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Memor-X

04:54

does anyone here play Final Fantasy XIV and also monitor their data usage?

am curious as to how much data it uses outside of patching

Nzall

@Memor-X I'm not sure about FFXIV specifically, but when I did this for WoW, it generally was only a couple KB/s

Like, it was a negligibly small amount

Nzall

06:34

Man, I had A LOT of fun yesterday saying my extended family again for my birthday party

ave

07:24

@Memor-X grafana.ave.zone/d/Gjlm2vink/…

I was playing FFXIV for majority of saturday. Outside of the patch later in the day, most usage seems to be only couple of kb/s indeed.

(tho that graph also includes rest of the home network, including us watching stuff during/after the patch, etc)

(also like, do note that sustained kb/s over many hours adds up to a lot)

Nzall

@ave Suppose it's 5 KBps. That's 18 MB per hour. Suppose you're playing the game for 24 hours per day for an entire month, it's a little under 13 GB. I use more than that on a daily basis

And that's the ABSOLUTE worst case: using it every moment of the day for an entire month. You're much more likely to play 2-3 hours per day, at which point it's closer to a GB per month

assuming you play every day. If you only play every 2-3 days, it's like 300 MB per month

So what I'm saying is: if you are strapped for bandwidth, there are likely better ways to reduce your usage

ave

@Nzall I guess this is my work-brain corrupting me ^^ We deal with infra that has severely limited traffic limits and the load is usually persistent over a whole month, so we have to think of all the small details.

Nzall

07:40

@ave you're EXTREMELY unlikely to run FFXIV on a connection where the tiny throughput it takes is gonna matter

ave

is this a challenge? ;p

I do have some data sims and 3g modems lying on my desk rigth now

Nzall

@ave What is the datacap on those things?

ave

but yeah no, ack your point

@Nzall depends on what i pay for. iirc it has 5GB rn?

Nzall

I think you might even be able to play the game on a 2G modem

ave

I think that'd make the angry germans that keep matching with me on duty finder with even more angry

Nzall

07:43

2G has a max throughput of about 100 Kbps

ave

can you actually get that much in practice tho

Nzall

Maybe on 2G Edge

which AFAIK is the most common 2G network still in use

Goes to 0.3 Mbps theoretically, and 0.1 Mbps typical

ave

going to try it out, fingers crossed

Nzall

@ave be sure to also try out a trial or maybe even an Alliance Raid

Because I've found those are generally the highest demanding

ave

oh I meant a speedtest

Actually I think-- what the heck

so I have an x on my network icon, speedtest.net can't even find a provider

but somehow slack notifs go through??

Memor-X

09:00

@ave yeh that's what i'm trying to work out in the end. we recently got NBN via Satellite but unlike the ADSL2 connection which is unlimited it's only 60GB On Peak a month (190GB off peak but that's only between 1am and 7am) so i'll be measuring how much data is taken up via the remote connection to work and depending on how much it has left and how much the game uses i might try out Final Fantasy XIV

ave

@Memor-X yeah it seems doable

Memor-X

i still have the ADSL2 connection aswell so i can connect to it, get any patches before i log in and then switch router to the NBN to minimalize how much is taken from the 60GB

ave

@Memor-X why'd you switch btw, out of curiosity?

Memor-X

Telstra messed up a couple of weeks ago which knocked out the internet and they blamed it on the router. their solution was to wait 3-4 business days for a new one from them but we got a new one ourselves to set it up and it was a no go and Telstra refused to progress tech support until their router arrived. it prevented me from doing work but i had plenty of leave i could use but my mum was getting angsty because she couldn't get onto ebay so she talked to my brother and he suggested getting Satellite not only "to be more reliable" but also apparently better tech support.

ave

@Memor-X I see

how's the speeds, latency etc on sat?

Memor-X

09:16

@ave haven't really checked yet. only just started working today but i was still on the ADSL2 Connection. we have NBN25 and according the ISP's site "Typical evening speed 25Mbps download"

ave

@Memor-X interesting.

If you do run such tests I'd love to see the results.

esp latency difference between adsl2 and sat

Memor-X

@ave sure, i'll provably run SpeedTest and some other sites tomorrow morning before work since i wont be downloading on Steam at the same time

SPArcheon

12:40

Finshed NMS expedition three. I hate the exclusive companion egg mutant thing and the way it moves.

SPArcheon

12:55

Nzall

14:51

So I had a party yesterday with my extended family (37 adults inc. me) for my 31st birthday (since 30th was delayed by a year). They asked me what gift I'd prefer, I said I'd prefer money for a new desk chair. I ended up getting 3X more than I thought I'd get, so I'm not just buying a new chair, I'm also buying a new monitor. For chair I'm considering the SecretLab Titan Evo XL, and for monitor the Samsung Odyssey G7. Any of you got any thoughts on either item?

