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3:00 PM
Didn't know that.
 
I fought this guy who was hitting me with an empty gun and I was using a meat cleaver and I had to run for my life.
@fbueckert You can find recipes for them somewhere
 
@GnomeSlice Are the recipes required to do stuff? Or can you use common sense?
 
FAE
@SaintWacko I can pretty much never stop laughing whenever I play co-op.
 
@fbueckert I think you can do them without the recipe. Like crafting tress into sticks adds the forest recipe to your repertoire.
 
@FAE Same here :D
It gets so ridiculous
@fbueckert You can use common sense. I started a campfire without a recipe
 
3:02 PM
@SaintWacko I still haven't done that. >< Sticks + lighter, right?
 
@fbueckert Sticks + lighter + small sticks or w/e it's called
The other thing you get from crafting a tree
 
@SaintWacko Yeah. I should carry some of that back to my campsite in the cryo facility.
 
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A: Is there any way to access the contents of an item without equipping it?

GnomeSliceIf you want to take an item OUT of a container, then the answer is no. The container has to be in your hand for you to manipulate the items inside it. However: IF you use the Consume tool on a container, the player will eat some food or drink some water or take some pills out of the container, ...

@SaintWacko
Also, you may have noticed already that pill bottles are actually containers.
 
I wish there was a way to gain more skills.
 
And they don't always have pills in them.
@fbueckert I think there is, there's a 'skills and abilities' screen.
But I've never survived more than a few days.
 
3:04 PM
@GnomeSlice Yeah, I had a container inside a container inside a container inside a container
 
@SaintWacko Containception!
 
@SaintWacko That's a good way to transport things.
You can also carry bags in your hands.
 
@GnomeSlice Oh, that's useful!
Meat cleaver in one hand, bag in the other
 
@SaintWacko Just don't overburden yourself, they fixed that in the last update.
 
@GnomeSlice Actually, most containers only provide exactly as much space as they take up. For the most part, only backpacks, and things in your hands work.
 
3:06 PM
Before it, I had two backpucks full of shit and it said I was unburdened.
@fbueckert Right, but it also lets you bring the container with you.
 
@GnomeSlice Only useful if you have a place to store that stuff later.
 
@fbueckert Find a new campsite.
I've been playing it wrong I think, I've been wandering around the world randomly when I should be moving from camp to camp.
 
@FAE hmm, interesting. my character is more or less invincible, though... is it still fun if there's really no way to die?
 
This game is too overwhelming, I can't figure out how to best proceed.
 
I'll probably see if I can goad @EBongo into picking it up and we can smash through it.
 
3:09 PM
@GnomeSlice That's where experimentation comes in!
 
@SaintWacko "crafting a tree" sounds weird
 
Wow, found quite a glitch in NEO Scavenger
 
FAE
@agent86 Skydiving in a panda suit through rings of fire to rooftops to kill mascots.
 
I can keep randomizing recipes
 
@FAE O_o
 
3:10 PM
@fbueckert @SaintWacko The 'Tracking' skill gives an interesting result in the Cryo Chamber, if you're interested. It's just some dialogue, and I've no idea if it's important, but it sounds like it might be.
 
so with three recipes I essentially have all of them
 
@SaintWacko I just mentioned that.
 
FAE
@agent86 Seriously.
 
If you have two recipes you can keep generating new ones.
 
although really, should I be surprised at this point? probably not.
 
3:11 PM
The more you have the faster you can do it.
 
@GnomeSlice Oh, must have missed that
 
FAE
@agent86 Gangstas in Space is fun stuff if you want to just go through the B movie-ness of it and also hear your character's voice actor do horrible horrible faux-acting.
 
@SaintWacko Are you transferring them back and forth from your inventory one at a time?
 
I'm just shuffling them around on the ground
 
FAE
@agent86 Clones, you get to do some fun stuff, like have superspeed and use fireballs. I'd recommend it for that alone.
 
3:12 PM
Stacking and unstacking them
 
@SaintWacko Oh, try turning off the 'whole stack thing' and just move them back and forth to your inventory and the ground repeatedly.
When you remove the second last one you'll get a bunch of new recipes in your list.
 
@GnomeSlice Hehe, nice
 
The UI still needs to be streamlined a bit in this game.
 
