The Bridge

Arda Xi

16:01

well, the tanner in a strange mood went berserk

luckily I locked him up

Stefano Borini

16:14

I take a look around, cheers

Grace Note

16:32

Hey all~

Arda Xi

turns out, if you leave fish in the exact same spot where you find it, it starts to rot

Ivo Flipse

hello @GraceNote

Grace Note

Anyone heard of/tried out a 360 game called 'Resonance of Fate'?

Saw it while finally getting around to purchasing my PS3 this tax-free weekend. Seemed like something that might have some level of intrigue.

Hey, @Ivo

Ivo Flipse

nope, I haven't bought a 360 game in a long time

Grace Note

I haven't for a year, but that's region-locking for you

Ivo Flipse

16:46

where you from?

Grace Note

I live in the US, but my 360 is JP

Ivo Flipse

ah, not very handy no

figures why you would like the game

Grace Note

So I can only play what few region-free games, or what's marked "NTSC-J" on the box

Ivo Flipse

not my type of game, that's for sure

Grace Note

Which part of it seems like why I'd like the game? The costume design?

Ivo Flipse

16:49

hehe no, but funny that you mention it yourself :P

no more the turnbased rpg elements and the fact you own a Japanese xbox

Grace Note

Ahha

I actually bought the JP 360 for things like Deathsmiles (shoot-em-up)

Ivo Flipse

you sure have a distinct taste ;)

Grace Note

That I do~

Ivo Flipse

I appreciate a good story, but I don't mind it if the game's done in 8 hours (as long as I haven't paid 60€ for it)

well, I'd rush any game till the end in no time anyway

so these games that give me 40 hours of gameplay would last too long

since I didn't have the chance to play regularly, which takes the fun out of the story

and I have absolutely no patience for turn based games

Grace Note

Makes sense

I enjoy a lot of good action games, too

Armored Core: 4 Answer is the reason why I wanted a 360 in the first place

Ivo Flipse

16:57

I bought the PS3 for Uncharted 1 & 2

surely worth it

had some fun with Assassins creed until I finished it

and God of War 3 was just a must have

Popular Demand

At the risk of jumping into an existing discussion out of context: ugh, AC.

Grace Note

Star Ocean 4, Disgaea 3, and ultimately Trinity Universe is why I eventually needed to purchase a PS3

Buying Trinity Universe before the PS3 kinda helped that motivation, but we also got a Ratchet and Clank game today

What's wrong, @Pop?

Ivo Flipse

did you play AC2 @PopularDemand?

perhaps I should give those kind of games a shot, but there's soooo many others games I could waste my time with as well

Popular Demand

Yeah, I felt like both games were 100% grinding though.

Ivo Flipse

yeah, but I didn't play part one

so for me part 2 was just experimenting with the fighting and such

Grace Note

17:00

Actually, Armored Core is a bit safe to play without grinding

Popular Demand

I eventually gave up on AC2; can't remember any other time I started a game and didn't finish it.

Ivo Flipse

but the sometimes crappy controls/camera make the puzzles a pain in the ass

Grace Note

Because you can sell things back at the same price you buy, it's very much fine to just re-outfit your mech to your own specs

Popular Demand

Sorry, Assassin's Creed, not Armored Core.

Ivo Flipse

indeed, not the WoW kind of crack @GraceNote where they force you to keep on grinding

Grace Note

17:01

...gah. THIS is why acronyms are bad!

Popular Demand

My bad. I entered the room when Ivo mentioned it.

Grace Note

I already have enough trouble with Armored Core and Ace Combat! And they're both heavy machinery!

Popular Demand

Never tried WoW.

Ivo Flipse

well the only game I can't stand to finish is Resistance 2

Grace Note

No worries, Pop. I had just mentioned AC4A just 3 lines earlier, so I expected that mehself

Ivo Flipse

17:02

and don't understand the controls on Street Fighter 4

and Need for Speed isn't worth the bother to finish :P

Grace Note

If you guys like 3rd person action, customization, and importantly explosive giant robots, I do recommend trying out some of the Armored Core series.

