The Bridge

Raven Dreamer

20:00

That doesn't apply when you start with 101 and can comment freely. (IMO)

user30

yay import code working

Arda Xi

Hmm, Diaspora's pretty good. It's basically Google++

user30

I tried it when they first made the GH repo public.

user30

It didn't convince me at the time

Raven Dreamer

Diaspora is way older though.

Arda Xi

20:04

@ThomasMcDonald Yeah, it's got a lot better.

@RavenDreamer Way? Maybe 6 months or something.

Point is, Google+ copied Diaspora. While Google lagged behind, Diaspora continued to innovate.

user30

I stopped following it on GH because at the time it was even drowning out the Rails events

user30

which takes some doing

Raven Dreamer

@ArdaXi I may be confusing my social networks. Was Diaspora the same thing as Appleseed?

badp

I dunno. Wave was pretty innovative :P

Arda Xi

@RavenDreamer No.

Raven Dreamer

20:05

@ArdaXi Then never mind. I have no idea what Diaspora is.

Arda Xi

@RavenDreamer It's the same basic idea. Federated social networking.

With aspects, Google's circles.

I have joindiaspora.com invites.

user30

can has?

Arda Xi

Sure. Email?

badp

I wouldn't mind an invite, but this is perhaps the wrong moment to fuck around

user30

also that ^

Arda Xi

20:09

Err?

I have unlimited invites far as I can tell, so..

I'm working to get it integrated with Facebook.

Anyway, if anyone wants an invite, just give me your email.

badp

[email protected]

Arda Xi

Sent.

badp

OMG I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR FIVE SECONDS AND I STILL DON'T HAVE MY EMAIL OH GOD OH GOD

Lazers

1

Q: Input a 63 character WPA2 Key on a XBOX 360S

I have a wireless network with quite a few devices. I just got a brand new XBOX 360S, 4Gig version. My last console was a Coleco Vision. I connected the XBox to my router and it applied many updates. But I need it to be wireless. The xbox sees my wireless network, with a strong signal. I type...

badp

...there's an animated gif of a cat in the invitation email

2

Arda Xi

20:18

Neat.

badp

lol, your gender is a free text input field

user30

awww yeah

user30

@badp Yeah, quite a few people have written about that

badp

I know there's been a lot of noise about Google+'s way of doing it, but... if it's "other", perhaps the details are a bit TMI

user30

se import, now with post histories.

user30

20:20

sweet.

Arda Xi

@badp It's all about giving people the freedom.

user30

Great news everyone!

user30

It's my 18th in 11 days.

badp

Danger danger.

user30

That was a PSA.

badp

20:22

Do you expect us to remember in 11 days?

user30

Nope.

user30

I shall have to remind you again.

GnomeSlice

Hurray, I'm a slave again!

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: of Gaming's StackExchange™ AlienOverlord AskQuestion™ mothership, wherein any attempt to play or discuss unapproved games will result in termination by lazer and an increase in the topic's length. Just kidding, the topic doesn't need your help to get longer, although you CAN help it accelerate. Ask Thomas for details. Oh, and we're also chargin' our lazers, obviously. I'm making a note here: wish Tom a happy 18th on the 16th. [wipqozn-gravitation-law]

@ThomasMcDonald Too late ♫

user30

><

Arda Xi

20:22

@ThomasMcDonald Do you expect us to care in 11 days?

user30

@ArdaXi Absolutely not.

user30

but naturally, I will

user30

@GnomeSlice Wat.

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald HammerFight. New Profile.

user30

oh.

user30

20:24

I get the feeling I should probably download that

user30

did you say it was in the humble bundle?

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice Please stop spelling it like that.

@ThomasMcDonald Yes.

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald It is.

@ArdaXi Sorry. HammerFall.

user30

Which one?

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice Or like that.

GnomeSlice

20:25

@ArdaXi It's the name.

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald 3rd

GnomeSlice

It's all one word.

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice No, Hammerfight is the name.

user30

was that the frozenbyte one, or the one after?

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald The one after.

user30

20:25

like the most recent one? I'll have to dig around me email

user30

@ArdaXi Alright, cheers.

Arda Xi

It goes One, Two, Frozenbyte, Three.

I think someone needs to teach them to count at some point.

user30

heh.

Arda Xi

Frozenbyte is not a number.

GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi It should be.

user30

20:26

You should think of it as (one sec)

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice No, no it should not.

badp

(If only Diaspora wasn't this slow)

Arda Xi

@badp True, but I think that's just because they're handing out lots of invites as of late.

user30

        - Frozenbyte
      /
1 - 2 - 3

Arda Xi

git-rebase Frozenbyte master

user30

20:28

Although that would suggest a branch.

user30

should have used a pipe rather than /

user30

<3 git rebase

user30

until it decides to conflict.