Fredy31

15:15

idk secretlab always felt like 'buying the brand' for me

kinda like apple over android

but never actually tried their chairs

Nzall

@Fredy31 I'd say it's a bit more than that. Secretlab has consistently scored at the top of the rankings in gaming chair reviews

Fredy31

Idk, on desk setup I bought a rising desk last week and god i love it

ikea.com/ca/en/p/bekant-desk-sit-stand-white-black-s09022540

Nzall

As in, if you google "best gaming chairs" and open everything on the first place, 1 of the search entries is SecretLabs themselves, 1 doesn't have them compete in the ranking, and the other 8 all have a Secretlab chair as the winner, and often even a second one somewhere down as well

Fredy31

so maybe i'm having the 'new gadget pink glasses' with my raising desk, but with money over, if you work from home, I would buy that raising desk

i guess that also depends how demolished your old chair is

and for monitors, well I'm in the camp of 'does it show images? if yes, then well, no need to change it'

Nzall

16:01

Apparently Facebook is down

Batophobia

...and there was much rejoicing?

Fredy31

16:39

what i heard is that conspiracy theorists are screaming that they beat the demon that tries to censor them... facebook

but they cant post it in their facebook groups so they can't express their glee to anyone, because they spent the last year and a half pushing any person that has half a brain out of their lives

and I'll stop dunking here because this is not TIF

badp

18:27

@Batophobia I'm doing my little happy dance

Fredy31

@badp Productivity in the world probably tripled in the last 2-3 hours

luckily for us we got Arqade to distract us. So our productivity hasn't budged

Wipqozn

18:58

Screenshot of the Week #49

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Sepia Lazers

19:16

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Hello and welcome to the forty-ninth edition of the Screenshot of the Week! To start with, congratulations to the winner of the previous contest! pinckerman's submission of them admiring the horizon of a ringed planet in no-manys-sky with 13 upvotes! To submit a screenshot, simply post it as an ...

Wipqozn

@SepiaLazers I originally created this an hour early and deleted it just so it be ready, so I wasn't sure if lazers would actually grab it. Good job buddy.

SaintWacko

19:34

@Fredy31 Whew!

Batophobia

19:45

Weren't people calling the police last time Facebook went down?

Fredy31

19:57

well hear about that in a few days i guess

I know DNS problems are the fucking worst but really? we are going on to about 4-5 hours of outage rn?

guess even the best webdevs in the world have days where they can't seem to make shit work

Mad Scientist

@Fredy31 pretty sure no webdevs involved in solving this. This is almost certainly at a different level like BGP

Nzall

20:23

@MadScientist it is

Apparently the authoritative DNS servers for Facebooks had all their routes deleted

so EVERY domain they own is down

Mad Scientist

From what I understand they essentially deleted themselves at the BGP level, which also removed all their DNS servers from the internet

Nzall

In addition, the backup IRC client they had in case messenger went down was ALSO on their domain name, so that also went down. AND they can't enter their buildings because their badge system can't authenticate with their servers, because those are also down

@MadScientist yeah, that's what I meant: they were withdrawn from BGP

Yuuki

@Fredy31 that's my secret, cap. i'm never productive

Fredy31

@Nzall that seems to be a fucking big crash

like that is starting to seem like an actual attack and not a fuckup

Nzall

@Fredy31 attack, OR a disgruntled employee. There are rumors that whoever updated the BGP records did so during the 60 minutes interview roughly 12 hours before it started

Which would be enough time for the records to drop

Fredy31

20:32

@Nzall would be crazy that FB doesnt have disgruntled employee protection

also how big was that employee if he can singlehandedly crash FB for 4-5h worldwide

and he was not checked on the way out

Yuuki

based on what i've heard from various people, the tech industry as a whole is a lot more vulnerable to disgruntled employees than you would expect

Fredy31

lol

I had an agency where I worked that used the same UN/PW for all sites

and didn't change it when an employee left

so yeah

but I would have tought that facebook was as crap :p

Fredy31

20:55

So... Just fucking imagine this IS an attack, by google to crash one of their competitors... AND THEY NOW ANNOUNCE GOOGLE PLUS IS BACK! WITH A STEEL CHAIR!

SaintWacko

21:14

@Unionhawk Oh goddamnit

Well, guess that's a clue scroll I'll be dropping

Unionhawk

21:26

lol

You do only need to start legends to get there but

wait you finished legends that's right

the magic logs are locked now

Yeah that step is particularly annoying for ironmen

you need two distinct items from hard clues

SaintWacko

21:47

@Unionhawk Exactly, that's my problem

Lazers 2.0

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SaintWacko

Oh hey, Facebook is back

ToxicFrog

yeah :/

SaintWacko

23:23

Ugh, crap

I got a Slayer Tower task, so I went to do the morytania diaries

But I have to get a new task as part of that -.-

Unionhawk

23:58

Yep had that same issue trying to do mory medium, which task?

Apparently mory hard requires piety so that's the general next direction (also piety is good)

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