Plus it's great if you have a friend or sibling for versus

Popular Demand

Third person action, you say?

Ivo Flipse

well I can't wait for the next holiday season

Rock Band 3 with a real guitar, Kinect dancing and fitness :P

Grace Note

AC3:SL had an optional FPS view but it wasn't really that good when you've got a laser blade

Popular Demand

I can't see being an early adopter on Kinect.

Popular Demand

17:05

Though my new tiny living room has a lot to do with that.

Ivo Flipse

well I have a personal interest in 3d measuring

so I'm just very interested in how well the technology performs

Popular Demand

Gotcha.

Ivo Flipse

I'm a human movement scientist, so normally my toys would be a bit more expensive than 150$

3d camera systems can run for over 100.000$

Grace Note

Hah

Ivo Flipse

so if they release an SDK for kinect with high def cameras

they might serve my purpose

Popular Demand

17:07

Fair enough.

Grace Note

Very resourceful

It's interesting always, to see how resourceful people get with consoles

Ivo Flipse

and I'm actually curious if I could just use 10 of them

Grace Note

I once read a story about a physicist who used 7 PS3s as a replacement for a supercomputer

Ivo Flipse

and see how 'accurate' the data will be

Popular Demand

Heh.

Popular Demand

17:09

Too expensive for me, but good luck to you, sir.

Ivo Flipse

the university of Antwerp built a computer rig with SLI

Grace Note

SLI?

Ivo Flipse

dvhardware.net/article27538.html

multiple Nvidia gpus

beats a 1m super computer for their purpose

Grace Note

Ah

Ivo Flipse

►

they have CT scans, where the modelling used to take days

now a couple of hours I think

Popular Demand

17:11

Is there any actual meta-discussion to be done about Gaming?

Ivo Flipse

it's getting more quit on meta.gaming actually

or Starcraft just buries them deeple

Popular Demand

I picked a horrible time to move.

Popular Demand

Wiped out my Fanatic progress too....

Grace Note

What kind of discussion you looking for, @Pop?

Ivo Flipse

awh, perhaps it's good for the site @PopularDemand, since you'll have to try and get it yet again!

game over, do you want to continue? visit the site for 30 days in a row!

Grace Note

17:14

I mean, we still have the never ending debate

Ivo Flipse

I stopped debating @GraceNote and just vote to close

Popular Demand

I meant my SO/MSO Fanatic progress.

Grace Note

But on a more core issue, we don't have any discussion about the design/theme we want

Popular Demand

But I definitely missed out on the start of a lot of stuff, too.

Popular Demand

:87874 Oh god those are three separate links.

Grace Note

17:15

And it's not including a link to the question I asked, which linked 5 others, @Pop

Popular Demand

... please excuse me for a moment.

Grace Note

I also personally don't really think Quicksave is such a good idea for a site name

It's great for PC gamers. But that logical step of "Quick, save me from X" is not one that most gamers will be thinking so easily

Ivo Flipse

it couldn't get any clearer than gamefaqs but they won't sell theirs :P

Grace Note

Yeah

Ivo Flipse

but really @GraceNote in my experience with both SO and SU, questions will start popping up in Google

and people only notice the lame name afterwards

Grace Note

17:17

That's how I found SO

I used the hyphen site for 4 years of internship. This year, I noticed this SO place was getting me better answers

Ivo Flipse

well I found SO because I was reading up on Jeff and Joels posts, when I had to help with our software's GUI

Grace Note

Fastforward two months, I post my first answer and get 25 reputation, and now I'm stuck

Ivo Flipse

I started working, just when the site was getting launched

Popular Demand

Oh thank goodness, an SE site that actually isn't tilting towards allowing all manner of lists and polls and whatnot.

