The Bridge

Juan Manuel

18:10

:6530 I think you can edit the question if you like, it doesn't change what he's asking and it'll help him get the answer he needs

Some users don't know how to ask what they want to know :)

Jin

whew. just finished the captcha image

i hope you'll like it.. took me forever

Juan Manuel

when does the go live party begin?

WillfulWizard

:6553 I bet we will.

Jin

3pm EST, when we always launch our sites during the day

badp

that's 45 mins from now then

Juan Manuel

18:15

what time is it

oh

Jin

been doing web design for 15years, i still get that butterfly in the stomach feeling everytime a site's about to go live..

Juan Manuel

thanks

badp

@Juan, well? aren't you adding the event to the room then?

Juan Manuel

what time would that be in UTC?

badp

19:00

(I would've done it for ya but obviously...)

Juan Manuel

18:18

done

Jin

i'll be making a post after the new design goes live. to recap on certain things. but if you do find css bugs later, please start a new post about them, instead of replying to my thread.

Juan Manuel

it's been a nice ride since the definition phase

Jin

yeah, time really flies.

C. Ross

Pleasure working with you all :-)

badp

er, is it over or something?

Jin

18:21

i wish i can make the rocket on Area51 to be animated and fly/land on the moon when is proposal graduates from beta

@badp game over man

badp

gg

see you around then

Jin

@badp just kidding. thanks for your help with testing the linux rendering

Juan Manuel

gl hf

badp

:6576 you're welcome (actually if you need help with other sites, feel free to poke)

GMail decided we're friends and added each other on GTalk anyway... <.<

Jin

@badp maybe the Ubuntu site!

badp

18:22

silly thing.

C. Ross

food next right?

Jin

webmasters

and cooking both will be next week

badp

gamedev?

C. Ross

cool :-)

badp

:6582 next up, we burn our $1k budget on Steam!!

Jin

18:23

we don't always go exactly as the area51 calendar, but should be fairly close to it

C. Ross

:6587 Who gets to partake in that?

Juan Manuel

I hope I can continue being a moderator, it's fun

badp

FIFO i say!

I actually don't have any issue with our current mod team, the three of you have been awesome

7

Juan Manuel

thanks; not a lot of work even, you guys keep everything clean just fine

C. Ross

True, it's a very active group of power users

badp

18:26

:6593 if you feel bored you know where /b/ is

Juan Manuel

lol

badp

they'll give you something to mod!

C. Ross

9 users who can vote-to-close

badp

with or without moderators?

C. Ross

not counting the mods

badp

18:27

awesome!

C. Ross

:6595 I want to make "This is not 4chan" part of rpg's faq

Juan Manuel

and 3,897 that can still help by flagging :)

badp

actually the text based 4chan forums can't be that bad, are they?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yes they can.

badp

okay. I'll trust you on that.

WillfulWizard

18:29

:6598 I'll help close bad things as soon as I can! More Civ V questions/answers tonight. :)

badp

I'm kinda worried about having only 9 people who can vote to reopen

Oak

ooo possible rep for me :)

badp

now those votes are the tricky ones

Oak

@badp you can also start a discussion on meta for cases you feel strongly about

Juan Manuel

:6611 +1

badp

18:30

tzenes will notice Bruce accepted his suggestion

Oak

btw @badp mission accomplished I see, 3k before beta ends :)

badp

aye aye, 3k before day 90 ended actually :)

(barely)

LessPop_MoreFizz

I'ma lose my close vote. :(

WillfulWizard

:6609 Yes you and @bwarner should be on the lookout. Tonight is my Civ night with friends. I'm going to start posting any questions they ask me, and give you guys a day to come up with a better answer than mine. Sadly for my rep, you guys are pretty good at it!

badp

A new girl in my life.... http://twitpic.com/2v6uc0

Tweeted by marcgravell on October 6, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Oak

18:35

Right... "sadly for my rep"... remind me again who had the greatest rep gain since civ5 came out ;)

badp

is it normal the first thing I saw there was the mobile? :/

C. Ross

:6619 Blasted websense blocking twitpic

Can you upload the pic here so I know what you're talking about?

Oak

btw @Willful Are you talking about waiting a day before accepting, or waiting a day before posting an answer?

WillfulWizard

:6621 Yeah, not a smart phone. :(

badp

:6623 you can circumvent that with the upload button :)

Oak

18:38

Because if you have already done some research, it's best you post it right away and save us the trouble of solving an already-solved problem

badp

:6625 That was my first phone ever!

