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Fluttershy
Fluttershy
11:03 PM
@Frank Maybe he thought it was a Sudowoodo?
 
user15026
MS must have put out a pile of updates today - I have been getting so many calls that are people whose connections are saturated by computers downloading updates.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
wtf
 
user15026
I don't really see that as a terrible thing, to be honest. Like yeah, it's not murder or whatever, but if that's what it takes to make men stop being gross and inappropriate to ladies who are just trying to walk home or whatever...I can't say I mind
 
arda
arda
@Ash redstone?
 
user15026
Mind you it doesn't (as far as I've read) mention the penalties, but you know what? If they fit the crime and aren't too harsh, I say sure.
 
user15026
11:08 PM
@arda Hm?
 
Dragonrage
Dragonrage
apparently some guy got hit by a car because he walked out into the street while playing Pokémon Go, and now wants to sue Niantic, Inc for his own incompetence.
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
other than the catcalling I suspect most of those things were already illegal... they're just now additionally classified as 'hate crimes'
 
arda
arda
Windows Redstone/anniversary update. Next big update scheduled for late june/early august
 
user15026
@Dragonrage I was waiting for someone to sue them for things like that.
 
arda
arda
just checked and the update is probably not that
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
11:09 PM
> It means that a woman can now report any unwanted interaction with a man to the police and expect to have it treated as a crime.
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
@Ash Yesterday. Microsoft updates on the second Tuesday of the month.
 
Dragonrage
Dragonrage
if the lawsuit goes through, i have no hope left for humanity.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Boss: You've got a criminal record, for hate crime...? Man: Yes, I said 'cheer up, love, it might never happen' at a bus stop once in 2016
Tweeted by MartinDaubney on July 13, 2016 at 12:27 PM
 
user15026
@Powerlord Ah, okay! That's really good info to have, actually. I wasn't sure if it was regular scheduled stuff ro not
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
> This doesn’t necessarily mean that a criminal offence has been committed, but means we will carry out risk assessments and offer support as we would to any victim of a hate crime.”
 
user15026
11:10 PM
@GnomeSlice That's...not...no.
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
I'm surprised you work in IT and haven't heard the term "Microsoft Patch Tuesday."
 
arda
arda
@Ash yep, patch tuesdays are a thing
 
user15026
@Powerlord I knew update tuesday was a thing, I just didn't know it was a particular tuesday
 
Lazers 2.0
Lazers 2.0
0
Q: Do ghost type Pokémon appear only at night?

EllesedilI've heard it mention in various answers that ghost type Pokémon appear at night. Is this true?

pokemon-go
0
Q: Pokestop name change

Raffi MekhThere is a Pokestop located at my business, however it is listed under the business that was previously located here. How would I go about fixing that?

pokemon-go
 
user15026
So this makes it much clearer
 
arda
arda
11:11 PM
@Lazers2.0 who cares
 
user15026
@arda I can see, as a business owner, that mattering
 
user15026
In a weird way, it's like an advertisement, no?
 
arda
arda
well yeah
oooh I have a great idea.
 
user15026
So the answer is "the owner of the current business cares because it's not showing his business" and if it brings people to his location, he will want it to be correct in hopes that the pokestop will draw customers
 
arda
arda
Get a place that is a pokestop, turn it into a cafe, make buying something mandatory to stay inside and spam lures every day
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
11:13 PM
Ingress had a feature to submit updates to portals but I don't see anything like that in POGO
 
arda
arda
people will come, stay and buy stuff because of pokestop and lure
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
@arda the mcdonalds by my work is doing that.
 
arda
arda
:P
 
user15026
@arda People are doing this.
 
Ellesedil
Ellesedil
Yeah, I've seen some headlines of restaurant/cafe owners just buying lures for their business to draw players in.
 
arda
arda
11:14 PM
that is actually a good advertisement, and is pretty cheap. And it is a win/win
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
ugh
I need to go play some overwatch
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@GnomeSlice dogs are better people than people.
 