Ivo Flipse

so it was funny to see it grow

Grace Note

17:18

Ahha

Ivo Flipse

you're only here since two months @GraceNote?

Grace Note

No, it took 2 months of background watching before I posted by first answer

Ivo Flipse

actually @PopularDemand webapps is taking an effort against them

and after the first month, don't see them a lot anymore of gadgets

Grace Note

2 months before I joined Meta, and I've only recently gotten my Fanatic on MSO

Popular Demand

Man, that was a mistaken commit.

Ivo Flipse

17:19

ah ok :)

Popular Demand

I had no idea how seriously some people used web apps.

Grace Note

121 days on MSO, @Ivo. The 2 months on SO prior were pretty weak, as I told Pop a long time ago.

Ivo Flipse

351 days on Super User, 326 on MSO

but I mostly read on MSO or comment, rather than answer

anyway I'm very glad with the new SE sites

just waiting for the next flow of new users

Grace Note

Same. Gaming has had its ups and downs but it's turning out a lot better than I would've predicted for only about 40 days

Ivo Flipse

it amazes me how many questions people can (and will!) ask about starcraft 2

now it's just waiting for new game launches

I'm actually kind of sad about web apps progress

Grace Note

17:24

How is that place doing?

Ivo Flipse

and I personally have no real questions to ask myself, which is even worse

in contrast to Gaming, I have a feeling people are constantly asking feature-requests or for non-existent programs

so often you can go look for the answer if you don't know it

Grace Note

Ah

Ivo Flipse

but you simply won't find it

Grace Note

That's problematic, aye

I wish I could contribute more to Gaming. I know a lot, but everyone I know who could ask questions about the more obscure games I'm great at... I've already answered their inquiries!

Ivo Flipse

that's what I like most about gaming, if others play it, they will often know the answer

Popular Demand

17:26

I feel like Gaming isn't helpful for people who aren't playing the latest and/or most popular games.

Ivo Flipse

for that @PopularDemand you simply need a bigger audience

now it's like a point cloud

Popular Demand

If there was a robust PS2 section, I would get my girlfriend to sign up. But neither of us has the time or money to play a lot of more recent stuff.

Ivo Flipse

and the only dots that are connected, are the new ones

the rest are really spread out

Popular Demand

Indeed.

Grace Note

Start feeding in PS2 questions and we'll get answers

Ivo Flipse

17:27

but trust me, wait for the upcoming holiday season

and we'll draw loads of new users

Grace Note

I'm also very heavy on the PS2, though maybe not intersecting with you and your girlfriend. But that's one benefit of this place

Ivo Flipse

if we keep up the good work

Grace Note

We're going to get a lot more questions about the newer and more popular games, but many of the answerers who play those will have already gone through the other games you are currently playing

Ivo Flipse

another problem @PopularDemand for instance if you start asking questions about God of War 2 on the PS2, I would have to replay the part to tell you the answer

because I can't recall EVERYTHING from memory

Popular Demand

Right.

Popular Demand

17:29

I was anticipating being a better answerer than asker.

Grace Note

My first real answers are for Ogre Battle (SNES) and Final Fantasy VII (PS1). I actually did go for memory on those

Popular Demand

Also I have a hard time thinking of a question for which it'd be better to ask on Gaming than to search GameFAQs or similar site.

Ivo Flipse

yeah, but your answers are superhuman ;-)

Grace Note

My memory/research ration is 26/3 or so right now.

Ivo Flipse

and @PopularDemand most of the regulars are better at answering

Grace Note

17:30

If I bothered to do more research, I'd have a lot more reputation

Popular Demand

Do you really need more rep anywhere?

Grace Note

In SO, 2k would be nice so that I could leave EDIT SUMMARIES when I retag

Ivo Flipse

on Super User I ALWAYS research my answer, because why would people trust my 'opinion' unless I can back it up

well I would love to have moderator abilities on every site @GraceNote, but Robert wants all the communities to grow for themselves

Grace Note

As for Gaming, @Popular, I cannot tell you how awkward it was to be the lowest reputation pro tem mod when they were first appointed. And I'm on the second eldest site.