@FAE okay then. I'm sold :) plunks down MS points
 
FAE
@agent86 Should I feel guilty for convincing people to spend more money? <_<
 
3:14 PM
@FAE Which game is he spending it on?
 
FAE
@GnomeSlice Saints Row 3 DLC.
 
@FAE Ah, okay.
 
@FAE ah, I got a good deal on points this time around, so it's no biggie. I think I walked away with a $30 game and $40 worth of points for $30
 
FAE
@agent86 Oooh nice.
 
I just wish this came with the pre-order DLC, since I got shafted out of that :/
 
3:16 PM
@fbueckert @SaintWacko I'm sure you've both figured this out, but it took me a lot longer than it should have. You know you can use plastic shopping bags as backpacks right?
They disintegrate after a bit though.
 
@GnomeSlice Oh, yeah. No problem.
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah, I saw you say it yesterday
Oh hell, another dogman
 
@SaintWacko Run.
 
Even if I have a meat cleaver?
 
I can't figure the fighting out, it seems like I almost always lose.
@SaintWacko Yeah.
 
3:18 PM
@GnomeSlice I've never lost against a bandit
It's just these dogmen
 
Do you have the 'tough' or 'melee' skills?
 
@GnomeSlice Both :D
 
I've only killed like one bandit and had a couple run away.
There was a guy yesterday that had an empty rifle he was hitting me with, and I had a meat cleaver.
On the first hit he was bleeding, and I landed two of the flurry attacks on him.
I had to run away at the end with internal bleeding.
It was a joke.
 
LMFAO
The dogman tried to attack me, tripped, and I kicked it to death
 
so much violence
 
3:20 PM
With a few judicious meat cleaver chops thrown in for good measure
 
@SaintWacko I've never killed one of those. O.O
 
It won't let me continue to kick someone who's down... after two or three times the option goes away.
 
Oh, I never use flurry
 
@SaintWacko Yeah, avoid it.
 
@Ullallulloo Wow, I feel special :P
 
3:21 PM
Wow I suck at this game, you guys are all better than me at it already...
 
I haven't killed anything.
 
> Player is weary
Wow, I've been fighting this guy for so long I went from well-rested to weary.
 
Whoa, no wonder there was a dogman here. So much loot!
 
0
Q: How does the new Challenge mode work?

JagdI have two questions here, but both deal with the new "challenge mode" in Warcraft. 1) How does one go about running an instance in challenge mode? In other words, is there something specific that you have to do before starting the instance in order to put it into challenge mode, or is it someth...

 
3:22 PM
But then, I usually take feeble or fragile for an extra skill.
 
user2334
 
Wow fuck that, I was bleeding with a concussion.
How the hell have you guys never lost to bandits?
 
@RonanForman (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
@GnomeSlice I have, just not usually.
 
@MarkTrapp how many shades?
 
@Ullallulloo How!?
 
3:24 PM
50, perhaps?
 
user2334
@badp one. The shade of defeat
 
@GnomeSlice Guess I'm just good at combat
 
I had melee and tough skills, and I had to run from that idiot.
I hit him a million times.
 
@MarkTrapp Shog's proposal isn't unreasonable and not actually any different from what would happen before that was posted
 
I'll leave the rest of this junk for the bandit I just ran off
 
user2334
3:26 PM
@badp provides no formalized recourse for people who aren't moderators
 
I wish you could actually make friends with people in this
I'd become the leader of a group of bandits
 
@MarkTrapp You can't deny that it's hard for non moderators to properly audit what moderators are up to
 
@SaintWacko I helped a bandit woman give birth the other day. It said the guards slapped me on the back as I left.
 
@GnomeSlice What weapon?
 
@Ullallulloo Fist, but he had fists too.
 
3:27 PM
@GnomeSlice That's awesome
 
@SaintWacko The other option was to not untangle the umbilical right away and give the kid brain damage. They kind of hustled me into the situation.
 
@GnomeSlice Heh, yeah
 
I'm not sure if that meant later on I'd get some reward or help from them.
Would be cool if I did.
 
user2334
@badp Having played for both sides, I disagree wholeheartedly. Being a diamond moderator is not the Wizard of Oz
 
@MarkTrapp reference: [×] missed [_] not missed
 
3:29 PM
Heh, bandit shows up. Last move: Flee from player
 
@SaintWacko Immediately?
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah
 
@SaintWacko Humph.
 
