The Bridge

two bugs

14:00

My team lost the fitness thing :( Or more accurately, we didn't win

Unionhawk

I have a mockup of a thing, I'm waiting to show the mockup, and my mentor essentially said as long as I'm learning and there isn't anything then whatever

two bugs

Thanks to me alone we're in like 3rd place

Tim Stone

@twobugs Does that mean you didn't get Super Fittest too?

two bugs

I don't know I'm going to ask who logged the most overall whenever it officially concludes

We were "racing" to a specific point and the first two teams reached it already

Tim Stone

Ah, okay

two bugs

14:03

I have my impromptu 1 on 1 with my boss in an hour. Worried

Wipqozn

@GraceNote Good enough

Also 3/5 devs (including myself) don't know what dwarf fortress is

UNFORGIVABLE

Grace Note

@Wipqozn How do you not

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn YOU ALL FAIL

Grace Note

@Wipqozn No seriously, how.

@Wipqozn HOW

Tim Stone

@twobugs If she tries to complain tell her that ~~the~~ a CTO said you're doing a fine job

Lazers 2.0

14:07

0

Q: Who should I be damage buffing as Mercy

I just started playing Overwatch (played a few games during open beta, but wasn't able to play much). I'm enjoying Mercy, but who (in a group situation) should be getting the damage buff? Additionally, when my team splits up, who should I follow to support?

overwatch

two bugs

@TimStone My boss is actually a nice lady!

I'm just worried she will be in business mode and end my life

Because, you know, business

Tim Stone

@twobugs Yeah, that was rather presumptuous of me, sorry >_<

Stupid business

Grace Note

Huh. I guess promptu really is a word.

Kevin van der Velden

A latin one from what I can tell

Tim Stone

And the name of many products/companies, apparently

Go figure

Grace Note

14:11

English Impromptu comes from French which comes from Latin. I guess French never had a reason to use promptu?

Private Pansy

@GraceNote impromptu. "Promptu" as far as I can tell does not exist as an English word

Wait, does it?

Grace Note

It exists as a latin word

Private Pansy

Even Firefox spellcheck says it's not

Grace Note

As Kevin noted

Which is the root from which "impromptu" is derived from, considering it basically means the opposite of impromptu.

Nzall

@TimStone Are you the CTO of Stack Overflow?

Grace Note

14:13

@Nzall The Chief Tim Officer is already a filled post.

two bugs

He's the CTO of Dee's Nuts

ardaozkal

@twobugs And you are the VP of Old Memes

Nzall

Okay, now I'm confused. Are there any members of the Stack overflow development team that frequent the Bridge?

Tim Stone

No, I just play one on TV

I am actually a CTO though

two bugs

@badp is the Chief Officer of This Pear

Tim Stone

14:17

@GraceNote I think it's because for what promptu actually means there are usually better ways of languaging it in non-Latin, whereas impromptu fills a particular void

Grace Note

@TimStone Which makes sense

two bugs

Linguistics is really interesting

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: How long do black and white repel/attract effects last?

I walked a thousand steps through filthy ash to get Black flute which is supposed to repel wild Pokémon. This is what it says: A glass flute that keeps away wild POKéMON. And the white one: A glass flute that lures wild POKéMON. I can't see any effect after using any of these. How l...

pokemon-series pokemon-third-gen

Tim Stone

Alright, I'm already going to break the no-non-gaming links rule I created because I'm a rebel

Beautiful. Office hits an author-chosen URL every time you open a signed document. http://blog.thinkst.com/2016/05/certified-canarytokens-alerts-from_25.html https://t.co/z38UsdDhzp

Tweeted by matthew_d_green on May 25, 2016 at 2:13 PM

Professors should start signing documents so they know when you start assignments, heh

Grace Note

A couple clicks in and there's a Pikachu. Gaming enough.

Tim Stone

14:24

Validation accepted

Grace Note

Hejudas if I know why there's one. But there is one.

Private Pansy

Satya Nadella is speaking at our school the day after tomorrow

This is rather exciting

Tim Stone

Oh come on

I updated Chrome and they reverted the Material design

Just after I got used to most of the changes

ardaozkal

@PrivatePansy Neat, he is a nice person, I met him earlier this year in Ankara.

Tim Stone

Ah good, there's a flag

two bugs

14:36

I really want to see flags. You guys keep talking about them

Unionhawk

They're not exciting

Spoiler alert

two bugs

Well duh. But you all keep talking about them

MadMAxJr

A flag?

There ya go, on the house.