Arda Xi

            - Frozenbyte
          /
1 - 2 - 3

git push origin master

Now it's 1 - 2 - 3 - Frozenbyte

user30

not if frozenbyte is still on a branch.

user30

20:31

wait wait.

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald That's what rebase does.

It checks out master and then puts the commits of the branch on top of it.

user30

no, rebase moves the branching point forward

user30

but it doesn't merge (well, it does)

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald Oh, right.

I read it wrongly.

But a workflow using git-rebase is awesome.

user30

here we are

user30

20:34

I've only recently... understood exactly why rebase is useful.

Arda Xi

It maintains the chronology.

GnomeSlice

Well, that was dumb.

I accidentally skipped the Ruby Challenge.

user30

idiot.

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald Ah, well, it's just a placeholder profile anyway.

Lazers

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Q: Optimal probe configuration and strategy for scanning?

I read that recently the scanning mechanics changed and that now more than four probes count for calculating the signal strength. Before, the optimal configuration for drones was obviously a tetraeder, but with more than four drones now it gets more complicated. What is the optimal drone configu...

eve-online

user30

20:37

@GnomeSlice that's alreet then.

GnomeSlice

I don't want to be Scrooge McDuck the Peacemaker!

The Ironfist was so much more awesome.

Wipqozn

Oh my. I just notice the room is tagged with Wipqozn's law. That is fairly fantastic.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn That's been there for weeks.

Wipqozn

Apparently I don't pay enough attention to the room description.

user30

That's been there for several days

user30

20:51

Aug 30 at 11:37, by badp

room topic changed to The Suspension Bridge: of Gaming's StackExchange™ AlienOverlord AskQuestion™ mothership, wherein any attempt to play or discuss unapproved games will result in termination by lazer and increase of the topic length. [wipqozn-gravitation-law]

Arda Xi

Heh.

badp

What were you expecting?

Raven Dreamer

The Bridge really needs a less inane chat description.

No wonder Jeff doesn't take Gaming seriously.

Wipqozn

It's a chat room. I don't see it's description as a sizable concern.

FallenAngelEyes

@RavenDreamer Somehow I don't think our chat desc is his biggest issue :P

badp

21:04

@RavenDreamer So I should completely disrespect Super User because their room name is Root Access and not Least Privileges?

"Watch us run Firefox as root! dun dun dun."

I think a little banter helps cementify a community, so long as it doesn't alienate the targets thereof.

If it has to happen at the expense of the starred list, or the room topic, then so be it :P

Obviously we could use "Gaming's main room" but that'd be... yet another room, for yet another Q&A site.

In a way, that's as close of a community branding as we can get

I like it, but you don't have to. Certainly we don't have progamers here to warrant high-and-mighty attitudes (I mean, afaik the closest we get is frikkin' Thomas!!)

(We do have pro-hatters here though.)

Perhaps we need to make hats.money.stackexchange.com

featuring almost-gold-wrenched @Powerlord

Wipqozn

@badp I thought most people in the room came from a programming background? Or did I misunderstand what you said.

Arda Xi

badp

@Wipqozn pro-gamers, not pro-grammers

Arda Xi

@badp I think EL&U gets the pro-grammars.

badp

@ArdaXi Some people just watch the world burn.

@ArdaXi Did you mean, pro-grammars

Arda Xi

21:13

All pyros just want to watch the world burn.

Wipqozn

@badp Oh, okay.

badp

@ArdaXi This one does clearly.

Arda Xi

Maybe he doesn't.

Wipqozn

@badp I think he did. To think, our little @ArdaXi made the the spelling grammar with an e mistake.

Arda Xi

Maybe he is looking at the fires he started with an overwhelming feeling of guilt and remorse.

Wipqozn

21:13

I have lost faith.

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn I did that intentionally.

badp

I can clearly see it by enhancing the inner reflection

Arda Xi

Oh, by the way, this is a reproducible bug.

user30

@badp wat.

badp

@ThomasMcDonald Didn't you get that medal for partaking in some kind of competition?

user30

21:15

lol, yes.

badp

Well then. I sure haven't

user30

<333

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald Your heart has a double chin.

user30

@Arda Yeah, that always seems to happen

Arda Xi

21:18

Hmm, maybe the Ruby community isn't so bad.

user30

Anyway, I guess that makes Jeff's point moot, since coming somewhere near the bottom in a semi-competitive tournament makes me a progamer.

user30

@Arda not sure whether to pin.

Arda Xi

They're still hipsters, mind you.

But, well, being a dickhead's cool.

badp

import ruby
ImportError: Could not find module elitism

runs

Arda Xi

Ruby is still way out of my comfort zone

badp

21:20

(No, I haven't really tried it. The above is totally undeserved.)

