The Bridge

TheAce

16:00

@Chippies true enough

well everything happens an hour from now

Frank

16:13

> Q: Valve: More hats, everything is tradeable. Diablo III went the other way with nothing tradeable. Will change?
Josh: No… we feel that the fun is finding your own gear. We can imagine some social trading and exchange, but we want players playing and finding items, not ebay.

It seems the D3 devs still don't get it.

Chippies

@Frank Honestly, I'm fine with the way drops are now

TheAce

@Frank with D3 tho would'mt buying drops kinda be pay to win?

Chippies

before when stuff was tradeable, it was the only way to actually get gear

Frank

@Chippies To a degree, they're fine. But I do think trading is a huge thing, and should still be part of D3.

Chippies

now the drop rates are insane

Frank

16:15

Because right now, you're at the mercy of the RNG.

Chippies

@Frank that is the only problem with it

Frank

I've played my seasons character for...a while.

Chippies

finding particular pieces of gear

Frank

And yet, still haven't found ANY of the Sunwuko's parts.

Chippies

I have less than 50 hours on my season monk, I'm pretty sure

I faceroll T6

Frank

16:16

@Chippies I don't.

Chippies

@Frank kadala is where it's at

Frank

Again, all up to the RNG.

Chippies

also, it really helps if you run with same class players

Frank

What you get is straight up luck.

Matt Giltaji

they should just maintain crazy drop rates and bring back the AH. this will cause the prices to be low and make it easy for me to gear up

Chippies

16:17

@Frank mostly, yeah, but kadala allows you to get specific pieces

which reduces the randomness quite a bit

Jason Berkan

When it comes to deciding what games I play, games with random drops get shuffled to the bottom of the list really fast. When you don't have a lot of time to game, they suck.

Frank

@Chippies If she gives you legendaries to begin with.

Matt Giltaji

@JasonBerkan so true

Frank

I can't count how many Blood Shards I've spent, trying to get Inna's belt from her.

Chippies

@Frank you're still doing what you would be doing without kadala anyway

Frank

16:18

Trading would fix that in a hurry.

Chippies

you run rifts looking for legendaries

Frank

@Chippies Adding an extra level of RNG doesn't make RNG better.

Chippies

@Frank if anything, it removes an extra level of RNG

it allows you to roll for specific pieces literally for free

without kadala you run rifts, get junk

with kadala you run rifts, get junk, roll at kadala for extra junk

Frank

@Chippies No, it gives you yet another level. If you don't get the item you're looking for, you have a chance, a better one, of getting something you're looking for, but it's still RNG.

Chippies

either way, it really helps if you run with someone of your own class

Frank

16:19

@Chippies And I play solo.

Chippies

@Frank are you in the game right now?

Frank

Nope.

If they made every item craftable, we might have something there.

Chippies

I talked my wife into making a monk, so we can both share drops

it was the fastest we geared our characters ever

Frank

@Chippies And that's great.

But it still doesn't fix the issue of everyone being at the mercy of RNG.

Chippies

@Frank but can you offer a solution that doesn't destroy any gameplay?

the only reason to even play the game is to farm gear

Unionhawk

16:21

Oh noes RNG is a thing in video games

Frank

@Chippies Craft it. Allow people to trade.

TheAce

I have vanilla D3 and don;t plsy it is it more fun with firends?

Frank

NEITHER of those destroy the gameplay.

Chippies

@Frank so you get the best gear within couple of hours of hitting 70, now what do you do?

Frank

@Chippies Chances of getting the absolute best gear within a couple of hours at 70 is minute, at BEST.

I'm not saying fix the stats on the items.

Chippies

16:22

@Frank why? just trade it

Unionhawk

Games like that need to be a slow (but not too slow) burn to be engaging

Matt Giltaji

@Chippies start over, like an incremental

Frank

@Chippies What do you have worth trading at level 70?

Unionhawk

Er, long-term engaging

Frank

I was all set to try Sunwuko's with the Gungdo bracers.

