The Bridge

tzenes

00:08

hey guys

LessPop_MoreFizz

hiya

WillfulWizard

hello!

tzenes

how's life?

FallenAngelEyes

Heyas

WillfulWizard

crickets Work still for me...

tzenes

00:10

so everyone is just kind of lurking in here

WillfulWizard

Camping the spawn point is a perfectly legit strategy. :)

Also a nice feed of the new questions.

tzenes

I've been having a very frustrating day at work and I decided to end it with some Bavarian style festival

WillfulWizard

Good choice. Enjoy!

tzenes

will do.

usually when I get this frusterated its pyramid and dynasty warriors

FallenAngelEyes

yay escapism

tzenes

00:17

Now if I could go back to the three kingdoms period...

LessPop_MoreFizz

01:44

So tempted to add a Close as Dupe vote...

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Q: Gaming Branding, Take Three: One Sentence Elevator Pitch

In the latest development of SE sites' branding, Robert writes: I have a feeling that the real heart of the issue is that everyone thinks naming is hard. That’s not completely true, the truth is finding a .com domain name for a matching good name is hard… Since finding a .com do...

Jeff Atwood

02:20

hopefully the chat house ad will drive a few more people to chat

I don't "get" Minecraft. It must be good because people rave about it

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:7546 @badp didn't 'get' it either. Now he's an addict.

it's a pure sandbox. Ever built stuff with Legos just to build stuff? It's like that, except there are scary monsters that can kill you and destroy your fantastic log cabin.

Jeff Atwood

02:52

I like killing though.

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I mean, in games, I like stuff and bad dudes to blow up when I point and them and click.

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LessPop_MoreFizz

:7551 Yeah, Minecraft isn't about killing things, it's about building things and trying to stay alive.

Raven Dreamer

Is it wrong that I joined chat because I recognized Jeff's avatar on the chat sidebar? -_-

LessPop_MoreFizz

Not if you stay anyway.

Raven Dreamer

Well, with a spotty wi-fi connection... who knows? Haha.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7556 That's actually one thing that impresses me about SO chat - it handles interrupted connections amazingly.

I'll close my laptop, drive to another location 15 mins away, and open it back up, read 20 lines of chat I missed, and it's like I never left.

Mechko

03:08

sup all

LessPop_MoreFizz

Evenin'

Mechko

I ate today for the first time this week :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@JeffAtwood was just telling us about his struggle to suppress his murderous impulses.

Also, food sounds like a good idea. I should maybe get around to getting myself some of that stuff.

Jeff Atwood

I don't have time to play many games any more.. but I am blocking off a few days for Rock Band 3

fakeplasticrock.com/2010/09/rock-band-3-video-previews

:7554 hey our chat house ads are already working!

LessPop_MoreFizz

I've never been big into the whole music game thing. The genre just doesn't do it for me.

Jeff Atwood

03:13

I love music

Diadistis

wow, nice work here jeff :) any plans for SO too?

LessPop_MoreFizz

I probably love music more than anyone in this room. I just dislike playing a plastic guitar in time to it.

Jeff Atwood

did you watch the videos? the pro modes are real guitar now

real keyboard, real drums (4 pads, 3 cymbals), etc

follow my link and watch those videos.. trust me

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yep, it's quite impressive. :) But I'm not a musician. Just a huge rock-nerd. They're awesome party games, but I just find no fun in playing them solo, or even sober.

Raven Dreamer

Too bad the rockband/guitar hero kits are so pricey. Like buying a new console.

But hey -- on that note, I heard the 3DS got a price and date for Japan.

LessPop_MoreFizz

03:17

:7576 Ooh. Any idea what the price converts to in $ to get a US price estimate?

Raven Dreamer

I'll put it this way

The launch price for the 3DS in Japan, is the same as the laucnh price for the Wii in Japan.