Dragonrage
Dragonrage
@arda ~2$/h
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
@GnomeSlice Didn't know you played Overwatch
 
arda
arda
@Dragonrage less if you buy bulk
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
11:16 PM
@Powerlord Obviously you don't come here very often any more
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
I thought about saying "non-Indie games" but...
 
arda
arda
ffs
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@GnomeSlice who is this @Powerlord you speak of?
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice Honestly, I'd be okay with some of the verbal grossness men have spewed in my direction being dealt with. Same with the unwanted physical approaches.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
0
A: How do I find Pokémon?

maxtry this, it doesnt cover all areas, but i believe they are building it www.allpokestops.com

um...
 
arda
arda
11:17 PM
it is 2am and some guy is playing songs on his car on full sound
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
this feels like borderline spam?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
So men can't talk to women any more? Because if the woman doesn't like it you are guilty of a hate crime?
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Ash i've heard things have gotten worse with trump being in the news often
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
How about no
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice That's not what this is saying at all.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
11:17 PM
A guy cut off my bus the other day and gave the driver the finger
is that a hate crime
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@GnomeSlice there is a difference between a polite conversation or saying "hi" and verbal harassment
 
arda
arda
@Ash I totally agree that verbal and other gross moves by men against women is a thing, and it needs to stop, but this law is overkill. Can (and will) be easily abused.
 
user15026
@GodEmperorDune Not American, so I can't tell you for sure.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
because that's worse than this
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
is the driver a minority or a woman?
Or non-Christian or non-hetero? Or old?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
11:18 PM
Guy at the bus stop like a month ago tried to start a conversation about how he's trying to get into stand up comedy
is that a hate crime
 
user15026
@arda I don't think it is. Notice it makes no mention of what the repercussions are or what the actual legal wording of the law is, etc. Yes, it's subjective. Yes, okay, theoretically someone could abuse it.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@GnomeSlice It's only a hate crime if it affects "protected" classes that aren't "privileged"
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
That's fuct
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
Hate crimes can only happen to those less fortunate than those committing the crime.
 
user15026
But the thing is, male-identified people can be AWFUL to female-identified people and this law is not PERFECT but for the love of all that is holy and tiny fluffy kittens, I am hella glad that some place, somewhere, is actually trying to do a thing to make female-identified persons feel safer.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
11:20 PM
as with most justice system things, it doesn't feed into a computer, it goes to a human police officer and eventual a human judge to decide if its valid
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Ash I bet you the men feel a lot less safe knowing they may be put in prison for saying the wrong thing to somebody now
 
user15026
And I know that I can't explain clearly how often it happens or how it feels or any of that. And it's not black and white. But it just sucks
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@Ash Female-identified people can also be absolutely horrible to male-identified people.
 
user15026
sigh
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Ash i got your back on this
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:21 PM
I'm sorry, but awfulness isn't restricted in one way.
Any person can be awful to any other person.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
with all my straight cis white male privileges, to boot
 
user15026
@KazWolfe I never said it was but I am so TIRED of the "Not All X" argument.
 
arda
arda
@Ash agreed, but I also have to agree with kaz and gnome
 
Lazers 2.0
Lazers 2.0
0
Q: In Pokemon Go, which are more rare: Stardust or Eggs?

nhouser9Assume my goal is to have one Pokemon at max strength, as opposed to multiple Pokemon that are only average strength. Also assume that I will not be spending real money. Which resource will become the limiting factor in my Pokemon's growth? Stardust or Eggs? In other words, which will I run out...

