The Bridge

tzenes

22:02

I suppose that's true

Oak

We just need to make sure we filter out noise, even if it's related to a popular new game.

tzenes

I'd prefer if we were able to attract the real Hardcore gamers

2

Arda Xi

yeah, that's what SE is all about, but hard to accomplish in gaming

tzenes

The people with huge spreadsheets to figure out the best damage in Puzzle Quest, or who know the secret hard container on Megaman 7 in the Jungle Zone

alexanderpas

we will, we will...

Oak

22:03

@tzenes oh yea, those are the best

tzenes

very, as gamers are a fractious lot

Oak

I still remember the excels I got of Diablo 2... those were huge

Arda Xi

I had spreadsheets for trading in EvE Online, does that count?

tzenes

Oh man, you should have seen the ones I did for WoW

back in the WotLK beta

alexanderpas

Eve... sigh...

tzenes

22:04

when every 2 days they changed

Ivo Flipse

1337 gamers @tzenes?

tzenes

and I had to update

Oak

But what is the best way to get them? Do we need quality answers first, or high traffic first? I'd say we need both, and that's a difficult balance to achieve.

tzenes

HardcoreGamers

I don't like 1337

Arda Xi

we need publication definitely

tzenes

22:04

@Oak Quality Questions, not answers

good questions make a good SE, not good answers

alexanderpas

g4m3r2!1

Ivo Flipse

we should use their content to create new, 'better' answers @oak

that way they will pop up in the search results, because they ARE good

tzenes

Good questions will get the search results

we need to get our foot in the door

and its the questions that'll do that

Oak

@tzenes agreed, questions are the important thing

Ivo Flipse

I have to say: what's are the best rotations for a level 80 Warlock? isn't a bad question title

tzenes

22:06

yup

That's a great title

because best is well defined

Ivo Flipse

but the question should also provide what the user has tried himself

tzenes

Highest DPS or Easiest to Learn

alexanderpas

but questions will need to be answered, otherwise we're just another Q&nothing fail.

Ivo Flipse

where are you going to use it? what items do you have? what spec do you want?

tzenes

I think the Q&nothings fail because they have bad questions, not a lack of answers

go on there they have tons of answers

Ivo Flipse

22:07

and those answers should just be CW, so everyone can pitch in and get just a couple of really good answers

tzenes

I disagree Ivo

alexanderpas

staticically Highest DPS or staticically Easiest to Learn!

tzenes

for that question its a well defined formula

I don't think thats a CW

Even if there isn't 1 answer, a good answer would be : Here are the 3 most popular for high dps

alexanderpas

no need for CW, unless they want to!

tzenes

or in your case: Here is the one for Demo, here is the one for Afflic, etc

Look at the question about Zerg builds I answered

I posted 6 different builds, explained them and illustrated their strengths and weaknesses

alexanderpas

22:09

kekeke

tzenes

I REALLY like zerg

Chacha102

Hello

alexanderpas

Hi!

Chacha102

Who are you?

Ivo Flipse

well if you put in the effort and create the best item out of the box @tzenes: it doesn't have to be CW

but often I see room for improvement in other people's answers

tzenes

22:10

haha

that's what comments are for IMO

being like: you forgot X and Y

Ivo Flipse

they have their limits

Arda Xi

I don't see the usefulness for CW anywhere

Ivo Flipse

people often post me too answers with useful stuff in it

tzenes

and if the list is like: you forgot A,B,C,D,E, then it should really be a new answer

alexanderpas

@Chacha102 I am:

tzenes

22:11

*two

Ivo Flipse

oooooor just one really good one :P

alexanderpas

alexanderpas, Netherlands

3.9k 3 26

dwarf-fortress wii fallout-3 pc spoiler old-games mario

Arda Xi

then again, I can edit any question, so I might be biased

tzenes

its a shame you can't select 2 answers as correct

Ivo Flipse

like the raiding compendium I've seen on EJ.com

man I'm so addicted to those articles

tzenes

22:12

The raiding compendium used to be 1 post

Ivo Flipse

though our format doesn't really support them

I know

tzenes

one for each class

someone collected it from all the other threads and maintained it

alexanderpas

oh... NOES!