Probably because just before I killed the dogman I had encountered him, and threatened him with a meat cleaver
 
My best success in fights is to 'sneak away from battle'.
 
3:30 PM
The he watched me kick a dogman to death
 
@SaintWacko Heh
 
Wouldn't you run away?
 
I suppose I would.
I can't figure out what makes one weapon better than another.
The crowbar never seems to work that well, even though it's heavier than the wrench
My very first game I used a wrench and beat up some guys pretty good.
 
Yeah, I'm carrying a meat cleaver and a wrench, and a pan which I suspect would make a fairly good weapon
 
@SaintWacko You can use it as one, but it's not great.
The wrench is a lot heavier.
 
3:31 PM
@GnomeSlice I figured
I'm pretty happy with this meat cleaver, though
 
I hit a guy with a cleaver yesterday like 20 times and he hit me with the butt of his rifle and he won.
He was bleeding for the entire battle too.
 
@GnomeSlice Do you just use the normal attack?
 
@SaintWacko Yes.
That time though, I tried flurry twice and got him both times.
 
@GnomeSlice try using some of the other things, too, the tackles and leg sweeps and such
 
In addition to a bunch of standard attacks.
@SaintWacko I do.
 
3:32 PM
@GnomeSlice Oh, okay
 
I've never seen the leg sweep before until just now.
That's weird...
Usually I always seem to miss the guy with everything, but that guy I hit almost every time and STILL lost.
 
I wonder if he was bugged
wasn't actually taking damage, or something
 
He was bleeding.
I dunno.
I eventually retreated to the Cryofacility to heal my internal bleeding and by the time I came out again there were like 5 bandits and a dogman. I eventually got BACK to the cryo facility and then died of heatstroke while sleeping.
yes! cabin in the woods!
 
@GnomeSlice Probably a Melee move.
 
user2334
@badp Reference, idiom; in the Oz series, everyone thinks the Wizard of Oz is a great sorceror who is capable of solving any problems, but is really just a regular dude who uses props and tricks to maintain his larger-than-life persona
 
user15026
3:35 PM
@RonanForman I love this so very much.
 
@Ullallulloo Yeah, I had that skill on my first game.
I've been trying to make a guy using 'ranged' but I've never found a gun and bullets yet.
 
@AshleyNunn Why thank ya'.
 
user15026
@RonanForman You are most welcome.
 
@fbueckert @SaintWacko You guys know how to put water into bottles right?
 
@GnomeSlice Take water?
 
3:36 PM
Just use the move tool, pick it up in your inv, and drop it on the bottle.
@fbueckert Oh, does that work now? It didn't before the last update.
 
Just make sure you have an empty bottle, and when you take water, it's automatic.
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah
@fbueckert Yep.
 
@fbueckert Ah, the empty bottle has to be in your inventory though, not on the ground.
 
@GnomeSlice On the ground != you have an empty bottle
 
> Looter desperately retreats from the player
Word of me being a badass has gotten around
 
3:38 PM
This is so unfair, how are you guys doing so well at this game already.
@SaintWacko What skill traits do you have?
 
@GnomeSlice Athletic Tough Melee Metabolism
 
@SaintWacko That's it?
Wow, so you don't get any bonus items either.
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah
@GnomeSlice Nope
 
I must be fucking terrible at this.
 
@SaintWacko Those are exactly the ones I don't take. :P
Really should the first time, though.
 
3:40 PM
@fbueckert And you still rarely lose to bandits.
 
@fbueckert Yeah, I took those because they seemed like good traits to make it easier
 
@fbueckert Tough gives you Headbutt.
 
@GnomeSlice I've never won against a bandit.
 
So much water and cola
 
I've gotten them to run a couple times, but that's about it.
 
3:41 PM
@fbueckert Oh, okay. That's about where I'm at, then.
If you have the hiding skill you can pretty reliably sneak away from a fight.
 
If I leave items in the cryo place, will they stay there?
 
@SaintWacko Yes, but you should get in the habit of putting them in the CAMP, and not on the ground.
 