Ivo Flipse

while I agree with that, I don't see how my actions would be detrimental, especially when I'm rouge editing posts

rep is like age @GraceNote, just a number ;-)

and not like IQ

Grace Note

17:33

I understand, @Ivo, and I don't particularly care for the abilities nor the "value" because I know my knowledge is good

I wrote an excellent weapons analysis for Suguri, as an example, so even if no one ever asks about the game I'll still be content.

But my reputation at appointment looks like a lack of activity moreso than anything. I worry more about impressions.

Ivo Flipse

anyone that disagrees should try and have a discussion with you on Meta

they'll change their mind before they get to post their own reply ;)

Grace Note

Hah

FallenAngelEyes

2 hours singing in Rock Band, should stop before I can't talk tomorrow >_>

Grace Note

Still, this past week has been good. Thanks to Larry and some others, I have doubled my reputation in 3 days what I accumulated in over 3 weeks.

Ivo Flipse

btw have you checked your amount of accepted answers

Grace Note ♦, Filgaia

3.1k 10 19

Grace Note

17:38

Most of those came from the aforementioned 3 days

FallenAngelEyes

Hm, no one else has commented yet re: genre tagging

Popular Demand

Do the tags pop up for any site's profile?

Popular Demand

Also, "Filgaia"?

Grace Note

Everything in my profile references a different game or series

Popular Demand

Oh, it's your location.

Popular Demand

17:39

Never mind.

Popular Demand

I thought maybe alternate OpenID or something.

Grace Note

User name, avatar, location, About Me (though I certainly would enjoy being known as a beautiful super assassin idol~)

Popular Demand

Couldn't figure out what the system would put after a name.

Ivo Flipse

It sounds like Tilapia, but different :P

Grace Note

Hah, I haven't had tilapia in quite a while

Filgaia's the world that the Wild ARMs series takes place in.

Popular Demand

17:41

Alright, as pleasant as this has been, I have a lot to get done today, and you have reminded me that that starts with brunch.

Grace Note

Later, @Pop

Popular Demand

I will try to remember some things that have given me difficulty in past games and ask more questions.

Ivo Flipse

have a nice brunch @PopularDemand

FallenAngelEyes

eat well!

Ivo Flipse

naah, just play more games, they always give you questions

Popular Demand

17:41

Wow, this is a pleasant room.

FallenAngelEyes

I blew my entire afternoon playing rock band

ah, lazy Sundays <3

Ivo Flipse

wow, I actually think we also have the most women in this community

Popular Demand

Grad school application Sundays, you mean.

Ivo Flipse

and perhaps cooking

Grace Note

Indeed. It's a lot better to ask things that you need to know. I'm more than willing to give some suggestions if you need something new <3

Popular Demand

17:42

I'm only up so late because I didn't go to sleep 'til late last night.

Ivo Flipse

you want to get into grad school?

Popular Demand

Oh, here's one: Why is Fallout 3 so freakin' buggy?

Popular Demand

Yep.

Ivo Flipse

which version @FallenAngelEyes?

Grace Note

Can't help you there... never touched Fallout 3...

FallenAngelEyes

17:43

Rock Band 2, then some Beatles, then more RB2

Ivo Flipse

I'm gonna look for RB1, 2 and beatles in a second hand store

FallenAngelEyes

which version, @Popular?

Ivo Flipse

so when I get RB3, I have some legacy

FallenAngelEyes

RB1 and 2 are hard to find over here :(

Ivo: Don't buy 1

Popular Demand

Social experiment no doubt. "Let's see what happens to players when we make an awesome game, but set enableBugs to true!"

FallenAngelEyes

17:44

You can just rent in, then import it

import the songs into 2 I mean

you have to pay for the import license (400 MSP I think?)

