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21:03
anybody on?
No.
No
@Yuuki wtf that poor cat
@Yuuki Man, Jackie Chan is awesome
Jackie Chan isn't the best
As much as you are allowed to be wrong on the Internet, try to not let everyone know how wrong you are.
Yes, he is
21:12
how?
There are plenty of people who do Kung-Fu
Yes, there are
And Jackie Chan is the best of them
What makes Jackie Chan so good?
I don't understand the question
He's Jackie Chan
user15026
The fact that he is Jackie Chan.
to me he's just another guy who can do Kung-Fu.
user15026
21:14
To each their own I suppose
3 mins ago, by Yuuki
As much as you are allowed to be wrong on the Internet, try to not let everyone know how wrong you are.
many people that do Kung Fu, do it because of Jackie Chan
whatever.
got2go. cya ya;ll
And also the movies he actually directs are really good.
The fight choreography is great.
@gamer103 cya
21:23
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I should stop getting killed by enter the gungeon bosses.
@Arperum They're so much more difficult than the actual level, though
I mean, I'm only far enough in the game to open the first shortcut
@Powerlord I have not been able to beat a single boss.
@Arperum ...ouch.
I got close a couple times, but damn.
21:25
Enter the Gungeon is far worse than Binding of Isaac when it comes to RNG.
@Powerlord I did 100% afterbirth yesterday though :D
Took me long enough.
And the other thing about Enter the Gungeon, with the exception of the one gun whose description literally tells you that it's the worst gun in the game (the Klobb I think it is), you don't necessarily know how terrible a weapon is against a boss.
"I don't participate in any culture." - Person in my class
Wow, you're so edgy.
"I don't ever lie." - Donald Trump
Just as true as the statement made by the person in Yukki's class.
"I don't even celebrate my own birthday." - Same person in my class
Yeah. Okay.
21:30
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Q: Hacking Rom Files

Donovan Cunningham So far all I've been able to do is cry as everything comes out looking like it went through a cheese grater. Are there any tutorials to put me on the right track?