pokemon-go
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
Whether that's about their gender, race, or any other thing is immaterial. People should just NOT BE AWFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
11:22 PM
@KazWolfe i agree, but awful is a very subjective term
i don't want police out trying to enforce SE's be nice policy
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Just to be safe I guess I will never talk to another woman
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
One thing that seems really odd to me about that article is this quote: "A hate crime is simply any incident, which may or may not be deemed as a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hatred." Using "hate crime" to describe/record non-criminal activities seems disproportionate to me.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
also includes phones apparently
so if the girl I message on, say, tinder doesn't like my line, guess that's a hate crime
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
@murgatroid99 their point is, I think, that they will investigate them as crimes, but may decide that no crime was committed.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@GnomeSlice you are being hyperbolic
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:23 PM
He really is.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
It's not too much of a stretch
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@KutuluMike But it also says "If the victim feels that this has happened because they are a woman then we will record it as a hate crime. This doesn’t necessarily mean that a criminal offence has been committed..."
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
it's such a stretch I think I just pulled my chat muscle.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
> It also includes unwanted sexual advances, uninvited physical or verbal contact and using mobile phone to send unwanted messages.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
how the hell is unwanted messages a hate crime?!
 
arda
arda
11:24 PM
It really is a good move on fixing the current problems, but it creates bigger problems on the other side.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
Annoying, sure. Spam, sure. Hate crime, how the hell?!
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
@murgatroid99 sure, but that's how police always work. you can go in and file a complaint about anyone for anything and they'll record it.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@GnomeSlice harassment over phone is not the same thing as a pick up line through tinder
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
@murgatroid99 but they may investigate and decide it's nothing.
but they keep it on file in case either the accused or the accuser develops a pattern
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@KutuluMike And if the police do nothing, they risk being labeled as ineffective and accomplices to crime.
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
11:25 PM
police do nothing more often than not.
most of their investigations end up with no charges being filed. they might yell at someone.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
The entire "privilege" concept is so useless and is just made to shame others for being different.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe WHAT
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
Over things they can't control, no less.
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
it's really creepy watching my pokedude walk around while I'm sitting still at my desk.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@KutuluMike That's fair. Maybe I was just misinterpreting their wording, but it kind of reads like "If you do this, it will go on your permanent record as having committed a hate crime", and with the connotations of "hate crime", that seemed disproportionate.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:27 PM
Just to be really evil and get flagged as offensive.
Just because I'm white shouldn't mean I should be getting flack for being "privileged". I have no control over my skin color, and I know plenty of Caucasians that have screwed up their lives.
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
@murgatroid99 well, you're probably right that having reports of "hate crimes" on file is probably going to attach a much bigger stigma than, say, reports of violating local zoning laws or whatever.
any law can be abused.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe no one is saying you should be punished for being white
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@GodEmperorDune Go on Tumblr.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
what the privilege concept is about is preventing people from being punished for NOT being white
 
KutuluMike
KutuluMike
it's entirely possible that some woman might decide to harass an ex by filing baseless complaints. it's up to the police to discourage that behavior as well.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
11:30 PM
@KazWolfe there is more to life than tumblr
i am glad that i don't have any problems catching a cab
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
one more to get flagged: Diversity shouldn't be something we aim for. Diversity should be a side effect of choosing the right people for the job and giving everyone an equal shot.
2
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@KazWolfe Yes. We should strive for equal opportunity and not equal outcome
 
arda
arda
@KazWolfe THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS SO MUCH THIS
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
i am glad that i can walk up to a police officer and they will treat me respectfully and won't put their hands on their gun just because i look a certian way
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@KazWolfe What you're talking about is the most radical extremists of movements like that. That sort of attitude is not common or representative
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
11:31 PM
@KazWolfe how can you give people an equal shot when they are given unequal opportunity?
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@GodEmperorDune See. That needs to be fixed.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe how do you propose to fix it?
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
I have as much a right to get a Master's degree as ANYONE else.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe there is no such thing as a "right" to a master's degree
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@KutuluMike Yeah, this was my point. I don't think there's a problem with investigating those actions, and increasing punishment, but I think the stigma of "hate crime" is disproportionate for most of them.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:33 PM
@GodEmperorDune Simple. People see others for their skills, not their bodies and ideologies.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe that is super vague
 