Oak

Hmm now that I think about, the chat design will also change

Oak

I wonder if it will disconnect us

badp

yeah

WillfulWizard

:6624 waiting to post an answer. Then I'll accept a good answer if I have nothing to add. Otherwise, beware my charts/graphs!

C. Ross

18:38

:6628 yes, that's odd

WillfulWizard

:6629 Oh neat. nothing wrong with that.

badp

@badp lol - yes, an old (empty) case that has served as a child's toy and now (it seems) for the pooch.

Tweeted by marcgravell on October 6, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Oak

@Willful see my above sentence though, don't make us work for nothing

Oak

At least if serious research is involved.

WillfulWizard

:6637 Oh I see yes. hmm. I want to strike the right balance.

badp

18:42

"oh hi guys i herd expansion is like awesome can u tell me moar lol"

WillfulWizard

:6638 I see what you're saying. if the question begs serious research and I have done it, I will most definitely post it. I'm not expecting THAT many involved questions from my friends... yet.

Oak

Yes that's what I mean... but to be honest I have two questions-and-answers that require some research all ready, but I'm ashamed to post them.

Oak

Feels a lot like rep-whoring.

Oak

And yet posting only the questions without the answers feels stupid, it's asking other people to invest time into solving something I already solved

C. Ross

I don't understand the "feeling of rep-whoring" ... if you have good content, please share it with us

Oak

18:44

... maybe I'll open a meta question about it

C. Ross

we may reward you with rep if it's good stuff

Oak

@CRoss I think it's good in that it's of interest to me

badp

dinner now, bbl with the new design ;)

Oak

cya

WillfulWizard

46

Q: Should I not answer my own questions?

I asked a question recently, looking for examples of an online tool. Per the FAQ, I answered my own question with a few examples that I had already found. I did this so that these examples would be included in the answers, along with the rest. The question has received only down votes and insult...

I bet you've seen already but its really just fine.

Oak

18:48

Haven't seen that

Oak

Interesting. Well, gtg

Oak

be back to the new site later :)

WillfulWizard

@oak farewell.

Now I think we can only wait for the end of the world as we know it. :D

Macha

So, launching soon? It's been fun, sketchy theme :P

Arda Xi

So, I just got here, we're launching today?

C. Ross

18:50

Party on the other side :-) ...

WillfulWizard

10 mins it seems

Macha

@ArdaXi Nice timing :P

tzenes

:6613 I'd now withdraw my close vote, if I could. If it does become closed I'll vote to reopen

Macha

Now to stare at the mod tools one last time

LessPop_MoreFizz

so it was pointed out to me that The Gaps new logo makes them look like a software company

and now I can't unsee it

C. Ross

18:53

:6665 I think I'll join you

tzenes

What do you mean "one last time"?

WillfulWizard

some of us are losing mod tools, for a time.

Macha

Making use of my close votes too :P

WillfulWizard

assuming rep requirements are set to what they are on webapps.

Macha

@tzenes I won't have 10k rep for a looooong time

LessPop_MoreFizz

18:54

@macha Ooh! good idea, time to go down the front page and vote to close on EVERYTHING

tzenes

I was making a joke @Macha

also, I am willing to reopen this question: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/8517/…

Macha

Release dates, guessing on the future, bad.

tzenes

I said as much

C. Ross

Why are we re-opening it?

Macha

3 reopen already?

tzenes

18:56

but if he's willing to change it to: just "what information is there, and how do I find it" then I am willing to reopen it

C. Ross

true ...

my first re-open vote ... it feels strange

Arda Xi

7

Q: Asking about upcoming game releases

Is it OK to ask for information about an upcoming game? When is Halo 4 coming out? Or is this too speculative/subjective?

discussion speculation upcoming-games

tzenes

If you look at the discussion @arda linked, its on a case by case basis. Since he was willing to change his question to: What information has come out pertaining to the move to beta I'm willing to say this is now a valid question

Macha

Oh, fine.

Arda Xi

:6686 Just trying to help. :-)

So, one minute left?

LessPop_MoreFizz

18:59

I'm not sure why this was closed:

Arda Xi

Do we get a countdown? :D

C. Ross

yes

LessPop_MoreFizz

2

Q: Are there any Gameboy (color) emulators which have joypad support?

I'm looking for a Gameboy color emulator which supports Joypads, but so far I can't find one I have a logitech USB controller (looks same as PS2 / PS3 pad) and would like to use it to play old gameboy and gameboy color games I've tried these so far but no luck DreamGBC GNUBoy PlayGuy

emulator gameboy

now that I'm on a votin' spree.