Which works out to be approximately $300 -- though the US launch of the Wii was only at $250.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yeah, thats normal though

you can usually adjust down from the Yen->dollar conversion just because the overall cost of sale/unit is lower in the states IIRC.

Jeff Atwood

I guess for me playing on the drums, guitar, vocals is another way to experience the music beyond just passively listening

Raven Dreamer

What's autocomplete for chat?

Anyway...

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7583 Yeah, and I can understand that. I go the dancing about architechture route.

Jeff Atwood

03:22

keyboard + harmonies is gonna be nice too, you can have a 7 person band: guitar, bass, drums, vocals x 3, keyboard

Raven Dreamer

@JeffAtwood have you seen/heard of Audiosurf / Beat Hazard, etc?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7585 It's easier to just click the arrow to the right of the line you're responding too. Then you get the linkback too

Jeff Atwood

yeah I tried audiosurf and it didn't work for me

use up arrow to edit @RavenDreamer

Raven Dreamer

Wait -- is the chat the thing that's making my computer beep? I thought my RAM was dying again or something... >.<

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7593 Yea, that's chat, notifying you of a mention. Adjust settings w/ little speaker in top right.

Jeff Atwood

03:23

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I want that experience with those people

the singer in the Misfits shirt cracks me the hell up

Raven Dreamer

I think one of my favorite music/rhythm games is Elite Beat Agents for the DS. It's a game starring a team of superhero cheerleaders who dash off around the world to inspire people to do better through the power of rock.

I feel like there's a social commentary somewhere in there.

Jeff Atwood

I did like Elite Beat Agents

I wish they'd make that for iPhone

Raven Dreamer

I'm surprised with the niche the iPhone has carved for itself in regards to gaming, actually.

Jeff Atwood

my current favorite iPhone game

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LessPop_MoreFizz

:7604 Texting of the bread is amazing.

Jeff Atwood

03:31

yeah, to me, the mobile market is dead -- it's all iPhone / iTouch now

why would you carry another device when your phone is a great gaming device?

(although touch controls and tilt have their limitations)

I wish Apple wouldn't be such dicks about not allowing buttons on the device

Raven Dreamer

I have an 8 gig iTouch, but I haven't done anything with it ever. It holds my music, and is plugged into an "alarm clock". That's about it. :/

I might be inclined to buy an iPhone eventually, but let's face it -- American Cell phone companies are pretty pisspoor.

Jeff Atwood

it's all about the retina display and the A4. iPhone wasn't good until 3GS.

and once you go hi-res, my god, there is no going back

LessPop_MoreFizz

the iphone isn't ideal as a gaming device (cf. buttons), but it's good enough that I don't want to carry my DS anywhere.

Jeff Atwood

I was going to keep my (old) 3gs and I just couldn't bear to look at the screen any more

hi-res breaks you

Raven Dreamer

Actually, now that I think about it...

Jeff Atwood

03:34

wait I got a screenshot

Raven Dreamer

My college's CSC department has the intermediate java class programming on smartphones

'course, this was the semester after I had taken it.... :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7620 That'll be all or at least mostly Android then. iPhone is all obj C

Raven Dreamer

Yeah, it was for android.

I confess, I'm ignorant; what's the difference between C++ and objective C?

Jeff Atwood

click and weep

it took me forever to find that because it was in my c:\working folder :P

like I said: hi-res breaks something inside you. can't go back. It's like going from dialup to broadband internet.

Raven Dreamer

:7628 leeching wi-fi after two years of a T1 university connection is likewise debilitating. :/

Well, not leeching. But the verb fits the relative speed. :P

Jeff Atwood

03:41

I just realized the chat house ad needs to prioritize scheduled room events

Raven Dreamer

Good luck with that, Jeff.

I'm leaving for now. Goodbye, everyone

Jeff Atwood

ok I am out for a bit.. I have this presentation tomorrow

badp

08:00

Morning

badp

12:51

yawn.

