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ToxicFrog

23:00

Way back in the day there was a browser-based space game called Pardus

Possibly it's still around

I authored a greasemonkey script for it, although I no longer remember what it did

GodEmperorDune

and kolmafia has its own scripting language built in

@Ash it changes the game drastically, takes some of the fun out of it and makes it into a more programmery kind of fun

user15026

@GodEmperorDune yeah, you guys can have that fun

GodEmperorDune

@Ash as a non programmer, you can still play it and it improves the UI, gives hints, that sort of thing

user15026

@GodEmperorDune yeah, but if I gotta install a thing, I don't think I should do that here

user15026

and I kinda like my routines. And the wiki generally helps me if I need

GodEmperorDune

23:03

@Ash then i recommend continuing in browser

user15026

shall do :)

user15026

looks at budget, tries to decide if buying a Mr. Accessory is in the cards or not

ToxicFrog

encounters the Toot Oriole

Epsilon has purloined my chair.

user15026

@ToxicFrog you know it belongs to cat-kind anyhow, as do all house furnishings

GodEmperorDune

@Ash did i send you a wedding gift in kol? i don't remember

ToxicFrog

23:07

Also this is reminding me that Progress Quest exists

I wonder if I still have my saves somewhere

user15026

@GodEmperorDune you thought about it but I don't think so

ToxicFrog

Wooo liver popsicle

user15026

not that I can use anything you send right now anyhow >.<

user15026

silly ronin

GodEmperorDune

arg, ronin

user15026

23:12

I don't know if I can even get out of ronin fast enough to use anything any time soon, I still have like 900 turns

ToxicFrog

It won't let me mix whiskey with grapefruit

GodEmperorDune

ok, are you overdrunk yet?

ToxicFrog

Zero stars

What kind of game lets me make liver popsicles but not grapefruit whiskey

user15026

@GodEmperorDune Nope, just at peak drunk, am out of martinis

GodEmperorDune

@Ash ah :(

Mazura

23:14

Please VTRO the Monkey Island Games question, if only so that it can be closed for a legitimate reason... or not.

user15026

@Mazura please give us clear reasons why we should and why the current close reason is not sufficient.

Mazura

N/A: Questions asking for help identifying a game, based on a description, feature list, or any other criteria are off-topic; this blog post might help. One exception is identifying games based on an actual piece of the game, i.e. screenshots or audio clips." –

user15026

"based on a feature list or any other criteria" applies though

user15026

It's basically "tell me which games do a thing"

user15026

So that's why that reason was used

Mazura

23:17

So it should be broken into one question for each game?

Frank

If it gets reopened, I'm voting to close it again instantly.

Mazura

A bit superfluous, no?

Frank

Sounds a bit more like a game design question than a real, practical problem.

Dragonrage

its asking to prove a negative which is basically impossible to do across 4 games

user15026

@Frank eh, I disagree - "can I potentially render this game I own unbeatable" is somewhat a legit concern, if I am understanding what they're asking

Frank

23:19

@Ash But they're asking in the aspect of, "How can I design my own game to ensure that doesn't happen?"

Mazura

@Dragonrage You sound pretty confident that you can't brick an MI game...

Frank

Not in any, "I'm stuck and can't progress" sort of way.

user15026

@Frank oh, I missed that context

user15026

@Mazura well, so far, there's little evidence presented that you can.

user15026

So, it's easier and nicer to believe that the game isn't going to die on you.

Mazura

23:20

@Ash And there won't be if it's closed.

user15026

@Mazura it's still kinda a problem because of the above that I first mentioned, though, scope wise

Dragonrage

@Mazura if you cant prove you can, its impossible to prove you cant without an exhaustion test

user15026

"Perhaps I'll expand this question to all LucasArts games" does not fill me with hope, either

user15026

"Has anyone ever found such a bug in the Monkey Island games?" This is a bad premise for a thing because yeah, a millino people who have played it will be like "nope" but it's very needle in haystack to find maybe if someone has

Mazura

I'll admit, asking if breaking one quest or w/e is kinda useless. Can I break a MI game is an awesome question though.

Frank

23:22

@Mazura Why?

user15026

@Mazura Why is it awesome?

Mazura

@Ash SE is for finding needles in haystacks.

user15026

@Mazura Not always, no.