Macha

Emulators are off topic, I think.

C. Ross

Do you want it re-opened?

and don't we have a room for this?

Arda Xi

19:00

10

Q: What's the official stance on console emulation?

The way I see it, many of us enthusiasts are probably familiar with emulation and use emulators to play classic games. (I do, I'll readily admit.) However, it's also fairly likely that many cartridge/disc/tape/etc. rips for said emulators are ... well ... not 100% legal, at least in the U.S., an...

discussion site-policies faq

Now that I'm on a meta-linking spray

Macha

We do, but everyone is in here to celebrate the impending launch

Arda Xi

:6697 Segregation works counter-productively

tzenes

I guess technically that question isn't restricted

but its very close to the edge

LessPop_MoreFizz

:6695 Emulators are not off topic, any more than console hardware questions.

C. Ross

:6701 I don't like to bore people with my list of close this today

tzenes

19:01

@Cross sometimes its easier to form a lynch mob if you go to a place where a lot of people are

also: underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/…

LessPop_MoreFizz

If chat was busier, I'd be fine with moving things off to another room. There just aren't enough of us that segregating it makes any sense.

Macha

Summarising the meta link, Basically, if it's about the emulator, it's Off topic, if it's about the game in the emulator, it's ok. Right? And that's about the emulator

tzenes

talk about logo changes

LessPop_MoreFizz

:6710 it looks like a software company

tzenes

Thats what I said

C. Ross

19:03

It does ...

Macha

Am I the only person who's not overtly bothered by this design change?

Arda Xi

:6715 Nah

tzenes

I'm not bothered

it is weird

I guess I don't care because I don't shop at the Gap

Mike Fielden

I am also not bothered

Jin

speaking of the Gap logo, here's an interesting read: drawar.com/posts/The-World-isn-t-a-Dribbble-Showcase

i shamefully participated in the debate...

C. Ross

19:05

So, what is our celebration music going to be? Link the youtubes

Arda Xi

Aren't we 5 minutes overdue?

Macha

Yes

WillfulWizard

I'm sure they're working hard.

Although I'm considering trying some cache clearing soon...

C. Ross

No, I tried that already

LessPop_MoreFizz

FIIIIIXXX IIIIIT JIIIIIIIIN.

I want my badge coins and spaceship.

Arda Xi

19:07

►

Jin

it's beyond my control now! the tech team is handling the launch.

soon though

Macha

All the SE sites just stopped working for me for a few moments. Thought we'd launched :(

badp

:6734 indeed

actually gaming isn't loading yet

oh, there it is.

WillfulWizard

Considers the effect of all of us banging on the server when they're trying to do stuff

Presses reload again

badp

reopen now or "never"

5

Q: What are the most notable new things in Black Ops?

What are the most notable new features and things in Black Ops, not available in Modern Warfare 2 and previous CoDs? E.g. I heard you can change your outfit.

call-of-duty-black-ops

Macha

19:12

Ctrl-R Ctrl-R Ctrl-R Ctrl-R Ctrl-R Ctrl-R

badp

> While I agree in principle, Black Ops is out in just a month or so. A lot is already know about the game, including perks and weapons, new game modes, and new features like points and character customization. – Wikwocket 19 hours ago

WillfulWizard

@badp then shouldn't it be edited to say "what is know to be different" rather than "what is notable"?

badp

:6744 Not all things known different are worth mentioning?

like the menus, the name, the icon, ... :P

WillfulWizard

I suppose not. It still sounds to me like its inviting more speculation than sourced facts.

Macha

We're up!

Jin

19:15

it's live gents 'n gals

2

WillfulWizard

I wish I could put my finger on why, although you have beaten my first thought.

badp

WE ARE LAIVE!

Macha

Oh god: gaming.stackexchange.com/tools

Jin

now i'll take your abuse on meta..

badp

well the design is

Macha

19:15

On the one hand, I still have access, on the other, the design is borked on that page

badp

not really

Macha

Never mind

The black header wasn't

Seemed to be a loading problem

Jin

we're still doing some settings on the server.

so give it a few mins before some oddities go away..

WillfulWizard

I haven't found the empty hearts yet...

Arda Xi

It's a beauty

badp

19:17

Macha: I think it's normal to have answers and question look differently

Macha

@badp The black background for the header wasn't there temporarily on the mod tools. Rendering all text there unreadable. But loaded now, so seems like a connection/cache issue of some sort

badp

oh, okay.

