The Bridge

AJ Henderson

16:00

@RonanForman ok, I give up, it is pointless to have this debate with people who lack a fundamental understanding of economics. It just isn't going to go anywhere

Chippies

the person wouldn't be a thief (if the bread was taken on the way to being thrown out), but money would be lost, because the physical goods are being thrown out

Frank

Unless you're willing to use a digital good parallel, I don't think this is worth continuing.

MBraedley

I think something just needed to be starred.

user15026

@Wipqozn We should share one! :P

Frank

They're too different to compare in any sense.

Chippies

16:00

@Frank I have never heard a good digital parallel

Ronan Forman

@Chippies But it's being thrown out anyway, the 'thief' didn't have any part in that.

Frank

@AJHenderson I understand economics just fine. Just because I don't agree with your interpretation doesn't mean I don't understand it.

@Chippies Yeah, neither have I.

Jason Berkan

@MBraedley Yeah, my mental picture of NS totally did not include lakes. And I've been there.

Chippies

@RonanForman on an individual scale, the 'thief' is not costing anyone money, but it is lost money, due to the goods being lost

AJ Henderson

@Frank the entire point is to demonstrate the lack of understanding of the value that goes in to making a digital good available

any parallel with a digital good is going to have the same issue

Chippies

16:01

but it's not the thief's fault that the money is lost :P

2

AJ Henderson

but I agree it isn't going to go anywhere

Powerlord

I really hate it when people with gold badges close a question as a duplicate without stopping to think about it. In this case it was a duplicate, but not to the question the other person who voted to close indicated and didn't actually answer the question the person asked... who then deleted the question.

AJ Henderson

@Chippies unless they could have paid for the service

Ronan Forman

@Chippies So you'd be fine with taking a loaf of bread that would be thrown out anyway?

AJ Henderson

that's the distinction

Chippies

16:02

@RonanForman I would much rather take the loaf of bread than have it thrown out

Lazers

0

Q: Artificial Biomes

So I'm building my artificial biomes so I can farm certain things and have enemies spawn. The question is how big do the biomes need to be? So far I've built a crimson, underground jungle, surface jungle and a desert but none of them are spawning monsters. I've read the Guide on Artificial biomes...

terraria

Frank

@AJHenderson I understand the value just fine.

AJ Henderson

if someone needs the bread and couldn't pay, then it isn't greedy because they couldn't help, but if they are allowing someone else to take a loss (or less profit) because they don't feel like paying for the service

that's greed

Frank

But the part I disagree with is that people are not automatically entitled to compensation from their work.

MBraedley

@JasonBerkan Do you consider Bras D'Or (in Cape Breton) to be a large lake (relatively) or a very small sea, since it is salt water?

Chippies

16:03

personally, I don't think the bread parallel is very good anyway

another thing with piracy is that it's free advertising

AJ Henderson

@Chippies if your intent in pirating is to see if you like it before you buy it, I don't think it is bad

so yeah, I buy the free advertising argument

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

1

Airsoft

Proposed Q&A site for airsoft Enthusiasts

Currently in definition.

Jason Berkan

@MBraedley I'd probably call it a lake. We have a few salt / mineral water lakes out here.

Chippies

@AJHenderson or I could use something for free and then tell all my friends about this thing they would never hear about otherwise and they might buy it

AJ Henderson

just so long as you follow through and actually do buy it if you do like it

Ronan Forman

16:05

Okay, so they make 100 loaves, only 95 get sold, so next time they only make 95, now there is no waste. Done.
With the example of a movie, they spend $1m on making a movie, expecting $1.2m back, they only make $.6m so next time they only spend $.5m to expect $.6m back. Because of loads of people not paying, you end up with a worse movie.

Well a worse movie next time.

Frank

@RonanForman See, this is economics in a nutshell.

Ronan Forman

@Frank I know.

But it doesn't matter whether it's digital or not.

Frank

@RonanForman It really does.

The cost to produce the item is X.

The cost to distribute, for digital goods, is something like 1% or less of that cost.

AJ Henderson

and note that I don't think either Ronan or I is saying it is theft, it isn't since there isn't additional loss, but it is greedy to take something that required effort that they should have gotten compensation for if you are using the result of their effort

Frank

Digital goods are front-loaded.

Chippies

16:07

@AJHenderson I agree on the greed part

AJ Henderson

because you are effectively telling them and everyone else that contributed to the cost that you shouldn't have to also share a portion of the effort involved in the service

Frank

@AJHenderson I'm not saying it's ideal. It's not.

But I disagree completely with the point of piracy being a problem.

@AJHenderson No, no, and no some more.

AJ Henderson

@Frank would you agree that not consuming is a better option?

Frank

@AJHenderson Better option for who?

I read a decent article on the costs of piracy.

Ronan Forman

@Frank It is a problem, but it shouldn't be solved by making it harder to pirate, it should be solved by making it easier/more convenient to pay for it.

user15026

16:09

Guys, can we like...not make this into a "your morals suck" style argument?

Frank

It's not just a cost in dollars and cents; there's a cost in convenience, and integrity as well.

AJ Henderson

@Frank not sure I follow what you mean, though it does intrigue me

Frank

For some people, pirating has a zero integrity cost. I am one of those.

Chippies

@AJHenderson I think pirating is a better option than not consuming for EVERYONE

by pirating something, I can either tell others about it or possibly even consider buying the goods at a later time

Frank

@AJHenderson Piracy and the four currencies

Chippies

16:11

by not consuming, I don't learn anything about the goods, I don't spread the word

AJ Henderson

@Chippies why would you want to tell others about it if it isn't worth paying for though?

