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I need better money making methods lol
there's no way cannonballs is 1m per hour
@Unionhawk I remember playing it free but like 90% of the content was paid.
@Yuuki Yeah pretty much
@Unionhawk at 68 mage you can start humidifying clay. And 68 mage is suuuuper quick
The 10% is still a solidly complete game at least
@Jutschge hmmmmmmmmmm
I mean yeah it's boring but that's why it's such a great money maker
14:02
ooo that's lunar
Or you could use the blast furnace
That's also true
That's close to 1m per hour with steel bars
And it's decent smithing xp
So, is OSRS basically RS classic?
@Fluttershy osrs is runescape 2
14:03
It's a fork of the game as it existed in 2007
with features added since then
@Jutschge Oh. :(
Runescape classic is the buggy mess that eventually lead to rs 2 (which was where Runescape was the most popular)
@Fluttershy taurus demon isn't really any different on sl1,especially since you can just spam the drop stab if you want to.
Spider lady is the first boss where I really expect to see a difference. Gargoyles went even smoother than my regular attempts haha. The hand axe is actually pretty fancy.
Isn't there a Runescape 3 too?
like, a 3D version of RS?
@Nzall OSRS is 3d Classic was 2d. Now there's also Runescape 3 which is more comparable to WoW or other MMOs in general
But yeah the graphics of OSRS are still pretty shit (they're from 2003)
14:09
@Wipqozn If you're not sequence-breaking, spider lady should be the first boss you can bring enhanced pyromancy gloves to.
@Yuuki she's immune to fire
RS3 has decent graphics and animations but It's full of mtx
So I'll be hand axing her to death
@Wipqozn Aren't there pyromancy spells that don't do fire damage?
@Yuuki in the dlc maybe
14:11
I remember after dying a few times against Quelaag, I stripped naked and used a giant club to beat her to death.
Honestly pyro hadn't made a huge difference against bosses so far. Fireball was too slow against gargoyles so I just axed them to death.
@Wipqozn Nah, it's all about Combustion, man.
@Yuuki I plan to buy great combustion
I plan to upgrade my hand axe to lightning once I get to anor londo. I'll probably have a fire battle axe as a back up.
Can't you use a great club as SL1?
@Yuuki not even close. That needs 28 strength
14:17
Hmm... not sure what I was thinking then.
There's a reinforced club which is popular
> Battle Axe
Hand Axe
Heavy Crossbow (2h)
Light Crossbow
Jagged Ghost Blade
Dagger
Ghost Blade
Fist
Caestus
Dark Hand
Blacksmith Giant Hammer (2h)
Blacksmith Hammer (2h)
Club
Hammer of Vamos (2h)
Mace
Morningstar
Pickaxe (2h)
Reinforced Club
Broken Straight Sword
Straight Sword Hilt
@Wipqozn Maybe I was thinking of that.
Sl1 runs normally use a combination of the hand axe, battle axe, and reinforced club
Apparently, grabbing the Sanctus, Dusk Crown Ring, and being cursed makes Power Within not consume health.
And you should be able to just put the Sanctus on your back and two-hand another weapon and still have the health regen.
tfw rebooting your main database server takes ~20 times as long as you expect it to
14:21
@Yuuki What is SL1?
@StrixVaria Soul Level 1. Basically, you pick Pyromancer class and never level up.
Oh, interesting.
As a "skill game" I figured it would be possible, but it sounds tedious.
There are some things that makes it easier. Like pyromancies scaling to your glove rather than any stat.
And Chaos enchantment scales to your pooled humanity, IIRC.
20 min reboot times rds pls
@StrixVaria because of the non-stat scaling weapon upgrade paths like lightning and fire your damage isn't actually that much lower compared to a regular one. The key difference is your low health, stamina and very limited weapon selection.
Basically you still hit hard, but not dying is waaaay harder
14:30
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Q: Unable to start The Samaritan Agenda in The Fractured But Whole on Switch

jornaneI have played The Fractured But Whole until the The Chaos Gambit quest, which I assume I have finished. I'm at the Freedom Pals, Timmy said he had a mission for me but he disappeared behind a curtain that I'm not allowed to go to. Mysterion says I should prove I want to be there Bought all c...

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Q: Is the Lance Shield as strong or stronger than the Gunlance Shield?

bubbajake00I'm thinking of starting to use the Lance or Gunlance, and wasn't sure about this. So basically: Do they block the same? Does one block certain attack the other can't? When blocking, do you take more damage with one than the other? I'm just concerned about the weapons themselves mostly. If ...