I forget my own birthday sometimes. Doesn't mean I don't have a culture.
@Yuuki wouldn't he be participating in the "Other" culture then?
or "not participating in any common culture" culture
Which is why I'm rolling my eyes at him.
Or maybe he's saying he's an uncultured fool
Culture is part of the human condition, or the sapient condition if aliens exist. You can't not participate in culture.
21:36
Maybe they're a living culture void where things get less interesting the closer you get to them.
Which is probably accurate
Topical:
He fits at least 50% of that description
Maybe their culture is not liking yours.
21:37
yes that's the p-word
the p-word has been deployed
user15026
@Yuuki That doesn't make any logical sense
@Yuuki I don't really like celebrating my birthday either tbh
user15026
@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment Wouldn't this go against the whole Anonymous thing? Then again I dunno, never participated in any of those, maybe there is a market for it
Man, this guy seems like the stereotypical college freshman hipster.
Hahahahahahaha yup
21:40
Also, funnest word I learned recently: Opprobrium
@Yuuki well, he doesn't participate in culture, so he probably dislikes the cultural standard of the given name and family surname
I remember my freshman comp-sci class. A guy who walked around and gave everyone a burned copy of Slackware saying, "Get rid of Windows from your PCs now, it is a cancer and you will not get a good job by using it."
clearly he must have been born anew in his true self-developed OC Sonic Fanfiction identity
Before the professor said, "So we're doing all of our C examples on the windows lab boxes..."
he just doesn't tell you about it because, well, it's not in his culture to do so
@MadMAxJr he isn't wrong hides
dunno about slackware though
21:42
@AshleyNunn Feels like a similar kind of thing to me. You talk between other members in both places
@badp C# seems to be pretty popular
also, screen names
@badp Uh. I make a rather respectable living support Windows apps.
or .net, I guess
@Chippies we're talking C though.
21:42
Granted, the apps themselves are pieces of shit, but...
I made a respectable living building C#/.NET apps before I had a mental breakdown and switched to building helpdesk systems.
Is anybody still making new thing in C for Windows?
@badp I think we're talking about not getting a job on windows
I don't even know if it's possible
I still make well above the average supporting the shit.
21:43
good point
yes there's definitely jobs to be found in the MS world.
Not sure anybody is doing actual software in C on windows, but we were learning fundamentals.
Slackware guy tried to protest the professor that it's oppression that he can't do his work on a linux C compiler.
And that he's getting kickbacks from Microsoft.
persecution etc
Which... is slightly true since the professor was our MSDN Academic Alliance rep.
but honestly if you're learning to develop in C, Linux is by-and-large the better choice for actual technical reasons, including strace, man, and, well, the kernel itself being written in C.
"Oh, by the way class, the free Vista keys are here."
The second comp-sci class did C lessons on linux boxes.
21:45
@MadMAxJr at least he didn't simply assume that you would all already have Windows installed
The reasoning was that coming into a freshman comp-sci course, MS would be more familiar to most students.
I dunno how far along had virtualization gotten
@MadMAxJr Good lord, "oppression"? Was he some kind of weird parody amalgam of a SJW and a neckbeard?
he could do his assignments in his Vista VM shrug
@Yuuki Back in 2001 no less.
21:46
@MadMAxJr well then I guess that might even classify as best of both worlds, now you kinda know what each OS's API is like
The vista thing was much much later. He was just a nice professor
@Yuuki Being told you can't use software X, and must use hated software Y instead can lead to some very irrational choices.
I only really have studied the Linux kernel and api
user15026
@GnomeSlice Yeah, that makes sense. :) I'd just not want to risk anyone getting into any issues because of it, but you make a good point
I think the professor just didn't want to have to evaluate the code for the possible behavior differences in compilers and slightly different code between the two.
21:47
@MadMAxJr I don't know what API you wrote the code against
I don't recall either.
but the APIs afaik can be vastly different
I just know it made Slackware man very red in the face and angry.
what kinda programs were you writing?
Fundamental stuff. Here's If logic. Here's Do logic.
21:48
I mean I guess printf(), malloc(), free() and friends were mostly the same.
I'm sorry, I neglected an important detail here. C++
@Chippies my entire job revolves around working on a platform build on .net
@MadMAxJr wait what
"You're oppressing me by forcing me to write with <certain compiler>. I think everyone should be forced to use <other compiler> that I like instead."
C transitioning into C++, or C++ the entire time and you just confused us all?
21:49
I haven't used it in like 10 years, sorry. and that class was almost 15 years ago.
Fair enough
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Q: Cannot get Steam Controller to work with FIFA16 (Origin)

AndreaM16I recently bought a Steam Controller and it works very well with all the Steam games and features. Some days ago I bought FIFA16 and, as you probably know, it is an EA game accessible only by Origin. I'm really struggling trying to get the steam controller to work properly with FIFA16. I alredy ...