Popular Demand

@FallenAngelEyes 360

FallenAngelEyes

but other than that, all you need is just the physical disc

Ah, can't help you there, I play the PC version

Ivo Flipse

there you have it @PopularDemand I'll ask how I can get my RB1 songs into 2

and then you can answer it with 360 MSP ;)

Popular Demand

My girlfriend may actually know that.

Popular Demand

I will ask her.

Popular Demand

17:45

What does MSP stand for?

FallenAngelEyes

I just answered that :P

Grace Note

Microsoft Points, I expect

Popular Demand

Ah. I don't do downloadable content.

Popular Demand

I'm not against it, I just haven't yet.

FallenAngelEyes

but yeah, don't waste the money on buying it if you don't need to, though there are a few songs that can't be imported due to licensing restrictions

only like, 3 though

Ivo Flipse

17:48

5

Q: How can I get Rock Band 1 songs into Rock Band 2?

As I'm planning to buy Rock Band 3, but I wanted to buy Rock Band 1 & 2 first. But off course I don't feel like swapping disks all the time and I heard you can actually import games from Rock Band 1 into Rock Band 2, but how do I do this? Note: I own both a PS3 and a Xbox360, so feel free t...

rock-band rock-band-2

have fun with it

to slow you stupid feed! :P

damn enter sandman and paranoid rock!

ah well perhaps I can get them really cheap in the US (if they are PAL compatible)

FallenAngelEyes

The compatibility wouldn't be an issue there, it's the region locking. RB is region locked :/

Ivo Flipse

meeh fuckers

FallenAngelEyes

If you get it RB2 and can't find RB1 to rent, if you promise to send it back, I'll mail you my copy of RB1 to rip :P

Ivo Flipse

ill just bring my xbox along when I visit a friend in the Hague ;-)

FallenAngelEyes

18:04

hehe okies

2

Q: What field of view should I choose in a first person shooter?

What field of view should I choose in a first person shooter? What effect does this have on aiming?

first-person-shooter field-of-view

Isn't that... ridiculously subjective? O_o

highly highly depends on the game, your playstyle, etc.

Ivo Flipse

> I actually think the answer @en1gmatic325 has given is a very objective answer: it's due to Fitt's law that it will become harder to aim, since the targets become smaller (more objects on the same amount of pixels), so it doesn't have to be subjective. What the best one is though will depend on the game

with some adjustment it's fixable

but there's actual science behind why too large would be bad, however what optimal is will depend on the game and the resolution

FallenAngelEyes

nods

this chat needs to support /me

Ivo Flipse

hehe, go propose it in feedback

FallenAngelEyes

The rest of SO intimidates me :P I r noob

I mean, I ended up asking a question on meta.gaming cuz I didn't know how to favorite questions at first :P

0

Q: Is there any way to save/favorite questions?

For example, I saw this question, and I have the same question. I would like some way, within the system/site, to monitor this question if it receives an answer. I don't want to post a comment on it because I don't have anything additional/useful to add to it, but it seems that would be the only ...

feature-request questions favorites answers

<-noob :(

Ivo Flipse

luckily there are people like ChrisF around who simply answers the question without making you feel stupid

FallenAngelEyes

18:19

thank god

also

Beatles RB is worth it to get if only to see the trippy weird visuals

the opening cinematic thingie is so fucked up

and some of the background stuff while you play is practically distracting sometimes

Ivo Flipse

my dad's a Beatle fan, I always wanted to play it with him :P

FallenAngelEyes

god bless the 60's

Ivo Flipse

Guitar Hero gives me a headache at times

makes me feel theres black holes drawing the whole world in

FallenAngelEyes

haha

I like the RB tracks better than the post-Harmonix GH ones

They actually make you feel like you're playing the song

GH's difficulty scale is wonky as hell

Ivo Flipse

I simply think Rock Band has better songs, but I was locked in by GH

so switching this season

FallenAngelEyes

18:22

like GH's drums are bleh. Easy was way too easy even for someone starting out, but then Medium ramped it up way too much. Easy on drums for RB at least still feels like you're actually drumming.