Arda Xi

But I'm not going to find a job at an enterprisey company that can afford to use .NET anytime soon.

And all the start-ups use Ruby.

badp

I'm still kinda hiding behind the FUD of totally editable primitives

like you could change int so that 2+2 backs up your db and 0/0 formats your hard drive

Arda Xi

You can do that in a lot of languages.

Including C.

badp

Python's int can't be fucked with, AFAIK

and I'm unaware of ways to (re)define operators in C

Arda Xi

Actually, you can overload operators in Python.

user30

21:22

No skipping in Vimeo is annoying.

badp

Yes, but you can't touch int

user30

but you can't make int do lots of wonderful things

badp

you can make my_int and change its __add__ to your heart's desire, but then you must construct that object explicitly

Arda Xi

@badp Anyway, is that an issue?

badp

I said it's mostly FUD

I dunno if it can be done in the first place

and how far does this change spread

Arda Xi

21:24

Only in files that include the overload.

badp

uh... so I can have different versions of inbuilt types based on the file my variable is in?

Arda Xi

@badp Only if you're a really bad programmer.

If you're not, I doubt you'll ever even touch int's methods.

badp

like, I can send an unsuspecting somebody an "infected" variable that... oh wait, you can do that in Python too

...if he's not careful anyway

Arda Xi

If I can send you an infected file

I can modify your python runtime.

So at that point, I think all is moot.

badp

Well you do need escalation to do that

user30

21:26

bah, I'm trying to find the clip where DHH mocks JAtwood about his fear of monkey patching

Arda Xi

@badp Not necessarily.

I can modify your path, right?

user30

it's somewhere in the middle of his why ruby keynote at rubyconf

user30

but I'm trying to find a video where I can link to it

Arda Xi

Ruby Koans is an awesome way to learn the language though.

your path thus far [.....X____________________________________________] 32/274

\o/

user30

@ArdaXi Looks cool

user30

21:31

Not seen that before

Arda Xi

It's a TDD approach to learning the language

Starts out like this

  def test_hash_keys
    hash = { :one => "uno", :two => "dos" }
    assert_equal __, hash.keys.size
    assert_equal __, hash.keys.include?(:one)
    assert_equal __, hash.keys.include?(:two)
    assert_equal __, hash.keys.class
  end

Then you fill in the blanks, if you get stuck you run the test suite which tells you what it expects.

user30

oh cool

Arda Xi

If all the tests run, you know Ruby.

Raven Dreamer

Whoa.

user30

2, true, true, Array

user30

21:32

I think?

Raven Dreamer

The subtitle of Donkey Kong Country 2 is "Diddy's Kong Quest" instead of "Diddy Kong's Quest".

I like Ruby. I used it to mass-rewrite my dwarf fortress RAWs.

Arda Xi

The Master says:
You have not yet reached enlightenment.
You are progressing. Excellent. 38 completed.

user30

@Arda Is that good?

user30

hah

Arda Xi

rubykoans.com

Yes.

user30

21:37

found the video

user30

skip to 34:30 for reference to Jeff. and unicorns.

Lazers

0

Q: Where is the shopkeeper in Hengsha?

I managed to find the shopkeeper once, shortly after arriving at Hengsha, however I'm no longer able to locate him. My inventory is full, and I'd like to sell off my extra items to clear up space. On your first visit to Hengsha, where is the shopkeeper located?

deus-ex-human-revolution

user30

> you probably shouldn't make other people's programs shoot out fireworks by changing String. People won't want to be friends with you or follow you on GitHub if you do

Arda Xi

Do they have a String.fireworks now?

Nick T

@ThomasMcDonald OH GOD PYTHON IS SO UGLY 15:00

user30

21:43

@Nick true though

Arda Xi

@NickT The parameter name jammed right up to the value? Uh!

It's just not right!

Nick T

could put spaces there

Arda Xi

Assignment is between a variable and a value only.

Nick T

Does Ruby automatically generate docstrings with the normal comment delim?

Arda Xi

Protect the sanctity of assignment. Vote Ruby over Python.

Nick T

21:46

it's assigning the value of the argument

this argument = that

Arda Xi

Yeah, I know.

user30

wierd-cool is by far the best argument

Nick T

?

user30

Ruby is the best because the community thinks it's cool to make weird books explaining the language

user30

and Rails for Zombies.

user30

21:51

also hipsters

Nick T

and now at 41:00 he's complaining about type-safety as though it has no use...doesn't it make building compilers much easier for way back when (e.g. C?)

user30

@Nick Nah, it's just for pissing people off.

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald What’s in his trachea? Oh, look, a Nokia!