Except, I can't FIND any of the damn pieces.

Chippies

16:23

@Frank ask your guildies for gear, since they're all maxed out already

TheAce

reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2yjtfn/…

Chippies

boom, you're maxed out too now

Frank

@Chippies That's a different issue. And, you wouldn't be maxed out.

You can already do that for any new characters you create.

You stash items for a different class.

Chippies

@Frank smart loot mostly screws that over

Frank

@Chippies Mostly. But not completely.

Chippies

16:25

@Frank you'd get a massive power spike and then you wouldn't be able to upgrade in a long long long time

Frank

I can't tell how many hours I've played my seasonal Monk. But, this is the best I've gotten from RNG:

us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hicpotboy-1842/hero/58072104

@Chippies It's the same problem, just sped up.

Matt Giltaji

if i were to build D3, absolute best endgame loot would come from the guy who worked his hands to the bone to bring me these fine goods

Wipqozn

@JasonBerkan Especially when getting random drops with bigger numbers is the entire pointof the game.

Chippies

@Frank except the better geared you are, the more spaced out the upgrades are

Unionhawk

FUN FACT: Blizzard feeds on the tears of people who complain about RNG

Frank

16:26

@Chippies Yes. Which is why getting the gear right at 70 just speeds up the problem.

You're still at the mercy of the RNG. There's no way around it.

Chippies

@Frank Idk about you, but it kinda takes away the reason to play the game if you have to grind for days to maybe get a small upgrade

Frank

The only reason I currently run greater rifts is to for the almost guaranteed legendaries.

Chippies

@Frank I thought everyone did that

Frank

@Chippies If I have to grind for days to even get a piece I'm looking for, what's the difference?

Chippies

@Frank well for one, you can still get upgrades while looking for the piece

Frank

16:28

Who's having more fun? The guy trying to find a single specific piece from the RNG, or the guy looking for a small incremental upgrade to his existing equipment?

Chippies

also, if gear was tradable, what's to stop you from just buying best gear with $$$

Frank

@Chippies Nothing at all. Except your own ethics.

Chippies

@Frank probably the one looking for the specific piece, because once you have that piece, good luck upgrading it

Frank

@Chippies Upgrades which help you kill slightly faster, but don't actually contribute to the progression you're looking for.

Chippies

@Frank killing faster = more loot

this is my seasonal monk us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Chippies-1638/hero/58203101

Frank

16:30

@Chippies I can tell you right now, it's super frustrating to try to find even ONE piece of Sunwuko's.

Chippies

most of the set items aren't very good and I'm probably never gonna upgrade them

Frank

@Chippies And yet, you have the gear you want.

I don't. And I have no guaranteed way of getting it.

Chippies

@Frank it took me days to get those pieces

Frank

@Chippies I've been playing for more than that.

And I don't have any of them.

Chippies

it really also depends on what you do in the game

I would suggest you run greater rifts starting with rank 1 and advance one at a time

Frank

16:32

That's the point I'm making; in a system that relies on RNG, progression can differ dramatically, even with characters started at the same time.

Chippies

that will get you going, possibly get you some set items

Frank

@Chippies Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

Chippies

@Frank the "problem" is that Diablo is a game about finding gear

Frank

@Chippies But in order for me to feel like I'm progressing, I have to find progression gear.

Chippies

@Frank sunwuko's is not really progression gear, it's end game

Frank

16:34

Once everything is a legendary, the only things you want are your end set.

Chippies

the moment I got sunwuko's 2 piece, I was running t5

Frank

Everything else is just salvage fodder.

Chippies

actually no, I needed the 4 piece set for t5-t6

Frank

@Chippies And again, that's the point. There is no progression now, beyond a RoRG, Sunwuko's, and Inna's.

The only one of those I can influence is a RoRG, but I can't even guarantee a legendary from A1 caches.

Because I don't have gear to run T6.

Chippies

while I understand it's frustrating, it is kinda what the game is

grinding for gear

Frank

16:36

@Chippies And there are ways to fix it.