Arda Xi

14:16

I just got a "Congratulations, you've earned the right to retag and 3 others!" box. What I should have gotten was "Congratulations, you have lost the right to see deleted posts and 2 others!".

badp

:7650 Irony :P

btw

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↑ draft 5

Arda Xi

I wish I could post unlisted videos :(

badp

:7655 You can't?!

The option is right there in the Upload page...

Arda Xi

Nope

Not for me

I once used a music track which belonged to UMG, they took it down and now my account has bad rep.

badp

:/

Get a new account?

Arda Xi

14:20

(May I suggest more time between slides?)

badp

:7662 Yeah, I was going to short---

Arda Xi

Too much of a hassle

badp

what do you use then?

Arda Xi

I just don't upload videos there anymore

badp

I'm not aware of other sites accepting videogames videos

Arda Xi

14:22

There's plenty of videosites of course

I usually self-host anything

badp

by the way it's not something irreversible

> If you have an item pending against your account, you will not be able to create unlisted videos until this strike is resolved. Once your Account is in good standing with no listed strikes, you'll gain access to creating unlisted videos

Arda Xi

But just from the top of my head there's... Vimeo at least

badp

Never ever ever?

Arda Xi

:7672 Strike won't be resolved though

badp

Not even by removing the video?

That's a big load of bullshit then.

Wow.

Arda Xi

14:23

It isremoved

badp

Removed by you or by UMG?

:7681 That doesn't really remove it

Arda Xi

UMG

Well, I'd love to really remove it, were it not for the fact it no longer exists.

badp

not even here?

then it's real bad bullshit.

Arda Xi

That's why I no longer use YouTube

I'll handle any DMCA claims myself thank you very much

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A: What's best for hitting stuff with?

They are different in terms of reload time, however, they are not different in terms of damage done per hit. The differing reload times will make for an effective difference in DPS though. Melee weapons will one-shot all Common Infected on all difficulties. They will also one shot all Special Inf...

All the items do the same amount of damage?

badp

apparently, I don't have L4D2

also I wasn't aware the cop zombie was removed

quake-live.tv/live.php

Arda Xi

14:33

You should get it during the promotion :V

badp

promotion is over, I thought

Arda Xi

Hmm

Wasn't sure

Quake Live Live?

badp

yeah

2nd overtime

3rd now

gg

badp

14:52

hey @tzenes

Mana

15:28

ugh

so tired

shakes fist at university

at least it's Thanksgiving weekend now and I'm back home

FallenAngelEyes

@Mana ah, Canadian?

Happy Thanksgiving :)

Mana

16:43

man

I suck so much at Civ V, it's not even funny

I should probably look up guides on how to play

LessPop_MoreFizz

16:56

teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157292

Daniel Schaffer

17:14

I've got a slightly subjective question about XBox 360 console versions. Should I create question or just ask here?

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:7715 Feel free to run it past us if you're not sure.

Daniel Schaffer

I'm primarily a PC gamer, but I've become addicted to Rock Band, which I've been playing on a Wii. I've gotten frustrated with both the low video quality from the Wii, as well as the limited selection of songs (compared to what's available for the XBox at least).

Daniel Schaffer

I've never used/owned a 360, so I'm not sure which version of the XBox I'll need - I see there's the new 250GB version, which seems overkill, but the 4GB seems like it's a bit light. There's a 20GB refurb, but I don't understand if this is an older version. Assuming I don't plan on playing anything but various versions of Rock Band, which one should I get?

LessPop_MoreFizz

I think that could be phrased as a question without being too subjective.

i.e. 'How much hard drive space does Rock band for the xbox 360 use, accounting for DLC?"

I'd create a question for that.

Daniel Schaffer

Ah, lots of similar questions for that already, should be enough. Thanks!

Mana

17:41

NOOOO

ULTRALIIIIISK ;______;

badp

17:54

:7724 ?