> future CEO of GitHub JitHub
@fredley Top Banter
I'm reading through that AMA right now and...
> I've said it a lot: Imagine if actual laws operated on best practices of code changes: Small, frequent commits. Diffs. Testing.
Ah, the "it works in Silicon Valley so it has to work everywhere" school of thought.
"Small frequent changes" to laws is terrifying if you actually think about the implications.
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14:46
ah yes, the startup mindset
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Q: How do I get a frozen key mold with no ice biome?

mawile4presidentOn my 3ds terraria I went into my dungeon and found a frozen chest,but I don't have an ice biome. The websites I have looked at do not have any information on this specific issue. I do not know how to get one andd I do not want to make another world just for this one thing. Does anyone have a sol...

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Q: In 'Mrs Warren's Profession' What is the secret that Gilbert and Merle try to hide?

KingaIn 'Mrs. Warren's Profession' What is the secret that Gilbert and Merle try to hide?

@Yuuki How do you test a law?
@Ronan Ostensibly, you'd probably have it passed in a smaller jurisdiction and evaluate its effects over time.
Which is something we kinda already do.
(e.g. marijuana legalization at the state level)
@Ash Ooh, this looks nice
Except no Overdrive integration, that's weird
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15:02
Someone I met back when I was doing for microsoft just called me, asking how we can contact me, telling me that my skype is down...
@JonArdt I rejected and edited a few of your suggested edits for bypassing the minimum edit length requirement; I invite you to discuss it with me either in chat or on meta, but first please read through meta.stackexchange.com/questions/77233 and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/82893
in retrospect maybe I should've improve edit-ed; reject and edit is kinda heavy handed
uh @JonathanDavidArndt *
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normally I'd give them my discord tag, but my avatar is this, so... idk
It is a good avatar
@Unionhawk oh a team finally managed to kill the endboss of the raid. The loot is ultra trash tho
There's raids in Runescape?
15:07
A couple in old school
I think more in 3
@Yuuki Yeah there has been one for about a year now and yesterday they released the 2nd one
I guess you might consider fight pit to be a raid?
idk
Although I'm pretty sure the one that got released yesterday will see some nerfs (or buffs in terms of loot)
@Unionhawk nah that's a solo activity
That's true
@Ave if you're worried about them reacting badly to that av, you could suggest email or something, I guess?
15:09
Also fightcaves is more or less easy if you have 75 ranged. Inferno is definitely hard tho
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@ToxicFrog yeah, I will probably give them my mxid, jid or just email
probably jid
The only "hard" part about the fight caves is the endboss. The waves are pretty easy because everything is savespottable or doesn't hit hard.
But the Jad hits up to 97 if you fail a prayer
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@ToxicFrog jabberid
I have a rather fancy one ([email protected])
15:24
@Ave but that avatar is great!
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well I agree
Not super professional imo
But yeah it's cute
ehhhhh, profesional avis are overrated
what should it be, those 90s portrait shots of you looking uncomfortable in a suit?
@GodEmperorDune 80s portrait shot of you looking comfortable in a suit
15:34
That is a pretty awesome avatar and I would have no qualms about using it as my work-av
But this is also a generally queer-friendly workplace and city
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@SaintWacko I honestly don't use overdrive with it, I use calibre
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The lack of water resistance is also a concern
The TSA attendant grabbed my work laptop and showed another agent and they both had a weird reaction. I think I just realized why!
lmao
bwahahahaha
15:52
@Unionhawk why is their laptop labelled "giant bomb"?
> Associate Producer at @GiantBomb
I have to imagine this wouldn't have ended with a comedic tweet if This message has been moved to This Is Fine
@Yuuki oh, duh
@Ash There is that. I really like the idea of reading at the beach or on a boat
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16:08
@SaintWacko I read when I walk, its nice on my Aura H20 that the raindrops don't turn the pages :P
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(That used to drive me crazy on my Kobo Glo)
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@Yuuki I am not sure what I should be remarking on here
@Ash That person's hand is underwater.
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@Yuuki nooooo way
If you look around their wrist, you can see the slight but abrupt change in skin tone that indicates water level.
16:12
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Q: Is it possible to view set bonus without collecting entire set?

arghtypeI'm asking about seeing set bonus in game, no in wiki. I can see it once I complete the set on stats page, but is it possible to see set bonus having only some pieces or even recipes? I'm quite early in the game and crafting all the sets just to see their bonuses is too expensive. I play on PS4.