Ivo Flipse

there's a feature request for linked to sub headers in an answer, that would helping making really long answers

tzenes

there was ownership there

Ivo Flipse

22:12

that's what I would be after here as well

I don't care about the rep, I care about the quality

tzenes

Subheaders would be nice, instead of making 1 answer into 4

Ivo Flipse

if 1 person would be appointed as the [X]-expert and would 'moderate' those answers, that would improve the quality a lot!

tzenes

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Q: Pros and Cons of the Starcraft 2 Races

How would you describe the Pros and Cons of the different Races in Starcraft 2? I.e. which Race has stronger Air-to-Air Units? Which can adapt faster to enemy tactics? Which has the strongest Defense? etc. CW as this Question is obviously subjective.

starcraft-2

see how I broke it into 4 answers to be more managable?

that sucks

alexanderpas

btw: CW for main post, linking to each question for each class.

tzenes

an Expert level might be useful, being a mod on those questions

Ivo Flipse

22:14

that could work @alexanderpas

I also find it useful gathering info in one place

because reading A LOT of info will make sure you learn it yourself as well!

so it's not like im wasting my time

tzenes

Well being able to have "tables of contents" for certain things would be nice

alexanderpas

table of contents can be CW Questions, where the question is an explanation what can be found here, and the accepted answer is the actual TOC pointing to other (non-CW) questions.

tzenes

I'm not 100% on this name just yet, but here is what I'm thinking:

-1

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

I really don't think most of these get to what the point of this site is. We are the Hardcore Gamers who know the minor details of games. We know where to find the hidden energy container in Megaman 7 in the Jungle Zone. We know the optimal build for a Barbarian in Diablo 2 to maximize dps. ...

alexanderpas

Naturally, there need to be enough questions answered(!) before a TOC is warranted.

Ivo Flipse

is hardcoregamers taken?

hardcoregamers.com

google.nl/…

Arda Xi

22:19

no

Ivo Flipse

doesn't seem to be used

Arda Xi

I'm checking right now

tzenes

even if it was, hardcoregaming isn't

but something along those lines

Macha

meh, I still prefer quicksave

tzenes

I don't like 1337, but I think Hardcore is pretty ubiquitous

Ivo Flipse

22:20

it keeps amazing me how nobody but @Macha responded to my question other than upvoting it

yeah for sex :P

tzenes

quicksave is cool, but it doesn't really seem relavent

Arda Xi

I can post I agree, but that's all I have to add

Macha

5

Q: How can I run Dwarf Fortress in text mode on my Linux VPS

I installed Dwarf Fortress on my Linux VPS to use with dfterm. It's running Ubuntu 10.04. I'm fairly certain I have all the dependencies: I've installed: ncurses ncursesw libsdl libsdl-image libgtk libglu libopenal1 I had to turn sound off or it will instantly segfault, and I set the display...

dwarf-fortress tech-support game-installation

Good, bad, somewhere else?

Ivo Flipse

well you probably don't agree ALL list questions should die ;-)

so if there's a fine line, where is it?

tzenes

I actually disagree and I'll post about it later

Arda Xi

22:22

I do, kill them all :)

tzenes

@Macha isn't DFTerm an .exe?

Arda Xi

my opinion is: "all list questions should be closed unless they pass these strict guidelines."

tzenes

I just disagree about game-rec

Macha

@tzenes It's distributed as source for Linux.

tzenes

there is no amount of strict that is strict enough to prevent bad ones

alexanderpas

22:23

but what about those casual gamers who have problems with Wii Sports Resort? I think this might alianate(sp?) some of our potential userbase (question askers.) =0 vote.

Macha

@tzenes But I haven't gotten to that point.

Arda Xi

well, as interesting as this conversation is, I think I'll dedicate some time to its namesake :)

alexanderpas

"not using an emulator" is that already needed now...

tzenes

@Macha did you look at the source? does it compile to a .so?

better question, does it compile to a .dll?

actually, why am I asking you, its on git

Macha

@tzenes dfterm compiles to an exe.

tzenes

22:26

yeah, windows

genodeen.net/files/dfterm2

Macha

@tzenes Still an exectuable on Linux

@tzenes Sorry, not a literal exe

@tzenes An executable file. Typical. 3 years of Linux and I still call executables EXEs

tzenes

no, I mean I'm reading this guys website

Macha

But Dwarf Fortress itself doesn't run, never mind dfterm

tzenes

he says windows

ah

DF on linux, good luck

Macha

bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=50643.105

Scroll down

DF on my desktop works fine (even text mode)

alexanderpas

22:28

wow... dfterm2 looks nice (now, who builds a visualizer that uses DFterm as backend ;))

tzenes

where are you seeing linux?