Mazura

@Ash Because I don't think you can.

Dragonrage

@Ash its asking to find a needle that may or may not exist in one of 4 haystacks

ToxicFrog

23:23

IMO, "here is my current game state, is it broken" is fine, and "has anyone broken it" is fine-ish because if someone has you can point them at that, although if no-one has it's hard to say if that's because no-one has or because they just didn't document it

user15026

@Dragonrage at that point, just go buy a needle!

ToxicFrog

"can it be broken" is much broader.

Mazura

So, less haystacks then, or what?

user15026

@ToxicFrog "has anyone done x" is bordering on weird discussion-y forum territory that we generally try to avoid

Mazura

Please see the comments on the question.

Frank

23:24

The problem isn't so much that it has multiple games, I feel. It's more about there being no real practical utility to it. It's trivia.

user15026

Because we could get a lot of "Not me <here are more words because character limit>" posts

user15026

@Mazura I have.

user15026

Multiple times now.

ToxicFrog

I think the closest you can come to definitively answering this question is "the developers tried to make this impossible", possibly with "but they failed here, here, and here" if people have in fact broken it.

Like, if I were asking this I would accept an answer that's "here's a quote from a lucasarts dev talking about how they tried to make it impossible to get their games into an unwinnable state"

Dragonrage

its essentially one of those things where you just have to assume innocent until proven guilty

Mazura

23:26

@ToxicFrog Yeah, I guess. I'd rather it be a walk through of how to brick MI.

Unionhawk

I don't find myself agreeing with @Frank a lot but hey it happens

Mazura

Like all FF games, unless you die I'm pretty sure they're all still beatable no matter what.

Where's that question ;)

In MI you can't even die...

ToxicFrog

@Mazura I'd rather have that as well, but there is no guarantee that such a thing exists, and it's functionally impossible to prove that it doesn't, sooooo

Unionhawk

To me, "how can you softlock game x" is at least too broad for any x

Memor-X

Yay! Ni no Kuni II comes out November this year!

Mazura

23:28

@ToxicFrog So give it a few days at least...

Dragonrage

@ash, quick question, how hard is it for a mod to change a tag name?

Mazura

@Unionhawk Not for any game that no one here thinks is possible.

user15026

@Dragonrage In what sense?

Unionhawk

It's not even about it being impossible or not

Avery

woo paypal softlocked my account

Mazura

23:31

Gah, now I'm going to try and look up the the answer to a closed question, because I want to know the answer. SE you failed me today.

user15026

@Avery aww damn :(

Dragonrage

@Ash for changing the tags now that we have a tentative 35 character limit to see how it works and to make sure nothing breaks

Avery

technically I was violating half of EULA.

user15026

@ToxicFrog right, but in that case, if it requires dev knowledge to answer, that's usually a different close reason ;)

Avery

still, 60usd wasted is 60usd wasted.

Unionhawk

23:32

@Avery how do you softlock a PayPal account is off topic on gaming dot stackexchange dot com

user15026

@Dragonrage not too tricky, I know @badp was poking sticks at things

Mazura

@Ash It requires someone who has done it to tell us how to do it.

user15026

@Mazura and if no one has done it.....

Dragonrage

ok, i was just hoping we didnt dump a ton of work on our mods with the extra character limits on the tags

Avery

@Unionhawk but what if I need the account to buy steam wallet codes so that I can buy shovel knight?

Mazura

23:33

@Ash I'd take a dev's word on no though.

ToxicFrog

@Ash if the dev knowledge is something they've posted publically, though

user15026

@Dragonrage It shouldn't be too bad, likely once we know we won't explode a thing, we'll work on hammering them out

ToxicFrog

Like, there's a difference (or if not, IMO, there should be) between "answering this requires asking the developers" and "the devs have already answered this in a talk/web page/blog/commentary"

user15026

@ToxicFrog but how do you know that it will be answerable?

user15026

That's the hard part

Dragonrage

23:35

@ToxicFrog i think the general rule is if its dev info required, it doesnt matter if it is released or not

Mazura

I just don't understand how the question Can you F-up in MI? is off-topic.

user15026

@Mazura We're trying to explain that.

Unionhawk

@Mazura I don't think off topic is correct, however it is too broad as far as I'm concerned.

