The Bridge

Sterno

21:00

kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4

Tim Stone

This is why I'm not allowed to interact with clients! These developers should learn their lessons from me.

Sterno

There are quite a few out clauses for not delivering what was promised. And they're all pretty nebulous

Frank

I take issue with them refusing refunds, based on a nebulous reasoning of, "You played it, therefore you're SOL!"

Tim Stone

(Okay, I just say I'm not allowed to interact with clients because I hate people, but)

Sterno

> They work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers

"best possible conclusion". Yeah, everyone is going to agree what that is.

Unionhawk

21:01

@Frank Shotgun, rifle, or pistol?

Origami Robot

> We want to make sure we treat each person's situation with the thoroughness it deserves, and have contacted each of them to ask that they bear with us over the next few working days if their circumstances do not fit either criteria above as we look into individual requests.

Frank

Of course, my primary interaction with Kickstarter is regularly lambasting the Star Command devs for continuing to dislocate their arm patting themselves on the back for the awesome, stupidly late (but so, so awesome) game they're creating.

Origami Robot

re: refunds

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Is that new?

Because last I read, it was all what I had stated.

Origami Robot

These quotes are from their latest newsletter

"criteria above" is what I previously mentioned

Sterno

21:03

All I can say for certain if a change to the product scope or features makes you want to withdraw your pledge, you shouldn't Kickstart something in the first place. You're just setting yourself up to rage.

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badp

@Sterno the scope of this sentence is so wide I don't even know where to begin

Jason Berkan

I consider buying things the first week they come out as risky. I cannot imagine prepaying for something that doesn't even exist yet.

Origami Robot

I treat Kickstarter/Early Access like loaning money. Only do it if you are prepared to never get anything back.

Frank

@Sterno Which is something we can say, now that Kickstarter has been around a few years, and we understand the pitfalls.

Sterno

@badp It is purposefully wide.

murgatroid99

21:05

@Sterno This literally means that nobody should ever Kickstart anything ever, because every project has the theoretical potential to change its scope or features to "mail feces to all backers"

badp

basically you're saying "only pledge for X if you are the biggest X fanboy in the world -- and even then, the game might have a Y theme instead and you better like it anyway"

Frank

But acting like users should've known better than to back something they didn't 100% fully agree with is disingenuous to the extreme.

Tim Stone

@OrigamiRobot Absolutely this, although it is easier somehow to accept that people have failed than it is to pay for them for empty promises. :P

Jin

Garrison is the farmville of wow

Sterno

@badp More like I'm saying consider the money spent in the hope that the idea comes to the fruition you hope, but if it doesn't materialize, understand that was always a risk.

Unionhawk

21:06

@Frank No, users should know better than to back something they didn't 100% fully agree with.

Tim Stone

@murgatroid99 Kickstarter is based on the assumption that no one eats that much Taco Bell and/or are decent people.

Frank

@Unionhawk Why?

Tim Stone

How it works given that the internet is terrible is beyond me.

Sterno

Particularly if you're kickstarting something that's still a long way from being finished

murgatroid99

@TimStone And my point was the Sterno was rejecting that assumption

Tim Stone

21:07

throws money at the screen

Frank

They saw a concept, and decided it was worth backing, based on the concept they saw.

Sterno

I mean, hell, it's a given in software that the features and scope change on a weekly basis

Frank

Changing the concept midstream doesn't mean we should blame the victim, which is the backers. That's beyond stupidity.

Tim Stone

@Sterno I'm changing a feature right now!

Sterno

@murgatroid99 No one who is risk-averse should back anything on Kickstarter, yes. That's what I'm saying. Not everyone is risk-averse.

Unionhawk

21:08

I... wh.. okay.

This is officially stupid

Chippies

@Frank Blame? No one is blaming backers. Backers should just understand the risks that come with backing stuff on kickstarter

Origami Robot

@Sterno I was trying really hard to think of how to explain this.. Thanks for wasting all my time. I DEMAND A REFUND!