Ivo Flipse

well @tzenes it's community wiki, so feel free to change it if you think we can adapt it. But to me a lot of game-rec questions are also just lists, that have to follow our basic rules

Macha

Oops, page 1

bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=50643.0

"- Linux version supports any DF version that has TEXT available for PRINT_MODE. Or any other terminal program that the built-in minimal terminal emulator can handle. (tested irssi, NetHack and Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup)."

"Linux users: compile the source yourselves. There's build_instructions.txt inside that may or may not be up to date. I can't guarantee the code always compiles or that there are no temporary showstoppers in the code."

dfterm has compiled. It's the df binary that's causing problems.

alexanderpas

... as usual.

tzenes

Fair enough @Macha

@Ivo I just think that any game-rec encourages game-rec, so we have to nuk them all

Macha

22:31

Ironically, it runs fine on my Arch Linux x64 system - the opposite to usual.

alexanderpas

... as usual with DF

Ivo Flipse

ah in that case, you can put that in as a clause

Kevin Y

Dang, I must've missed the notice that chat was reopened. :P

alexanderpas

I know that feeling.

Stack Overflow Blog: Chat Now In Public Beta

Posted by Jeff Atwood on August 4th, 2010

Our “third place”, after a successful three day beta preview, is now on the final path to launch.

What is this mythical third place I speak of?

Because you not only need a place to have intelligent Q&A about managing your finances, you need a place to talk about the place, and a less formal “third place” to collaborate in real time with the fellow members of your community.

This is a permanent public beta, meaning chat is now live on one site in our network … forever. We plan to roll out out chat on more sites in about 4 weeks, assuming the public beta goes reasonably well. …

no magic link?

sad panda!

tzenes

still my favorite: blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/…

Ivo Flipse

22:42

put that up as a feature request ;)

alexanderpas

lovely video in that blog post

►

sigh... the only place i can go while utterly bored, and spend three hours without noticing are the (M)SO/SF/SU/SE sites. (and lose the bored status in the meantime.)

tzenes

23:04

Uh oh Raven, we're tied. Quick somebody upvote one of his questions so he's back on top

alexanderpas

you managed to get 495 rep only from this one:

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A: What build order should I use for Zerg in StarCraft 2?

An opening dictates how you are going to start the match. The basic Zerg openings: 10 Pool (Rush) 13 Pool (Standard) 14 Pool, 16 Hatch (Macro) 14 Hatch, 15 Pool (Macro+) 13 Gas, 13 Pool (NeoZerg) 12 Pool (Sen Style) How to read these: The number indicates the number of drones you should buil...

Ivo Flipse

night night everyone

alexanderpas

CU

I'm off too.

antony.trupe

23:31

any questions that need close votes?

Arda Xi

ahb.me/dZR

closed the two with 4

this one really needs be closed

tzenes

@alexanderpas actually that one hit the rep cap more than once

Arda Xi

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Q: How can I make a backup copy of my Wii games?

I have two small children. No matter how careful I am, they always seem to get their hands on my Wii game discs and scratch them so I can't play them any more. Is there a way I can backup/copy my games so that I'm protected when this happens? It would seem like I should be able to make a byte-...

wii

antony.trupe

I'm out of votes for a few minutes

Arda Xi

25

and mckay's answer is useless

it might be useful as a comment, but not an answer

tzenes

23:37

I'm out of close votes

I wouldn't say its useless so much as inaccurate

the accurate answer would be that it is difficult as well as illegal

Arda Xi

but there is a legal way

I'm going to write up a proper answer

tzenes

is there?

Arda Xi

lifehacker.com/5518518/…

Kevin Y

That interface is nice. :)

IMO it looks better than the "channels".

Arda Xi

aand they close it

please help me reopen because it has a legal answer and it's pretty much on-topic

tzenes

23:45

what's the asnwer?

Arda Xi

:58524 <-

tzenes

this seems sketch

Arda Xi

hm?

tzenes

the lifehacker thing

as in not legal

Arda Xi

it's allowed under the DMCA exemption

tzenes

23:47

which exemption?

Arda Xi

the one for backups

looking it up now

tzenes

Digital Millennium Copyright Act

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. P...

Arda Xi

that's a wikipedia page

tzenes

purpose of good faith testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities, if:

that is the only exemption governing video games

Arda Xi

hmm

you seem to be right

I can't find it

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