The Bridge

Ktash

21:00

@Oak Yeah, that's how it looks like it might end up at the moment...

Raven Dreamer

Hello from my vita

Oak

@RavenDreamer congrats for your prize!

Ronan Forman

We talking about ITG again?

Oak

@RonanForman Nope

Ben Brocka

@RavenDreamer you got a vita? Add me if you use PSN, I'm "Barakku"

wait...I think I added you before

Ktash

21:01

@RonanForman ... No, of course not <.<

Oak

@RonanForman it's something completely unrelated and not in the least controversial :)

Raven Dreamer

this is Hard to chat from

Ronan Forman

I've changed my stance by the way.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@RavenDreamer I'm... sorry?

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tiddy

You bought one?

Ben Brocka

21:02

@RavenDreamer unsurprising. It's hard to chat on the ipad too

Impressed the vita works with all the JS honestly

Raven Dreamer

no. won one

i did manage to close a dupe from this!

Dave McClelland

@agent86 Sorry, I wondered away from my desk. That looks much better

tiddy

Oh yeah?

Ronan Forman

I've reallised no matter how much the help people, they don't fit our site, you're supposed to up vote answers that are correct, but only the OP knows that, so they shouldn't be able to get more than one vote. But they do, so clearly they don't work.

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Raven Dreamer

from SE

tiddy

21:04

I didn't know the prizes stacked.

Raven Dreamer

this is from last contest, hahA

tiddy

Ah ha. Forgot I was talking to a machine ;)

Lazers

0

Q: What weapon combinations keep my biotic cooldowns at 200%?

I'm heavily oriented toward biotic usage, so my current loadout consists of only my pistol and SMG. There are some occurrences, though, where I wish I had my sniper rifle or shotgun with me. Factoring in all the available weight reduction mods and all classes' weight capacities, what combinatio...

mass-effect-3

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Q: How powerful is Aria T'Loak?

We know that she ruled Omega, and is probably an extremely powerful biotic, but in ME3 it was shown that even the Asari councilor was at her beck and call despite having lost her seat of power. Was it ever explained in any of the mini comics how she came to have so much influence or power?

mass-effect-3

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Q: Is it wise to trust Aria T'Loak?

I encountered Aria in the bar on the Citadel, and she offered to lend her influence over the criminal/mercenary gangs if I was willing to solve a few problems for each gang or its leader. I'm playing a full Paragon run though, so I'm trying not to be overtly evil. Is it wise to trust Aria? S...

mass-effect-3

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Q: Does Mass Effect 3 feature a violence or language filter option?

From what I've heard and seen, there is a decent amount of violence and language in this game. I'm referring to things like headshots bursting in a spray of alien blood and some off-color words uttered casually in dialog. Is there an option to tone down these occurrences for those who do not wis...

mass-effect-3

1

Q: Where did the Reapers come from?

Where did the Reapers come from, they are a species of machine, so how did they come to be? Were they built, or like the transformers, who just "grow"?

mass-effect-3

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Q: A tracking tool to help with your Mass Effect 3 missions

I put this together from bits and pieces of other tools that I've built in the past: http://withoutthesarcasm.com/stackapps/ Click on "ME3Mission" to load the tool. You'll be prompted by Stack Exchange for access to some account information. There's details about what that means and what data...

discussion mass-effect-3

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Q: how to get the good ending in Mass Effect 3

I've started playing Mass effect 3's multiplayer, so as to pass the time until the summer, because I can focus more on the story mode in the summer when I don't have college classes to go to. But ever since I picked up my N7 edition of Mass effect 3, I've heard all of these rumors about needing w...

mass-effect-3

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Q: Who are the potty-mouths and sleazes?

Sometimes I don't want to go through the game side-by-side with characters that swear up a storm. Hypothetical young children are sensitive and easily influenced. I don't want my li'l Jimmy to curse those %@#$!%$ Reapers in front of gran-mama! Also, I may not want to be seduced by any ogling ali...

mass-effect-3

Ktash

@RonanForman I don't agree with that. I think you can upvote answer that you think are right or show good research. Just like SO questions asking what is wrong with this persons code

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@Lazers Holy Crap... That's a lot of questions

Ronan Forman

You can know what's wrong with someone elses code, you can't see people's memories.

Ktash

21:06

Only the OP knows what fixed the problem, but people can show what they think is wrong and get to a "good" answer

GnomeSlice

Wow, I like Desura already.