MBraedley

@twobugs Only 4.6k to go

Tim Stone

@twobugs I mean, in this case I was talking about chrome://flags, but

SaintWacko

14:46

Sigh

My company is being acquired

65,000 layoffs projected

Tim Stone

Holy hell O_o

SaintWacko

Yeah

usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/05/24/…

All the articles talk about how great it is for shareholders

Wipqozn

@GraceNote I'm not sure, but I'm concerned.

Tim Stone

@SaintWacko Oh wow, I was thinking of that when you mentioned the size, didn't know you were part of it :/

SaintWacko

@TimStone Yeah

ardaozkal

14:50

@SaintWacko hope you keep your job

SaintWacko

Our group is pretty specialized, and I think has a higher chance than most of sticking around, but I'm still worried

There's an all-employee meeting in 40 minutes, so hopefully we'll find out more

Tim Stone

Good luck :(

ardaozkal

Well, there is always stack overflow careers :P Good luck on the meeting.

SaintWacko

Thanks

Wipqozn

@twobugs Just tell her Wipqozn said you were a cool dude

Tim Stone

14:51

Firstly, I already made a better version of that joke, secondly, that would be like negative points

Wipqozn

@TimStone I know. I just stole your joke.

ardaozkal

@TimStone also it is not "a" nor "dude".

Wipqozn

I steal jokes all the time. I probably stole this I stole a joke joke from somewhere, too.

Ronan

You wouldn't download a joke

Arperum

@SaintWacko ANd noone talks about how very not great it is for 65 thousand people?

SaintWacko

14:53

@Arperum Pretty much

Arperum

@SaintWacko Damn...

Wipqozn

GodEmperorDune

@SaintWacko so meg whitman is chasing carly fiorina's title of worst HP CEO?

Wipqozn

> Sorry this comic was a little late, I was playing Stardew Valley

chapelcomic.com/34

SaintWacko

@GodEmperorDune Heh, that's exactly what I was thinking this morning

Carly got crap for laying off 30,000 people

two bugs

14:57

@Wipqozn YEP

The struggle is real

Wipqozn

I should get back to stardew

two bugs

@Wipqozn Me too

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn I'm waiting for them to implement a proper touch interface

two bugs

I need to overhaul my strategy for mine exploration

SaintWacko

So I can play it on my SP3

two bugs

14:58

I'm gonna do TOME again on my SP4 I think

See how that works out

Roguelikes seem like a good fit

SaintWacko

Ooh, that's a good idea

I should try out DCSS

So should you

So should... everyone

two bugs

I should

My coworker recommend ADOM

I dunno if that's free though

Wipqozn

Private Pansy

@twobugs it's not

Erm, wait, hang on

Okay, it's free, but there is a Steam version which is basically the same I think

SaintWacko

> ADOM on Steam will take ADOM gameplay to the next level by introducing the following features (among others) in the next couple of months:
70+ achievements,
game customization features (e.g. turning corruption off, increasing treasure rates adjusting monster lethality),
ghost creation and exchange between players - be haunted by dead player characters and try to win their treasures,
story mode - save and reload your games,
exploration mode - use a wand of wishes to discover completely new sides of the game,

But DCSS is the best roguelike

Private Pansy

15:04

0

A: Which levels contain Failure Logs?

The following levels contain Failure Logs: Proving Grounds Training Routing 3 Training Routine 4 Training Routine 5 Skydock 19 Munitions Refill Type 6 Shuttle Proportion Units Guided Javelin Type 1 Resource Site 526.81 Optical Sensor Array Type 2 Landing Alignment Lights Optical...

I think got them all, but @fredley @Ronan help check if I missed anything

Ronan

@PrivatePansy I don't wanna.

Private Pansy

@Ronan :(

Also, after seeing how Meat Product 57 is produced I don't think I can stomach it any more

Wipqozn

oh my. I feel so bad for this guy sometimes.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Does Mercy's damage boost apply to turrets?

Torbjorn's turret is his main feature. It provides area denial and slows down offensive pushes. As a Mercy, if I damage boost Torbjorn, does his turret also see this benefit, or only his rivet gun? Same goes for Symmetra, are her sentries impacted by damage boost or not?

overwatch

Wipqozn

Some function isn't behaving as he expected, returning nothing. I suggest if he's really stumped he coud just edit the function to add in some logging to it so see wht the SQL query it 's running is. Asks "isn't that a core function?", and an tell he's worried to touch it. Like yeah, you don't want to edit core permanently, but editing it on your test box to do logging for a few minutes is fine. but I'm sure someone told him "never edit core!" without understanding why or what it meant

like it's not the first thing I'd do, but if you've been banging your head against a wall for an hour or more then you mightneed to see what query is being run

Unionhawk

15:11

The immediate window and breakpoints are my two best friends

being able to see what this.whatever is on the fly is amazing

badp

php

Wipqozn

@badp yes

Unionhawk

@badp Yeah

that's true

badp

so the thing is, does php have some sort of repl?