Frank

@ToxicFrog There is, but how do you build a consistent policy on that?

user15026

@Frank Exactly - because we have no way to know when the question is asked if that info exists.

user15026

23:37

(short of self-answers but that's a different beast)

Unionhawk

The question is asking to consider an entire game and asks if there is any unintended way to cause a softlock

Which in my experience following glitchy games creates 2 possible scenarios: it is impossible, but that answer just gets "-1 HOW DO YOU KNOW" comments, or there are a million ways to do it

Mazura

"Most Lucas Arts adventure games didnt have an unwinnable state. that happened more in Sierra games. There are a couple games, but you should be good in Monkey Island." –did-i-fail-monkey-island

user15026

@Unionhawk I'd agree on that, but I can also see how the current close reason was selected, and I'm not sure reopening a question just to close it for a different reason is a good use of time.

user15026

@Mazura "There are a couple games" which ones? how do you get there?

Mazura

That's the question

user15026

23:39

Vague forum post is vague.

Unionhawk

@Ash it isn't

Mazura

Which LA Games are breakable?

user15026

@Mazura ITG based on list of features.

user15026

Likely to be closed.

user15026

(also thats hella broad)

Mazura

23:41

Ok fair point. Separate question for every LA game ever made then...

Dragonrage

@Ash 95% sure almost any bridge member would vtc within 5 seconds of seeing that

user15026

@Dragonrage I was trying to be conservative, but likely yes

Frank

@Mazura Still too broad, because it stems from a potentially negative question.

Unionhawk

Although now I'm realizing that softlock isn't the right word, since a softlock usually frees up with a reset

Mazura

@Frank Questions asking to prove a (in your opinion) likely negative, fall under too broad?

user15026

23:43

"Can this be broken" "well I didnt" "neither did I" "me neither" "Nope, I managed to play without issue" "I've played them all 1000x without problem" "well I broke it this way"

GodEmperorDune

@Mazura reopen one bad question or i'll create several bad questions isn't much of an argument

Mazura

@Ash That last guy, he's who I wanna talk to.

Frank

@Mazura "Consider this entire game. Can I somehow glitch it to cause this specific scenario?"

user15026

@Mazura what if there isn't that guy

Frank

Literally useless.

GodEmperorDune

23:43

@Mazura but questions are not for spurring conversations

they are for getting answers

user15026

Or what if someone thinks they're that guy, but then someone else comments and is like "nope dude you just missed putting the mustache on the pumpkin"

Dragonrage

asking on a forum would probably be better.

GodEmperorDune

we don't do well with trivia question type stuff

Dragonrage

those questions dont really work here

Mazura

Mods having to delete crap isn't my concern. The one guy who knows something about this could end the "discussion"

GodEmperorDune

23:45

@Mazura that is literally a strawman

Mazura

It's called throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

user15026

Not in this case.

Frank

I don't think there's a baby in that bathwater.

Mazura

That's the problem. You wouldn't even let them bathe.

user15026

@Mazura Sometimes, the baby doesn't need a bath!

user15026

23:47

(yes I know this is a silly continuation but it's a silly metaphor anyhow)

Mazura

And I'm the strawman here? ;p

Unionhawk

This is officially a silly discussion

user15026

puts on their silly hat and does a silly walk because it's almost going home time anyhow

Unionhawk

Your current argument is just "maybe the question is good"

Mazura

My argument is that maybe someone has the answer to the question. Who are we to say that it's out of the realm of possibility?

GodEmperorDune

23:49

@Mazura the reason it's closed is because it's not a good fit for arqade

Mazura

Ah ha.

Frank

All I'm saying is that if it gets reopened, I'm voting to close it again. Too broad, game identification, whatever. Close vote ahoy!

Mazura

So the close reason is BS window dressing. OK then.

user15026

@Mazura no?