Oak

@GnomeSlice what's it like? Steamy?

Ben Brocka

@RonanForman I can. And your keys are in your front pocket, stop looking for them.

Raven Dreamer

that makes it like a game rec, thouvh, ktash

GnomeSlice

@Oak Yes and no. It appears to actually work, for one.

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:07

@Lazers Really Lazers? Really?

Ktash

@RavenDreamer See, but Game-rec's don't have a right answer. They have an answer that the person choose and goes with, but there is no right or wrong

agent86

@Lazers is this a dupe? It seems like it kinda is. lots of ending questions already.

Ben Brocka

we've had at least 3 questions that resulted in a list of endings

Raven Dreamer

thats exactly the problem.p, ktash

Ktash

@RonanForman You can know what might be wrong with people's code, but sometime a bug lies elsewhere and that is actually the answer they are searching for. But you can make guesses based on the given information

Oak

21:09

@LessPop_MoreFizz Hmm. Imagined it was phrased as "I don't like to hear too many swear-words while I'm playing. Which companions should I avoid?"

Grace Note

@Ktash I think his point is that if we're valuing answers that are flat out wrong (by not prescribing to the ritual that is the mind of the author), then what you get is essentially a catalog of games.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Oak Not really a valid question at that point.

@Oak Most of the off color dialog doesn't come from companions.

Oak

@LessPop_MoreFizz why?

@LessPop_MoreFizz don't know about it, haven't played a minute of ME3

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Oak It's just an absurdly big and pointless question. As the comment notes... sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

Oak

Just saying, besides the colorful language, I don't think the core question is that ridiculous

GnomeSlice

21:10

Ben Brocka

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A: Can you get the good endings if you play a purely renegade Shepard?

Yes. Here is a list of largely spoiler free ending info with requirements listed, you have to click to expand the spoiler for each ending. Morality doesn't affect whether you can get the "best" ending, though whether or not you saved the Collector base in ME2 forces your hand for certain ending ...

GnomeSlice

Hah!

Ktash

@GraceNote And you can end up with a catalog of issues with a given snippet of code as well. Or descriptions of what might cause an error.

Ben Brocka

This answers that question completely doesn't it? I think there's even a more general endings Q too

Ktash

@RavenDreamer I'm not sure I know what you mean by this...

Raven Dreamer

21:11

gamerecs have no right answer, so they are off topic. itg have one answer, but only one person knows it, so it gets treated like a gamerec, with popular games rising to the tpo regardless of actualcorrect ness

forgive me, hard to type fast on this

Ktash

@RavenDreamer I think that is the issue with the voting on ITGs, not on the questions. If the answer is well researched and supported, I think it should get an upvote, otherwise it should not

Ullallulloo

@RavenDreamer Because people do it wrong, isn't a bad thing with the questions...

Ronan Forman

Could I post an ITG, but for a game I haven't played, but instead of saying I would like a game like this (which is game-Rec) say it was a game like this? Surely that allows me to get game-Rec through as a ITG?

Ktash

@RavenDreamer Haha, no worries

Oak

@RavenDreamer I don't remember too many ITGs in which popular games gravitated up

Ullallulloo

21:13

@RonanForman If you could manage to get it specific enough somehow.

Which you couldn't, really.

Ktash

@RonanForman Cheatcodes for gaming!! ;)

Oak

@RonanForman as I said before, I don't think it will work. People usually mention the small things they remember in ITGs, e.g. "yellow shirt". Game-recs are more about gameplay and the such

Ronan Forman

People still guess it it's not specific.

Wipqozn

@Ktash So if I know a game which fits the askers criteria without needing to research it, and it turns out to be the correct game, I shouldn't get up votes?

Ktash

@RonanForman That's why I think we would need to strictly enforce the guidelines

Ullallulloo

21:14

@Oak ^this, you really should be able to describe at least the main character in some amount of detail.

Ktash

@Wipqozn If you can say why you think it fits, and maybe a screenshot, I think you should get upvotes

But upvotes shouldn't be the point of answers, it should be helping the OP

at least that's my opinion

Wipqozn

@Ktash I agree, but the up vote system exists for a reasons. One of the issues with ITG is that that system doesn't work with ITG.

We need to come up with special rules for why you up vote something.

Raven Dreamer

the solution to “people dont vote correctly on itgs” isnt, well, they zhould l2vote. itgs have been around since the beginning. people still still arent vofing correctly on them. that indicates a systemic problem.