Tim Stone

@Jin I take it it's not very Jinsational then?

Frank

@Chippies By going, "Welp, they shouldn't have backed it", you're blaming the backer for the choice they made without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

murgatroid99

@Sterno you just seem to be implying that people should have a reasonable expectation that the product they get has no relation to the product they paid for.

Sterno

21:09

If they told me they wanted to get Firefly back on the air, they'd have a $100 pledge from me. If it turned out they couldn't get Nathan Fillion back in the saddle because he got hit by a bus, or Joss Whedon later was struck by complete writer's block, or they decided they didn't have the budget for space anymore so they're all going to be stuck on one planet and ride horses, or any one of a hundred other things, I'd be sad, but I'd have known that was a risk.

@murgatroid99 I think they should accept the possibility but also that "no relation to the product they paid for" is probably a pretty rare case

I mean, the project might never finish.

Chippies

@Frank I'm not saying they shouldn't have backed, but yes, if they don't understand the risks and want a refund because of a change in the project - welp, they shouldn't have backed it

Sterno

Shit happens

Unionhawk

@Sterno UNACCEPTABLE

Sterno

In this particular case, I'd say "always online DRM" is not the same as "no relation to the product they paid for"

badp

@Sterno the first could be considered force majeure, the latter not so much

Frank

21:11

@Chippies At the beginning of Kickstarter, there was no history of projects changing, being too big to handle, or just outright failing.

Chippies

from what I understand, Elite Dangerous is the game everyone wanted and more AND it includes a single player mode

Frank

There was no reason not to take the promises at their word.

badp

@Sterno this can be very easily construted as a deal breaker -- I dunno what US consumer protection law is on the topic, though, because "lol US consumer protection law"

murgatroid99

Actually, now that I think of it, I've backed several things on Kickstarter and IndieGogo, and I don't think I've managed to claim anything from any of them

Frank

You're blaming the victim by not being able to see the future of how Kickstarter would work.

murgatroid99

21:11

No, I've gotten a couple of things

Chippies

@Frank I'm blaming the people that ask for a refund when they accepted the risks

Origami Robot

@Sterno In this case, it's not even DRM. It's for missions and economy reasons.

murgatroid99

@Chippies It's hard to claim that people accepted risks that they did not know about

Frank

@Chippies What risk? The only risk they'd see is the project failing.

Sterno

I'm not so much blaming the victim as telling them to stop crying about it and take it as a life lesson. Just like everyone learned from all the other kickstarters. This one isn't special.

Frank

21:12

Not it being changed into something they no longer would have backed.

StrixVaria

I'm done with Kickstarter.

Chippies

@murgatroid99 I must be hearing about different kickstarter then, because I hear more about failed projects than finished projects that are 100% as promised.

StrixVaria

I haven't had any good experiences there.

Frank

@Sterno That's still blaming them for not seeing the future.

Sterno

@badp I don't know law either but given that there have been very few lawsuits and many projects have been much, much worse, I'm guessing this does not qualify.

But who knows

Unionhawk

21:13

I think calling people who backed it and want refunds "victims" is disingenuous.

SaintWacko

one shotted Mom...

Frank

@Unionhawk How are they not?

badp

@SaintWacko do you have the halo yet?

Sterno

@Frank No. That's like saying I'm blaming a guy who had an airplane fall on his house for not seeing the future. I'm saying you SUCK IT UP AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE

Tim Stone

Frank

21:13

They've been essentially scammed out of their money.

Sterno

(unless you were in it... then not so much)

SaintWacko

@badp No?

Tim Stone

I approve

badp

@TimStone the picture is perfect

Sterno

@Frank They were only scammed if the developer lied in the first place.

Frank

21:14

@Sterno Not providing a feature that was promised is lying.

Rapitor

Your Silicon Valley job title is...

''RESIDENT TECH SHERPA''

ok.