Pretty sure we did C++ for fundamentals, and C for the tier 2 course.
@Yuuki So, since he's being oppressed, his opinion should have more weight and thereby oppress everyone else?
Then I met my assembler professor who I can only assume is a robot.
21:50
We started in C++, did C and Java in Operating Systems, and did C, Go, and Java in Unix Programming
can i add a class to plain-text in html5?
We used C in operating systems and Networking. Java was used for webserver development.
er, webapp development
@MadMAxJr that is so backwards, but at least each language matches the relevant kernels
The capstone course was the best. Software Development and Design.
We were intentionally given a not-the-best software package. Game Maker 6.
This is where I come to the realization that I know like, 6 or 7 languages proficiently, and 3 or 4 to some smaller degree
21:51
"In the real world you may not be given the best tools to work with."
man, so close
had they chosen rpg maker, you would've actually used ruby
THEN you would've been in trouble!!!
@MadMAxJr Which is when you throw it out and find a better version.
BUYING A HOUSE IS STRESSING ME OUT!!!
I was given Dreamweaver to debug classic ASP websites in.
@MadMAxJr they should have given you notepad and a compiler
21:52
I went, "Screw this noise", and downloaded Visual Studio Web Express.
@MadMAxJr You can still do a lot with GM
Slackware man demanded he be allowed to write his game project in C. They did not finish the course because he insisted his team write their own graphics calls and not use an established set.
@MBraedley the fun part is that by the time you look at the house and decide that it might be worth putting an offer on it, it's already sold
@MadMAxJr ouch
@MBraedley it's the worst
I mean
21:53
@MadMAxJr Sucks for his team, wow
@Chippies No, that's already happened. Twice
@Frank which was worse, the IDE or the language?
finding a place to rent was the worst
@MBraedley Just breathe, man.
@MBraedley happened to us 3 times
2 of which we didn't even get to look at
21:53
It is a ton of stress, yup.
so I don't want to know about what the worser would be like
But it's so worth it.
@badp urmotherboard is the worst
@Dragonrage my worst motherboard is back in Italy
@GodEmperorDune IDE. WYSIWYG editors for backend programming languages are the worst.
21:54
My team of 4 planned a dirt simple top-down shooter. Guy with the mac, you're our sound and music guy. 3.9 GPA guy, you're writing our badguy AI. I dug up our sprites from free-to-use sourceable sites and made some from scratch. Our fourth guy did code patchwork so all our parts fit together.
And we had a 3 level tank war game.
@MadMAxJr I'm surprised that he didn't insist on creating his own programming language for the project.
My dad is going to lose his job soon and he doesn't think anybody needs what he does any more
@GnomeSlice that really sucks
low level something or other
@MadMAxJr wat
21:55
So, the counter offer was supposed to be here by 5 today, but they had four people listed as sellers, but two of them are in New Brunswick (at best 2 hours away by car), so they have to sign electronically, but apparently that didn't happen.
Yeah, well, his division isn't part of the family
We learned the A* algorithm is awesome.
And I need to get all my other documents together.
@badp My reaction too. His 'purist' code method went a bit too far.
@MadMAxJr how would you rate the A* algo in a scale from doing raw opengl by hand to vanishing glass tiles
21:56
@badp Umm. According to undertale, all code problems should be covered with glass tiles.
yes.
Our A* worked. We just didn't tell people our homing missiles and the infantry badguys used the same seeker routine.
Slackware dude definitely sounds like the kind of guy who may be talented at what he does but will get nowhere because he's not practical and nobody wants to work with him.
That is exactly what he was.
He was dedicated to doing things 'right' but he failed to take into account things like time and resources.
Also he refused to believe others could be right and he be wrong.
to be fair, if he learns about that in university, well, he's learning in university, and that's kind of the whole point
21:59
@MadMAxJr I've worked with someone like that.
And maybe that what's "right" in one sense may be "wrong" in another.
@Yuuki yea, ive had a few of those in my classes over my college days
He configured a server according to "best practices", signed off on it being ready to go, and when we switched over, everything blew up.
that sounds familiar
It took me a couple hours to figure out what he had done.
It was an internal web server.
And he had left the Windows firewall on. So no web page could be served.
22:00
My assembler professor stopped his lecture one day. We had three chalkboards. "Everyone, stop for just a moment. I need to try this." And he started writing on the boards.
And he wouldn't turn it off.
Lines of assembler code and some notes in his margins.
Once he filled in the boards, he sat down at his terminal, put it in.
@Frank whoooooooooooops
After a couple fixes, it compiled. "HAH!. Class, I just wrote how to solve arctan(x) in Assembler off the top of my head."
@badp And production was down, and he still refused to disable the firewall. Said it wasn't best practices.
22:01
I don't know if he was messing with us or not, but he was a strange man.
@Frank to be fair punching in the correct hole should have been trivial
AT LEAST YOU KNOW THE FIREWALL IS WORKING
@badp Should have been, yeah.
@Frank One should probably consider having uptime also be best practices.
Point is, it didn't need a freaking firewall to begin with.
@Frank if you break production, and refuse to fix it sigh
22:02
@MadMAxJr reminds me of my calculus II teacher who set out to calculate the hypervolume of the 4-D sphere
@Dragonrage It got better.
he got really into his proof
then at some point a cancellation he expected to happen, didn't
those were some 20 awkward minutes
I told him that we needed that firewall off now, and we could figure out how to do it the best way later.
Apparently, I spoke too sharply to him, and he got all huffy.
"uhhhh, we'll pick this up again tomorrow, class, see you"
By the end of my degree, I thought I was good. I knew some COBOL, I knew VB.NET, I knew Java 5, I knew enough C++ to read what a block was trying to do, and I could model simple office departments in SQL databases.
First job? "So we need you to maintain these macro heavy Access 2000 databases."
22:03
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Uriel ArvizuMy 3DS got wet and I'll have to wait until the end of the month to get it fixed due to money issues, meanwhile the Legendary Pokemon distribution event is going on and soon the codes for the Legendary birds will be distributed, and I really want to get those Pokemon. Can I use my friend's 3DS to...

