The Bridge

Ivo Flipse

07:00

well netflix and stuff?

later @tzenes

see you in the afternoon :P

tzenes

night

Arda Xi

I don't think Netflix will even work here

even if you managed to smuggle their app :)

FallenAngelEyes

Netflix doesn't work here

I have it on my Xbox

cuz my Live account is based in the US

but it won't let me use it because of region restrictions

Ivo Flipse

I thought so

Arda Xi

that's what I thought too

Ivo Flipse

07:01

it will block my ip

unless I use a proxy

FallenAngelEyes

Same at last.fm too

Ivo Flipse

did that with Hulu for some time

FallenAngelEyes

yeah

Ivo Flipse

oh man I'm so going to enjoy my visit in the States

FallenAngelEyes

annoying that we can get all the free streaming stuff :/

Ivo Flipse

07:02

pandora all day long

nothing block on youtube

FallenAngelEyes

I miss Pandora :(

Arda Xi

me too :(

Ivo Flipse

netflix, hulu!

Arda Xi

although, I like Spotify

FallenAngelEyes

can't be arsed to set up a proxy all the time

How come you're going to the states, Ivo?

Ivo Flipse

07:02

vacation :D

almost 1 month :D

Arda Xi

I have a Spotify Premium account, makes up for it, although it's harder to discover new music

FallenAngelEyes

Nice, where to?

Ivo Flipse

I really discovered a lot of new music through pandora, it rocks

FallenAngelEyes

a month, nice

though for the price of a round trip ticket, it's definitely better to go for a month rather than like, a week

Have you ever been before?

Ivo Flipse

they don't want the EU to have it, because they would have to sign 30 different contracts, loose ad income from the channels buying their stuff now and have to regain their customers

nope

FallenAngelEyes

07:04

Enjoy the free refills while you can

Ivo Flipse

850€ for the tickets and a car for 24 days (per person, going with my GF)

FallenAngelEyes

that's one of the biggest things I miss from the US

Are you road tripping or just staying in one place?

Ivo Flipse

ill show you in a bit :P

Arda Xi

Pandora should team up with Spotify, Spotify could come to the US and Pandora could come to Europe

FallenAngelEyes

Don't know Spotify

Arda Xi

07:07

spotify.com/nl/new-user

Ivo Flipse

I'm going something like this @FallenAngelEyes

maps.google.com/…

FallenAngelEyes

Haha, I was like "How the hell is he gonna show me?"

Looks fun :)

Ivo Flipse

was planning on going through yellowstone too

FallenAngelEyes

Can't give any advice as I've never been out west

Ivo Flipse

but it seemed like way too long a drive

FallenAngelEyes

07:09

oh nice

how long?

Ivo Flipse

a 1000 miles or so

FallenAngelEyes

My sense of long driving distance is very skewed from living in the US. I'm like "Oh, 3 hours, that's an easy day trip" whereas if you drive 3 hours in the NL, unless you're going from Limburg to Groningen, you end up out of the country. >_>

Ivo Flipse

by my latest adjustments :P

FallenAngelEyes

hehe

Ivo Flipse

ah well I worked in Belgium the last two years

and drove back and forth every week

I think I've driven about 60k last year

FallenAngelEyes

07:13

I love driving. I miss it. :(

Ivo Flipse

oh look what someone from tweakers.net just tweeted: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747598

FallenAngelEyes

I don't have a Dutch driver's license yet.

Arda Xi

well, having lived in the netherlands all my life I still find it weird that you can drive for 3 hours in some countries and not see any civilization

FallenAngelEyes

Hehe, yep

I miss seeing forests where the trees aren't planted in a row >_>

Ivo Flipse

I don't know what I'll be missing :P

but I fear it's not you guys ;)

Arda Xi

07:15

there's that too, I look at google maps in the US and all the roads perfectly line up with the compass directions

which just seems unnatural to me

Ivo Flipse

look at manhattan

FallenAngelEyes

that's only in grid cities

Manhattan, Chicago, etc.

