The Bridge

Lazers 2.0

16:01

0

Q: TF2 Item Server doesn't work in Training

when ever i start a training match against bots the item server doesn't work..i've tried everything..the heartbeat command and restarting tf2,reconnecting and even waited a few days...what the actual crap?!

GnomeSlice

Lumious - Only Ones [Simplify.]

►

ardaozkal

@SaintWacko it is

Unionhawk

@SaintWacko I'm way too used to full out wasd circling

two bugs

Okay, I think I'm done trying to play phone Hearthstone

My provider, Sprint, is awful

So many times where I lose connection for literally no reason

Tim Stone

My lyft to the airport has Shaq as his GPS and it keeps saying shit like "Hazard ahead. Be careful! Don't cause a ....shaqcident"

Tweeted by legobutts on May 25, 2016 at 4:06 PM

Dragonrage

16:11

good morning bridge

Tim Stone

Oh wow, they're going to actually test that traffic-straddling bus in China this year

Imagine going to change lanes and then "OH MY GOD IT'S EATING MY CAR"

Dragonrage

@SaintWacko i want one of those

badp

how do you even get on that thing

Tim Stone

There's elevated stations that it just matches up with if I remember?

Basically like a subway but above traffic and without the expense of creating the elevated rails

two bugs

Those keyboards actually look really cool

Private Pansy

16:19

Turning is going to be... interesting

Also on those lanes which are both forward and turning

SaintWacko

@TimStone I'm still disappointed that the Deckard Cain GPS voice was an April Fool's joke

MadMAxJr

Park a while, and listen!

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy I guess it's not a huge problem in Beijing, at least, since the layout is pretty square

badp

@PrivatePansy you just activate the lasers then

Private Pansy

@TimStone Beijing is actually designed as concentric rings, not quite erm... square

Tim Stone

16:21

Well, right, but if you have them along the main roads they can just go back and forth

They don't have to do the whole loop

Private Pansy

Ah, okay, I get what you mean

SaintWacko

@TimStone Hm, that's cool

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy Yeah, like the main roads are fairly straight in NWSE directions, minus the turns at the end

Less so for Shanghai though

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Retraining a soldier in XCOM 2

I'm near the final mission in my Commander/Ironman campaign and I'm considering of retraining some of my soldiers. The problem is I built Advanced War Center pretty late so many of my soldiers do not have a hidden ability. My questions are: Will retraining a soldier (colonel) without a hidden a...

xcom-2

two bugs

I really want to visit some of those megacities sometime

Like Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, Singapore, etc.

Mexico City, too!

Tim Stone

16:32

You should visit Hong Kong because it's awesome

But not right now

two bugs

I'm not in a rush to visit Mexico City, either :P

But that's a really interesting example since it's currently the largest Metro area in the world I think? And it has interesting geographical challenges

The city center is the lowest elevation or something so they had to be very clever with infrastructure like water

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Mminecraft - I have change my name on minecraft and it wont let me go on any servers How do I get back on to servers?

I tried logging out and logging in but it still wouldn't work im afraid i wont be able to play minecraft anymore :( ;(

minecraft

0

Q: What determines DZ gear score bracket?

Patch 1.2 has introduced 200+ Gear Score bracket in Dark Zone. To my surprise I'm in that bracket, even though my displayed Gear Score is 191. What exactly determines which bracket are you assigned to?

the-division

user15026

@PrivatePansy Yeah, I was kinda curious how they would handle things like that

two bugs

@AshleyNunn That reminds me, did you ever play Cities in Motion?

I may have asked you this before

user15026

@twobugs I've not, no.

two bugs

16:45

I just know you're a big transit fan

Maybe I'll stream 2 and you can check it out :)

I'd stream 1 but... honestly, it's one of the hardest intros I have ever played

user15026

I can't decide if I would like it or not because I love transit and I AM SO BAD at strategy so I feel like I'd just be like OH NO I HAVE CAUSED ALL THE BUS CRASHES or something

two bugs

I haven't beat the first level

user15026

@twobugs That would be AWESOME

two bugs

The first level in 1 is "Hey, welcome to 1900 Berlin. Redesign the entire bus system and you only have stone age technology. Good luck!"

user15026

@twobugs makes everyone walk

two bugs

16:48

I've spent a few hours on it and I thought I was just really stupid until I read about other people having trouble, too :P

Tim Stone

@twobugs To be fair I'm biased towards Hong Kong because I lived there :P

Wow, I've been sitting here a long time trying to do the same thing and continually forgetting that I was doing it. I have a feeling today will be a challenge.