Chippies

The kickstarter page of Elite Dangerous does not include the word "offline"

Unionhawk

@Frank No.

badp

@SaintWacko There's an item that is guaranteed to one-shot Mom and Mom's heart. You get the halo by using it like that.

Unionhawk

Just, no.

Jin

21:14

I got DIGITAL SAVANT

Sterno

No. That's failing to deliver a promise.

Unionhawk

100% no

Frank

7 mins ago, by Frank

They saw a concept, and decided it was worth backing, based on the concept they saw.

SaintWacko

@badp Ah. I'm just using Tammy's Head with Azazel

Unionhawk

There is literally no way for you to be more wrong

Frank

21:14

Changing the concept, without having the option to withdraw your pledge, is wrong.

Sterno

@Frank I think we're arguing two different things. The system you are proposing is definitely a better system.

Chippies

from what I see, the kickstarter page of the game is heavily advertising the multiplayer aspect of the game

Sterno

What I'm saying is that that's not the Kickstarter system

Chippies

and there is no mention of anything offline at all

Sterno

If that's what you want, don't use Kickstarter.

Frank

21:15

@Unionhawk Yeah, we're not going to agree here. Kickstarter isn't a system that means devs can do whatever they want after they get backer money. You seem to think it is.

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk Repeatedly saying "you're wrong" is a terrible argument

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 Yeah, well this is stupid anyway

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk Oh, well that's a much better argument

Sterno

Can we all agree that Steam Early Access is even worse than Kickstarter? Let's agree about something!

Tim Stone

It's like one rung above mobile chat.

Frank

21:16

@Sterno And what I'm saying is that you're telling people to suck it up and learn, when they had no reason to believe the developers wouldn't deliver.

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 Not sure if sarcasm, or agreement that this is a stupid argument

Sterno

@Frank I understand they had no reason. THAT'S WHERE THE LEARNING COMES IN

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk Maybe both

Chippies

@Frank I can't find a single mention of offline mode on the kickstarter page

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk I'm just sick of people in this chat using "you're wrong" in place of an actual argument. It's dismissive and insulting

@Unionhawk and that was sarcasm

Frank

21:17

@Sterno And in the future, they probably won't back other projects, unless they're willing to lose the money they backed.

badp

@Sterno why would you agree to that?

Sterno

@Frank Exactly!

Frank

But saying that they should've known better is stupid.

badp

you can sell ideas for games to be released in 2018 on Steam Early Access

Sterno

@Frank I never said that. Or if I did I didn't mean to.

badp

21:18

you have to have something

Frank

Which is the heavy implication of going, "Welp, just don't back something in the future"

It dismisses the legitimate problems that backers have.

Sterno

No, I'm saying with this newfound knowledge, that should be the approach of people.

Tim Stone

Putting money towards a thing that doesn't exist is inherently risky, I'd think.

Origami Robot

@TimStone That's logic!

murgatroid99

@Frank I actually agree with Sterno here. Saying that people should learn something from their experience is not the same as saying that they "should have known"

Sterno

21:19

This is roughly equivalent to me saying you probably shouldn't buy a brand new PS4 for $100 on ebay from a guy with no seller history.

If it goes bad, it's not really your fault, but there is an opportunity to learn there.

Tim Stone

In a dark alley. On a Tuesday.

@badp Yeah but like with Spacebase DF9 you can still say "k, released" at any time even if it's a half-assed product.