Ullallulloo

@Wipqozn If it fits the OP's description and you can show that some.

Wipqozn

@Ullallulloo I think you missed the end of your sentence.

Grace Note

21:17

@RavenDreamer Is that some kind of write-to-type? Or are you just really bad at aiming on your text input interface?

Ullallulloo

@Wipqozn No, it was meant as a dependent clause to answer your question.

Oak

@RavenDreamer it feels bad arguing with you like this, it's like trading punches with a cripple. Doesn't it have a touch screen?

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Ktash

@Ullallulloo This. If you can show or discuss how or why you think it fits, than I think you should get the upvotes

Wipqozn

@Ullallulloo Some = research?

Raven Dreamer

the character input covers the textbox it writes to, so i cant see what i wrote until i send it.

Ktash

21:19

@Wipqozn "If it fits the OP's description and you can show that it fits" <- alternate wording

LessPop_MoreFizz

@RavenDreamer I'm glad Sony is still taking great leaps forward in fucntional UI design.

Ullallulloo

@Wipqozn If you can show that it fits some. A little.

Ben Brocka

Woohoo, 15/15 shares

Wipqozn

@Ktash But the answer also needs to be correct.

Raven Dreamer

chat.stackexchange isn't mobile friendly

Wipqozn

21:21

That's the problem. Someone could write a super detailed and researched answer to a question, but if it is wrong, it should still be down voted and not receive any up votes.

Raven Dreamer

someone star that for me

badp

@Ktash (Unless they're desktop apps, then they will)

Raven Dreamer

;)

Ktash

@Wipqozn The upvoter has to agree that the answer is likely correct. Just like in SO when discussing wrong bits of code. I know I have written "this is what is wrong" gotten upvotes and been wrong.

Ben Brocka

@RavenDreamer hah. Noooo it is not. I'm impressed they have a mobile site at all

Ktash

21:22

@badp I thought it was just a Windows 8 across-the-board feature? That's how it sounded anyway

Ben Brocka

the "keep at bottom of the page" thing is just mean

badp

@Ktash I might have been too obscure in the wording there

Oak

@LessPopMoreFizz I like the fact you want to give the policy a chance before we vote on it. But to be honest I really don't want to draw this decision further. Yes, it makes sense to "try before you buy". But I don't think what will happen with the proposed criteria is so hard to imagine. Maybe.

badp

There, fixed.

Oak

Just sayin'

Ktash

21:23

@badp Well, Windows 8 is overall seeming to cripple the desktop because mobile is the new trend, so I don't think I will be buying it anyway

Ullallulloo

@RavenDreamer http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/35/the-bridge?mobile=true

Ben Brocka

@Ullallulloo it should default to that

Grace Note

Only if a correct mobile agent is detected

LessPop_MoreFizz

@RavenDreamer There's actually a super nice mobile UI

Ben Brocka

@LessPop_MoreFizz it's a pain in the butt if you try to scroll up

Grace Note

21:24

I don't actually know what the Vita is treated as, though, so I wouldn't know if it would default or not.

Ktash

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Q: some none IE browsers are showing true for IE6 Browser detection

So I'm running jQuery 1.3.2 (yep it's old and right now I can't upgrade). Problem is I'm trying to drop IE6 support for our internal site and upgrade the browser. I have this check if($.browser.msie && $.browser.version=="6.0") { // do something... } But during testing (some) Fire...

javascript jquery internet-explorer-6 browser-detection

Raven Dreamer

Thanks, ulullulul

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BenBrocka Turn off the always scroll down option, dummy.

Ktash

@Wipqozn That is a question I got a fair bit of upvotes for because I had a good answer, but it was wrong

Dave McClelland

@RavenDreamer lololol

Ben Brocka

21:24

the "stay at the bottom" thing is broke compared to the desktop thing

Grace Note

I think you got a couple too many us there, kid.

Ben Brocka

It shouldn't be on by default

@GraceNote I think he's performing a war cry

Or a mating call

Raven Dreamer

troblem

Grace Note

@BenBrocka Like LOGALOGALOGALOGALOG! ?

Ullallulloo

@Wipqozn That's the main question. Whether or not we can get the criteria specific enough that people can vote correct answers within reasonable certainty.

@BenBrocka That's where I got my name actually. Only one person ever has recognized it.

Wipqozn

21:26

@Ktash Yes, that's a problem, but what I'm saying is that your proposed system for voting on ITG means that we should always vote like that on ITG.