user15026
@KazWolfe And how do you propose even making that begin to happen?
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
and how do you build a policy around that?
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@Ash If someone were to figure that out, we would have a guaranteed Nobel Prize winner for the next hundred or so years
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@KazWolfe It's really not that simple. People have unconscious biases that hinders their ability to judge others based only on relevant characteristics. And people have different opportunities for developing skills that compounds throughout life.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
11:35 PM
@murgatroid99 much more eloquent than what i was thinking
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@GodEmperorDune I recently had to retake unconscious bias training at work, so it's fresh in my mind
 
user15026
@KazWolfe That's....kinda the point though - you're speaking of a very idyllic and unrealistic view of humans - it would be damn skippy if we all viewed each other that way but we really, really don't
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
I'm not saying there isn't a problem -- there obviously a problem, but no good solution.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@murgatroid99 the fact that your employer offers unconscious bias training is a great thing
 
user15026
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, though
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:37 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
user15026
@murgatroid99 I like that unconscious bias training is a thing.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Ash and here i was learning it on my own like a sucker
 
user15026
@KazWolfe Now I am confused because you literally are seeing this attempt to try to fix this issue and telling me it's not good, but if I say we need to try a thing, you're all for it
 
user15026
So how do we get there if we don't try stuff like this? Someone has to do something and I am damn grateful that somewhere, someone is trying to make stuff less shitty
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Yeah. This is part of why I still really like Google, now that I see how the sausage is made (so to speak). I really feel like they actually care about people, and about the right issues.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:38 PM
The problem is this tilts the bias against someone else.
 
user15026
@KazWolfe No.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
We can't shift around bias, it needs to be removed.
@GnomeSlice
 
user15026
@murgatroid99 That's what I've heard from various Googlers, and that makes my heart happy.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe it is not a zero sum game
 
user15026
@KazWolfe How do you remove the biased idea that men of the world have where they think inappropriate advances are an okay and acceptable right that tehy have?
 
user15026
11:40 PM
Because lemme tell you, that's totally a thing.
 
arda
arda
@Ash it is
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Ash and it is a superfuct thing
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@Ash Inappropriate advances aren't the same at all to me saying "Hi" to someone and them screaming "HATE CRIME!"
 
user15026
@KazWolfe But thats.not.what.is.happening.here.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
most of my feeling can be summed up by "one person's comfort cannot override another person's safety"
@KazWolfe no one is suggesting that
 
user15026
11:41 PM
People are being super hyperbolic, to distract from the real issue that a lot of us (for whatever value of us) feel fucking unsafe a lot of the damn time.
 
user15026
And I am tired, so tired, of having to justify my fear.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@GodEmperorDune Read the article that sparked this.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Ash and that is a horrific thing and should not be happening
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
The important thing here, I think, is consistent standards for "inappropriate" so that someone knows before they initiate the interaction whether it will be appropriate or not.
 
user15026
@murgatroid99 I think that would be a good thing, yeah :) If we could have some sort of way to be like "here's the stuff you do, here's how it's percieved, here's a better idea" thing or something
 
arda
arda
11:42 PM
also holy damn, my sister screamed at night out of nowhere. scared the hell out of me
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
"You look nice today" shouldn't be inappropriate. Nor should just buying a drink for someone just because.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@KazWolfe the text of the law says that saying "hi" can be construed as a hate crime? or the article assumes that for clickbaitness?
 
arda
arda
@Ash I see that everyday... It is super gross. It is great that they are taking action, but taking action this way might be used to damage the people aren't bad too.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
"Hey baby lets go back to my place and rock the casbah" IS inappropriate.
 
user15026
@KazWolfe No one is saying that that IS a crime. You're taking one tiny article out of context and assuming a shitload of thigns that aren't there
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
11:43 PM
@KazWolfe do you say that to everyone?
 
