@YiJiang Well, we don't necessarily need to do this all in a single day or anything. The influx we get with these tags is not going to overtake our deletion, even if we take a week to do it.
sigh If we're only working type 3 questions, then let's make a list properly first
Which tags are unambiguously type 3, meaning they mean different things in different games?
Also note that Oak said this himself:
> It’s hard to draw the line between items under category (3) and those under (6). paladin is obviously (3). achievements is pretty strongly (6). But what about money or crafting? To which do they belong? I’m sure some of the readers already disagreed with me listing some of the tags above under (3) or (6) - this shows there is some disagreement here, as opposed to the other categories.
I'd say that crime should stay. Mob is ambiguous - they mean similar, but not the same things in different games
I reviewed about the top 300 tags on the site under the criteria I submitted for review here:
On the coming murder of meta-tagging
And the following tags were marked for further review - I do not endorse burninating all of these outright, nor do I feel we should take any action without further ...
The following tags were selected based on the criteria that they are too specific to provide a meaningful distinction amongst questions and should be killed or merged. I've done my best to find merge targets whenever I can.
wireless-controllers wiimote --> controllers
Wiimotes are wireless c...
I just started playing I Am Alive. AFAICS, the game has a different save system. It rewards you Retry s at certain points to take you to the latest checkpoint, but I am somewhat confused.
When I die at some point, and I use a "retry", do I lose my supplements and ammo?
When I die at some point...
@FAE hey, you guys are doing this all on your own. Pretty much the only input mods have given to this is my answer, which got -3/0 and no comment from the community
I hate to go "you vs us" here but that turned me off from looking more into this initiative
@badp I'm currently mostly observing. I definitely don't really like the idea of Oak's #6 stuff being removed yet until search is better, and I still agree with @Grace's assertion that achievements is useful.
I disagree on all fronts.
I disagree that people don't read tags. Tags and title is actually all most people do read, and often times the opened or closed fate of a question relies more on these factors than it does on the question body itself.
After all, tags and question titles are exactly wh...
(score's -1, not -3, because I shared it with other mods a few minutes ago.)
Suppose I had a question about an exploit in Diablo 3 that allows a character to go from level 1 to 60 in 10 hours, is that considered on topic or too localized (it'll become obsolete once it gets patched at some point)?
Disagree with assertion one. The Minicraft thing is pretty strong proof - yes, visually the two tag are hard to distinguish, but people seriously don't look at tags
@badp My gripe with the "hey, I'm using a PS3 and can't use a console" comment is that the console command will be useful to PC users who get the same problem (assuming the same problem can occur on PCs, of course)
@murgatroid99 "Questions about a specific version or port of that game should not be tagged based on the platform, but should instead make a note of the version in question in the body of the question when relevant."
@badp "Platform Tags should henceforth only be used for questions specifically about a given platform or console, or a game's interaction with that platform or console"
The weird situation you get into is when someone says "How do I do this on the xbox" and then someone else wants to know the same thing for the PC. Is that two separate questions, one with PC tag and one with xbox tag?
@badp if the port is so different from the original that you'll find two different questions with the same title that can be interpreted differently based on the tag, you'd probably want to call them different games
Basically, if the problem is not platform dependent, but the answers are, then it doesn't need a platform tag. The question is the same across platforms, and while an answer for a different platform may not help the asker, the asker isn't the only person we're trying to help.
"How can I enter the secret <random guy's name> room?" zelda-link-to-the-past "By the way I'm playing the GBA port. Not that it can possibly matter right?"
You either want the achievement tag on all questions about achievements or not have the tag at all. A situation where only some achievement questions have the tag makes it pretty useless
Simply put, is there enough gold natively in the game to allow your characters to train to the maximum level (IIRC, 200)? Even counting bank interest accrual, I was never able to do it.
I have maxed out the levels before, but it always involved hex-editing the gold in my party. (I never hex-edit...
The Chris Houlihan room is legendary, whether you're on GBA or SNES, the question you'll be asking is the same. It is much more harmful to divide that than it is to not have tags there.
Not having the achievements tag on a question that is related to achievements, when we use the tag for that purpose, is as harmful as not having the game tag on a question about a specific game.
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Seeing a ton of questions in Yi Jiang's text-based search that don't have the tag, that's honestly completely agonizing.
I'm saying that we could have the tag and make it useful, or not have the tag. What are you trying to say with "the always or never approach is not useful"?