@GnomeSlice Alright
 
@SaintWacko You know how to do that?
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A: How do I repair the lighting and heater in the cryo chamber?

GnomeSliceThe menus in this game aren't very intuitive (yet), and this isn't explained very well. Once you figure out how to get around the UI quirks, everything should make more sense. Let's walk through this scenario: First, open the Camp screen while standing on the Cryo Facility's hex (click the b...

The second image there is how you put things in a camp
Also, some things give your camp a bonus.
Like a sleeping bag or a fire.
 
@GnomeSlice So you have to drop anything you want in the camp on the ground first?
 
3:45 PM
@SaintWacko Yeah.
 
@GnomeSlice And the better the sleeping bag, the less sleep you need, I believe.
 
It makes more sense when you look at the camp screen.
I should stop using so many negative attributes, because it isn't helping.
 
@GnomeSlice Metabolism isn't a big deal; food is pretty plentiful, especially if you balance it with botany.
 
@fbueckert I keep nearly dying of thirst or hunger because there are bandits everywhere.
And insomniac is actually a much bigger problem than I thought it was, I think.
Also... does anyone know what you can do with soup?
I'm assuming I need a fire. Oh, that's probably why I've never done anything with soup.
 
Ooh, good-size town
 
3:48 PM
@SaintWacko I had a town yesterday with four scavenge points and didn't find a single thing. I think the longer you stay in one area, the more stuff gets picked up by the bandits.
 
@GnomeSlice Multitool + soup should open the can, I think.
 
@fbueckert Doesn't do anything.
I probably need to put it with a pot and a fire.
 
@GnomeSlice No? Huh.
That was a complete guess, but it made sense.
I like to litter my campsite with open cans I find, filled with berries I find all over the place.
 
@SaintWacko I found an even faster way to duplicate recipes. Just stack two up in a bag or something and keep clicking on the stack with the move tool and 'move whole stack turned off'
Every time you restack the top one you have a chance to get a new recipe
What a weird bug.
Now when I threaten guys with a crowbar (with tough and melee) they run away.
 
2
Q: Do lighters ever run out of fuel?

UllallullooI've found a ton of lighters, but they don't seem to be one-time use like I expected. Do they ever run out, or should I drop the rest and just start carrying around one?

0
Q: How often should I sprint in terror missions?

Jonah BishopIn terror missions, where I'm expected to save as many civilians as possible, I'm having a difficult time actually getting to the civilians in time. By the time my guys have cautiously moved up, I've lost 4 or 6 civilians. Am I essentially supposed to have my units sprint each turn to cover as m...

 
3:55 PM
Lasted almost 5 days that time.
Almost half-way to the glow.
I died from internal bleeding, but I didn't even know I was hurt.
 
@Ullallulloo Were you not in pain?
 
@GnomeSlice Maybe a little.
I don't think so though.
 
@Ullallulloo It should say. Weird. Maybe you can't heal internal bleeding...
 
@GnomeSlice I was coughing up blood the night before, but then I slept, and I thought I was better.
Huh, I just found gloves.
 
You guys are making me want to play Wasteland.
 
4:02 PM
I found 3 bullets, a scope, and a sling, but no gun.
 
Oh hell, now I'm bleeding internally
 
user15026
Taking all this stuff out of context is very, very entertaining
 
@AshleyNunn Haha, I hadn't thought of that :D
I wonder if I should take some antibiotics...
 
user15026
@SaintWacko It's delightful. :D I am like OH GOD ALL MY FRIENDS ARE DYING OH NO
 
yes! Sleeping bag!
 
4:05 PM
@SaintWacko Your first one?
 
this game, yeah
 
@Ullallulloo Cool, never seen those before.
@Ullallulloo I've only found guns in two games. Found two of them in one game.
And I've only found bullets once.
Not with a gun.
 
@GnomeSlice Every forest shack I've found had a rifle
But still no bullets.
 
@fbueckert Weird.
I found two in a forest shack.
But most of the time they don't have one for me.
 
Yep, if it's getting late I need to just find a forest or a town and stay there.
 
4:12 PM
@Ullallulloo Not sure if you can bar the door if you stay in a town somewhere.
 