@NickT Type-safety has a lot of use, like identifying bugs as you make them.

user30

@Arda Objection!

Arda Xi

Overruled.

user30

21:55

awww.

Arda Xi

Seriously. I mean, it can be annoying, but it makes stuff easier.

You know exactly what your code is going to be doing.

If you want a value to be something else, you can cast or convert it.

user30

I know exactly what my code is going to be doing, because I wrote it and understand it

Nick T

Yeah, but can a compiler determine it as easily?

user30

but someone else has already done that bit for me

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald Did you write the interpreter of the language?

Nick T

21:58

there's a C compiler that supports dynamic typing?

user30

@Arda No, but I trust when I store a String in a variable it isn't going to magically become a Float.

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald See.

You need trust for that.

But you can't know that. There can be edge cases in which it could happen, or a bug.

With a strongly typed language, there isn't.

user30

but then what's to say that in your strongly typed language a String won't magically become a float after assignment?

Arda Xi

I'm not saying strong typing is better, I'm just saying they both have their virtues.

user30

you also need trust for that

Arda Xi

22:00

@ThomasMcDonald I can't pass a float to a function that expects a String and only a String.

Nick T

@ArdaXi Depends which language

Arda Xi

@NickT We're talking strongly typed languages.

user30

@ArdaXi You can if your interpreter/compiler decides you can

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald Then it won't be a strongly typed language any more.

badp

I now rest happily knowing that in each machine at Twitter, there's a method for accessing the forty second item of any array loaded in memory and purposefully useless

Nick T

22:02

?

Arda Xi

@badp Err?

badp

Minutes 28-31 of that talk

user30

@Arda You also need trust that the compiler/interpreter isn't going to fuck around.

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald Fair enough.

user30

regardless of the typing

Arda Xi

22:05

But any good IDE will pick that syntax error up before it touches a compiler.

user30

@badp That is actually in the code as well.

user30

pastie.org/2488114

user30

I thought he was joking

badp

@ThomasMcDonald That's what I got yes

So long as you're adding methods I see no problem

If you start changing them...

user30

Perhaps the most useful extensions are those for dealing with time

user30

22:07

In terms of legibility, 5.minutes.ago is satisfying.

badp

1.minutes.ago? :P

user30

alias :minute :minutes

user30

:)

Arda Xi

@ThomasMcDonald So can you also do 5.minutes.fromnow?

user30

5.minutes.from_now, yes

user30

22:14

this stuff is all the rails core_exts though

Nick T

do.it.now()

Lazers

0

Q: Where can I find beer for Letitia?

There's a informant in Detroit and the game has an option to give her beer, but apparently beggars can be choosers and she will only take one specific kind of beer. Where can I find that beer and what are the advantages for giving it tor her?

deus-ex-human-revolution

Nick T

22:37

I think this video changed how I will play the game

►

CyberSkull

gaming.stackexchange.com/tags/shop/info

I edited the tag wiki to reflect that it should only be for in game shopping. ;)

Kevin Y

@Mana I think somebody is in the Mana Fan Club!

30

Q: What can I do to secure my towns/castles/hovels from climbing spiders?

So with the latest patch spiders can climb walls. What can we do to secure our towns/castles/hovels against these new mobile menaces? Does adding a lip to the wall work? Or is there some block they won't climb?

minecraft

Tim Stone

:D

@NickT I feel like if that doesn't change the dialog at the end of the game, it definitely should.

CruelCow

@NickT Is it weird that the best moment in the game for me was when I realised I can punch everybody? Dissing my augs? punch

badp

22:55

@TimStone It might change the dialog after the game

in the FBI Debriefing Call DLC

Tim Stone

Hah :P

badp

9,980 precious Meta reps. Somebody downvoted me, leaving at 9,978, but I had a Grace answer to accept and I'm back to round numbers.

Tim Stone

Huh, I'm exactly 1500 reps behind you.

badp

Ain't round numbers beautiful.

Tim Stone

nods

Mana

23:12

@KevinY What's amusing is that his actual answer isn't that bad if you just take out the expletives and fix up the spelling and grammar

He's just making it really hard to appreciate his presence on the site. Which is guess is kind of the point of what he's doing.

Kevin Y

Did you catch his most recent answer before he edited it within the 5 minute grace period?

Powerlord

23:33

Yay, a fourth season of Zero no Tsukaima is due out next year. \o/

Lazers

0

Q: What changes occur in Detroit and Heng Sha between trips to those locations?

I noticed when I returned to Detroit that some odd things had changed, but this was a very cursory look, so I don't know for sure: Broken walls were repaired. At least some computer terminals were un-hacked, even though I'd gotten every one available on the first run. Door panels were always st...

deus-ex-human-revolution

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