Ivo Flipse

it's like one big Vinex-block, only higher

FallenAngelEyes

but the trees comment was re: NL

Arda Xi

I don't live in a Vinex area myself, we still have random foliage

FallenAngelEyes

07:17

That was the first thing I noticed when I first came here in 2003. We were driving from Schiphol and I was like omg, all the trees are in rows!

Ivo Flipse

haha, I live in a pretty part of Holland: Groesbeek! :P

Arda Xi

which is much, much nicer than those designer trees we have now

Ivo Flipse

brb waking up my GF ;)

FallenAngelEyes

I live in Delft, so I'm mostly familiar with the Randstad

Arda Xi

in Nieuw-Vennep we have two parts, the old part and the new part, the latter of which is a Vinexwijk

FallenAngelEyes

07:18

What is Vinex?

Arda Xi

Vinex

Vinex is de afkorting voor Vierde Nota Ruimtelijke Ordening Extra, een Nota Ruimtelijke Ordening van het Nederlandse ministerie van VROM uit 1991. Deze notitie, een vervolg op de Vierde nota ruimtelijke ordening uit 1988, bevat uitgangspunten voor de bouw van nieuwe woningbouwlocaties voor de periode vanaf 1 januari 1995. Voor een aantal steden werd daarbij de richting aangegeven waar de nieuwe uitbreiding zou kunnen plaatsvinden; formeel gesproken was het echter aan provincies en samenwerkende gemeenten om de locaties te bepalen. Deze locaties aan de rand van grote steden voor massale nie...

FallenAngelEyes

Ooooh

I'd never heard that term before

I just called it "Dutch surburbia"

Arda Xi

all houses like this:

Ivo Flipse

well in a sense it is

Arda Xi

although they're all different, most of them are just as ugly

FallenAngelEyes

07:21

Yeah

Arda Xi

and hardly any foliage other than 'designer trees'

Ivo Flipse

well having it like Belgium isn't optimal either

FallenAngelEyes

I went to a friend's house last week, she lives in... Assendelft?

Her area was also like that

and god, yeah, butt ugly houses

Arda Xi

I just want it the way it was in the block I grew up in, but every new block that's built is Vinex

FallenAngelEyes

I've been to Belgium once, I liked driving through it

except

your intersections

The intersections in Belgium are so fucked up

Arda Xi

07:23

this is my old street:

maps.google.com/…

it's much nicer to live in

FallenAngelEyes

man google streetview is crazy

wait, been to Belgium twice

Arda Xi

I've never really been in Flanders, only through it

FallenAngelEyes

Once for a concert festival thing where I saw Tiesto and Within Temptation, and once to Leuven to stay with a friend

Ivo Flipse

its a mess

FallenAngelEyes

What was that concert called

Suikerrock I think

Ivo Flipse

07:26

pukkelpop :P

FallenAngelEyes

lol

Arda Xi

(off- erm, actually, on-topic) DF: "The best choice of restraint is therefore a good strong metal chain. A high-quality chain will also let the prisoner admire it, giving him a boost to his happiness."

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, it was Suikerrock.

...lol

Arda Xi

an imprisoned dwarf will admire the chains he's locked up in?

sure, that's win-win

Ivo Flipse

well you guys I'm going off chat, since I need to read 500 pages of Python tutorial within a week

FallenAngelEyes

07:28

I really should redownload that

Ivo Flipse

and I'm not really progressing here :P

FallenAngelEyes

haha, good luck

Yeah this chat is terrible for getting stuff done

Arda Xi

it's so nice not to have any responsibilities for a couple weeks :D

the more I think about it, the more I'm glad to be in school, to have like 10 weeks off a year

FallenAngelEyes

after you're out, you just have a job, and you never really have vacation then :P

Arda Xi

exactly

unless you become a teacher I suppose

FallenAngelEyes

07:32

well, I guess you do more so here in the NL, cuz people get 5 weeks vacation

Arda Xi

depends on the cao though

FallenAngelEyes

cao?