Raven Dreamer

help being crushed by technology

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Ktash

@Wipqozn I think we always vote like that system wide. We vote on what we think it the right answer. But @Ullallulloo has it right. The criteria is what we're trying to get specific enough to be able to vote with reasonable certainty

Ben Brocka

@Ktash actually it's also often the quality of the answer not just the correctness/applicability

Oak

@RavenDreamer first of all, relax. Then shut down the device, carefully pry it open with your trusty leatherman, locate the CPU, find the nearest steelworks, then toss the CPU inside some random molten metal vat there.

Ktash

@BenBrocka Also true. Though sometimes this leads to quirks, so I think we need to be careful doing that. For example, the highest voted answer here is wrong, but is well researched

agent86

21:29

@Oak the problem with that is, it'll be back.

Ktash

and the right answer is buried a little bit

Ben Brocka

@Ktash pretty pictures also strongly attract upvotes

Ktash

@BenBrocka heh, it's true

Ben Brocka

man, I need to find some way to get some screenshots in ME3 posts...

Oak

@agent86 ooo I just imaged a handheld made of cool liquid metal thingie that can change shape, create a physical keyboard, make the display larger, etc.

Will solve Raven's problems

Ben Brocka

21:30

@RavenDreamer RIP

Ronan Forman

Okay, new plan, I post a question for a not that popular game that I know and see which answer gets the most vote.

Dave McClelland

@BenBrocka I call dibs on his TV

Ronan Forman

It needs to be so specific it couldn't be anything else.

Lazers

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Q: Do I earn enough skill points to unlock everything?

I'd like to know if I should expect enough skill points to unlock most of the skills, or if I;m only going to get enough to specialise to the end of a few skill paths. So, how many skill points are available in total at max level? And, how many would I need to unlock everything available to Comm...

mass-effect-3

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Q: Can't you all just get along?

I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but whenever someone flags something in The Bridge, that flag is shown to all moderators and all 10k users across the network. 9 times out of 10 there is nothing offensive about what is flagged. Flagging isn't meant to be used when you disagree with something...

discussion chat

Ktash

@Lazers lol

Grace Note

21:33

@Lazers And so Server Fault is lashing out at us for our flagging rates.

Jimmy

yeah, I'm hardly ever here but it seems like this is where all the flags come from

Ullallulloo

@Jimmy Because we have a...special user.

Grace Note

Not just one user says the kind of stuff that gets flagged.

Ronan Forman

@Ullallulloo We don't, people just think he is.

Ullallulloo

@RonanForman I was joking. :P

Ben Brocka

21:35

The problem isn't just the posters but also the flaggers

Ronan Forman

@Ulla Don't, people will believe you.

Ben Brocka

@Lazers I'm glad he posted that, I was thinking of raising the issue myself

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GraceNote No, but just one user gets consistently flagged for it.

That's the point.

@GraceNote The solution is less flags, not more.

Dave McClelland

Let's all flag @Lazers!

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Ullallulloo

@DaveMcClelland Not the worst idea.

Darn ME3 spam.

Ben Brocka

21:39

@DaveMcClelland What if we get him suspended and he has to wait an hour to post new questions?

Ktash

@Lazers Honestly, this should be a good support for escalating chat flags

Ben Brocka

It would post like eleven billion questions

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka Lazers spits in the face of your flags!

Dave McClelland

@BenBrocka Then @Lazers would get banned for chat spam, I'd assume

Arda Xi

I'm fairly sure negative users are exempt from rate limiting. Flags, I wouldn't know.

Dave McClelland

21:42

@ArdaXi Then I'll amend my comment from a minute ago

Let's all flag @Lazers! For Science!

Ben Brocka

Actually I think I flagged an annoying feed thinking it was a spam bot a long time ago

StrixVaria

I just served my first ever suspension for something completely non-flag-worthy.

Oak

@DaveMcClelland please don't. It will spam everyone in chat, needlessly

Tim Stone

(In seriousness, Feeds and its mutant offspring can't be flag-banned, though you can flag their posts)

StrixVaria

I might have said and immediately deleted a few flag-worthy things just before that, though.

Ben Brocka

21:43

...which is kinda true, but they're officially sanctioned spam-bots

Dave McClelland

@Oak I wasn't actually going to, but I am tempted to experiment

GnomeSlice

Apparently Unity3D is giving out free licenses until April 8th.