I also have my headphones on for some unknown reason since I'm not actively listening to anything

two bugs

I'm checking out Google Code. I might try using this in my next project. It looks pretty neat.

murgatroid99

@twobugs Are you talking about the code hosting site?

Wipqozn

17:03

ah excellent. I see reddit is already full force on "hypocrite reviewers" since Overwatch is being scored highly despite having "the same flaws of other games". A common one being it's multiplayer only. "Why does X get free pass?!"

Man I hate when gamers complain about that

"it's blizzard fanboys"

No, it's just a solid well made game, so things like "no singeplayer" isn't as big of a deal to folks.

I just don't get how some people don't understand that how large of a problem specific complaiints are will depend on the game itself

It's not some checklist of "No singleplayeR? -2 points"

"but meh review scores"

KutuluMike

I hate multi-player games, so no-singler-player is a deal breaker for me, but I'm not stupid enough to declare the game "crap" because of that.

Tim Stone

It's not like it's a trick either, "OMG no single player? HOW WAS I TO KNOW?"

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Does the enemy see Hanzo's sonar?

It didn't occur to me during the open beta, tried to look around me recently couldn't see the red Hanzo's sonar. So can my team see the other team's Hanzo's sonic arrow on the ground/wall near me?

overwatch

Wipqozn

@KutuluMike and that's the thing. That's totally legit. but trying to call folks mindless hypocrites because "oh no SP wasa problem for you in that game, why not this one?!"

IT's so stupid

KutuluMike

I mean, I hate sports games, too.

but I'm not automatically declaring MAdden 2k16 "garbage" because it's about football

Wipqozn

17:06

and thing is, I'm not talking about "I dislike this because X"

KutuluMike

"THIS MULTI-PLAYER GAME IS MULTI-PLAYER. IT SUX"

?

Wipqozn

I'm talking when folks start ripping into fans and reviews for liking onie game, but not other

and just make some silly checklist

Tim Stone

@Wipqozn Especially if this is like a Diablo III comparison that's really dumb

KutuluMike

"You complained that UFC 2k16 did not have Rhonda Rousey! Well Overwatch doesn't have Rhonda Rousey either, WHY U NOT MAD?"

Wipqozn

@KutuluMike basically, yeah, but within the same genre

Tim Stone

17:08

Though that's not quite SP/MP so much as online/offline but I don't even know why they'd make that argument, so

Wipqozn

copy/paste from redit

Rainbow Six Siege gets criticised for being a full price title while only offering online PvP play with some basic coop mode.

Overwatch doesn't.

Battleborn gets criticised for 'offering little content' despite it's PvE campaign and 6 maps with more to come.

Overwatch doesn't.

Star Wars Battlefront gets criticised for it's simplicity.

Overwatch doesn't.

I mean, I think the game is really good and it deserves every bit of praise it gets. It's a very well made, high quality Blizzard game.

But this is just over the top. These double standards are the worst. I thought reviewers must at le…

like instead of asking "okay, why is little content a problem for Battleborn but not overwatch?" it's just "damn fanboys"

The problem could be that folks think the gameplay in Battleborn just isn't as fun

MadMAxJr

Battleborn has little content but it's meant to be highly replayable.

And yeah, it's not the same kind of fun. It is fun though.

Tim Stone

Battleborn must not be so bad since the Robot keeps playing it

MadMAxJr

Overwatch gets you a thrill in about ten minutes.

Tim Stone

I was in the closed beta but I think I only logged in because uhh lazy

MadMAxJr

17:10

Battleborn is 30 minutes to an hour.

Wipqozn

or maybe the price fo RSS is a problem since folks just don't think that the multiplayer of that game is good enough to justify $60, but $40/$60 is worth it for overatch

Just crazy

MadMAxJr

Didn't Battleborn drop in price to $40 this week?