Frank

@Sterno And with the history of Kickstarter, you know people are going to be more careful of what they back, because they, or others, have been burned before.

badp

@TimStone the same happened to GMail and no one complained

Sterno

I strongly suspect, from what I've heard about constant newsletters asking for money, that the Elite: Dangerous devs don't have the money to refund a lot of pledges

Frank

But when Kickstarter was just starting out, there was no history to draw on.

badp

21:20

At some point Google just decided to remove the "BETA" label

Tim Stone

@badp Well the difference is Gmail actually works.

badp

without doing anything special to accompany that removal

Sterno

They used it to create (in their minds) the best game they could with the funding they had. A fundamental problem with the idea that at the end, everyone should be able to back out if they don't like the final product means that money used to develop the game was never really theirs to begin with, which kills the entire point of kickstarter

badp

well, then, here's a better approach to Steam Early Access, given that if you bought Spacebase DF9 today when it's not on Early Access anymore you'd still get burned

Tim Stone

In that case they pretty much just decided to stop development and declared what they had the "release". I'm not much bothered by it considering I went in with an expectation of some risk, but if I had to rank it against my Kickstarter backings I'd say it's so far the worst ROI I've gotten.

badp

21:22

If you like what the game is like today and you feel the price is right, buy it. You get to play it immediately and you get lifelong updates for free

Sterno

So then it comes down to basically an argument or whether or not failure to deliver very specific features of a game should be considered a failure to deliver at all

badp

I like what Crypt of the Necrodancer is today and I'm happy for my purchase, even if I'm missing the entire stage 4

Tim Stone

@TimStone (that said it's not a worthless ROI so even by that measure I've still made out pretty good thusfar)

Chippies

I.. still don't understand where the idea of an offline single player mode came...

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk Pretend I just messaged you on steam.

Frank

21:22

@Sterno It would depend on your specific motivation for backing the project was.

Tim Stone

@Chippies The guy said something in a AMA or something

Sterno

@badp Singing shopkeeper = automatic value

Tim Stone

From what I gathered.

badp

people have enjoyed the hell out of Path of Exile even if it took them one year+ after release to finish chapter 3

Tim Stone

@OrigamiRobot Can I pretend too?

Chippies

21:23

@TimStone so, a guy said something in an AMA... That doesn't seem like a 100% trustable promise

Sterno

@Frank I understand that's your viewpoint. I guess what I'm saying is Kickstarter can't really work that way. Otherwise the devs can't count on the money they're spending. Some unknown quantity will have to be given back at the end of they don't perfectly deliver everything.

Chippies

the kickstarter page mentions nothing about an offline mode

Sterno

If that's what you as a customer want, do not fund a game that is not complete.

Origami Robot

@TimStone Please do.

Tim Stone

@Chippies I know, right? People say all sorts of shit on reddit.

badp

21:24

@Chippies a promise is a promise and promises can be legally binding

Chippies

the blog post where they "drop the offline support" is written in a way that doesn't say that they "got rid" of the offline mode, they are just reminding that the online connection is gonna make the single player better

Frank

@Sterno The problem is that backers have no recourse, and the developers are not accountable to their backers.

Lazers

0

Q: Where can I see the approval rating of my companions?

I'm pretty much constantly seeing notifications like "Solas approves" or "Cassandra disapproves", but I still have no idea on how much my companions approve or disapprove of myself in general. I assume those individual actions are accumulated into an overall rating, but I couldn't find anything i...

dragon-age-inquisition

0

Q: How many different endings are there?

So I know of the alternate ending you get in 15 minutes of the game starting, I know you can get the ending where you kill Pagan Min, but are there different endings depending on who I sided with and the actions I made in game? So for my first run I sided with Amita but I made the decision not t...

far-cry-4

Frank

They can do wildly unpopular things, and after the project is backed, backers have absolutely no method of displaying their disapproval with those actions.

Sterno

If I give you $5 and send you to Taco Bell to get me 3 burritos, a taco, and a Coke, and you come back with 3 burritos and a coke and tell me the taco would have made it $6, so you got me what you could, it would probably be unreasonable for me to refuse the food you did buy for me and demand my $5 back.

Tim Stone

21:25

That's not much different than EULAs which absolve the company from all responsibility

Sterno

@Frank This is exactly what can happen, yes.

Chippies

@Sterno eat the burrito and ask for a refund

badp

@Sterno why?

Frank

@Sterno But there's also that personal social aspect to that.