Arda Xi

collective labour agreement

it's basically the terms of your employment, but for everyone with that particular job

FallenAngelEyes

ah gotcha

Arda Xi

08:24

:( the only mason I have isn't doing his job

according to my bookkeeper there's 200 something alcohol, so that can't be it

Arda Xi

10:25

if there was ever a reason to delete a question

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/5064/sc-ii-cracking-game

ping @FallenAngelEyes @McKay

alexanderpas

11:53

WTH is this for stupidity? Riven: The Sequel to MYST is not compatible with Windows XP - System Requirements: Windows Vista / Windows 7 (unofficially supported) - Release Date: 29 Oct 1997 - store.steampowered.com/app/63610 - WTH did they do to that game?

Arda Xi

That makes no sense

It was released before Windows XP was

C. Ross

Maybe a steam thing?

Arda Xi

so they probably made it compatible somehow

C. Ross

so, I finally got access to the mod tools ...

Arda Xi

they probably made a Vista version which makes it incompatible with XP

C. Ross

11:54

I'm a little disappointed to be honest.

alexanderpas

but why not windows XP? it's using Direct X 9!

Arda Xi

the DirectX version used is far from the only factor deciding compatibility

I wouldn't know in this case though, ask them

alexanderpas

BTW: what is up with the weird names of all the MW2 players in the Steam Community.

Ivo Flipse

what weird names?

Arda Xi

colour codes I presume?

Ivo Flipse

12:05

check the way they look on the iphone/ipad, they render as chinese on Android

but they are emoticons on the ipad

alexanderpas

color codes or emoticons make sense.

Ivo Flipse

it's gay and childish nonetheless, but I guess you could call it sense

Arda Xi

MW2's engine's colourcodes are of the format \^[1-9]

alexanderpas

color codes it is then.

for example: ^2[^0ThRKn^1*^2]^5 DNB ADDICT

Arda Xi

yeah, those are colour codes

alexanderpas

12:09

would be: [ThRKn*] DNB ADDICT with the color codes removed.

(just a random member of our Gaming Stack Exchange Steam Community Group)

C. Ross

You went and made a group?

I thought we were waiting till we had a real name

alexanderpas

we can always move over ;)

C. Ross

is there a meta topic with the group?

alexanderpas

9

Q: Steam Community Group

Gaming Stack Exchange Steam Community Group Enables us to communicate even while playing, and play games together. (Jeff will be made Owner if he joins, and ♦ on the site should be Officers)

Ivo Flipse

woehoe: steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964911240

alexanderpas

12:17

too bad you're only MSO and SU mod ;)

Ivo Flipse

why?

alexanderpas

if you were gaming mod, you would be granted mod status on the steam group too.

Ivo Flipse

ah, well in that case: yes, it's horrible I'm not a mod here

alexanderpas

BTW: I love unicode, it allowed me to replace the no information given with nothing. (the information given is a non-breakable space) :D

steamcommunity.com/id/alexanderpas

Arda Xi

I usually use the BOM for that

Ivo Flipse

12:29

going to flash FroydVillain now @ArdaXi

alexanderpas

lol, that's also a possibility.

just don't add another B at the end.

Arda Xi

:73020 Okay, good luck :)

unbelievable, carved out about 1500 tiles in DF and still no ore

Ivo Flipse

using Rom Manager (from the Villain roms guys I think), but not sure if it will wipe everything

Arda Xi

it isn't

you should use amon ra's recovery image

let me look up the wiki

Ivo Flipse

well I'm going to the bootloader and do it 'the hard' way

I have it open

alexanderpas

12:32

:73027 is there ore in the map in the first place

Arda Xi

the recovery is 'the hard' way

:73034 I should assume so, it's a save game offered as a tutorial

:73032 villainrom.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_Custom_ROMs

it doesn't expand other mediawikis?

