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00:00
yay. I'm a good citizen :)
pats self on back
00:27
hey all
@RedriderX howdy
gah, I can never remember my Facebook password.
I have to change it whenever I want to log in a new place. D:
@Ullallulloo ¡Hola
@GnomeSlice Why did you rollback the removal of the Flash tag?
should we hack his account now, when he would suspect it, or later when he doesn't remember?
@GraceNote cuz we like it.
00:32
Don't you imagine it'll create a far worse inconsistency when we can only tag one kind of platform?
@GraceNote But flash isn't like other platforms.
We still aren't tagging them with .
It's still platform and data that isn't actually important to the problem if you're applying it just to identify "This is a flash game"
i can see why @GnomeSlice rolled it back, he has like a third of the questions
@GraceNote But it's useful.
It's just as useful as any other platform tag
00:34
@GraceNote No, it's moreso.
what about my question?
@GraceNote Because there were still a bunch of other questions tagged with it, and we came up with some good reasons to keep it.
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Q: Why are my flash game saves getting erased?

RedriderXAfter installing stand-alone flash games like Machinarium, Dino Run SE, and Space Rubbish (all of which are good games by the way) I find that my game saves keep disappearing. I have read how cleaning programs like CCleaner can have this effect. I have CCleaner installed, but do not have it run ...

@RedriderX That isn't a question that uses the tag solely to say "This game happens to be a flash game"
@RedriderX That would be a good use of any platform tag.
00:35
@GnomeSlice I'd love to hear why your reasons don't apply to every other platform tag
@GraceNote Erm well, it wasn't me who came up with them.
You should've at least figured what those reasons were before rolling back the removal, then
@GraceNote Because I'll follow the flash tag, and I'm willing to just load a flash game to answer a question.
@GnomeSlice oh, snap she got you there.
I'm not willing to go out and buy a $50 PS3 game to answer a question.
I can play almost every flash game.
They're free and easily accessible.
00:38
@GraceNote Well, the other ones hadn't been removed.
@GnomeSlice We're terribly behind on all of the platform tag removals, last I checked
And yeah, those were them @Ullallulloo
@Ullallulloo yes i agree that this makes flash a very different platform.
Still is a platform, though.
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Q: How should we tag flash games?

UllallullooFlash games aren't overly common, but there doesn't seem to be much of a consensus on how to tag them. Most of them were tagged with the game's name and flash, but as most flash games don't have too much depth, the game's tag degrades, and it's left with just the flash tag. An exception is Gemcra...