Sterno

To be clear, I sympathize with the unhappy people. I've been burned by Kickstarter too

badp

21:26

I mean, if the person who gave $5 agrees to suck it up, fine

Frank

Kickstarter buffers it to the point where the developers can be (and have been) entirely tone deaf to any criticism, and there is no downside to them doing so.

Sterno

@badp Remind me to never pick up a lunch order for you.

badp

@Sterno will do

Tim Stone

Negative press is kind of a downside, you can't eat Taco Bell on KS funds forever.

badp

I don't think there's the risk anyway

Frank

21:28

If a friend went, "Uh, hey, that $5 you gave me, I figured I'd get you something more awesome, but you'll have to wait, but it'll be awesome, promise!", and didn't listen when I was trying to tell him I didn't like his choice, I can punch him in the face for his choice.

Tim Stone

@Sterno It's okay, if he refuses to take the food I'll eat it

Sterno

@badp Just remember that when we all meet up for an Arqade bash in 2037!

@TimStone And I'll keep his $5, because who carries cash anymore anyway?

Tim Stone

But I require a discount for my services rendered.

Frank

That buffer allows devs to downplay their unpopular choices, which amount to, "Welp, don't like it, too bad, suckers!"

badp

@Sterno I'll just go with you and keep you company

Sterno

21:29

@badp That's the non-Kickstarter option! I approve!

Frank

@Sterno raises hand

Yuuki

@Frank It's interesting how many hypothetical situations on The Bridge end in possible assault & battery charges.

Jason Berkan

@Sterno Do you realize how old we'll be in 2037?

Frank

Comes in handy in those rare instances where someone won't accept plastic.

Origami Robot

@JasonBerkan 50

Sterno

21:29

@JasonBerkan ...

badp

@Sterno people will ask "is that your grandson" and we can pretend it's true. It'll be beautiful

Sterno

@JasonBerkan Well, on the plus side, we won't see relatively old.

Yuuki

@JasonBerkan @Sterno will be... how old will the Earth be in 2037?

Origami Robot

@Yuuki 2037 according to some.

Tim Stone

@Yuuki We are the Bridge of a prison ship, as it turns out.

Sterno

21:31

Thanks for refilling my drama meter. It was low.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot I pretended to inb4 your message on steam like 30 minutes ago

Origami Robot

Oct 29 at 16:04, by Origami Robot

@Unionhawk Good, good.

Frank

@Sterno Does arguing really count as drama?

Unionhawk

I think we can all agree that, at the core, Kickstarter is a scam. And if you don't agree, then, well, whatever.

Sterno

I need to find the articles about Mike Nystul's kickstarters, where he used funds from later Kickstarters to fund the first ones, and to move to a new town, and to go to gaming conventions, and basically never delivered anything. I want to see smoke come out of @Frank's ears.

@Frank It counts enough.

Frank

21:35

@Sterno It won't happen, because I have enough of my own Kickstarter issues to deal with.

Which is cheerfully lambasting the Star Command devs for their utterly stupid design choices, and being 2.5 years late on delivering the promised product.

Sterno

My favorite are the RPG Kickstarters that tell you the books "went to the printers and will ship any day". They tell you that about 5 times, 6 months apart, with no reason why the first 4 times never happened. And then don't update for a year. And then after that year, say "They'll ship soon"

Totally believable!

Jason Berkan

@Sterno Kickstarters "the cheque is in the mail", eh?

Tim Stone

> Mr. Cole offered the Apple team a gruesome prediction: At some future date, a child will die, and police will say they would have been able to rescue the child, or capture the killer, if only they could have looked inside a certain phone.

...I don't even

Sterno

Nystul's stuff

Tim Stone

Ignoring how fear-mongerish that is, how would they know they could have done that if they can't ever get into the phone?

Origami Robot

21:38

@JasonBerkan What's a checkway?

badp

@TimStone think of the child!

the one child.

just one.