Aww, game just glitched
It's stuck infinitely ending my turn
not giving me any chances for action
Well this sucks. This game was going really well
 
@SaintWacko Are you unconscious?
That's what happens.
 
user2334
@GnomeSlice Wrong. EPS files are majestic and easily manipulable.
 
@MarkTrapp If you know what to do with them, yes.
 
user2334
4:19 PM
If you don't know what to do with them, you're either 5, 85, or functionally unable to use the internet
 
@MarkTrapp Or you don't have experience working with vector graphics.
 
I'm a web developer, and I have no idea what a EPS file is
 
That or you prefer designing your medium in...your medium
 
@Sterno Ditto.
 
2
Q: What's "Bonus Item" in Diablo 3?

Reno Yeo So I haven't actually played Diablo 3 in a long time, and I'm curious about the new update. Seems like there's now a "+Bonus Item" for the new Monster Level System. Does anyone know what's that about? What does it do?

 
user2334
4:22 PM
@GnomeSlice EPS is a container format that every image manipulation program ever made ever can manipulate; you don't need to have experience working with vector graphics to know what to do with them
 
@Sterno File format for saving vector graphics that can be recognized by every vector graphics software.
 
e.g. using photoshop instead of HTML and CSS to show your HTML & CSS design skills
 
I didn't see the word "Enterprise" in there. NO wonder I have no idea
 
illustrator actually not PS
 
@MarkTrapp Refer to @Sterno and @BenBrocka
 
user2334
4:23 PM
@Sterno @fbueckert you're welcome
 
user2334
 
@MarkTrapp Oh, I did google it after it was brought up. I'm just saying, I didn't fear what I didn't know!
 
@MarkTrapp If I really wanted to know, I can find out. No need to be snarky.
 
@MarkTrapp I don't think they were asking what it is so much as telling you that they don't know what it is.
...Nope, Photoshop can't save to EPS. It's for vector graphics only.
But I did double check just to be sure.
 
user2334
@fbueckert snarky comments beget snarky LMGTFY searches
 
4:25 PM
@MarkTrapp 'I don't know what that is' is hardly a snarky comment.
 
@MarkTrapp You classify ditto as snarky. Got it.
2
 
I think we should ban him, I don't agree with what he says.
 
user2334
@GnomeSlice Ah, you magnificent fool.
 
user2334
 
@MarkTrapp If you say so.
@MarkTrapp Oh, I was looking for 'e'
That's not a real EPS then.
Oh maybe it is.
 
4:27 PM
@fbueckert It's okay. @MarkTrapp is talking to @GnomeSlice. We're just getting the spillover anger. :)
 
user2334
@fbueckert ditto is the snarkiest of POSIX-compliant commands
 
It's an EPS with an embedded bitmap, apparently.
What's the point of even using an EPS then.
 
user2334
@GnomeSlice Yes, it's as real as you and me
 
@MarkTrapp Then I don't see the point, use a bitmap image format instead.
 
user2334
4:27 PM
@GnomeSlice No, it's not. it's a real EPS. EPSes can contain rasters.
 
@BenBrocka I was wondering when someone would get around to posting that. :P
 
@MarkTrapp Yes. The raster is embedded in it.
@MarkTrapp This is all beside the point, if you're using a bitmap image editing program to edit the EPS your web designer sent you, you're doing it wrong.
Designers work in vector.
 
user2334
Oh, GnomeSlice, don't stop being you
 
Besides which, neither @Sterno or @BenBrocka are 5 or 85, and they both clearly know how to use the internet...
@MarkTrapp You know I'm a multimedia student, right?
 
@GnomeSlice Ok. You can stop talking now.
I think it just went completely over your head.
 
4:30 PM
@fbueckert I'll stop when I want to stop.
 
user2334
@GnomeSlice Then you still have a lot to learn! I've been in the design business for 10 years; my family for almost 30.
 
@MarkTrapp My point was that I'm not clueless.
Give me some credit.
@MarkTrapp Is you're a designer of course you know what an EPS is...
 
user2334
@GnomeSlice Your comments here about what EPS files are and what designers work in suggest otherwise
 
@MarkTrapp Whatever.
 
I invented the Internet. And the question mark.
 