Wipqozn

@MadMAxJr yeah, because it's doing really poorly from what I understand

So yeah, my summary is that gamers are dumb

MadMAxJr

It picked a really bad time to launch. (Battleborn)

Unionhawk

I mean, $40 isn't a full-price title

Technically yes there is a $60 edition, but the game is actually $40

Wipqozn

17:13

@Unionhawk supposedly the origin edition is the only one one consoles

Unionhawk

Oh, well then

Wipqozn

but still, I hte this notion of "only MP? Game not worth $60"

Unionhawk

Good thing I bought it for PC

Wipqozn

No, that's dumb. There's more to value than "Does it have SP and MP?"

The games where folks complain about that asmore than just mindless ranting is usually because the MP isn't good enough to hold up

Unionhawk

"This game is literally TF2 except it isn't free? BLI$$ARD I$ $O GR€€DY"

murgatroid99

17:15

That argument above actually seems reasonable to me. If you criticize/ding one game for having a particular deficiency but not another game for having the same deficiency, it makes reviews inconsistent.

Wipqozn

Look at SC2. Folks primarily play the MP on that, and put in thousands of hours. If they suddenly dropped SP, which most folks only paly through once, would it suddenly not be worth whatever it's price it?

Unionhawk

Yes

murgatroid99

Even if the underlying reason is "this game's multiplayer isn't good enough to justify the cost", expressing it as "it's bad that this game only has multiplayer, but fine that this other game only has multiplayer" makes reviews seem capricious

Unionhawk

Besides, technically it does have singleplayer, it's called vs bots (yes I know this is not the same thing as a campaign)

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 That's fair, but that's really a case of bad reviews if that's how it's really going. However I doubt that. A lot of folks just latch on to one thing in a review and ignore the context or justification.

@Unionhawk that's silly

Unionhawk

17:17

@Wipqozn The joke is I'm answering rhetorical questions in a contrarian manner to annoy you

MadMAxJr

Blizzard doesn't really release bad games, so I'm okay with this. Though if you want to fish for bad games they made, you can dig up Justice League Task Force.

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk I'll poke holes in you and watch you sink, boat

and some folks will have legit complaints, but my main point, honestly, is that the quality of a game makes ahuge difference.

If the game has top notic gameplay you're more willing to look over certain issues, and not even intentionally. You won't even notice those issues. IF the gameplay isn't that great then those issues start to crop up and in your face.

MadMAxJr

I expect TF2 characters trying to wear cardboard copies of Overwatch characters in attempt to stay relevant.

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn I guess I'm only getting this second or third hand, but "bad reviews" (or bad reviewers) seems to be exactly the thing that that excerpt you posted is criticizing.

Unionhawk

Holy crap are you suggesting that the goodness of a game is related to the quality of the game and not the quantity of content?

Wipqozn

17:21

@Unionhawk yeah

that's basically what my entire argument is

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk What does that even mean?

MadMAxJr

I'm suggesting that Blizzard has a +5 goodness bonus for games they make.

The trade off is that it takes them 18 years to release a new IP

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 It is, but it's really just someone picking checkpointed items without context and speaking for the community and reviewers as a whole.

Those points, without any context, don't hold

It's the justification and reasoning behind those things that matter, and it all comes down to game quality

when 10 hours into a MP only game you're thinking "man, this is fun, but I don't think it'll hold interest for long without SP!". The problem isn't that there's no SP, it's that the MP obviously isn't that great.

If you've played for 50 hours and that doesn't even enter your head then it's because the game is a lot of fun

That's basically what I'm complaining about. The complete removal of the games quality, and realizing how large of a factor game quality plays into how things like "MP only" and "AMount of content" matter.

murgatroid99

I think then it really depends on what a game's score is supposed to mean, and what "quality" means.

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 that's fair

Unionhawk

17:27

I think people get hung up on "am I getting the most amount of stuff to do for my money" is part of it

Wipqozn

I'm basically just ranting about people ranting about complaints without considering the context and reason behind those complaitns

badp

look

Unionhawk

looks

badp

here's a very quick very game grading guideline

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk yeah, but that's more complicated than "is it MP only".