Yuuki

@TimStone We should be able to hyperbole the other way too. At some future date, the police will have access to everyone's phone at any time because of poor crypto and we'll become a police state.

Lazers

0

Q: Is there any difference if I grab or destroy the mask?

One of the things to collection are mask of a serial killer. You can grab or destroy them. Does it make any difference in the reward?

far-cry-4

0

Q: ETS2 No "Edit Profile" in my game

I resently download a mod for ETS2 and from that I already read it supposed to has a button that write "Edit Profile" when launch my game to enable the mod..... BUT it doesn't.Any ideas?My OS is Win8 and the version of the game 1.1.1 .THANX

euro-truck-simulator-2

Tim Stone

@Yuuki Now that's just crazy talk!

badp

it's even easier to think of the children! How many children? All of them? ALL? Man, that's a lot of children. Maybe even an alot of children.

Yuuki

21:40

And then the police will start killing children that talk bad about the police.

The horror! Think of the children!

Tim Stone

@badp Actually I feel the takeaway from this is that Mr. Cole is planning to abduct a child.

Unionhawk

54 secs ago, by Tim Stone

@Yuuki Now that's just crazy talk!

Tim Stone

Someone should probably look into this before he gets a new iPhone.

Sterno

@Frank You'd particularly like the Nystul stuff because it's clear he lied about how far along the project was when he brought it to Kickstarter.

Frank

@Sterno Those sound like fraud lawsuits waiting to happen.

Blem

21:40

►

Sterno

@Frank I guess, but I'm pretty sure there's no money to be recovered.

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk @TimStone Pretend steam again

Unionhawk

@Frank Liklihood that they're banking on it not being worth it to people: 1000%

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot After I pressed ENTER, I realized I couldn't have written a more Canadian sentence if I'd tried. (Well, maybe I needed to throw in a "sorry".)

Frank

@Sterno And that's what indenturing his lifetime's earnings is for.

Especially when it's that clear it was entirely wilful fraud.

Yuuki

21:42

> Now that's a lot of... miles per hour!

Final ping, I swear.

Unionhawk

@Yuuki How many fasts/second is a lot of miles per hour?

Origami Robot

@JasonBerkan You don't say "the post"?

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Not enough fasts/second.

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot I don't. It's a big country, though.

Origami Robot

I don't believe you!

Unionhawk

21:45

Yeah! I bet Canada is secretly a tiny country

Jason Berkan

Population-wise, it is. There are more people in California than in Canada.

Frank

@Sterno If you really want some drama, there's a user on MSE who keeps insisting on crossposting questions being an awesome thing, no matter the number of times people disagree with him. Apparently, he's been told this several times, and has a second account on P.SE to continue tilting at the windmill.

Yuuki

@Blem I'm still sad they didn't have the trophy fall over onto his face at the end.

Blem

yea

spugsley

PEOPLE OF THE BRIDGE

HI

HOW ARE YOU

Yuuki

21:48

GIRL OF THE @SPUGSLEY, I AM DOING WELL.

Tim Stone

Dramalicious

spugsley

@Yuuki DA is MUCH better now

Blem

im a little sick, but other wise good, thank you for asking @spugsley

spugsley

I was actually having fun last night :3

Yuuki

So it turns out I had to restart my DA file.

spugsley

21:48

@Blem awww :( feel better!

@Yuuki omg why!

Yuuki

@spugsley So turning off in-game Origin worked?

@spugsley DA Keep didn't port my World State properly.

spugsley

@Yuuki it helps a LOT. And so I put everything down to low with meshes on high and the performance is great and the graphics aren't terrible at all. I also installed some beta stuff for my video card that seems to really be helping

Yuuki

So I was using the default rather than the one I customized in the Keep.

James

@TimStone That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Yuuki

@spugsley Whoo!