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@Yuuki Okay yeah I see it but my brain doesn't want to believe it
Omg I fucked things up with my friend who I was gonna go to the fair with
Why is my life always like this
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I'm still not sure if I want to go to pride or not
I even asked my local lgbt group (which is... funded by sweden? what?) for dates etc but I'm sorta scared.
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16:29
@Ave Could you go with a group of people? would that make it easier, like a safety in numbers thing?
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@Ave (also they literally ended their email with "we love you.\n good luck.". I'm not sure if I should be happy or creeped out about the "good luck" and "we love you" things)
@Ash I was going to go with a friend but they decided that as they're planning to go stealth, pride is not for them.
user15026
@Ave Its likely a kindness sort of thing more than a creepifying thing, like them trying to indicate "hey we like you as you" sort of thing
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@Ave I can see how that would be tricky then
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Anyone from that LGBT group going? That might be worth investigating maybe?
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oh they didn't even know the dates
they had to dig up the facebook link which took them 2 days.
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16:36
Ah.
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I don't think that this lgbt group does much. Ankara banned all LGBT events private or public so... I guess they're limited to just providing information to people and doing research.
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16:49
Ah, that sucks :(
17:04
what the fuck they're remaking/making a new shaq fu
what is this
world
that we live in
@Unionhawk the best world
coming to all platforms
shaq fu on switch
Clearly this recent reality is just the cost we need to pay for the glory that is Shaq fu
I think there was a Kickstarter
Probably
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@Unionhawk wait what
17:13
The day of our deliverance has arrived! Shaq Fu: A Legend Reborn is available now on PS4, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, & Steam. Step into Shaq's size 22 shoes and experience the game voiced by the big man himself! https://t.co/kSkIM6Mo1w
I don't know
nor do I understand
> Please purchase TIF access to view the rest of this message
@Ash Haha, I would not even have thought about that
17:31
@SaintWacko rain while reading is The Worst
And if the H2O were smaller I'd probably get one.
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@ToxicFrog I didn't think I'd like it being bigger, but I don't mind it
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@SaintWacko It drove me crazy. Now I am like "theoretically I could read in the shower"
@Ash at 7" it's just large enough to be uncomfortable one-handed and not fit conveniently in my purse or my pockets or my waist pouch
And if I can't take it absolutely everywhere with me at all times what even is the point
Apparently Paladins on the Switch is 60fps.
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@ToxicFrog Fair enough - my current purse fits it pretty nicely so that works for me
17:35
Which is damn impressive for a shooter, I think.
@Ash yeah, but I'm pretty sure you could beat me to death with your current purse if for some reason you needed to
Whereas mine is pretty small and honestly still larger than I'd like
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@ToxicFrog Hey, my "purse" used to be a messenger bag so this is positively tiny by comparison!
@ToxicFrog Given that @Ash basically has superstrength, I’m not sure they need their purse.
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@Yuuki Well, I don't know how to punch really so that's a problem
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(also my purse is only 10"L x 5.75"W x 8"H (if I matched it to the right type, Fossil doesn't have my particular one on their site anymore which is not shocking because I got it at TJ Maxx for cheap))
17:40
@Chippies I assumed as much. I think my far-flung foe is still rather good. Especially seeing as it is based far before the DLC Overpoweredness was added.
(Also: Just Cause 4 announcement has been leaked through multiple sources. One of them the Steam store that had a pre-purchase option/ad on the front page for it)
@Arperum Oooh
@SaintWacko The subreddit has been going crazy over it the entire day, speculations were all over for the last week, since they added JC3 to a thing in the same way they did with JC2 before the release of 3
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Q: FEAR 3 Single player shows problem during start

Yuzuriha InoriI am trying to play FEAR 3 on my laptop but there seems to be a small problem. It arises when I start a single player campaign. As soon as I open Campaign and then click on Single Player, it says "The host has quit the session". I added a quick picture of it. Looking for a solution, I also foun...