That's what I'm saying.

Chippies

you can still trade gear you found in party

Frank

To make it less frustrating for those who the RNG doesn't favor.

Chippies

which is why soloing is the worst way of gearing up

Frank

@Chippies So people should party up, even when they don't want to?

Chippies

@Frank I believe that by fixing it, they would introduce many other issues

Frank

16:37

That just forces a playstyle some people don't want.

Chippies

@Frank no, but it's obvious that you get benefits by partying up

MBraedley

(sigh) I'm being micromanaged again.

Chippies

by ignoring that playstyle, you're ignoring the benefits you get from it

it's your choice

Frank

@Chippies No, it forces a playstyle.

Chippies

@Frank you can still play solo and get all the benefits, just not as quickly

Frank

16:38

To get the best stuff real quick, you have to play with others.

Chippies

@Frank that doesn't sound like "forcing"

Frank

@Chippies I don't like playing with others, because I play at my own pace. I feel rushed when I'm partying.

Chippies

the issue here is that you want the pacing of a full party in a solo game

Unionhawk

Have you considered that maybe that's status-bydesign?

Frank

@Chippies No, I want a method of progression that doesn't rely completely on the RNG.

Chippies

16:39

@Frank party with people who you know

Frank

@Chippies Still feels rushed. That's the point; I'm very rarely paying full attention to D3.

If Kadala had options that guaranteed you a set or legendary of a specific slot, that, I think, would fix most of my issues.

Chippies

@Frank that could be a solution, as long as legendaries and set items are in the same category

Frank

I don't want to remove the RNG completely. But at least let me lower the chances of junk to a point where I don't spend days hunting for items.

Lazers

0

Q: What makes the Sacred Combo so sacred?

During a Stream of SSBM, I watched what the commentaters called a "Sacred Combo." But, why is this combo so hyped over, and how does one pull it off? Captain Falcon and Fox were used to do it.

super-smash-bros-melee

Frank

The only reason I have a Hoarder gem is because I got super lucky.

But I've stopped playing D3 now, because it doesn't feel like I'm progressing.

Chippies

16:42

my wife's monk is pretty pimped, although she lost 25% dmg when she salvaged her yellow amulet us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Jennybeans-1477/hero/58203040

I haven't played Diablo in over a week, because I stopped progressing as well

and what's even worse is that I kept getting upgrades that I couldn't use, because I needed my set bonuses

Frank

And there's the thing; people keep playing because they think they're making progress.

Sterno

Is it time for someone to chime in with "PROGRESS IS AN ILLUSION. IT'S ALL JUST ONES AND ZEROS, MAN."? Let me know when it is

Chippies

I think the main reason why people keep playing is that they either are making progress or just have higher tolerance for not making progress

Frank

@Sterno Feel free to chime in with that already.

@Chippies I'm a patient guy. I'm willing to put in my time to earn things.

Chippies

that's why I think the best thing Blizzard could do is to implement an incremental within the Diablo window

so you can make progress even when you're actually not

Sterno

16:46

I thought that's what Paragon levels were for

Frank

But at this point, I've put in my time, but it doesn't really feel like I've gotten anything out of it.

Wipqozn

@Sterno all just atoms, man

Frank

I got the Gungdo bracers real quick, and I was super happy about that.

But then, rift after rift after rift, and I get none of the other gear I need.

Sterno

@Wipqozn No. Today on Area 51 I learned that ectoplasm is not made up of atoms

Chippies

@Frank that was my first legendary drop, and it was ancient

Frank

16:47

@Chippies Luckily, it being ancient isn't a requirement.

The only real boosts for ancient stats is the armor and dex stats.

Chippies

@Frank sure made it harder to replace though :P

@Frank we never really ran rifts much, only enough to get grift keystones

Wipqozn

@Sterno Oh true

Silly me

Frank

@Chippies I was including grifts in that.