Macha

Seen meta?

tzenes

@Jin can you make the font darker? Light green + white = puke

Macha

5

A: Any news about our launch? (When do I get my shiny coin-badges?)

We are launched!

:P

Jin

19:19

@tzenes sure.

WillfulWizard

is it just me, or is the Gaming.Meta logo getting cut off?

Macha

Just you, I think

C. Ross

@Jin Are they not changing the rep scale right away?

badp

@CRoss they're working on it... I'm afraid :D

Juan Manuel

:6772 me too, but I thought the logo was going to change

Macha

19:21

Is that an AT-AT in the footer? :P

Jin

@WillfulWizard do a hard refresh.

badp

@JuanManuel shift-f5

or ctrl-f5

Jin

@CRoss what do you mean by rep scale?

Juan Manuel

nice

badp

or whatever the correct invocation is

WillfulWizard

19:22

@Juan @Jin, yeah I was going to start clearing caches and such.

badp

10k for tools, 3k for edit, 2k for close, still not implemented

Arda Xi

Meta logo is still the old one

C. Ross

What abilities at what rep

badp

:6786 chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6779#6779

Macha

On short pages, like gaming.stackexchange.com/users, on 1440x900, there's a white box under the footer (not down far enough)

Arda Xi

19:22

:6788 I did clear my cache, duh

Macha

@ArdaXi Nope, it's changed.

C. Ross

Rep Privileges

Juan Manuel

it's so weird

my eyes need to adjust

I was so used to the old theme :)

badp

:6790 sstatic.net/gamingmeta/img/logo.png

tzenes

@Jin I don't know you're still going to have to play around with the green on white, the two colors don't go well together

badp

19:24

The two images above should be about the same :)

WillfulWizard

I found the empty hearts!

Jin

@tzenes i'll darken it a lot.

Arda Xi

C. Ross

Yeah, I love 404

Jin

do you love the captcha? :)

Arda Xi

19:25

:6804 How do we hit that quickly? :)

WillfulWizard

oh, I have not seen the captcha yet...

C. Ross

:6804 I see no pictures

WillfulWizard

maybe we could sandbox then kill a question?

Macha

@ArdaXi Ctrl-f5, ctrl-r, few variations for different browsers :P

Juan Manuel

I'd like to see the number of votes in answers a little bigger

C. Ross

19:26

Ctrl-Shift-r is hard refresh for FF

Macha

Nice captcha

Juan Manuel

but i'll post that in meta later

C. Ross

gaming.stackexchange.com/captcha

Arda Xi

lovely

and the reCAPTCHA says "no patience"

badp

C. Ross

19:27

Do the captcha robots not show up for anyone else in IE7?

WillfulWizard

:6804 I love the captcha. Do we still need an error image?

badp

that and the chat CSSSSSSSSS, I guess?

Jin

@WillfulWizard i haven't done error image for gaming and webapps. my plan is to get community's input on that.

but it will be done..

badp

:6821 actually

10

Q: The site should use a Killscreen image for HTTP/500 Server Error pages

As badp proposed in chat, this site should use a killscreen image for HTTP/500 Server Error error pages:

feature-request top-7 site-attributes error-page

WillfulWizard

:6824 I'm not in love with that anymore, especially with our Heart theme going on.

Maybe a broken heart?

badp

19:31

:6826 That's our 404 image

balpha

congrats guys!

badp

thanks @balpha

Arda Xi

Does chat get a new design too?

badp

are you joining here to ruin the party and crack the rep requirements back up to 11? :P

Jeff Atwood

chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/rooms/12/new-site-design-feedback

2

WillfulWizard

19:31

:6827 I was imagining it somehow different... I'm not sure how to describe

balpha

:6830 yes, won't be too long

Jeff Atwood

please keep design feedback in the room I set up ^^

badp

the room non-owners could migrate the last few hours there

Elpezmuerto

ya we launched! that was nice surprise after a meeting

Elpezmuerto

I like everything but is it just me or is the question title font little too pixelation and blocky?

Macha

19:35

Off to play L4D, bye all

Jin

chat will get a face lift too, but not as dramatic as the main site.

Elpezmuerto

what are you think for the chat design?

WillfulWizard

we already have a logo in the bottom irhgt.

:6850 reread your msg. sorry.

Elpezmuerto

:6854 I moved to the other chat, thanks for pointing it out

WillfulWizard

:6848 mostly just colors? I don't see a whole lot of images in chat as it is.