@GraceNote so maybe this should be our next project after the tag cleanup: find tags that are only on some of their relevant questions and try to add them to as many others as possible
@YiJiang it's as if you did, because no matter how much editing we can humanly do, "achievement -[achievement]" is a search query that will always give results
because tagging is by its very nature fuzzy and imperfect
@badp Because you are the one who made the parallel by addressing it as if "all or nothing" means we're in a middle ground because we're bad at tagging
@badp There are false positives with the text match, just like there are achievement questions without the tag. Currently, the text search is more useful, but it doesn't have to be that way.
part of the community knows about the 'achievement' tags and chooses to use it, part of the community knows about the 'achievement' tag and chooses not to use it, part of the community knows about the 'achievement' tags and chooses to remove it, part of the community doesn't know about it and doesn't use it
you can replace 'achievement' with any non-game-name tag ever and the above will hold true pretty much necessarily
First, I believe there are some people who have contention with the current way #2 (platform tags) are implemented, but I'll leave it to them to post about that. Secondly, is "achievements" supposed to be listed twice there? Thirdly, and my main point, I am very very loath to burninate the tags in #6 unless search is fixed to suck less. It currently doesn't even recognize plurals as synonyms. See: "achievement" and "achievements" give you different results. — FAEMay 10 at 12:53
I've noticed my Paralysis passive for Wizard in Diablo 3 only does 8% chance to stun for 2s. But the numbers are in green. Is there any way i can increase the chance to like, say, 10%? Or Stun duration?
Yi Jiang brought up that we should probably apply achievements to everything about achievements, which logically makes sense with how tags work at all. You tried to turn this to "It's always or never, so clearly it should be never", when all we're trying to do is amplify the usefulness of the tag so that we do get to keep it.
This is the current forum of discussion, this is where you've been discussing it. You're in a room of allies. This is why I've been trying to stop you from going down that route, because it's unproductive for you.
but anyways, like I was saying, the voting on Oak's meta made it seem like everyone agreed with his proposal, so I just took his proposal and implemented into the clean-up.
@Wipqozn Yes, but upvoting his question mostly means that people agree that it's a mess, which it clearly is. And a single -1 vote on each of those answers is not something I would consider definitive.
@GraceNote At any rate my whole point is that it's not very meaningful to say a tag should be nuked because it doesn't meet standards that pretty much no non-primary tag can ever meet.
I'm not sure how that suddenly becomes "me vs everybody else" but fine
@badp Right, and I'm saying that in this subnode of the discussion (as in, right in here, in this chatroom at this moment, where you brought this up), none of us are using that argument, so painting us as using that argument and arguing against us isn't productive if your intent is to shut down that argument.
@badp This is why I'd been trying to stop you from the get-go. It was a misunderstanding and letting it continue only would've made you more frustrated
@badp I have a feeling you got something inverted there. To quote Wikipedia "Male chauvinism is a term used to describe the belief that men are superior to women." Unless that's what you intended
@murgatroid99 It wouldn't be the first time for me that trying to make a joke "against" myself and categories I am in got read by other people as being slanted towards said category
VTC as "Not a real question": Your question is too broad and vague. I'm uncertain what you mean by "worth it", and you seem to be asking it about every server listed on the site you linked. — Wipqozn7 secs ago
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NOTE: This is on the websit...
Street Fighter: The Movie, released in Japan as , is a head-to-head fighting game released for the PlayStation and Sega Saturn. The game is based on the 1994 live-action Street Fighter movie and uses digitized images of the films cast posing as the characters in the game. While it shares its title with the arcade game Street Fighter: The Movie, the home version is not a port but a similar game developed on the same premise. The home version was developed and published by Capcom in Japan and released in North America and Europe by Acclaim.
Gameplay
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The home version of Street Fig...
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What do the symbols in Farming Simulator 2011 mean? I do not know what plant they represent.
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Didn't Battleship flop? If it did better I'm sure Hasbro or whomever would've been all over a low-quality re-release of Battleship complete with crappy movie decals
The Ship, some sort of, well I'm not quite sure what it is
> The Ship is a multiplayer game of subterfuge and assassination, played on a series of 1920s cruise ships. Hunt down and murder your quarry while looking out for the assassin hunting you. Take care of your needs by eating and sleeping, improvise weapons from whatever you can find on board, avoid the cameras and security guards and, whatever you do, don’t lash out with a croquet mallet in front of another passenger!
wielding a weapon while in sight of guards and cameras is instant arrest
and doing so in presence of other characters is an arrest, just not an instant one
also you have sleep meters and thirst meters and pee meters and drink meters and just so many meters the game can't fit them all on the left of your screen
I'm not sure I understand why those meters are useful in the game but oh well
what is that, first person assassin or first person the sims?
Yeah, with the latest weekly snapshot you can fly around map in your hand and after a while everything goes grey as your computer tries to catch up with you