Ben Brocka

@Oak wait, really?

Arda Xi

@BenBrocka That's what flags do.

Ullallulloo

@BenBrocka That's why a ServerFault dude's up in our meta.

TylerShads

21:47

@BenBrocka That's how I got here...but I like you guys so I stayed!

Ullallulloo

Chat flags are shown to all network-wide 10k's.

Ben Brocka

Nvm, I was thinking of something else. I know how the mod notices work

TylerShads

@Ullallulloo All 10ks and all Blues (mods)

Jimmy

You guys are like the house on the block that is always making too much noise at night and the police have to come over to break up the party

Ben Brocka

@Jimmy this is why us mods should get tear gas

For Justice

Arda Xi

21:48

@Jimmy Well, hey, at least it makes us popular. Any publicity is good publicity.

GnomeSlice

Desura has such a sweet games list.

Ben Brocka

SE has a budget for teargas, right?

GnomeSlice

All kinds of indies you never see on Steam.

TylerShads

@ArdaXi Isn't that the 4chan model of thinking?

Ullallulloo

@BenBrocka We usually use replica reaper guns, it seems.

Jimmy

21:50

@TylerShads shhhhh don't say that name or you'll wake the Nameless Ones

Grace Note

@ArdaXi Well, flags or otherwise, Lazers is definitely immune to chat suspension, I've discovered.

Ullallulloo

or vitas; they apparently are effective

TylerShads

@Jimmy This isn't Azeroth

@GraceNote But you can kill it

Grace Note

Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

Arda Xi

@TylerShads Not sure if insult...

@GraceNote Nepotism.

GnomeSlice

21:51

> Based on the graphics and the fact that this is rogue-esque if not rogue-like i was ready to love it. Then I was fighting a mole and the game informed me that my trousers were destroyed. It was a fabulously comic moment (at least that first time) but I prefer rogue-likes where my equipment doesn't fall to pieces 5 minutes' later.

StrixVaria

I think there should be a reputation requirement to be allowed to vote on big site issues like ITG.

People who aren't invested in the site are going to choose based on what benefits them, not what benefits the site.

Grace Note

@ArdaXi I had to look that up.

Arda Xi

Really? Oh... right... you don't play Portal.

Grace Note

I think the accurate term would've been "haven't".

With an appropriate tense change

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Nice catch.

TylerShads

21:54

@StrixVaria I'm interested to see how this pans out for the bigger sites like here and lit, as about 20% of movies (in beta) is identify this movie/tv series

Grace Note

@ArdaXi Thank you

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Still, no. Haven't played means you haven't in the past. Don't play means you haven't and still don't.

With a strong indication you won't in the future.

StrixVaria

I'm not talking only about ITG, but I mean the general process for deciding things that are for the good of the site should prohibit users who don't care about the good of the site.

Tim Stone

@GraceNote Pssh, I said that entire minutes ago!

StrixVaria

Maybe using a 3rd party app or something to check on your reputation before you vote hint @agent86

Tim Stone

21:55

Also, it's Friday and I'd very much like to go home now...argh.

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria What should the limit be?

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice That I can't say definitively yet. Maybe around 300 rep?

What's the limit for voting for moderators?

Ben Brocka

150

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka That seems really low :(

Ben Brocka

Mod votes are supposed to be by the community, not the in-crowd

Ronan Forman

21:57

@Strix It's just to stop temp accounts.

Ben Brocka

granted, that does bring some voters who have no idea who these nominated people are, but that doesn't seem to be a huge problem

user30

@Ronan How did you do yesterday?

StrixVaria

On another note, I'm surprised there are no downvotes on either answer yet.

Oak

@StrixVaria not possible with 3rd-party tools, since voting is anonymous

Grace Note

@ArdaXi I don't think that "don't" necessarily implies that the situation has always been the case.

Oak

21:58

@StrixVaria yea, people are surprisingly well-behaved!

StrixVaria

@Oak Voting could still be mostly anonymous.

Ronan Forman

@Thomas 5 As. You?

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Oh, yeah, you're right.

StrixVaria

Only the owner of the app would have access to the voters.

I'm not saying that's a perfect solution.

Oak

So, I made this previously:

StrixVaria

21:59

I just think there should be some rep threshold to be able to vote on really big issues.

I don't know how to implement it.

Oak

I have another one now:

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn red.planetarena.org

Game on! perhaps?

StrixVaria

Anyway, time to head home from work.

Later everybody!

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