Jin

19:38

@WillfulWizard yeah.

badp

:6802 click upload here, paste in the logo URL and press submit, you'll get the new logo. Then go fix your cache

balpha

F5 for your new design

Jin

for the chatroom

badp

cool.

Juan Manuel

19:59

goodbye beta!

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1338/gaming

badp

Juan Manuel

:6906 yes, nice

badp

20:11

holy

rockpapershotgun.com/2010/10/06/left-4-minecraft-blocky-modding

badp

20:38

are the rep requirements cached too?

I mean, I wouldn't complain if they were kept them where they are, but it's a bit incoherent. We can afford having close at 3k, whereas other Area51 graduates I shall not name really don't

FallenAngelEyes

ooh new design

Mmm, I find the font for the name/rep/log out/etc. row at the top a bit small

WillfulWizard

20:55

:6934 you should either post that on meta or...

chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/rooms/12/new-site-design-feedback

FallenAngelEyes

Ah, thanks

Juan Manuel

weird that we haven't had a single post about the design in the main site

Jin

it's possible a lot people are seeing cached, or half cached site

Juan Manuel

maybe... I was prepared to migrate a lot of posts to meta, but nothing

Macha

Guess I'm not playing L4D today...

Updates :(

Arda Xi

21:07

:6960 Shame. The Sacrifice is great. (I only played the L4D2 version though)

I killed myself to save a bunch of AI teammates. A new low.

Macha

lol

But then they all die too :P

Arda Xi

Nope, they survived

They were in the "rescue vehicle"

Macha

So, how does The Sacrifice rate amongst the other L4D and L4D2 campaigns? I have them both. (I was playing 1 because my friend doesn't)

Arda Xi

It's "Crash Course" length

not a lot in terms of map features

a bit bland

Macha

My favourite is the concert one on L4D2 :P

Arda Xi

21:09

(It incorporates the exact map of The Passing too)

Me too

Still, I think that a human sacrificing himself for AI violates Asimov's laws... somehow.

badp

Asimov didn't consider the 4th law

FallenAngelEyes

I was pleasantly surprised with the L4D comics

Juan Manuel

:6984 he did

FallenAngelEyes

I thought they were pretty well done

Arda Xi

:6984 Identification or procreation?

Three Laws of Robotics

The Three Laws of Robotics, often shortened to The Three Laws or Three Laws, are a set of three rules written by science fiction author Isaac Asimov and later expanded upon. These rules are built in to almost all positronic robots appearing in his fiction and cannot be bypassed. The rules are introduced in his 1942 short story Runaround although they were foreshadowed in a few earlier stories. The Three Laws of Robotics are as follows: #A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. #A robot must obey any orders given to it by human being...

badp

21:11

> 4. A robot may injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm if it earns the human an achievement.

6

Arda Xi

Anyway, the AI of L4D2 violated the first law

badp

↑ use 'em close votes while you still have them, guys!

Juan Manuel

woot, I just got my founder badge on Area51

finally

badp

I wasn't active during definition :/

FallenAngelEyes

Congrats @Juan!

Juan Manuel

21:16

Now to work on getting commitment on the other site I'd really like: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1623/…

FallenAngelEyes

I don't see the new favicon being used on the chat site or the main site, but I do see it on meta. Anyone else have this prob?

Arda Xi

So, not at all to say that our pro-tem team hasn't been great, not at all, but are we getting elections now that we're launched or are we keeping these?

badp

:7011 it's your cache

Macha

I've committed, but I might uncommit. Don't think I'll actually be able to participate enough, @JuanManuel

Juan Manuel

:7012 the elections will be in about 30 days

:7015 :(

badp

21:17

One more countdown!

WillfulWizard

:7011 I had a favicon problem for a while, but if you visit the favicon url, then reload, and reload again on the main site, it is fixed.

gaming.stackexchange.com/favicon.ico

FallenAngelEyes

Ah ha, thanks much @WillfulWizard

WillfulWizard

Or at least that fixed it for me.

FallenAngelEyes

I love seeing the little pixelated hearts open on my tabs :P

Arda Xi

:7017 Same here, I'd love to commit but I doubt I can make the commitment

badp

21:28

I suck at writing.

Besides, I've poured "so much" energy in Gaming it'll be quite some time before I commit to anything else.

badp

21:42

I wish I had ownership here, for lack of anything better I'll add the moderator elections event to some other room

chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/7/…

balpha

:7028 I guess it's fine to make you owner here

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