a couple topics with screenshots from the steam thing
is there a better way of selecting columns x, y, z from table t1 and count(*) from table t2 where t1.z = t2.z than using a sub query?
18:04
I can think up a group by construct that may or may not be better.
can't type out nopw though, food on the fire.
checked food, is going fine.
select t1.x,t1.y,t1.z, count(1) from t1 left join t2 on t1.z = t2.z group by t1.x,t1.y,t1.z
I don't know how much better performing that'll be though.
@Arperum alright, ill try that, thanks
try it out, see the difference
mainly im trying to make it so i can also pass a filter to return rows where count > 0 if the users wants that, which i cant figure out how to do with a subquery
but since it is large amounts of data, optimizing queries is also improtant
Double XP weekend in Overwatch apparently.
CC @whoever plays overwatch or whatever
@StrixVaria according to the overwatch room, no one
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18:11
this is so good and so bad
(didn't go to jukebox because it's a bad parody)
18:46
@StrixVaria I should really play this again... I'm not sure what happened, but I hit level 80something and just stopped.
18:57
@StrixVaria Ooh. Good time for it, too. Get some anniversary loot boxes
@StrixVaria The fuck
I'm hearing surprisingly good things about Realm Royale, Hi-Rez's take on the battle royale genre. It's VR Paladins, apparently?
@Fluttershy It'd be interesting to see a class-based battle royale game.
Oh, Hi-Rez Studios
I quite liked Global Agenda back in the day
Rather than just "well, just find a random on the map otherwise everyone is the same".
Didn't their CEO or somesuch do a very strange AMA?
19:00
@StrixVaria if i never heard the original song, i'd think this was a good song
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Q: Is there any cap or soft cap for weapon proficiency?

arghtypeOn wiki I've found weapons damage stats up to 20 level of prociciency, but here people report having up to 29 level. Is there any cap or recommended soft cap for weapons proficiencies?

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Q: SMAC : how to zoom to/find a city?

MawgAlmost two decades now, and I never found this out. Even a hotkey FAQ doesn't help. At the start of a turn, I get a message "something awful happened at/near <city name>. I only ever play huge maps - how do I find <city name>?