Unionhawk

On the other hand, I'm having an enjoyable time even if @Wipqozn isn't

badp

15:12

or at least a debugger

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk If anything that makes it more enjoyble!

Arperum

@badp BAHAHAHAHAHA

GodEmperorDune

@badp it gives terrible crash logs, does that count?

Unionhawk

Yes

badp

@Arperum I mean, perl has a debugger

GodEmperorDune

15:13

as in good luck figuring out why it crashed

Wipqozn

I remember this guy I went uni with who loved PHP. He did his entire datamining course in PHP, because he thought it was the best language ever.

Arperum

@GodEmperorDune Assuming it gives any crash log at all.

Tim Stone

@badp phpdbg exists, but I've never used it

badp

not much of it, and some people don't use it, and I don't like it a lot

but it's so infinitely better than printf debugging

GodEmperorDune

@Arperum assuming it actually crashes when it should instead of silently correcting and doing weird shit, yes

Unionhawk

15:14

@badp printf debugging is literally the worst

GodEmperorDune

@badp just valgrind it and see all the bad memory accesses your code is doing

badp

and making it so that your code can be debugged helps you write better code

Tim Stone

php -a is also an interactive shell

badp

@GodEmperorDune if there was a segfault going on, then perhaps

Wipqozn

PHP should have a "dont_be_terrible" option, which makes it be less terrible, and then that should just be the default.

GodEmperorDune

15:15

@Unionhawk it is a good trick that almost always works, even if it is a bit old school

Unionhawk

Even working in Eclipse this last semester I missed the immediate window Visual Studio gives me working in C#

badp

@TimStone well then. Import the module or whatever the coworker is having trouble with, and prod it

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune It is, it's good to do, but it's painful

Or can be anyway

fredley

@PrivatePansy It gets better

badp

PROD IT WITH A STICK

fredley

15:15

Meat product 101 best meat product

Tim Stone

@Wipqozn Yeah but noops aren't that useful

Private Pansy

@fredley I keep thinking it's the whale from h2g2

GodEmperorDune

@badp inb4 "WHO DEPLOYED THIS STICK TO PROD?"

@TimStone lulz

Private Pansy

I just can't build the factory. Those big sad eyes :(

badp

and then realise that it can't sql because the other 200 functions that set up the globals and the env and the db connections were never run

Tim Stone

15:16

This is probably guaranteed to be true

fredley

@PrivatePansy Well if you do decide to drop it off a cliff...

Tim Stone

But if he needs to know what query was run why doesn't he just have the database record it?

Private Pansy

@fredley I have set it freeeeeeeee

fredley

@PrivatePansy Also the spine in the middle...

badp

@TimStone wouldn't that require running a database query

Tim Stone

15:17

@badp Presumably he can do that without Touching the Thing

badp

are you going to debug a query not being run by running a query

is that what's going on

is that literally it

Tim Stone

I thought it just wasn't returning anything, not that it wasn't necessarily running?

badp

this is a side of you we didn't know @TimStone

Private Pansy

^ flip flop circuit

Tim Stone

@badp No, we always knew I was magic

badp

15:18

but nice troll, 7/10

Tim Stone

Established fact

GodEmperorDune

sometimes i think @Wipqozn doesn't even use php, he just makes up php stories from work to troll the bridge

Unionhawk

@TimStone DATA NOT FOUND

Wipqozn

Oh wow, he messed up printing out a string

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune I don't think he could do that to himself

Think of all the associated shame he's had to carry around

badp

15:19

@Wipqozn it might be that he's now choking

Wipqozn

Maybe he doesn't know how strings work.

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn wat

Tim Stone

No one willing does that when they're already ashamed of their socks

Wipqozn

@TimStone Yes

Unionhawk

...