"By the way the macros write directly to the Oracle backbone for Peoplesoft and it's critical that Office 2000 stay stable in this year of 2007."
for my calc final project, i derived the formulas for finding volume of an icosahedron and a stellated dodecahedron based on side length
that was fun
@Dragonrage I know what some of those words mean.
@MadMAxJr snrk
I wish I were joking.
22:04
I currently support an application across no less than three versions of Access.
icosahedron 20 faced
@Dragonrage one of those is the d20 shape?
And deploying fixes on anything but the oldest breaks it for those.
@Frank ewwwwwwwwwwwww
After a year I almost lost my mind there after they moved me over to their VB.Net 1.1 apps which had been freshly rewritten to not use VB6 and ADO calls.
22:05
@GodEmperorDune There's a reason I make a rather healthy salary.
stellated dodecahedron is a 12 faced figure but with pyramids on top of it
I went to work for a university doing ASP.NET stuff.
I support the shit nobody else wants to get near.
@Frank yep, that's where the money's at
I check out the VB.NET powered ASP.NET site from the repo, try and do a build... It doesn't build.. huh. "Oh yeah, no that doesn't work. Just open the live set in production and do edits. It won't build but what's out there runs. It won't compile because I spliced in my PHP calls in the headers, but it's better that way."
That went on for 3 years.
@MadMAxJr ...*twitch*
@Dragonrage oh, soccer ball
@MadMAxJr da fuq
@GodEmperorDune kinda, just not round
22:07
@MadMAxJr At my internship, being a financial company, touching PROD was pretty much a strict no-go
a soccer ball is a truncated icosahedron
"So this 4 page string variable, what's this?" "Oh, that's the SQL call that gets passed through to oracle." "But there's too many quotes." "Oh, yeah, three layers of escape characters for all the stuff it has to pass through."
"This is vulnerable to simple injection attacks." "Yeah, you shouldn't say that. Security through obscurity you know."
@MadMAxJr Sounds like you support the same stuff I do.
Like, if you were an architect working on a hotfix, or a developer V, PROD Fix is a separate branch that exists for this reason
I quit that after I was pressured to do work using unlicensed software on my bosses personal laptop.
22:09
We actually got a guy transferred out of our IT department because he wouldn't stop installing pirated software on the user's machines.
Then I joined a helpdesk full of failed programmers who were giving Java and javascript help for a reporting system with a client-server interface.
Company wouldn't fire him, though.
@MadMAxJr It's like hide-and-seek except when the hackers find you, you get fired.
And now I build modules for ServiceNow ticketing systems.
Whee.
@Unionhawk not everyone uses branches properly
22:11
All the SQL level stuff is behind the vendor wall. Now I have to recall wtf glide queries are.
@Yuuki just capture the ip and ddos them if they hack you
except ddos is illegal, so probably dont do that
@Dragonrage yeah that's not how enterprise security works
not sure who would win in court, the hacker or the guy who ddos'ed in retaliation
@GodEmperorDune that's beside the point
@Dragonrage I'm just like, "Here's the pages and pages of documents where I said this was a bad thing and it should be fixed. You ain't blaming me for this."
@Dragonrage anyone trying to hack a company probably has their IP behind multiple proxies/vpn's
22:12
And they wouldn't fire me, because I'm the only one who can keep their rickety shit going.
@Chippies you'd be surprised
@GodEmperorDune I wouldn't be, but I try to stay positive
College prepared me for the finest 2007 technologies. the real world threw 2000-2004 at me. College did not prepare me for that.
@Frank as long as you have the documentation to prove your not responsible, if they fire you for it breaking, you could probably sue
Man, I haven't printed so many pages since I did my taxes last year. Speaking of that, I need to do my taxes.
22:13
@Dragonrage Wouldn't have to.
Oh gosh, yes. US taxes are due Friday
note i am not a lawyer
I'd just point out they're contravening employment standards, and, oh, hey, they actually owe me about a year's worth of on-call.
@MadMAxJr yep. i got my done last saturday
I'm consistently weirded out by how domesticated the squirrels on campus are.
22:14
@Yuuki They're like that on almost all big campuses
It could be worse, though
@Yuuki I worked at an ammo plant. The back end of the facility was a national game reserve. Animals that fear no noise.
@Chippies "pay us X bitcoins or we're going to ddos you" "umm, nope." deadline passes... no increase in traffic ... a week later "how did you like that ddos?"
@Yuuki how about lizards? at my campus you could walk up to them and like pick them up and wouldnt care
And moderately sized campuses
It could be this
22:14
A squirrel knocked a snack bag of chips out of my hand and feasted on it like little furry zombies.
@twobugs UCSD had bunnies on campus. they were pretty skittish though
we also had some pretty tame coyotes on campus
People who watch my stream: how was it with that other guy doing voice commentary?
Just gauging reactions
@twobugs what other guy?
22:17
@Dragonrage .... Arizona?
Uh, he was in a few of the recent streams
@twobugs oh i missed a few on the weekend
You're the worst!
road trip to play dnd. I regret nothing
@twobugs Ooo, I want to do guest commentary on @twobugs's stream!
22:19
@MadMAxJr california
"Man, you suck at this game. Lrn2GitGud."
User has been moved out of your channel
Okay, I think I have all but one of the necessary documents together for finalizing my mortgage approval.
22:41
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Q: How should we handle "Identify this list of things" questions?