@GraceNote But we don't tag with platforms because they aren't useful.
This one is.
00:40
@GraceNote Well, then we could just use the game tags and end up with a bunch of untagged questions.
@Ullallulloo That's not at all why we don't tag them
@GraceNote ...What?
I thought that that is exactly why we don't tag them.
The number one complaint we get about the fact we don't have platform tags is "I'd love to be able to subscribe to them! Or more importantly, ignore the platforms I don't own!"
Yes. It's the same argument we have for genre tags as well, as restated in a recent Meta inquiry.
@GraceNote ...You'll have to forgive my average intelligence, what's that got to do with WHY we don't use them?
@GraceNote well, it would be nice, but might splinter the community somewhat
00:42
Also, it's unlikely that we'll get two questions from most flash games.
@Ullallulloo GnomeSlice has a lot of non-Flash games that have only one instance, as do I
@GraceNote I don't see use in having a console used like that and interesting, and a tag that's designed to be ignored reminds me of ...
@GnomeSlice It's not why we don't use them. It's explaining that subscribability and utility is the same for flash and for others. Flash just happens to be easier to answer, but the other tags help funnel users to the questions they're happy to see a lot easier than, say, having to ignore each and every individual game that isn't on a platform you play.
Plus, lots of games are multi-platform
@Ullallulloo Which is part of the actual reason we don't use platform tags
00:45
@GraceNote That's what I said. There are few multi-platform flash games.
Is it still acceptable to use them when the question is platform specific?
@Ullallulloo It's not just for ignorance, just most people pay attention to it. However, subscription to platforms you do own is a great way to get a condensed view of questions you're possibly likely to answer, without needing the foresight to assume which new games would be asked.
@GraceNote oh, i missed that
@GnomeSlice Yes
Also, does anyone currently here play Voxatron at all?
00:46
@Ullallulloo Avoiding inconsistency is why we do blanket policies. There aren't a lot of multi-platform PC-98 games, which I'd also see to have very low likelihood of having multiple questions per game, but it doesn't earn the tag just for that.
@GnomeSlice I played it for about 10 minutes and was kind of meh about it.
I want some input on this character model I posted.
So far, only one response, but a positive one.
@GnomeSlice YES i see alot of your comments there, by the way.
to lighten the mood, how 'bout a floppy drive quartet?
You see the utility in a Flash tag subscription because it's free and you can just pop online. Meanwhile, a user who has a healthy library of a certain platform would likewise subscribe to that platform, knowing that if questions are asked about that platform even if it's for a game that we don't yet cover, she stands a good chance of being able to answer.
@RedriderX Ooh, a new one? :D
@GraceNote Browsing every PS3 game would show more questions games that you play, but with flash it could easily be almost every one.
00:53
(random thought: it's not the flash that's the important aspect, it's the fact that the game is free. how about )
@DavidB I thought about that, but games like Xonotic you also have to install.
ah, installation, yeah.. hrm
Ultimately, the actual reasons we don't use platform tags are purely mechanical. Starting with the fact that in actuality, platform and genre tags are actually horrible subtypes of meta tags that are redundant with the actual game name
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Q: How do I free Esbern from his jail?

Tom WijsmanIn the main quest line, I have to talk to Esbern and think I need to free him from his jail. Now, I've talked to him but the door window just closes afterwards without progressing the quest. I think I have done something wrong, what do I need to do exactly to progress in the quest?