GodEmperorDune

whether some human exists that could potentially answer it is irrelevant

Unionhawk

23:50

Answerability is a poor metric for everything ever

GodEmperorDune

@Mazura the close reason goes into specific details for why it doesn't fit

Unionhawk

So "maybe it can be answered" is not an argument for reopening

user15026

It's not a good fit here, if we reopen it because you don't like the current reason, it's going to get closed for another reason more than likely because at the core, questions shouldn't be judged on pure answerability

Mazura

Maybe it can't be answered isn't either

GodEmperorDune

if you feel strongly about this @Mazura, please make a meta post about it

user15026

23:50

(@Unionhawk is reading my mind, it's great)

Unionhawk

(nor is "this cannot be answered" a good argument for closure on its own)

Mazura

Nor is we don't like it

user15026

@Mazura we aren't just being playground meanies, here. We're trying to clarify why we judge things the way we do and why we use our close reasons the way we do and how this ended up as it did.

user15026

And why it isn't a good fit.

GodEmperorDune

unrelated question, what is the proper thing to do on a late answer that duplicates an earlier answer?

Dragonrage

23:52

@GodEmperorDune does it add anything new?

user15026

@GodEmperorDune like plagiarized dupes or just says the same thing?

Frank

@Unionhawk On the surface, I want to kneejerk disagree with that. But then I think about it some more, and, yeah, none of our close reasons are for, "This can't be answered."

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage some rambling about how cool it is that the poster is at max level

@Ash says same thing

user15026

In general, vote on it on its own merits if it doesn't smell like a copypasta

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune link

GodEmperorDune

23:53

0

Q: How do you get wheelspins in Forza Horizon 3?

I noticed that you can get wheelspins, the game's equivalent of a gacha roll, every time you level up. I also noticed that you can get it at the end of a race. But what happens when you reach max level? What are the ways to get wheelspins?

forza-horizon-3

0

A: How do you get wheelspins in Forza Horizon 3?

I am level 1000 or platinum as they say. The way it works is you need 93,585,000 exact XP to make level 1000 and after that you get a wheel spin every $200,000 XP. You don't get any extra money however ...my lifetime earnings when I made level 1000 was 580 million. I have every car in the game in...

Dragonrage

6

A: Duplicate answers and you

Clarification going forward: I classify reorganizing information into a more readable format as something new. I would also classify an overall answer, pulling together information from all other answers, as something new. Both of those show effort. I classify adding anything, content, organiz...

user15026

Id just downvote it and move on, myself

Frank

In other news:

My apologies - I guess I should have read the rules! Kudos to the community, though, for not being rude about my rudeness. I shall be more compliant in the future :). — mdip 21 hours ago

I was actually flabbergasted when I got that response.

user15026

@Frank aww heck yes

user15026

That's awesome. Hopefully they stick around!

GodEmperorDune

23:55

i almost want to give OP a badge for being a reasonable person

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune it doesnt really seem to answer the question

user15026

@GodEmperorDune I kinda want to be like "do you like cookies because I wanna give you cookies"

Unionhawk

@Frank on its own is the operative phrase yes

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage it answers "you get wheelspins every $200,000 XP"

Wipqozn

That reminds me of this:

GodEmperorDune

23:56

but the accepted answer has that and other ways to get wheelspins

Wipqozn

Oct 22 '13 at 19:55, by Wipqozn

wait, that's it? No huge fight? You guys are just going to agree to respect each others opinion and move on?

Oct 22 '13 at 19:55, by Wipqozn

This is ridiculous. I demand internet bloodshed.

user15026

@Wipqozn no. bad turtle.

user15026

blood is hard to get out of the carpets

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune thats like an afterthought to the whole answer though

user15026

I don't want to be responsible for that cleaning bill

GodEmperorDune

23:57

@Dragonrage its really poor quality, i agree

Frank

@Ash Even harder to get out of turtleshell!

Dragonrage

@Ash i feel like replacing the carpet would be easier

sounds like a great question to ask over at domestic chores

user15026

@Dragonrage and that's not cheap either! gotta move all the furniture and rip up the old and get the new installed and I just don't think I am made for that kind of headache

Dragonrage

how do i get bloodstains out of my carpet?

because reasons

GodEmperorDune

@Frank @Wipqozn will just jump in the sea to clean it

Frank

23:59

@Ash This is step one when I take possession of my place.

Memor-X

@Dragonrage tomato sauce

Dragonrage

salt water is pretty good for cleaning things

@Memor-X cold water is good for tomato stains

Wipqozn

@Ash REMEMBER THISD

Nov 14 '12 at 23:17, by Wipqozn

GodEmperorDune

Wipqozn

Man what a terrible picture of me

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