Unionhawk

17:28

prepares to be disappointed

Wipqozn

Since it completely ignores how enjoyable and long lasting the MP is

Dragonrage

@badp If it doesn't confuse @badp it gets +17 to its score

badp

undertale 75/10
big rigs 8/10
barbie magic hair 6/10

Wipqozn

A shit MP focused game with a shit 5 hour campaign is still a shit game

badp

you should be able to figure out the rest

Wipqozn

17:28

and if you removed the SP, the game isn't shit because "no SP", it's because the game is shit because of reasons

Also I'm not really tlaking about reviews scores, really. I usually ignore those.

badp

realistically speaking all of your game scores ever should be using the entire grading range between 9.7 and 10.0

MadMAxJr

I think badp has a point. Overwatch has no comical skeletons. 2/10.

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn You mean like how people lost their shit over IGN's score of Uncharted 4? That was a fun day.

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk Probably

I used to care about scores a lot when I was younger

Unionhawk

And they gave it at least an 8 and change?

Dragonrage

17:30

@MadMAxJr yes, so CoC gets +47 for Larry

Unionhawk

Which is a Positive Review?

Wipqozn

I still get annoyed every so often, but now it's usually more "this is why scores are fucking stupid"

@Unionhawk Not to gamers. LEss than 9? Game is crap.

murgatroid99

The issue is that we can't all objectively agree on what makes a multiplayer game "fun". Otherwise someone would have made it and we'd all just be playing that game. So reviewers need objective criteria to judge games, so it's not just "games that this particular reviewer enjoyed playing for some reason"

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 I agree, but solid reviews will list reasons why it's an issue

MadMAxJr

I'm having fun and nobody can stop meeeeee.

Unionhawk

17:31

But I think that breaks down because it's impossible to quantify "fun"

Dragonrage

@MadMAxJr bans

badp

LOOK I NEED TO KNOW IF PORTAL 2 IS BETTER OR NOT THAN CIV 5 IT'S NOT THAT HARD

MY GAMERHOOD DEPENDS ON IT

KutuluMike

no.

Wipqozn

To be clear here I'm not talking about someone who compares two reviews, and points out issues with them. I'm talking about people who just take some general complaint, claim it's all anyone said, and remove any sense of context."

Matt E. Эллен

@badp much better

Dragonrage

17:32

@badp can you blow stuff up in either of them?

Matt E. Эллен

it's got portals, for one

KutuluMike

portal 2 is a 150, civ 5 is a 157

badp

@Dragonrage yes

KutuluMike

portal 2 has portals. civ 5 has psychopath ghandi

Tim Stone

Hahahah

badp

17:33

does the annoying brit voice trump the hexagonal tiles

THIS IS IMPORTANT

Tim Stone

"Am I replying to the right person? Yeah it's probably the right person"

Dragonrage

then the one that you can make more things explode is better

Matt E. Эллен

@badp I'VE NEVER PLAYED civ 5 SO IT MOST BE OBJECTIVELY WORSE

murgatroid99

@badp Isn't Civ 5 the one with square tiles?

badp

@Dragonrage in Civ you have unlimited explosions but they are more like third party smoke, you never actually explode anything

Dragonrage

17:34

@MattE.Эллен also it has a 5 in it, which isnt even, so it's even worse

badp

in Portal 2 you control the bombs yourself

SO WHICH ONES ARE TRUER PROER MUCHER CORER GAMER

Dragonrage

@badp thats lame. portal is better then

KutuluMike

@badp Candy Crush

badp

@MattE.Эллен ME NEITHER UP TOP

KutuluMike

it has bombs and candy

Matt E. Эллен

17:35

@badp TOPS UP

MadMAxJr

Which is objectively MOAR better? Hello Kitty Island Adventure or GTA 5???

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 So I guess I'm making an assumption about the quality of reviews here, but I'm also taking about when folks complain about community opinion as well, and try to hold that to the same standards as professional reviews. Like you can't hold the community hivemind at large to the same standards as a review written by a single professional (or single person). IT just doesn't make sense. And although the community hivemind might hate on one game for lacking SP and not other [...][

Dragonrage

@MadMAxJr HL3

badp

HL3 is NaN/10

Matt E. Эллен

@Dragonrage oddly a lot worse

MadMAxJr

17:36

Half Life 3 requires creating a dimensional rift to cross to a reality where it releases.