LessPop_MoreFizz

18:05

:7726 I think he's referring to teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157292

Arda Xi

18:23

I'm getting a question I can answer every week or so now

Mana

@badp What LessPop said.

LessPop_MoreFizz

19:11

:7733 chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/rooms/12/new-site-design-feedback

Turrican

19:28

@LessPop_MoreFizz: thanks!

Arda Xi

19:51

:7744 When did you become room owner? :P

badp

:7746 when I asked balpha :)

Arda Xi

Right

badp

:7750 No, but it does hurt your fps

(Who knows what meaning of fps I used there)

C. Ross

@badp I'm glad you added the (:P) because I was about to ask if you were serious

badp

:7753 No worries, my humour is bad like that.

Arda Xi

19:57

More game-rec

badp

MOAR!

Arda Xi

More close-votes please, my comment fails without them.

badp

:7757 Sorry, I must stand by my meta post and answer with a link

Arda Xi

:7759 which?

badp

:7760 meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/997/…

Arda Xi

20:02

Interesting. Now what happens if there is more than one site?

badp

My answer is more about the very generic questions

:7762 I'd put both in my answer?

Arda Xi

:7766 I've said that for individual answers since Day 1

for some reason everyone disagreed with me

badp

"[This site] has flash based games, if you want something more, [this other article] may interest you."

Arda Xi

I've always said there should be one answer with all games

badp

Yeah, but the answer shouldn't contain the actual list.

It's also part of my point.

Arda Xi

20:04

So if there are multiple sites the answer should be a list while not being a list?

badp

A list of sites, not a list of games.

Arda Xi

Same thing on a different level

badp

We can't go back and update all lists as new games are released

Arda Xi

see this

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Q: Should we Link to Content or Contain content?

There have been a number of '[Game] [Craft/Class] Guide questions' today. While I think it'd be appropriate for those questions to be asked organically, I have an issue with the intentional 'seeding' of the questions because they produce a lot of unanswered questions with no indication that ther...

discussion guide-questions

badp

Yeah, but in this case containing content is toxic

> Why don't we keep lists up to date here? Because it is a bad idea. Every edit pollutes the homepage, stealing visibility from "big-Q" questions and truly making the site a worse place to be.

Arda Xi

20:05

Game-rec questions are toxic

badp

As Grace points out, we don't go back and edit old questions anyway.

:7781 Probably; mine is an attempt to come up with a safer way to handle 'em ;)

Arda Xi

If we can't accept them under accepted guidelines we should not accept them, period.

badp

Lists can be objectively compared

Games can't.

And as usual @Oak comes in when I'm arguing, you stalking tree.

Oak

But not with tzenes this time

badp

Yeah, so it must be me you're stalking!

Oak

20:07

Anyway, I +1ed that question. I was looking for a horse-themed game the other day for my niece, very relevant to my interests.

badp

Or maybe you just feel disturbances in the force as every page load on Gaming has the avatars moving back and forth

Arda Xi

:7785 I disagree, what would you objectively compare lists on?

Oak

Though I guess it's just a matter of time before the close police shuts it down :)

badp

:7792 Comprehensiveness. Presentation. Up-to-dateness.

@Oak I'm sorry I couldn't come up with a decent list :/

Arda Xi

:7794 Subjective. Subjective. Possibly objective.

badp

20:09

Probably though you may be interested in that steam game... sec.

Arda Xi

Additionally, no offence, but @Oak ruined your point by not conforming to it making it a standard (closable) game-rec question.

badp

:7798 what's our aim, to close the most questions or to solve problems?

Arda Xi

:7799 We've had this discussion many times. We want to be a quality site with quality answers to quality questions.

And as you said yourself:

in Bridge on Gaming Chat, Oct 9 at 20:05, by badp

> Why don't we keep lists up to date here? Because it is a bad idea. Every edit pollutes the homepage, stealing visibility from "big-Q" questions and truly making the site a worse place to be.