Private Pansy

15:20

@GodEmperorDune PHP differentiates between string delimited by ' and ". The latter interpolates variables while the former does not

Unionhawk

dangit

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone i thought he was proud of the filthy socks

Unionhawk

Hmm

Okay

Private Pansy

Presumably that's how he messed it up

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune I don't know anymore

GodEmperorDune

15:20

@PrivatePansy that's not a php only thing

SaintWacko

@PrivatePansy That looks like fun

Private Pansy

@GodEmperorDune Hmmm. Well, JS recently got interpolated strings too

And I think perl?

badp

Python 3.6 also will

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy C# too!

badp

perl has had string interpolation since forever

two bugs

15:21

Update: It was just a checkin meeting and everything is fine

Ronan

Ruby and therefore Groovy and Coffeescript have it.

Tim Stone

@twobugs Whew!

badp

I think they're going to be called i-strings in Python, like i"my {thing}"

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs \2/

badp

@GodEmperorDune why is your head now a coathanger

two bugs

15:21

I had my Chief Tim Officer endorsement prepared but it wasn't necessary

badp

sorry, VP of Tim

Private Pansy

PHP's is a bit confusing to newcomers though because most languages don't differentiate it using the two types of quotation marks (I think?)

GodEmperorDune

@badp that sounds vaguely familiar, is it still in PEP or did it actually get built yet?

Unionhawk

I'm honestly not sure what I expected here

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy Right

badp

15:22

@PrivatePansy it's the same in bash, Perl, etc.

possibly even SQL

Ronan

@PrivatePansy Everything differentiates it using two different types of quotation marks.

Tim Stone

Most languages also don't use . for concatenating strings either though so

badp

like foo vs "foo"

@TimStone Perl, lua

Tim Stone

@badp No one gets its right in bash either

Private Pansy

@Ronan JS uses backticks

badp

15:22

actually, in lua it's ..

Tim Stone

@badp Mostly only relevant to case-sensitivity in that instance

Unionhawk

Yeah, most languages

badp

yes that is two dots

Unionhawk

@twodots

Ronan

@PrivatePansy The three I said use " vs ', and also perl.

badp

15:23

@twobugs in ascii art

Tim Stone

Which is actually one of Postgres' most annoying features

There's no way to escape names without also enforcing the casing

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone eww

Private Pansy

@badp In some dialects?

None which I've used anyway

badp

1 min ago, by Tim Stone

@badp Mostly only relevant to case-sensitivity in that instance

two bugs

@badp That's my signature and I have it copyrighted

Tim Stone

15:24

(This came up in Dapper, the SE micro-ORM, because the simple CRUD module tried to escape field names just in case, but that's problematic when not necessary due to the casing thing)

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs ..tm

Private Pansy

@TimStone That might be a good choice, actually *cough* JavaScript *cough*

GodEmperorDune

err .. ©

Unionhawk

..(OC DO NOT STEAL)

Private Pansy

@SaintWacko It is a lot of fun. Infinifactory - basically, SpaceChem in 3D

GodEmperorDune

15:26

@Unionhawk ..(what if i just reimplement the apis)

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy The confusing thing about the backticks in JS is that they also function as multi-line string support

Private Pansy

It also has a hotkey to record your solution as a gif

Tim Stone

Which Java still doesn't have so help me god

Unionhawk

ugh, dangit

Tim Stone

Outside of first-class properties lack of multiline strings is the number one thing that makes C# so much better to work with

Unionhawk

15:27

Properties are awesome

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone well oracle spent all of their budget for new dev on this lawsuit thing so...

Tim Stone

OH

Private Pansy

The biggest thing I miss in Java is actually the ability to create simple hashes on the fly

Tim Stone

WHICH REMINDS ME

badp

@TimStone wat

Tim Stone

15:27

Holy

Private Pansy

@TimStone Potatoes

Tim Stone

The jury had a concern yesterday because there were too many folders

ardaozkal

lol

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone too many folders in what sense?

Tim Stone

They were given the Android source code

In folders

With no IDE

And apparently no one expected them to actually look at it

But they are!

GodEmperorDune

15:29

like printed code in physical folders?

Tim Stone

No, like on a computer

Private Pansy

@badp developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/…

GodEmperorDune

well thats a start

ardaozkal

android.googlesource.com

Tim Stone

But because of the structure they couldn't really get a grasp on it because you just keep clicking through levels of emptiness

GodEmperorDune

15:30

@TimStone welcome to java, amirite

ardaozkal

way too many folders if they gave them this

@TimStone java folder structure is a nightmare.

GodEmperorDune

com.urmom.source.memes.uwotm8

badp

@PrivatePansy wat wat wat

Tim Stone

@sarahjeong @sammikes Do modern versions of notepad support unix line ends? Because if not, they might be looking at it without newlines!