4:31 PM
I'm not in the mood for this shit today.
 
user2334
@Sterno Yawn, wake me up when you invent the interrobang
 
3
A: What Do the Red Footprints On the Map Mean?

Daniel FedorThose are your (or another creature's) tracks. Red means that they are easy to see, and faded means they are harder to see. The redness is based on both the freshness, and your ability to track others (via the Tracking skill). Rain and time will cause tracks to disappear gradually, as will the "...

Everyone should upvote this new user.
 
@Sterno You'd be super cool if you invented my lunch, too.
 
He even came back a few days later and edited it to address my comment.
 
@TimStone If your lunch was a ham sandwich with potato chips crushed on top, you're in luck!
 
4:39 PM
Sounds good to me!
 
I use a patented potato chip crushing technique.
 
@GnomeSlice I shouldn't have been. I had just escaped from a battle and it glitched out
 
"Player shredded Bandit's lower chest with a meat cleaver."
 
@GnomeSlice Is that the creator of the game?
 
@SaintWacko I don't think so, he didn't mention it, anyway.
Oh, maybe it is!
 
4:41 PM
> In either case, I agree that's a bit unintuitive, so I'll add a to-do to look into it. Thanks!
 
Someone go tell me what I'm missing
1
Q: Why can't I retag this question?

SternoA friend of mine created this question about Battlestations, but didn't have the rep to create a tag for it. Having 273 rep, I figured I'd retag it for him. However, I can't, as I get the following error: Per the FAQ, it seems like I should have permission to retag at 200 reputation. Am I mis...

 
@SaintWacko Yep, 'Daniel Fedor' is the game's developer!
Awesome!
 
@GnomeSlice Thought so :)
 
Meta needs a tag
 
@Ullallulloo Do pills stack?
 
4:42 PM
@SaintWacko Up to ten.
 
@Ullallulloo That would explain why when I consumed a pill bottle it didn't show a decrease
good to know
 
And I died of dehydration. Two spaces away from the cryo facility
Damnit, that game was going so well!
I had everything I needed to last a very long time
 
@SaintWacko You were still at the cryo facility?
How many days?
 
@GnomeSlice I don't remember
Didn't look
 
4:44 PM
@Sterno Hmm...Does the same thing happen if you don't manually include the edit summary?
 
That was really disappointing
 
@SaintWacko I think if you stay in one place too long, it starts to get really hard to find stuff, and there are more enemies about.
 
@TimStone It wouldn't let me leave out an edit summary, so I don't know
Or rather, no. A different thing happens. It tells me I need an edit summary. :)
 
@Sterno Oh. >_> And it was just the retag screen, not the full edit screen?
Could be a bug related to the fact that on graduated sites, the create tags privilege comes after the retag privilege...and the check here isn't taking that into account.
 
@TimStone Aha! That was probably the problem. I didn't even know there was a "just retag" screen
 
4:46 PM
Muahah!
I am dual wielding saucepans!
While wearing one boot!
 
@TimStone You solved the mystery! +1000 Internet points!
 
\o/
 
That didn't imagify
But it's your reward
 
That looks delicious. I wonder if I have stuff to make a sandwich...
 
user2334
hi
 
user2334
4:52 PM
Someone answer this correctly so I can stop camping this spawn already
 
user2334
Entering hour 24
 
@MarkTrapp Here ya go
 
user2334
Looks like someone's jimmies are a tad rustled
 
Jackpot!
 
@MarkTrapp Funny, that's how I feel when you say smartass things to me, too.
 
4:55 PM
Rifle, binoculars, rifle shoulder sling, sleeping bag, backpack, water, food
medicine
 
user2334
 
@SaintWacko Binoculars have to be in your hand to get the benefit.
 
@GnomeSlice Alright. I'm myopic, so they'll be very useful
 
This guy has a gun and bullets.
He shot me.
 
@GnomeSlice Hmm, I'm guessing the second user account to edit the answer was unintentional?
Maybe we should try to get them merged.
 
4:57 PM
@bwarner ...Huh. I didn't even notice.
@bwarner Yeah, we should.
@bwarner He has the same gravatar though, are they actually different accounts?
Huh. Yeah, they are.
 
user4704
Hello people.
 
user4704
this is a shameless plug of sorts: arena.net/blog/…
 
@Josh No problem, its more relevant than most of the stuff we talk about here!
 

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