Oak

But we disagree on how game-recs should be handled. The other mods and myself are working on some final solution to the matter.

Oak

Or to be less vague, some solution that will force the community to reach a decision

Oak

20:15

and although I'm an avid game-rec fan, I would prefer a site with a clear policy over one without, even if that policy is against my preference.

badp

I'm sorry I can't find that game I was thinking about @Oak

It was on Steam; It had horse racing and chivalry; it had a demo; it's not on the list of demos anymore.

It wasn't based on the HL2 engine.

Oak

Well I gtg (iron man 2!), but if you remember then post it as an answer >:-)

badp

:7810 Can't :P

I'll @-reply you though

Oak

Cool

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7807 @oak was it Mount and Blade?

that has horses.

and chivalry.

and lots and lots and lots of over the top complexity

badp

20:28

:7815 Bingo!

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:58

Poor Terrans.

Arda Xi

I was looking at the box for SC2 in a shop today. It showed an in-game battle. All I could think was: "Damn that's a lot of units. How the hell would I manage to keep track of them all?"

badp

You know what, it's time we get a better name here than 'General'

especially now that the channel name is on the main page

come up with something good before I set the name to "LoveGaming™ ChronoWarping MultiLurker™" or something to that effect.

LessPop_MoreFizz

The Arcade?

badp

22:13

Upper Deck of the USS StackExchange™ "Ask Question" Mothership?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Upper Deck makes me think Baseball, not video games.

badp

What would that be called then?

Command Deck?

LessPop_MoreFizz

'Bridge' is the generally used term IIRC.

but I don't like that for this room. This is a social space, not the nerve center from which we run things.

badp

Well, the activity feed running here lets you control stuff and close bad questions as they are posted

In the meantime we pointlessly argue in circles about how stuff should be run

while sharing links to the gaming equivalent of kittens running full speed into table legs

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7836 that last part is IMPORTANT.

badp

22:24

The kittens part?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yes.

badp

Well, obviously.

Have you actually seen that presentation of that fake videogame?

I need to dig it up

Arda Xi

:7832 Mess Hall would be more appropriate

GnomeSlice

22:41

What's wrong with the name "General"? It's very easily understandable.

badp

It feels unimaginative. Unoriginal. Uninspired. Unfulfilling.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7845 you're unimaginative. Unoriginal. Uninspired. Unfulfilling.

badp

Yeah, or I'd have just chosen a name.

That's why I'm asking you artists :P

@Oak chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7815#7815

GnomeSlice

It's the internet. Unimaginative is a blessing.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7848 We have categorically demonstrated that we, as a community, are bad at naming things.

badp

22:44

:7851 Meh, this is a smaller scale thing we can rename at any point for any reason

There's less pressure to get it Right

LessPop_MoreFizz

I have come up with one good name for something ever, it was a terrible band I was in in college, and the only thing we had going for us was an awesome name. That was my great idea and now I'm out of them.

Oak

Thanks @LessPop, @badp, I'm familiar with that game (played an early version of it).

GnomeSlice

What was your band's name?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7856 Adam Smith and the Invisible Hands.

Oak

Though it is completely inappropriate for what I was asking

badp

22:45

Nite people

Oak

(and the OP)

LessPop_MoreFizz

We were going to release an album of Elvis Costello covers called Market Forces

GnomeSlice

I take it that didn't go so well.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:7862 Eh, it was a bunch of freshman getting drunk and making noise and coming up with bullshit ideas. We never even performed. But we had an awesome name.

GnomeSlice

That's more important than good sound anyway. ;)

I still don't see what's wrong with "General" as a room name...

GnomeSlice

23:03

On a side note, how much rep do I need to be able to create tags?

Arda Xi

150

GnomeSlice

Wait, that's it? Then a more pertinent question is probably 'How do I create tags?'

Arda Xi

(Re)tag a question with a tag that has never been used before.

GnomeSlice

That's it? Ha, wow. Thanks

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