Ivo Flipse

seems a lot cooler than this one:

medium drums on GH was doable, but boring

and the song selection was terrible

I actually think GH1 is still the best of the series, song-wise

FallenAngelEyes

I bought GH5 for the guitar

I just wish they weren't covers

I bought GH1 and 2 Christmas 2006 before I flew over here

the 2 large boxes were our carryon items

Display your nerdery while walking through the airport proudly!

They are on PS2 though :(

So I had to rebuy guitars for Xbox

Alan

Zerg Rush

you all

Ivo Flipse

yeah I have the PS2 versions too

Alan

will fear it

Ivo Flipse

18:25

you just walked into my photon cannons @Alan

Alan

lulz

if you think you had time to build cannons

FallenAngelEyes

re: the realistic guitars, either way you're still playing a plastic instrument, so looking cool isn't exactly my highest priority :P

Ivo Flipse

I have two PS2 guitars and GH4 with the whole band

it's not looking cool

but if there are 'easy' numbers

you can actually learn to play a little bit

Alan

if I had friends, GH and RB would be fun

FallenAngelEyes

2 PS2 guitars and full RB1 set for me

well, RB1 guitar and a GH5 guitar

Ivo Flipse

18:26

and if I play the plastic thing as much as GH1 and 2, I would actually become a decent guitar player :P

Alan

this is my first time in so chat. this is wicked cool.

any of you play HoN?

FallenAngelEyes

I want to find a copy of GH: World Tour pretty much only for the Tool songs >_>

Ivo Flipse

hehe, well I hope you feel welcome @Alan

FallenAngelEyes

I beta'd it, but haven't played it since

Ivo Flipse

you can borrow mine

Alan

18:27

were you a DoTA player?

Ivo Flipse

but you'd have to buy the pack yourself

FallenAngelEyes

I really wish there were Tool/APC songs on Rock Band :(

Ivo Flipse

or are those the unlockable songs?

Alan

@FallenAngelEyes +1

Ivo Flipse

no @Alan, I moved on :P

FallenAngelEyes

18:28

I never played DotA, so HoN wasn't as much a big deal to me as it was to fans

There are 3 Tool songs in the base GH:WT

Ivo Flipse

I wish they made a sequel to Warcraft 3

but I guess they have their hands full with WoW, SC and Diablo...

Alan

In good time

i mean

SC was 1997

FallenAngelEyes

god knows when Diablo III will be out :P

Ivo Flipse

like I said, you can borrow mine

Alan

and when did diable 2 come out

Ivo Flipse

18:29

Starcraft 2 @Alan :P

Alan

like infinity years ago

i'm just saying

Ivo Flipse

2000 @Alan

I actually recently bought a pack with SC1 and Diablo 2

but Diablo just feels outdated

FallenAngelEyes

I still haven't finished Brood Wars <_<

do you have Lord of Destruction?

cuz it's definitely >>> base Diablo II

Ivo Flipse

and SC1 was just made hard by the controls and outdated resolution

I have the expansion I think yes

FallenAngelEyes

I'm actually in the middle of playing through Diablo II with some friends :)

Ivo Flipse

18:31

but never continued playing

FallenAngelEyes

My biggest complaint about Diablo II is having free for all loot

Ivo Flipse

I'll probably just go play Starcraft 2

FallenAngelEyes

I much prefer assigned loot drops

which Diablo III thankfully has

Ivo Flipse

I'll probably just go play Starcraft 2

they learn with each new game @FallenAngelEyes

getting it as a reward of finishing my Python tutorial book

anyway, I MUST watch tv now

so be back later

behave you guys!

FallenAngelEyes

later @Ivo!

going off as well for dinner and some more Rock Band, later all

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