user15026
@arda It's a risk I am willing to take
 
Lazers 2.0
Lazers 2.0
1
Q: What is the red confetti for on my nearby PokeStop?

rs232What is the red confetti for on my nearby PokeStop? It appears to have confetti flying around it.

pokemon-go
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@GodEmperorDune I never say it to anyone.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Like, I think a reasonable (basic) standard is "If it could get you sent to HR at work, don't do it to a stranger"
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
if you are only saying "you look nice today" to female coworkers and giving them a wink, that is a different thing
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:43 PM
Most likely because I'm a jerk.
 
user15026
@KazWolfe Is it just because, though - or is it because you expect them to then talk to you/date you/go home with you/dance with you because you did a thing
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@murgatroid99 i would agree, but there are some really shitty hr places
 
user15026
Because often, the drinks are bought without asking to then coerce someone into doing a thing for you, regardless of their desire for the drink or whatever, because "you were nice"
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@Ash let's assume just to initiate a conversation. Get to know someone.
 
user15026
@KazWolfe Did you ask me if I wanted to get to know you? No. What if I don't feel like talking?
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:45 PM
@Ash "Sorry, I don't want to talk. But thanks for the drink"
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Ash then it's a hate crime, apparently
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
If I were to keep advancing, then it could be considered inappropriate.
 
user15026
@KazWolfe As long as that's respected, I think we're on equal grounds. Problem is, it's not often taken that way, because you put that cost in of the drink, so people expect to get that back in social coins or whatever
 
user15026
“Girls are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out.”
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@GodEmperorDune Who is given unequal opportunity?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
11:46 PM
@Ash The way I see it, it's the subsequent interaction there that would cross the line, not necessarily the initial offer to buy a drink
 
user15026
(or whatever you desire in place of sex)
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Well.
When Trudeau hired his new cabinet, because he made it so mathematically diverse, the women in the pool had something like a 1 in 3 chance of being selected while the men had only 1 in 6
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@GnomeSlice an entire class of people who have been systematically suppressed since before the US was founded
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
If you clearly express to me that you don't want to interact, there's no reason to do anything to change that.
 
user15026
@murgatroid99 Yeah thats what I mean - it's not teh drink that's the problem, it's the expectation of what comes after. If you just buy me a drink because whatever, and then allow me to thank you and then do literally nothing else, that's okay. It's the pushing for more because you started with a higher sunk cost that's frustrating
 
arda
arda
11:48 PM
damn she screamed again (sister is having nightmare)
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@Ash If I buy someone a drink, I assume the cost is lost anyway. I might just be trying to be nice and strike a conversation.
If whoever I bought the drink for doesn't want to talk, that's alright. If they do, great!
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Ash Right. I think the important thing here is that we assume good intentions up until the point that the person actually does something to challenge that assumption.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
If they didn't want to talk, I would assume they would turn down the offer of a drink
 
John
John
@Wipqozn :(
 
Dragonrage
Dragonrage
@John i feel like you post sad faces just to get stars
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:50 PM
:(
now i'm legitimately sad :(
 
John
John
@Dragonrage They're all perfectly valid sad faces, brought about by @Wipqozn's evil doings.
and remember kids, @Wipqozn is the bad guy here.
 
Dragonrage
Dragonrage
yea, @Wipqozn is the worst.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
Or going back to Gnomeslice's example. If I were to send a message on Tinder to a girl, that shouldn't be harassment.
 