We would immensely benefit from the ability to filter and subscribe by platform. However, tags are designed to indicate information for users to identify the problem contained in the question - platform and genre tags, in being nothing but a descriptive attribute of the game in question, consequently tell you nothing about the problem that isn't already inherent by said game in question.
00:58
@GraceNote should we then include the keyword "flash" in all flash questions?
This is why I'm still pushing to get special Game tags, after all.
@GraceNote If I was to search for an answer to a console game I'd just search with the game name, but flash games I'd usually include the word 'flash' too though.
Well i got to go, bye
a platform isn't an attribute of a game, not for a decade now.
@DavidB flash is
01:02
@DavidB I'm not sure where you're going with that
I don't know where I was going or if I want to. I know - skyrim.
(flash pacman question should be tagged flash?)
@Wipqozn You around?
Skyrim exists on three platforms: computer, 360, and PS3
sorry to cause confusion, I'm going to go play skyrim, instead of reviewing conversations others have had about tags :)
@Mana I am now
What is up?
01:07
@Wipqozn ign.com/ipl Thorzain, Hero and Sleep are playing best of 3s for $1000
@Mana oh snap
Right now?
It's intro right now, they're starting in maybe five?
@Mana ping me in five would you please
Actually... how long are the games?
well, let me rephrase
how many matches?
Best of 3s. So at most... 9 games
Oh, they're starting!
I've never heard of sleep before
01:12
He's a former member of Slayers, a great Korean team
oh ouch
it's blunders like that which can cost you a game
inb4 mass void rays l o l
ah dang
Did it just freeze for you @Mana?
No, still up
yeha, I just needed to refresh
I love phoenixes
so much
I love how they technically can';t attack ground units, but they really fuck up ground units
oh wow, that void ray is doing amazing
@Wipqozn I can't consider them as unable to attack ground units. That lift thing is so annoying
Nice counter-attack
@Mana technically can't attack ground*
ah, there we go
01:22
@GraceNote The main problems that I see with other platforms is that games are usually on multiple platforms, no one will be interested in all of them, and it clutters up the tags for everyone that doesn't use the tag to filter; but I don't really see those applying to much. Most flash games are just flash games(some are ported to iOS), quite a few people would be interested in all(currently 5 marked it and 'interesting'), and I see putting flash in the title helping our SEO, and...
...It seems that most people that play flash games are interested in the flash tag. (char limit)
hot dman, nice move by sleep.
@Ullallulloo So how do you take care of the flagrant inconsistency of a policy of "No platform tags... except Flash because it's free"
@GraceNote I don't know...I just think there are enough differences to justify it. =/
...and Firefox is messing up a lot now, so I need to restart it again....
brb
@Mana I think sleep may have this game. Hero is in a really bad position.
mm...
01:27
ouch, almost like his muta ball
IF sleep doesn't transition out of mass mutas soon though the game could turn around
so many spine crawlers
ah here we go, gg I think
those brood lords are going to just wreck havoc on hero
That is quite a few brood lords
Can't say I blame him. I love Brood Lords. My preferred late game Zerg unit.
oh my. Hero may just turn this around.
Does sleep have any anti-air right now?
Sleep may have max supply cap, but he has no money at all
He really needs to expand some more
oh look, he almost has all his brood lords back
haha omg
I love those spine crawlers
This game has been going for 60 minutes, but I don't think it's close to finished yet
If hero doesn't attack that hatch soon sleep has this game
Yeah, pretty sure sleep has this.
01:56
<3 @Wipqozn. I love to see I'm not the only one who "microblogs" on chat while he plays a game for the first time
@badp (he's actually not playing a game)
@Mana shush! It can't be too different
@Mana Come now, don't steal @badp's thunder!
I wonder if this game will ever end
haha
damn, he did a lot of damage to that wall
ahah, wow
hahahaha
1:10:34
I wish I could watch another game, but I can't XD
I have to get up at 6 tomorrow
02:01
haha, alright
peace man
Well
I will be aroudn for a few more minutes.. just reading over something from my group...
I'llneed to watch these games tomorrow
okay, now I'm leaving!
Enjoy the games @Mana
Thanks! Enjoy sleep.
02:25
0
Q: Is there a glitch in the quest Revealing the Unseen?

CarrieI'm at the portion of Revealing the Unseen" (from the College of Winterhold) where I have to go to Mzulft and enter the ruins. However, when I try to interact with Gavras, the man slumped on the floor to the right when I enter the ruins, I cannot enter a conversation with him. According to the ...

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Q: Symbols by doors in Skyrim

CoomieIn my travels around Skyrim, I've noticed some buildings have symbols by doors. The one I'm thinking of is a diamond with a circle in it, I think it was on the door to the thieves guild, but I'm sure I've seen others. Is there a list of what each symbol means?

@Mana But I thought he wasn't watching any more matches
@GraceNote You caught my subtle pun!
I'm so happy.
02:46
0
Q: What happens if you don't open the Sailcloth while falling?

Kevin YAt the end of the Wing Ceremony, Zelda instructs you to jump off the Goddess Statue and land in the middle of the design in the courtyard, opening your newly acquired Sailcloth at the last second, by pressing B. If you were to not press B, what would happen? Would it open automatically, or perhap...

