on the gameplay

I would argue $10 for 20 hours of WoW is not a good deal

Grace Note

23:18

@Java That sounds like a good deal. $5 for a game I already beat to extreme distances does not

JavadocMD

@GraceNote I wasn't really suggesting you buy that particular game. :)

Although I would consider buying such a game as a way of saying "thanks" to the devs.

alexanderpas

:143608 unless it is so good, you want to support the devs, i've bought uplink twice!

tzenes

Adam Smith said it best: "[Games] are only worth what people will pay for them."

alexanderpas

steam sales saved introversion

tzenes

if people won't pay $.99 then they're not worth it

alexanderpas

23:21

I bought "code monky" by joco

Grace Note

I'm not one to squander money on that which I already own.

FallenAngelEyes

JoCO is awesome

Grace Note

If I want to express gratitude, I'm not going to mask it behind purchasing a game I don't see myself playing

alexanderpas

BTW: how many memes will portal2 create?

JavadocMD

@GraceNote I'm not judging. Just expressing how I like to do things.

tzenes

23:24

I'm with Grace on this one

I buy games so game developers will know what games I like

alexanderpas

Valve is a meme factory

tzenes

if I want to donate money I'll do it directly or to a Charity in their name

JavadocMD

@alexanderpas I'm worried the pressure is too high now and any attempts to create memes with Portal 2 will seem high-handed and gimmicky.

FallenAngelEyes

I bought the Humble Indie Bundle

Grace Note

What's the Humble Indie Bundle?

JavadocMD

23:25

:143637 That's what I'm saying. I'd do that with games that I like. I'm not suggesting I'd track down other games by a studio I like and buy them all and not play them.

tzenes

@fallen me too

I thought you were implying to bought this game as gratitude not to play it

FallenAngelEyes

It was a bundle of indie games that were available and you could pay whatever you chose

tzenes

my mistake then

JavadocMD

@tzenes If I had played it and enjoyed it in the past.

FallenAngelEyes

from $1 to... what was the highest single payment, can you remember, tzenes?

tzenes

23:26

@JavadocMD had you purchased it in the past?

I don't remember I think I paid $30

JavadocMD

@tzenes No, not in that case.

tzenes

which was the default

FallenAngelEyes

And you could choose how much money you wanted to go to the game's devs, to the Child's Play foundation and to something else that I can't remember

tzenes

ok, then I think you did the right thing

LessPop_MoreFizz

The highest payment was $3333.33

FallenAngelEyes

23:27

And they said if they made over a million dollars, they'd release the source code for the games they sold in it

and they did

LessPop_MoreFizz

Stats here: wolfire.com/humble

tzenes

I think it was just devs vs childs play

Grace Note

Which games were in it?

LessPop_MoreFizz

It was Devs, EFF and Childs Play

FallenAngelEyes

ah, the EFF too

tzenes

23:27

they also added games in later

Grace Note

Oh, hey, there's the list

tzenes

I had totally forgot about EFF

LessPop_MoreFizz

:143663 World of Goo, Aquaria, Gish, Lugaru, and Penumbra

Downvoter

nice, too bad I missed that!

tzenes

I think penumbra wasn't there when I bought it but I got an email about it later

Grace Note

23:28

Hola, @Juan

Downvoter

Hola

FallenAngelEyes

then Samerost 2 and Penumbra Overture were added

Grace Note

...is Juan's name italic for anyone else, or just me?

tzenes

ah that was it

for me as well grace

FallenAngelEyes

It is

Downvoter

23:29

I am the owner of the room @Grace

Grace Note

Ooh, fancy

Downvoter

(that's the reason)

Grace Note

I see, I see

JavadocMD

And by extension the owner of all within it.