Chippies

regular rifts don't really seem that important anymore

early days of running grifts is really boring though

Frank

If anything, I'd almost prefer regular rifts; more chances at getting good gear.

Chippies

16:49

since we were waiting for the 10 minute mark before finishing each run

@Frank certainly not at early 70

one key can get you 10+ legendaries

Frank

@Chippies No, but regular rifts have a much higher chance of dropping legendaries.

Chippies

whereas low difficulty rifts usually don't drop that much

Sterno

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/84880/paranormal/84891#84891

IT IS A VALID QUESTION

Which apparently won't onebox

Frank

Grifts just give three or four legendaries from the boss.

Chippies

@Frank more chances, not higher

Frank

16:50

@Chippies More chances, across an entire rift, comes out to more legendaries.

Chippies

@Frank 3-4 is pretty generous

@Frank if you're lucky

Frank

I've had one rift that dumped something like six legendaries on me.

Chippies

also, in my experience, grifts are more likely to drop set items

Frank

But not on my seasonal monk.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Won't even jump to the question for me. Which one?

Sterno

16:51

@Unionhawk How could you have voted to close that? You monster!

Matt Giltaji

@Sterno it seems @uni voted to close... i knew @uni was part of the conspiracy

Sterno

@Wipqozn Try again, I had a broken link for a minute

Chippies

hm, Cities Skylines ~~should be available in 9 minutes~~ is available to download

Unionhawk

I am part of the lizard people who control A51. (not really)

Sterno

Or are you just saying that now to throw us off?

SHUT UP ABOUT CITIES SKYLINES

Chippies

16:52

downloading it right now TWICE!

MBraedley

@Chippies My computer at home is currently off, so I can't start installing :(

Chippies

I'll get to play it until wife gets home, then back to not playing it

@MBraedley didn't think it through, did you!

call someone to turn it on? :P

Unionhawk

Also thanks @fredley for making me meta.lifehacks

Sterno

Now I'm looking at the Steam store page for a game I don't even want.

Unionhawk

Goddammit

MBraedley

16:54

@Chippies Yes, 8 hours of idle computer time is a waste of money.

Albeit only pennies.

Chippies

@MBraedley 2 cents or so?

probably less

Sterno

@uni for lifehacks mod

Origami Robot

I am also installing it

StrixVaria

Your part about negatively impacting others on a single player game is very wrong. How does an isolated game affect others when there is no interaction? I should suggest you edit this to avoid some strong opinionated confusion. On another level how does Game shark codes fall under this rule as well? How does certain hidden button pressing(some back in the day were considered cheats because they were not well known.) or secret levels considered OT? right now your answer states all of what I said is considered OT. — Virusboy 1 hour ago

Is anyone else as confused by this as I am?

Unionhawk

@Sterno I can regurgitate what the puppet says on meta.gaming that's about it

Chippies

16:55

almost there

Sterno

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BUY THIS STUPID GAME NOW

MBraedley

@Chippies ~$0.20, by my calculations.

StrixVaria

@Sterno I knew it!

Chippies

@Sterno THAT'S MY GOAL!

Unionhawk

Like, it was literally "NO, A CLOSE VOTE IS NOT A SUPER DOWNVOTE"

Wipqozn

16:56

I am a really terrible person.

Chippies

@MBraedley I would like to see those calculations, since I'm not very savvy in that field

Wipqozn

@Sterno Only $30!

Chippies

I'm making it seem like I am really hyped, but I'm not really

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria I think he thought you meant that single player cheats are OK unless they negatively impact others. Not because they don't

MBraedley

@Chippies Oh wait, I screwed up. Let me run them again

Chippies

16:57

I suck at city building games anyway

Origami Robot

@Sterno

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 Even if I did mean it this way, since they don't, the "unless" clause wouldn't trigger and everything would still be ok...

DAMMIT HOW ARE ALL OF YOU HOME TO TAKE THESE SCREENSHOTS

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria RDP

StrixVaria

Trying to figure out how early I can get away with leaving today.