@bertieb You have a period and a space in front.
@Yuuki Aye, to de-onebox :)
Ah.
19:04
Image was $Texas-sized
tl;dr employees don't like working at Hirez, I guess
To me, that just means "don't work there".
I dunno if that's really an outlier from the rest of the industry tbh
And I have never planned on working in game dev.
the industry is fucking awful
it needs organization more than any other tech sector
idk about the battle royale mode but paladins itself sucks
19:07
@Unionhawk Pretty much every entertainment industry is awful, although gaming is probably one of the worst right now.
took all the mistakes from overwatch and made them worse
passionate and talented people just getting absolutely squeezed dry until they leave after like 6 years usually
only saving grace is that it's crossplatform
@quartata The specs are apparently pretty good on Switch.
It'd be interesting to see if Paladins becomes successful on the Switch and convinces Blizzard to make an Overwatch port.
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19:45
ah yes, gamedev industry
never ever.
ever.
maybe indie.
@Fluttershy I heard some not great things about it, like not having a solo mode? It's all teams
oh the complaints I heard were about a different battle royale game. The not-having-solo-mode thing though apparently is for Realm Royale
@Ave game workers of all nations unite
you have a world to win
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that's a revolution I'll support
but one I will not take part in.
I did a lot of different dev stuff in the past, and gamedev was in bottom 3 in terms of the fun I had and the quality of the results, down there with frontend dev and batch dev.
@Chippies yeah, its annoying not having solo mode.
20:06
How does that work? Are you always matched with other people?
@Yuuki you can queue for duo or squad. you can choose to not auto fill your squad, but are then at an inherent disadvantage
there is no solo queue
Hi-Rez thinks you have friends to play battle royale games with. /r/absolutelynotmeirl
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so this just happened.
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ikr
restarting the game now
20:15
@Yuuki I'd play with you more! But harvest just started, so I'm not gonna be around much for a couple of weeks.
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@Ave that fixed it
20:35
I forget who said it, but yeah LotR Online was too old for it's own good. The intro story mission was well-made, and there was a lot of baseline playability for classes given up front, but after a good half hour to an hour of play, I had only fought 4 enemies and still wasn't close to any real content.
Given that it took nearly 3 hours to install, then an hour and a half to patch, that was not a worth-while experience.
It's the kind of game where you need a much deeper connection to Tolkien lore so that you can attach to the game, because as a game it doesn't hold up to even Korean MMO standards of today. :'(
Maybe it gets better, me and my group don't know, but the experience didn't leave us wanting to find out
The real problem with LotR Online is that WoW got there first and got better faster.
The combat system, at a glance at least, looks really good, at least for Target-Lock style skill system
I remember giving WoW a try when they first started their Free-to-20 system.
I ended up making it to level 10 and having so much more fun with the fact that I could get on top of the lamp posts and sit on them.
That character hasn't budged from that lamp post since unless they've changed that map.
I honestly wish my friends would be more open to playing FFXIV. It's close enough to WoW that I think they'd like it, it has some UI features that I really appreciate, the ability to switch classes is fantastic, and I adore its gathering and crafting system.
@Yuuki Same. I love the Japanese-style MMOs.
PSO2 had that feature and it seems characteristic of Japanese MMOs
I haven't played any other Japanese MMOs.
20:40
You made a character to try out a class but don't like it? Just start training the other class.
FFXIV is my perfect MMO, but the problem is the cost is prohibitive. If it worked off of a game-hour system, instead of a "You can play for this month." I'd have been more likely to stick with it.
I really like that gathering and crafting are classes in FFXIV and not just skills you can tack on to your character.
I think I'm a level 30 Jeweler in FFXIV, but my combat classes are all low, lol
The minigame is very fun
I love it so much.
I was actually disappointed that I needed to level my combat classes to continue with certain craft quests.
Whereas the extent of gathering and crafting in WoW is "fly here, get this thing, open your crafting menu, click a button, wait, get your item".
Boooooooring.
20:43
I feel like any non-combat element needs to be a mini-game.
EXCEPT FOR DIALOGUE
WoW's starting to add meta-progression to their gathering/crafting skills but honestly that makes it more annoying rather than fun.
Yeah, I don't think craft skills need passive trees.
No, I'd rather not craft a gajillion elixirs just so I can be more efficient at crafting elixirs.
FFXIV was right to give them Actives for crafting and gathering
I do like what they did with fishing though.
20:45
It's engaging and it gives you extra control of the outcomes
How is fishing in WoW?
BDO had a good fishing system where geographic locations in the water were more likely to have schools of fish, but you had to actually go there when there were schools of fish to get good fishing rates.
In Legion, fishing in pools of fish has a chance of dropping rare bait. You can use that rare bait to attract rare fish. If you have the special fishing rod (which you unlock through a rather involved questline), you can use those rare fish to upgrade your fishing rod.
Eventually, you can upgrade your fishing rod to the point where it has an active to teleport you to the nearest pool of fish and wielding it lets you walk on water or turn into a fish/dolphin with a fast swim speed.
The only problem with BDO is that the PvE aspect for small groups dies down almost immediately once you hit PvP soft-cap. You need to have a big guild to start doing world bosses and most end-game content is focused on PvP and Silver farming.
That sounds ridiculously powerful.
It sounds like something you could use to escape a gank in PvP, no?
Side note: I hate world PvP forever.
Saaaaame, bro. Same.
It's the dumbest part of WoW and I hate that they keep trying to keep it alive.
20:50
They keep it alive because of the veterans who still play, right?
For those players, that's all that's left for them to do, isn't it?
Most of the veterans I know also hate world PvP.
Then what do veterans do?
@Axoren Raid?
Organized PvP?
Are there still new raids coming out every so often?
World PvP isn't fun and trying to keep alive results in some stupid as hell lore decisions.
@Axoren Yeah.
20:51
Wow.
That's impressive.
Good on you, Blizzard.
The most recent expansion has at least four or five raids.
Anyway, back to stupid as hell lore decisions. This last expansion ended with everybody teaming up to defeat the super-evil world-destroying demon army. The new one coming out later this year is "oh we're angry at each other again because one of the faction leaders is now a mustache-twirling villain that burned a capital to the ground".
Sounds like they're just running out of ideas
I don't blame them.
MMO storylines never struck me as worth a whole lot
You can't really pull that shit without a time skip.
20:55
Sometimes, I'd like the Void Lords to invade, wipe everyone off the face of Azeroth and reality, and then we start WoW 2.0 without dumb-as-hell faction PvP.
There was a concept one where every player had a different role, like you could actually be the king or whatever but your characters age and died and eventually were gone forever
So like not everyone played the same storyline, you could do whatever
Plus, they really need a new engine so I'd like a WoW 2.0 reboot.
One player might rule the world but if you got assassinated or something you'd lose everything
WoW's managed to age surprisingly gracefully, but it's showing.
Cool idea but still impossible with today's tech I think
20:57
It's not so much impossible with today's tech as much as it wouldn't really sell, I don't think. I personally hate Rust, for example.
I tried wurm online once cause I wanted to be a sea trader in an MMO but I couldn't get into it
@Yuuki I think they were aiming for way too much emergent gameplay and plot
I don't know about that. I just hate Rust because I can log off and come back to find that I have to make a new character.
Lol. Yeah.
Yeah, okay, I'll just keep playing this game forever.
Same problem too I bet
20:59
Personally, I like Family System style CC
If you integrate it with Player Marriage, even better

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