Tim Stone

So I configured slackbot to clean up flipped tables and I'm convinced my team now hate me: https://t.co/85e9kyKnjO

Tweeted by mipearson on May 25, 2016 at 3:10 AM

Fantastic

Dragonrage

Did no one appreciate the good puns just made?

badp

@MadMAxJr I think that reality has already collapsed onto itself

two bugs

@MadMAxJr 7.

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 it's likely either just folks A) Getting caught up in hype, which yeah is dumb and happens or B) the community at large not being able ot willing to express why a game is bad, so they just get to something like "No SP", when in reality it's just that folks don't think the MP is fun. For a professional review I'd expect something like "No SP, game isn't worth it for just MP because X". If reviewers aren't doing that "because X" [..]

@murgatroid99 then that's a bad review, but I wouldn't hold the community hivemind to the same standard.

two bugs

17:38

@murgatroid99 It's been described to me as a unit testing framework for C++

Wipqozn

Being able to do a critique of anything isn't easy, despite what some folks thing, because being able to explain reasons why something is bad takes time and knowledge. You can't expect the community hivemind to be capable of that.

murgatroid99

@twobugs I think you're talking about Google Test

two bugs

Yeah, that's what I meant

I just went back and saw I said Google Code initially... Oops

murgatroid99

Google Test is apparently what my team uses for C++ testing, so I guess it's good

Tim Stone

Google Code on the other hand was always terrible and thank god it's dead

badp

17:44

I didn't mind Google Code too much

I liked that its wiki was its own proper git repo

dunno if it's the same with github

Tim Stone

If your only objective was to host something I guess it was serviceable? But trying to actually collaborate, ugh

murgatroid99

@badp I'm pretty sure it isn't, but you can also just write a bunch of markdown files in your repository and make those your documentation. And you can also get a repo-name.github.io website, which is another git repo

Actually, it's org-name.github.io/repo-name, but that works basically the same

It uses the special gh-pages branch to generate a website

two bugs

Rick Santorum has endorsed Donald Trump

badp

gg

two bugs

Santorum is a disgusting slimeball but I think trying to make his last name into a nasty sex thing was a really stupid move

Because, ya'know, innocent people also have that last name.

Tim Stone

17:54

@twobugs He really needs to stop doing things just so people will remember he exists

two bugs

I would be fine if he just stopped existing

Chippies

Guys, talk me out of buying Overwatch

Tim Stone

I mean he's Catholic for christ's sake and he's endorsing Trump, the man who thinks he doesn't have to ask god for forgiveness for anything.

Unionhawk

@Chippies no

Tim Stone

Asking forgiveness from god is like one of the daily todo items on Catholic agendas

Chippies

17:56

@uni pls

Unionhawk

@TimStone This is accurate

Tim Stone

@Chippies I haven't bought it yet so you should stay strong

STAY STRONG

Chippies

@TimStone but... the peer pressure... :/

Unionhawk

No you should buy it it's a fun game

Or not, I don't actually care

two bugs

@TimStone You should buy Overwatch

Tim Stone

17:57

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

badp

@Chippies it is probably going to get on sale soon

two bugs

It's probably not going to go on sale soon

badp

in the meanwhile you can see if the game gets content updates and the community survives the initial hype

Chippies

@badp it's blizzard, I doubt it's going on a sale until they release an expansion

badp

you don't even know if there's going to be one

Chippies

17:58

@badp which is exactly my point

two bugs

Let's talk about Blizzard games where the community died

Chippies

there won't be a sale for a long time

two bugs

crickets

Chippies

Blizzard games are more of a long term investment imho

badp

YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BRING YOUR OWN LOGIC TO MY ARGUMENT TO SAVE YOU MONEY OKAY

Unionhawk

17:59

I'm having short term fun though

two bugs

I have easily had $60 worth of fun

Unionhawk

Yeah, and I spent $40!

Transcript for