two bugsFirst thing's first, an example: Identify these video game characters and items from the Crash Course Games backdrop I've noticed a few of these questions being posted recently. Is there any reason to take action against them?

It's been a while, but it looks like people are gravitating towards a "we should handle the identify a list of things questions" answer
@twobugs looks like pretty split from the vote counts
Oh I... guess I misread them
+13/-5 and +12/-6 for opposite answers
For some reason I thought the allow was at +14 overall
I guess I Dumb
22:45
@GodEmperorDune both are +13/-6 now
@Dragonrage yep
i may or may not have voted
23:06
Benedict Cumberbatch does not like showing his face to the audience.
@Yuuki Probably because of stuff like:
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RenaissanceProgrammerThe shininess of a pokemon is determined by a formula that includes the trainer id and secret id,of the user in the games, along with the personality value of the pokemon. Since doing a soft reset to get a shiny starter pokemon, you are only reseting the personality value of pokemon, you're onl...

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it has a round number of followers. coincidence? I think not.
Steam's being weird today
23:19
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Q: Separate languages for dialog and captions on Xbox 360 (Just Cause 2)?

IBPXI am studying German at the moment, and my language on my Xbox 360 is set to it, to pick up a bit while playing games. This works well with non-dialog-heavy games, because it's easy enough to figure out what something means. However, I'm playing the campaign of Just Cause 2, and someone will oft...

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@Powerlord The Bridge's being weird today, so par for the course.
@FaceSavouringDeliciousFood-Pig when isnt the bridge weird?
Which, interestingly enough, means that the Bridge is only weird when it's normal.
23:38
so my <br /> tags arent working on my webpage.
they arent rendering at all
@Dragonrage exactly my point
so i can inspect the page source and see my tag, but it isnt doing anything :(
@Dragonrage do you have a broken tag somewhere?
@GodEmperorDune no, not as far as i can tell, they are all fine as far as i can tell, and im not getting any warnings or errors
23:52
@Dragonrage is it online? i can take a look
@Dragonrage why are you putting a <br> in between divs instead of using css styling to space it?
@GodEmperorDune because im not very good at html css, just relearning it
@Dragonrage ah
so what should i change? that was working on another page
23:58
@Dragonrage the basic thing is that a <br> tag doesn't work unless it is inside a block tag
so if the whole thing is inside a div, it will work
would <hr /> work?
or should i just move the <br> into the div?

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