Tweeted by Canageek on May 25, 2016 at 2:36 AM in reply to sarahjeong

Wipqozn

Ohw I see how his code isn't working

GodEmperorDune

15:31

@Wipqozn plot twist, it was the php all along

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune No, just his mistake

BACK TO WORK

Private Pansy

@badp I'm not really sure what you're wat'ing at

Tim Stone

Here's the storify for those interested

badp

@PrivatePansy watwatwat`wat$(wat)wat`

Private Pansy

It's mostly syntatic sugar anyway

@badp Actually it's `watwatwat${wat}wat`

badp

15:33

that is ART-shaped syntactic sugar

@PrivatePansy oh no

function tag(strings, ...values) {
  console.log(strings[0]); // "Hello "
  console.log(strings[1]); // " world "
  console.log(strings[2]); // ""
  console.log(values[0]);  // 15
  console.log(values[1]);  // 50

  return "Bazinga!";
}

tag`Hello ${ a + b } world ${ a * b }`;
// "Bazinga!"

Tim Stone

@badp It's nice for HTML strings, actually, since you get interpolation and newlines

So you can structure it pretty reasonably

badp

but what is this tag-string sort of nightmare about

why is it getting string fragments

Tim Stone

Oh

badp

why are the values being passed like that

Tim Stone

It's just a formatting function

badp

15:35

why doesn't it need to return anything

what's wrong with its face

this is worse than perlform

Private Pansy

@badp Because, uh, it's a fuction?

Tim Stone

Honestly I'm not sure why it not returning anything was allowed other than I guess it's annoying to check

badp

why would you have backticks for function invocation more importantly

Tim Stone

Ah, no, it's because there's utility in it returning function

It's basically like preparing a handlebars template

badp

I WILL HAVE SOME NICE EMERGENCY HANDLEBARS OUT OF THIS NIGHTMARE

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Tim Stone

15:37

It's not for function invocation, it's for templating!

Private Pansy

@badp It's just syntax?

GnomeSlice

evergreen feeding

Tim Stone

It just so happens that the logic of the template is extracted into a function

GnomeSlice

oops

GodEmperorDune

OMG Alsup tells the attorneys they should have just printed out 15 million lines of code for the jury

Tweeted by sarahjeong on May 24, 2016 at 6:20 PM in reply to sarahjeong

lolololol

badp

15:39

ardaozkal

Banking tips https://t.co/8Q90f056EZ

Tweeted by ajlobster on May 24, 2016 at 10:47 PM

Private Pansy

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as though one million nerds tried to reach out to an invisible keyboard, saying, "No here let me"

Tweeted by sarahjeong on May 24, 2016 at 6:57 PM in reply to sarahjeong

badp

@GodEmperorDune rofl

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Google would have likely won so quickly if that was the case though

badp

Tim Stone

15:41

Like if they printed out all of the code and highlighted the portion that was of relevance to the case?

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone yeah, no way the oracle attourneys would allow that

badp

the attorneys are on offense, so that's not Google's problem, right?

yeah they'd have to highlight like one line every hundred in one page every hundred

imagine the look on the jury's face

Unionhawk

why can't I hold all these folders

Tim Stone

@sarahjeong (Forgive me, Duke) https://t.co/8rtZ5Pweec

Tweeted by tmslft on May 25, 2016 at 2:50 AM in reply to sarahjeong

badp

they'd understand that the case was pretty much like "if I remove every hundredth word from this book, then the chapter is no longer grammatically correct!"

fredley

15:44

8

Tim Stone

Good news everyone, I now have my medication!

@fredley I should rename my Capital One 360 emergency savings account to the crying emoji just to see what happens

badp

GnomeSlice

Alsup confirms that they're going to "wheel in the computer thing" and sighs, "hope that's done..."

Tweeted by sarahjeong on May 24, 2016 at 7:31 PM in reply to sarahjeong

Private Pansy

@fredley unicode.png

Tim Stone

ICYMI, Alsup's middle name is literally Haskell and in the first trial he taught himself Java so he'd have at least a basic understanding of the material

Lazers 2.0

15:51

0

Q: Is there an easy way to produce or upgrade a lot of ships?

The way I make ships now is to click on each planet, go to the ships tab and add a corvette. If you've got 20 planets spread over 4 sectors however that takes a long time. Is there an option to quickly build 20 ships spread over my 20 planets? I'm pretty sure I could do it in EU4. The same with...

stellaris

SaintWacko

Well this is interesting

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