03:09
@RedriderX Do you use the same username there?
I'm such a smartass.
Seriously, what the hell is my problem.
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Really Big Sky back on sale for $4.99.
You should probably get it.
Thanks for the star @OrigamiRobot or @Ullallulloo.
ಠ_ಠ
@GnomeSlice Wasn't me. O:-)
I'm surprised my laptop has problems running Really Big Sky smoothly.
@GnomeSlice Too many effects. No way to turn them off.
@GraceNote you tattled on me
03:22
Well, if anyone is interested in picking it up, please use this link.
@badp Yeah, but my laptop is pretty fancy.
Although, I suppose it's better stuff that isn't gaming.
@OrigamiRobot Hm?
@GraceNote would you like a gifted copy of Really Big Sky?
@GraceNote to Ian Pugsley
Although, I suppose if I wanted to make a nice gesture in response to all of the free stuff I've gotten from here, I should probably direct it towards someone who actually gave me something.
Oh. You were running half the Gaming Promotional Team here worried. I knew he knew you. Sorrehs
03:25
haha np
I went to Ohio for thanksgiving
no internets
I see I see
@GnomeSlice What kind of game is it?
I love icees
@GraceNote You... you definitely mentioned it at one point... 'oh they have really big sky'!
It's a shmup, and currently on sale.
Hm... I thought I had more than that in my paypal account.
A scrolling shooter not on Steam. It has quite the fancy graphics, you probably want to try a demo first
I know it's available on Desura, but I think it's also available from the maker directly
BossBaddie really knows how to make beautiful games.
But they need to work in some graphic options.
03:29
@GnomeSlice I said "They have Inside A Star-filled Sky"
@GraceNote I'm sure... you... hmm, possibly.
Also, something you guys should definitely check out, the lunar pack contains their first two games, one of which is one of my favourite indie games ever. $1.00
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Q: How can I play the harp well?

UllallullooI'm trying to be a good citizen and pay back my debt to the owner of the Lofty Pumpkin, but it seems impossible to play the harp correctly for his daughter. I try to just follow what the people do, but they're never satisfied. He says to just follow rhythm and make broad strokes, but I am pretty ...

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Q: What can I do with Mushroom Spores?

UllallullooAfter reading this question, I went and tried it; and, while it worked, I can't find a use for them. I can't sell them at the Item Check, and I tried poring them out, and it makes a yellow dust, but I don't know what that does. I did the one quest after completing the third dungeon where Th...