Wipqozn

But actually

Origami Robot

16:58

I wont be home for another 6 hours

Sterno

Do we actually know if this game is any good, as opposed to a buggy POS like Sim City 4?

Chippies

@Sterno plenty of reviews saying only good things about it

StrixVaria

@Sterno All the pre-release LPs and stuff I've seen have been very positive.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Yes

There are some reviews out as well.

Matt Giltaji

@Wipqozn over 9000 SPF

Unionhawk

16:58

(notice a lack of city building games)

StrixVaria

@Unionhawk HEATHEN

Sterno

I guess I'll go read RPS's Wot I Think and then buy it anyway

Origami Robot

The thing that sold me was freeform roads. I have no idea why.

Wipqozn

cc @Sterno @fredley area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/84880/paranormal/85013#85013 area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/84880/paranormal/85014#85014 area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/84880/paranormal/85015#85015

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot it actually has pretty awesome transport system

MBraedley

16:59

@Chippies Yeah, it's actually only $0.07-0.08

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk So...you need a city building game to fill the void?

Unionhawk

This is literally me right now

Chippies

@MBraedley what wattage were you using for the calculations?

Unionhawk

I cannot justify purchasing a game right now

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk Banished could be above that

MBraedley

17:00

@Chippies 60W at idle, which is typical for my computer.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot It is not

Chippies

@MBraedley I guess that sounds reasonable

Origami Robot

sauce

StrixVaria

I didn't really like Banished. I like my city-building games casual and relaxing.

Chippies

I'd like to get one of those thingies that can measure how much power it's drawing from the socket

StrixVaria

17:01

Banished was too stressful.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot Sauce

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk tl;dr

Wipqozn

>
@Sterno I'm not even sure if ghosts have genders! Sounds like a good question! – Wipqozn 40 secs ago edit [delete this comment]

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot TLDR I AM NOT A LIAR

Wipqozn

Do ghosts have genders?

Unionhawk

17:02

THIS TIME

Rapitor

@Wipqozn y u do dis

Wipqozn

> This is an important question, as it could have masive impacts on relativity. – Lego Stormtroopr Mar 6 at 3:18

Oh my god

I hope this guy is trolling like we are

Unionhawk

I'm not sure

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn Of course. They are deceased people. I'm voting to close this question as obvious.

Unionhawk

He's an A51 regular user

So...'

Wipqozn

17:03

@JasonBerkan Silly me

Jason Berkan

We are all going to get our Area 51 accounts deleted.

Matt Giltaji

@JasonBerkan time to make some socks

murgatroid99

@JasonBerkan I don't really use it for much anyway

Wipqozn

Most of my Area 51 account usage is flagging proposals for being dupes of other proposals.

Chippies

@TheAce the game is playable on my integrated gpu on lowest detail, so it should run just fine on your gt640

spugsley

17:05

HALLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

TheAce

@Chippies awesome :)

Lazers

0

Q: Is it possible to connect a Gamecube Controller to a 3DS?

I play a lot of SSB4, and I have gotten used to using the 3DS to play. But, is there a way I can connect a Gamecube (or other type of controller) to my 3DS, and play using that instead? I want to practice with a real controller (and prevent my Circle Pad from dying).

3ds super-smash-bros-4

Chippies

@spugsley HULLOE!

Matt Giltaji

@Rapitor gooby pls

TheAce

@Chippies gonna wait till tomorow tho

Rapitor

17:07

@MattGiltaji pls.

Unionhawk

17:17

@Wipqozn You mean like the millionth Minecraft proposal?

fredley

There should be a blacklist of words not allowed in Area51 proposals, and Minecraft should be in it.

@Wipqozn Oh you

@Unionhawk eh?

Wipqozn

@fredley I'm such a scamp

fredley

*tousles @Wipqozn's hair*

Do tortoises have hair?