Ivo Flipse

I know @ArdaXi I just wanted to make sure I don't mess it up and the app actually worked fine the last time, but want to be 100% sure

Arda Xi

you'll be 100% sure with the method everyone uses for VR :)

Ivo Flipse

doing a Nandroid now, then wipe, then install

alexanderpas

:73036 tried diggin deeper?

Arda Xi

12:35

I'm down two z-levels now

but I gotta wait for my miners to finish a renovation project on the main level before trying deeper :)

alexanderpas

renovation proect... I know those :D

Arda Xi

I'm gonna want to move everything down eventually and make the first level filled with traps and such :D

just look at this mess

alexanderpas

nice uhm... mess... (rocks for food?) ;)

Arda Xi

is it normal for the game to freeze on 'saving' when it turns winter?

Ivo Flipse

after seeing all those DF questions, I'm 100% sure I'm sticking to the basic Android/iPhone games :P

Arda Xi

12:38

heh, it has a steep learning curve

but, like most things with a steep learning curve, learning it is very rewarding

Ivo Flipse

and it looks like you have to WORK

like mining in Runescape way back

Arda Xi

like Vim for example :)

all you really have to do is tell your dwarves where to mine

they do the work

alexanderpas

DF is FUN

Ivo Flipse

you don't have to point and click continuously?

Arda Xi

but yeah, a game with "Losing is Fun" as its main mantra is not for everyone

not continuously

it's mostly keyboard based anyway

C. Ross

12:40

You can go as fast or as slow as you want

since you can pause anytime

Gnoupi

hmm, steam group for the site, interesting

Arda Xi

in my experience it's more often paused then not

alexanderpas

:73071 no, just assign the orders, and see how the dorfs do it wrong.

Arda Xi

it's fun to look at my fortress in stonesense too

takes the imagination part out a little

Gnoupi

your steam game list is desperately empty, @Ivo :-]

Ivo Flipse

12:42

I only used steam for Counter Strike and Half Life 2 way back when Steam launched

only bought Episode 1, haven't even gotten around 2 since I was addicted to WoW

Gnoupi

shivers

alexanderpas

you missed out on portal?

Ivo Flipse

and I had a modded Xbox through college

C. Ross

you broke that right Ivo?

Arda Xi

wait what, no portal

it was free

Ivo Flipse

12:44

on which I played a ton of games in between those two things

I played portal on the Xbox

Arda Xi

oh, okay then

Ivo Flipse

and I ripped through Guitar Hero 1-4

Gnoupi

portal on the xbox? I don't know if we should be proud or concerned

Ivo Flipse

until the songs became crap

uh Xbox 360

which was also modded :$

but burning dual layers is uhm painful

Gnoupi

same, it was about the fact of playing portal with a gamepad

Gnoupi

12:45

it's already complex enough at times with mouse :p

Ivo Flipse

not too bad, I never finished it

Arda Xi

so I now have a lot of crap in my trade depot, how do I get rid of the trader?

Ivo Flipse

something better came along, so until then it went fine

alexanderpas

never finished portal? now we're concerned.

Ivo Flipse

lol @ VillainRom @ArdaXi: We > HTC

Arda Xi

12:46

'tis true :)

Ivo Flipse

you don't have to, because I enjoyed other stuff ;-)

Arda Xi

HTC kept complaining the Hero wouldn't run 2.1

Gnoupi

I propose we kick out people who didn't finish it.

Ivo Flipse

and yes @CRoss I managed to break my WoW addiction fairly painless even

Arda Xi

Portal's a game you can finish in about 4 hours

Ivo Flipse

12:47

I started working abroad, two months no internet helps :P

well I might give it a go some night then, I like rushing through games anyway

I can't put myself to finishing Resistance 2 either

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi 6 hours, we're not rushing portal.