Powerlord

21:53

Oh yeah, speaking of video card stuff, I hear its safe to install the latest nVidia drivers if you have Alien: Isolation. Unlike the last ones, the new ones don't crash the game on level change.

badp

@James I like this part

> Mr. Cole predicted that [changing the law to require all companies that handle communications to provide a means for law enforcement to access the communications] would happen, after the death of a child or similar event.

James

@badp Well I do certainly hope we as American's are not going to be that stupid.

badp

"we are so shallow that, while we can allow multiple school shootings per year without touching the gun control issue with a ten foot pole, we will be taking the first opportunity to turn it against Apple!"

James

But our history kind of belies that as of late.

Unionhawk

@badp Oh lord please don't drive this bus in that direction

Tim Stone

21:55

@badp I'm telling you, someone needs to keep an eye on that guy. His insight into the future is a little too keen for my liking.

Unionhawk

I WILL JUMP OUT OF THE BUS

Tim Stone

All in favour of @badp driving more Eurotruckbusses say aye

badp

@TimStone I do have it now!

but it doesn't run on Linux

and my copy of LyX for Windows is fucked in mysterious ways

and I need LyX

in particular, C:\Program Files (x86)\Lyx\Python\python.exe crashes immediately with "no module named sites"

BUT! That is not the original error message

The original error message was a syntax error in C:\Tools\Python\Lib\site.py

who put a copy of Python 3.4.2 in C:\Tools\Python?

why is Python 2.whatever in C:\Program Files (x86)\Lyx\Python\ looking at it?

who knows!

and I blame @LessPop_MoreFizz

Lazers

0

Q: Why is my EPS red?

For some reason my total EPS readout has turned red, and is much lower than it should be? What's going on, and is there any way to fix it?

the-monolith

James

@Lazers Well if you wouldn't pirate the software you would be fine

badp

22:03

naughty @SaintWacko?

SaintWacko

@badp What?

James

@badp @SaintWacko No idea :D Just seems like something a game company would do :)

SaintWacko

@James ...what?

It's... a free online clicker game...

badp

@SaintWacko YOU ARE PIRATING A FREE GAME

SaintWacko

@badp -.-

badp

22:04

IS THERE NO END TO YOUR DEPRAVITY

James

@badp Indeed! How DARE he!

@badp Are you working in autocad too now?

badp

no

I use UPPERCASE to highlight IMPORTANT words because UPPERCASE is the BEST COLOR.

Unionhawk

You don't have to be using autocad to use caps

badp

SOMETIMES ALL WORDS ARE IMPORTANT.

James

@Unionhawk What you say?

Unionhawk

22:06

@James YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE USING AUTOCAD TO USE CAPS

Sorry, it is loud in here

James

SOMETIMES NO WORDS ARE IMPORTANT BUT THE IDEA THEY CONVEY ECHOS BACK TO THEM SO THEY APPEAR TO BE!

On an unrelated note

What do you guys think?

86ish mods, mostly immersion based.. 145 ESP files.

badp

3spooky5me

James

For those who have played Skryim, that is the end of Bleak Falls Barrow

SaintWacko

@James First shout, right?

James

@SaintWacko First word, pre-dragon battle. That is where you pick up the tablet.

SaintWacko

22:09

@James Er, word, yeah

James

It just gave me one of those moments of 'Woah, this is a game I am playing that looks like this' :D

And on top of that, its a game that is 3 years old (Happy belated birthday Skyrim!!!)

3ventic

@James Looks pretty good

I prefer Skyrim a bit more colourful, like this

Also darker. A lot darker.

badp

4dark6me

Unionhawk

4dark8me

of course /r/3spooky5me is a thing

why would it not be a thing

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp :IIAM: is best smiley.

Origami Robot

22:20

@Unionhawk Yes, you do.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot Oh, my mistake

James

@3ventic Trust me the outside world is Very saturated with color

So much so that it took me a bit to get used to it :D

But after a few days if feels a bit more solid. I was concerned that I would remove the harsh feeling of the land by coloring it up a bit

And I have to be careful with Darker

Unionhawk

I don't like games too dark, personally

James

I am going to be recording an LP series with this mod pack :D

Unionhawk

It's just, I don't know

Origami Robot

22:23

I attempted to replay Skyrim with mods and was near instantly overwhelmed by the selection.