It finally happened

Unionhawk

5 hours ago, by fredley

-4

Q: A close reason for silliness

I wanted to vote to close some questions because they were silly. Since there was no appropriate close category I did not vote to close. We need a close reason for this. Silliness might equate to extremely and unquestionably obvious, why would such a thing be needed at all, or just playing games ...

discussion close-reasons

Sterno

Being on 3 projects at once really is the efficiency killer everyone already knew it was.

fredley

17:27

@Unionhawk Oh, haha

Edited 4 hours ago

Wipqozn

@fredley He updates that all the time

fredley

@Wipqozn ikr

Wipqozn

He would make an even worse mod than @fredley.

Feeds

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Wipqozn

@StackExchange I see that you value your position as worst mod.

fredley

17:31

@Wipqozn @StackExchange is indeed the worst mod

It's not even banned anyone

Feeds

Grace Note has added Wipqozn to the list of this room's owners.

Unionhawk

That may be a world first

Grace Note

It's mostly to make up for the fact that I'm about to post this.

Feeds

fredley has added Grace Note to the list of this room's owners.

Unionhawk

OH GOD

Feeds

17:36

fredley has removed Grace Note from the list of this room's owners.

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Batophobia

@Unionhawk @Unionhawk defending Lifehacks?

Unionhawk

@Batophobia No, @Unionhawk defending sanity

Batophobia

Sanity and Lifehacks don't go together

Wipqozn

@GraceNote At least it isn't spiders.

fredley

DR. BEES

►

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Origami Robot

17:39

@GraceNote oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god

Batophobia

TheAce

@OrigamiRobot wings got delayed

Unionhawk

GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS

Wipqozn

@Batophobia I forgot that character existed

Lazers

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Q: Does weapon weight count in World of Tanks?

I'm driving a Luchs (Light Tank) as a scout in WoT and I'm having a problem about choosing between the main gun: Gun 3cm M.K. 103 Gun 5cm Kw.K. 39 L/60 The latteris better in every aspect (apart from burst damage) but it weights 700kg while the former is just 141kg. Does this count in WoT? Fo...

world-of-tanks

Origami Robot

17:43

NO I NEED TO KNOW THE PRICE

Grace Note

@fredley Nice

Origami Robot

If it's more than 20m, I can never play again

Unionhawk

It is going to be

Wipqozn

> I could go on all day about Cities: Skylines, much like I could go on all night playing it. It has restored my faith in the City Building Simulator genre. It’s everything that fans of the genre were hoping for and more.

Unionhawk

You know it, I know it

RIP @OrigamiRobot

Origami Robot

17:44

I can't go back to an inferior ship for that long

I've seen the light

Unionhawk

Well

The light has just punched you in the face

How does it feel?

Origami Robot

Knowledge is a burden

StrixVaria

@GraceNote I don't even know what I would do if I saw this on my car.

I guess buy a new car.

Jason Berkan

@StrixVaria Raid.

Grace Note

@StrixVaria Most of my friends have suggested "Buy a new car" and "Throw the old car into a volcano"

Wipqozn

17:47

@GraceNote wait, is that your car?

Grace Note

No, it is not.

Wipqozn

wiat, no @GraceNote wouldn't have twitter.

Origami Robot

@GraceNote You have to get the car to the volcano

Grace Note

We invented cranes and disposable minions for a reason.

Origami Robot

Using acid seems much more practical.

StrixVaria

17:47

Oh! I would have AAA tow it to a car wash.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria right, to wash it with acid

Kevin van der Velden

@OrigamiRobot no, wash it with gasoline

Matt Giltaji

nuke it from orbit, that's the only way to be sure

Origami Robot

brb, looking on youtube for "thermite wasp nest"

Rapitor

well this was an interesting time to come back to the bridge.

fredley

17:52

Yahoo Answers on form as always

Lazers

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Q: cant complete the silence has been broken - stuck with farkas

i've gotten stuck with farkas after i accepted a the "purity" quest, but there are no more glemoril witches to collect heads from. now his presence is stopping me from completing other quests, is there any way to get rid of him? there is no option to part ways in the dialogue, and there is no way...

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