Gnoupi

8 hours - we're reading all inscriptions

Ivo Flipse

I bought it secondhand, turned out it was a Dutch version

Arda Xi

4 hours was not rushing, on the first try

Ivo Flipse

just sounds sooo gay

and I hate those futuristic weapons, just like Halo sucks

Gnoupi

12:48

he's on resistance, i think

Ivo Flipse

noho, a Dutch Resistance 2 :P

Arda Xi

oh

Ivo Flipse

oh dear, help me stay on-topic, @JuanManuel is here

Arda Xi

lost track of the conversation while arguing with a trader

Gnoupi

anyway, as soon as this goes out, we need new moderators for SU: rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/10/guild-wars-2-gosh

Downvoter

12:49

Hi

Arda Xi

:73154 You pinged him

Ivo Flipse

watching it now @Gnoupi

Downvoter

I felted pinged

Downvoter

4 hours for portal?

alexanderpas

I'm playing GW2 when it's there.

Downvoter

12:50

2 are enough

Ivo Flipse

I wish we could embed video's on Stack Exchange

Gnoupi

@Ivo - try to not be too annoyed by the over excited developers and designers

Gnoupi

if they manage to do what they actually say, it might be really good

Ivo Flipse

don't worry, I've had my share of developer interviews

nobody tops Molyneux's over-the-top talks anyway

Gnoupi

here it's more marketing than actual interview

Gnoupi

12:52

but still

alexanderpas

I've seen what they did with the original GW and the upgrades, so for now, i can see it happening.

Gnoupi

MMORPG in which they want to demolish all annoying parts from other MMOs, I hope they manage to

Ivo Flipse

I'm curious to see how players world interact, it sounds like phasing from WoW

if they could change an MMO into something that's constantly fun to play, rather than feeling like work, it would be awesome

alexanderpas

BTW: we noticed when it was WoW maintaince day on GW

Gnoupi

@alex - yes, it's in good hands for sure, i hope it will live up to their expectations though

Ivo Flipse

12:53

perhaps not the amount of replay value like WoW, but they might as well make Guild Wars 3 and sell me that a year later

Gnoupi

WoW has a replay value?

Ivo Flipse

no, it makes you wait for you loot :P

alexanderpas

:73185 and even then, it's still cheaper compared to WoW

Ivo Flipse

price isn't a concern for wow if you play it every evening

or even just play it three times a week for 4 hours

go calculate how much value that is for your money's worth

Gnoupi

true, if it's your "go to" game, it's reasonable

Ivo Flipse

12:55

I rushed through the Modern Warfare 2 campaign within 8 hours or so, not really fun after that

Gnoupi

I spend easily 5 WoW subscriptions a month

alexanderpas

$0.25/hour

Ivo Flipse

only the only part off course

Gnoupi

steamcommunity.com/id/gnoupi/games?tab=all

Noctrine

:O

Arda Xi

12:56

Pff, how do you get rid of a caravan in your trade depot?

Gnoupi

though I shop mostly the sales, but still

Ivo Flipse

I'm in doubt whether I want to try and play Broodwar or just buy Starcraft 2

just afraid that I can't get any work done :(

Gnoupi

hmm, work, good idea, getting back to this

Ivo Flipse

where do you live anyway @Gnoupi?

alexanderpas

yay for complete packs: steamcommunity.com/id/alexanderpas/games?tab=all

Noctrine

12:57

I need more money.

Gnoupi

@Ivo - written on my profile

Gnoupi

steamcalculator.com/id/gnoupi funny to see when you add all full prices

Ivo Flipse

Rubacava, Land of the Dead :P

Gnoupi

of course I bought most of this list 50% off, but still

Arda Xi

:73221 Heh, you beat me by about $100

Ivo Flipse

12:59

ah France, could have guessed

Gnoupi

@alex - I see you played lot of Anno, they removed the Tages, or they will keep it to the end?

Ivo Flipse

anywhere near Paris by any chance? :P

Gnoupi

@Ivo - nope

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