James

@3ventic There are areas where you clearly need a torch (or its pitch black) but places like the end of bleak falls where you can see sunlight streaming in, do still get some ambiance from that. (I am using Climates of Tamriel, Enhanced Lighting and FX, and Immersive Interiors to get the mood right)

@OrigamiRobot Its very possible to have that happen.. Very Very.

I suggest going to GEMS or STEP or Mod Sanctuary to get a 'filter' for the mods out there.

Unionhawk

I need to tweak my mod selection a little to include this

badp

@Unionhawk I mean, this is pretty spooky.

Origami Robot

"That one seems neat, and that one, and that one, and that one, ok fuck it"

Unionhawk

My skyrim is very lightly modded, really

James

22:25

@OrigamiRobot gist.github.com/crysyn/e48e5492a4c30f85d25b

Unionhawk

SkyUI and some others

James

My mod list in their load order.

Unionhawk

(I almost said "Inventory Tweaks" then I remembered that's a Minecraft mod)

James

@Unionhawk LoL

I was tired last night while streaming it and said 'This is a heavily modified version of Minecraft' instead of Skyrim :D

They didnt let me live that down for the rest of the night

Unionhawk

That's amazing

Origami Robot

22:27

I am so hungry

spugsley

@OrigamiRobot TOO MANY COOKS

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot Then eat food

Origami Robot

Someone feed me

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot No

Origami Robot

:(

Lazers

22:28

0

Q: Are dots of a different color in midst of a closed circuit removed?

When you close a boundary which has dots of different colors in midst of them, are these different color dots deleted and counted as score?

dots

Origami Robot

I'm sure @TimStone can relate

Tim Stone

Yes :(

Origami Robot

istimstonehungry.com

Unionhawk

Dammit now I'm really hungry too

This is the worst

You're the worst

Tim Stone

@OrigamiRobot I should just make that redirect to shouldiblamecaching.com

MY HUNGER MAY BE CACHED

Origami Robot

22:30

Things I have eaten today: Coffee, a donut, AutoCAD

Unionhawk

That third one can't be healthy

Origami Robot

It isn't.

My stomach is grumbling.

Unionhawk

Oh, that's why I'm really hungry, I'm unmedicated

Woo

focus level: -1, hunger level: 7

awake level: 4

Lazers

0

Q: PS3 membership accessing ps4 content

If I have a PSmembership using a PS3....do I need a new membership for PS4? Can I log in to the PSnetwork with my member info from PS3 and access PS4 content?

ps4

badp

22:46

@Unionhawk out of what?

Unionhawk

10-ish

It's a floating scale

badp

now to wait 12 minutes to get back to full health

thanks placenta

MadMAxJr

After rigorously monitoring, viewing, flagging, and editing the 'First Post' review queue, I wish we had a flag for "Death by grammar education".\

badp

Grammar kills

Don't drink and grammar.

James

This is grammar. This is grammar on the internet. Any questions?

MadMAxJr

22:57

I peek at the queue while I wait for automated processes to finish in testing.. And when I look into the First Post queue, the First Posts look back.

Unionhawk

what do you mean grammar is obsolete i think that this is perfectly acceptabale

I had to try to do that

I hope you're happy

badp

@MadMAxJr *looks

MadMAxJr

The spike of 'Halp minecraft broke UNFORMATTED LOG' is just an unending tidalwave.

SaintWacko

Oh geez

Polyphemus is horrible with Azazel

Unionhawk

@MadMAxJr One day Link stared into the abyss... and the abyss stared back

forbidden woods music

badp

22:59

@SaintWacko I do believe you gain a lot of damage

SaintWacko

@badp Oh, yeah, I guess so

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