Downvoter

muahahaha

tzenes

23:31

I really wish I could kill game-rec

alexanderpas

:143681 can you appoint multiple owners? if so, make all Gaming SE mods owners.

tzenes

I just don't want to spend my time on a site where opinions are placed next to real research

alexanderpas

kill -9 game-rec

tzenes

ps auxwww | grep "game-rec" | grep -v grep | wc -l

the number of game-recs

Downvoter

:143690 In the end, this will be a site shaped by the community as a whole

Downvoter

23:34

if the community wants them, there's nothing a single person can do short of participating in the debate and express his/her opinions

Grace Note

Well, I side with tzenes on this issue. I don't think having to compete against popular opinion for the same exposure will allow our authoritative content to perform well.

Downvoter

oh, I agree also though

Downvoter

the fact that the engine is not designed for it is a very strong argument against them

JavadocMD

I think the SE lineage provides a relevant precedent. When something didn't belong here, we made a new place for it over there. (Being tongue-in-cheek here.)

Grace Note

Even excluding the whole "grandfather clause", we still can't really compare game-rec to the SO subjectives because game-rec is vastly more mutable.

:143727 Isn't that largely dependent on your computer?

tzenes

23:40

@JavadocMD just because something has been done in the past does not mean it wasn't a poor decision at the time

I originally participated in game-rec

I didn't realize how toxic they were until much later

Grace Note

For example, the R-9DH's base keyboard doesn't support holding Z, Left, and either Up or Down simultaneously. But plug in the keyboard from my brother's computer, and I can play Lethal Crisis without any error

FallenAngelEyes

I believe that's a hardware limitation issue

alexanderpas

:143732 no, the better usb keyboards has solved that problem.

FallenAngelEyes

With certain keyboards

JavadocMD

:143738 I mean in the way Stack Overflow begat Server Fault begat Super User. 'Server admin questions didn't belong here on our programming Q&A site.'

FallenAngelEyes

23:42

ghosting key problem

alexanderpas

it's a hardware problem of both, certain keyboards, and also the PS/2 port

Grace Note

Mmm

Well, Strix took care of it

alexanderpas

generally, keyboards are layed out in two types, grid and point-to-point AFAIK.

tzenes

:143749 ah, I thought you were refering to the use of CW for questions like: Programming Comic

JavadocMD

:143760 It is similar, I suppose, with CW being a more kludgy way of dealing with things that almost fit. But the tongue-in-cheek part is that I'm not seriously suggesting there should be a dedicated site for game recommendations. Ridiculousness.

alexanderpas

23:47

►

Grace Note

@Javadoc My ideal vision is that the question should already fit before we even consider Community Wiki

JavadocMD

:143774 Chrono Trigger, how I love thee.

The Unhandled Exception

:143782 Yey Chrono Trigger!

The Unhandled Exception

one of my favorite games

JavadocMD

I spent so many countless blissful hours on that game. <3

tzenes

23:52

:143771 I think a dedicated site to game recommendations would be a great solution, sadly someone would have to build such a site as the SE engine is not good for it

JavadocMD

:143812 Precisely.

The Unhandled Exception

hey @GraceNote there's a discussion in the Tavern where people are asking for a mod of meta to help with a test. If you have a free moment :-)

Grace Note

@Josh I'm not a mod on Meta...

My diamond's only good on Gaming

The Unhandled Exception

oh. sorry, I was mistaken :-)

alexanderpas

otherwise she would be blue.

Grace Note

23:54

Does it involve closing as duplicates, Josh?

The Unhandled Exception

LOL

The Unhandled Exception

You're not a mod, you're a mindreader :-)

The Unhandled Exception

:143782 Did you hear about the group who planed to create a fan-sequel to Chrono Trigger?

Grace Note

Which group? There's a couple

JavadocMD

:143835 Think I might've heard something about them... did they get shut down by Enix?

The Unhandled Exception

23:57

:143840 Yeah, they did

The Unhandled Exception

:143838 There's a couple groups? I didn't know that

Grace Note

@Josh With a game like that, it's not unfathomable that a lot of people have that ambition

The Unhandled Exception

It was too bad, they were almost done

The Unhandled Exception

and what they had looked pretty good

Grace Note

But aye, I believe all of them were shut down. Quite hard.

The Unhandled Exception

23:59

Yeah I remember seeing the Cease and Desist letter

JavadocMD

Sad panda.

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