How long is this offer standing, @GnomeSlice? Do I have some time to make time to try out a demo?
@GraceNote ...Ah... crap. Looks like the sale ends in... 7 hours.
Unless I'm reading the clock incorrectly, which is entirely possible.
However, if I place the order now, I'll be able to get it at that price. I can always cancel it if you decide you don't like it.
How long do you have to cancel it?
03:34
No idea.
That's how I got it for the sale price though. I did't have any paypal funds, so I placed the order and completed the payment a few days later.
If you don't like it, I'm sure someone else will take it.
It's MY turn to be generous.
Wow, this is an abuse of the system.
Here's another order I'd forgotten about for a game that looked interesting when it was like 70% off.
They should fix this.
Not sure how the gifting works... don't see any recipient.
Wow, this game looks like it'd be very entertaining
Even if I can't tell what the hejudas is going on
Can you see if you can figure out your account information on Gamersgate?
I think it might be required to gift it.
=]
(Not to put pressure on you, but you have 20 minutes, @Grace)
Then Gnome loses internets.
oh man...another hour long game...
@badp I don't need to complete the payment for a few days.
@Mana I'm being generous.
You should congratulate me.
03:40
@GnomeSlice Oh no, I meant
another hour-long game of Starcraft that I watched
@Mana I wasn't replying to whatever you were talking about.
oh.
Well, okay.
@GnomeSlice Congratulations.
Oh, cool, Astroslugs comes with a mac version that I can gift.
Bleh, why's it show up in my games list as three separate entries?
@GnomeSlice I'll email you the details, izzat aiite wi' ya?
Sure thing.
Also, 4 new albums just got added to that indie music bundle.
user15026
03:43
@GnomeSlice Indie music bundle?
Oh.
Well, shit.
> If you spent $10 or more on your bundle, you now have access to a total of 21 albums. That's over 15 CDs of music, and a lot of gigs of audio to keep your iPod happy.
Ah, well.
It ends tonight.
Oh god dammit. One of the ones they've just added was done by ZirconMusic.
user15026
I don\t know much about it, but it is intriguing.
@GraceNote That didn't take much time.
@AshleyNunn Some of these games have amazing soundtracks.
Yeah, when you know what email you need for password recovery, it's pretty easy to do
Cool, bought it. 21 albums for $17!
user15026
03:46
@GnomeSlice If I had money for it, I would be all over it.
@Mana I'm confused, when you click the link to the '4 new albums', it shows you 11 new ones.
Two of which I already have.
huh nweird
weird
@Mana Check out the one by 'zircon', I love him.
I'll be sure to find a nice game to return the favor, @GnomeSlice. ♪
And after you hear this, you probably will too:
@GraceNote Not necessary. =]
user15026
03:49
@GnomeSlice That is awesome.
hmm
I don't really want to spend the rest of my evening writing assembly code...but I must :(
@Mana You could put it off for a couple hours so that it is past twilight
@GraceNote Can you accept the buddy request? I've already deleted your email, so I don't know where to send it thataway.
Sorry. :P
Jesus Christ I love this song.
It makes me feel like a badass.
03:51
@GnomeSlice My email address for my GamersGate account is different than my Semi personal account.
@GnomeSlice That's because you are a badass, You just need to break out of your shell.
@GraceNote Not sure if it matter which email, you probably get a redeem code.
@Mana Shut up man, I know it.
@GraceNote Well, there's an option to send to 'one of your buddies', but you need to accept.
I accepted, I believe
Holy shit, you'd better all be listening to this.
@GnomeSlice In good time.
03:53
Or, apparently, it takes two accepts.
@GnomeSlice Too busy with Nightbug
@GraceNote Got it, now.
@GraceNote Not familiar with that.
I almost shit myself when I played this in Audiosurf.
@GnomeSlice It's the song that was in the background of this
user15026
@GnomeSlice I am. :)
Aaaand, game sent. Enjoy @GraceNote. =]
@GraceNote Oh. You're welcome hahaha.
Thank you much, @GnomeSlice! ♪
03:54
I linked that, right?
@Mana I'd be willing to trade you for that bonus album by Zircon.
I will just upload it to my dropbox and link you later
@GnomeSlice Surprisingly, I actually heard this song before you posted it here.
@GraceNote Ah, Chantelise and Reccetear you purchased through gamersgate?
@KevinY Me too, just got around to posting it again years later.
@Mana No, then you lose out.
@GnomeSlice You did, yes
Though I already knew the song (mostly, I knew both components)
@GnomeSlice ?
03:56
@Mana You only paid for one copy.
Shame on you.
Bah, what CD ripping software do people use these days?
@Powerlord Er... Windows Media player?
:P
@Powerlord EAC is the best one I know of
@Powerlord I suppose iTunes isn't an acceptable answer.
@Mana I was wondering if people still used EAC or not.
03:57
@GnomeSlice Aye, did
iTunes has an annoying tendency to screw up perfectly fine audio files that I feed it.
It often will repeat the first few seconds of a track.
I usually just use my media player to rip but when I want better options like lossless rips with better logs and names I use EAC
And it actually modifies the original audio file.
I know the last time I used EAC they recommended using an external version of LAME with custom options or crud.
@GnomeSlice Hmm, never happened to me before.
03:58
(for mp3 ripping, that is)
I suppose I could be lazy and do what @GnomeSlice said.
@KevinY Has happened to me on numerous occasions. I still have some I haven't bothered to dig out the CD for and re-rip.
@Powerlord Ripping using WMP is fine for most purposes.
@GnomeSlice :/
@Powerlord It works surprisingly well.
and pretend I didn't see what @KevinY said, because 1. I'm not on a Mac, and 2. I hate iTunes for Windows.
03:58
I like using WMP because it doesn't do anything extra to the files.
Like I say, I only bust out EAC when the quality of the rip is super important(cough what.cd)
vanishes
@Powerlord Yeah, iTunes for Windows is pretty horrible. (iTunes for Mac isn't exactly great either, but...)
peace
Also, can someone go ahead and merge my alt with this account.
03:59
@GnomeSlice what
Actually, nevermind, I may need it again.
you have another alt?

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