Dragonrage
Dragonrage
I vote we overthrow him, and elect his socks instead.
 
user15026
@murgatroid99 It's hard when you have a lot of experiences that are contrary to those good intentions.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:51 PM
One, if she's on Tinder, she should expect it. Two, she can just say "nope, not interested"
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@KazWolfe That was probably a bad example
the people who use tinder don't care about shit like that anyway
 
user15026
@KazWolfe No one is saying that that is, though
 
user15026
That's a hyperbolic example
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
even though it does work for this case.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Am now on the other side of the Great Firewall.
 
arda
arda
11:53 PM
@Yuuki don't forget to change your passwords after leaving
 
John
John
@Yuuki It was nice knowing you
 
user15026
@Yuuki waves
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
This means that a straight man trying to hit on women can be technically described as a "hate crime" now https://t.co/MZTEVU1tPk
Tweeted by YeyoZa on July 13, 2016 at 12:31 PM in reply to YeyoZa
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
RIP @Yuuki
all your bank accounts are being drained
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Ash Sure, I understand that. I'm thinking more from a legal standpoint. Legally, it shouldn't be a problem until they actually cross that line. Working under that assumption, I think, would negate a lot of the hyperbole in this conversation.
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:54 PM
Tiananmen Square
Tiananmen Square is a large city square in the centre of Beijing, China, named after the Tiananmen ("Gate of Heavenly Peace") located to its north, separating it from the Forbidden City. The square contains the Monument to the People's Heroes, the Great Hall of the People, the National Museum of China, and the Mausoleum of Mao Zedong. Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China in the square on October 1, 1949; the anniversary of this event is still observed there. Tiananmen Square is within the top ten largest city squares in the world (440,500 m2 – 880×500 m or 109 acres...
 
John
John
@Ash Where did your name go?
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice recorded as =! prosecuted as, for one.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@KazWolfe Well, thanks for killing me.
 
user15026
@John I cut it off at the knees
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Ash That's... still really shitty!
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:55 PM
Intent is everything. Sure, I may have an intent of going on a date when I buy someone a drink, but if you shoot it down, I have no right to continue going on that path.
 
John
John
@Ash TIL the knees of a name are between the h and the l
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice Until someone can point me at the actual legal wording of this thing, it's all conjecture anyhow
 
arda
arda
Also about that wolf whistling thing, that is totally fucking sexist and it does really need to stop.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
So next year are we going to get arrested for The Male Gaze?
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
@arda how'd that even come to be associated with the graceful animals known as wolves?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
11:57 PM
unrelated
THE POKEMON HAVE BEEN LIVING AMONG US THE ENTIRE TIME POKEMON GO JUST LET'S US SEE THEM https://t.co/E9cbmK3w66
Tweeted by agentbizzle on July 13, 2016 at 10:56 PM
-1 for Let's but still fun
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@GnomeSlice While I'm not sure I agree with the "hate crime" label, it's still sexual harassment.
 
user15026
Also, people, this is one city in one place trying out a thing, people need to cool their jets and see how it all falls out.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Fluttershy What is?
You wouldn't be here if you father hadn't approached your mother for the first time one day
ugh
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@GnomeSlice "Wolf whistling," which is effectively cat calling.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Well, wolf whistling is terrible
 
user15026
11:58 PM
@GnomeSlice The let's totally ruined it :P
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
Cat calling != striking up conversation.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Travel tip: do not go to China if you have a more than average concern about hygiene.
My sister is not having a good time.
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice Well yeah, but I can say at least for my parents, it didn't involve any harassment for them to meet....
 
user15026
@Yuuki Duly noted.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@GnomeSlice I think there's an important difference here between approaching someone to have a conversation and hitting on a stranger out of nowhere
 
Kaz Wolfe
Kaz Wolfe
11:58 PM
Democracy
Democracy, or democratic government, is "a system of government in which all the people of a state or polity ... are involved in making decisions about its affairs, typically by voting to elect representatives to a parliament or similar assembly", as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary. Democracy is further defined as (a:) "government by the people; especially : rule of the majority (b:) "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections." According...
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@GnomeSlice Also, this could be considered leering, which is also sexual harassment.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
You don't have to jump right to flirting for the interaction to end with a date or relationship or whatever.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Fluttershy I was being sarcastic
sorry
I should go
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Ash Beijing and Shanghai may be better choices, but try to avoid the other cities.
 
user15026
@murgatroid99 Also, not all flirting means dating or relationships or even sexytimes
 
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