Ronan Forman

It doesn't make any difference to the producer whether you pirate it or just don't watch it.

AJ Henderson

if it wasn't a valuable experience to you, then I wouldn't want to tell anyone anything other than stay away from it

Chippies

@AJHenderson because people have different values

AJ Henderson

now, that said, it may not be worth what they are asking for it

Chippies

16:12

what I might think is not worth paying the full price for, someone else might find totally acceptable

AJ Henderson

I would love to see a movie version of Humble Bundle personally

Chippies

if the goods are under 5$, I won't pirate it

Ronan Forman

But that doesn't mean that pirating things isn't bad for the producer, it's still a lost sale.

Chippies

if it's 10$ or above, I might, depending on what the goods are

and if I think it's worth the costs

user15026

I think a lot of this is a personal valuation judgment of the cost/value of a particular good or service, and I don't think anyone is going to really change anyone's mind.

user15026

16:13

If you don't wanna do the thing, great, but other people will, because they have a differing valuation of the item.

Chippies

@RonanForman pirating might be less lost sales than not consuming at all

consuming generates buzz about the product

buzz = sales

pirating is worse than buying, for the producer

but not consuming at all is worse than pirating

Ronan Forman

@Chippies Still lost sales, which is why people saying piracy isn't a problem are annoying, piracy is a problem, but making it hard to pirate things isn't the solution.

Making it easier to pay is.

Chippies

@RonanForman like @Frank said, piracy is a symptom

Ronan Forman

@Chippies Sort of.

But yeah.

Doesn't mean it's not bad though.

user15026

@RonanForman Exactly. It comes down to figuring out WHY people pirate (I mean there will always be people who pirate because they can, nature of the beast), instead of making it harder and thus driving more people to want to spend less on your media because you are blocking their access to it.

AJ Henderson

16:17

@Chippies yeah, and I think that goes towards the whole idea of try before you buy. It is kind of backwards that you can't return a movie if you find it really wasn't worth the cost

that I don't like

because there is no consumed cost, so if you watch the movie and go, that really wasn't worth $20, you should be able to get at least a partial refund I think.

Chippies

as for the movies, I can easily not consume and not care

I am very impartial about movies

I usually enjoy watching them at home, but it's such a limited experience that I wouldn't pay for it

that being said - I watch maybe one movie every 6 months

Ronan Forman

Ooooooohhhh, a game refund thing, you buy it, and then you can get like 70% refund that day, 60% the next etc.

Chippies

@RonanForman if it's digital, a lot of people won't even be able to download the game on the same day

Ronan Forman

@Chippies Well then time from the day of first play, which would be easy with something like steam.

Chippies

@RonanForman offline mode takes care of that

Ronan Forman

16:21

@Chippies Well fuck.

Chippies

indeed :P

AJ Henderson

@Chippies could start the timer from the first launch

in that case

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Well that's just boring. Your morals of trying to get along suck! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! BLOODSHED IS THE ONLY MORAL

Chippies

@AJHenderson again, offline mode takes care of that

AJ Henderson

though I'm not a big fan of that setup either, if it was really crappy, I don't think you should have to pay anything

Ronan Forman

16:22

Make it so it has to be played online first? But the you're making it harder to play legally, which makes the problem harder.

Chippies

unless it's an always-online game, which is always bad

AJ Henderson

@Chippies well, unless it is an inherent part of the game

it's ok for WoW to be always online

Ronan Forman

@AJHenderson You could up the starting refund to like 95% or even 100%, but then you could finish the game in 1 day and return.

user15026

@Wipqozn Shut up turtle.

Wipqozn

Also I have no idea whats going on, but I'll assume @KevinvanderVelden is to blame.

Chippies

16:23

@AJHenderson which is why more and more AAA games are integrating always-online features

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn whoa man. Whoa.

AJ Henderson

or just bring back demos

I mean, where did they go

Chippies

@AJHenderson to piratebay :P

user15026

@Wipqozn I saw a girl yesterday with a backpack that looks like a giant turtle shell. It amused me

AJ Henderson

haha

Ronan Forman

16:23

@Chippies Not always online, just one time online, which is only slightly better.

AJ Henderson

well, as previously mentioned, I have no issue at all with pirating to try and then discarding if it isn't worth the value asked

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Did you get her number? Pretty sure her and I are soul mates.

AJ Henderson

I wouldn't even argue that you owe them partial value since they are asking too much. Would be nice if there was a good way to give them partial value, but you can't really evaluate the value until you try it

Jason Berkan

@AJHenderson I think PAR had a story showing that demos reduced sales, as all the people that are unsure about the game play the demo and then decide not to purchase.

Chippies

@AJHenderson totally off-topic, but my wife just saw your name and asked if you're from Ontario

AJ Henderson

16:24

@JasonBerkan oh, I'm sure, but that isn't a bad thing in terms of fairness

@Chippies nope, Albany, NY area

Frank

My basic take is that, very often, the pirated product offers better service than the legitimate one. That means I spend less of my time and convenience, which is more important to me than my integrity, as I've tried the legal route and found it lacking.

Chippies

@AJHenderson okay, nevermind then :P

AJ Henderson

@JasonBerkan consumers aren't the only ones who can engage in practices that aren't fair to the other party

it does go both ways

Ronan Forman

@Frank Yes, but that isn't to say that piracy is fine, just that the solution isn't restrictive DRM.

Frank

@RonanForman Piracy isn't fine. But it's a rather good symptom of the problem.

Chippies

16:27

@RonanForman piracy is a temporary solution to restrictive DRM

Frank

The MPAA has indoctrinated people into thinking that consumption requires payment, and that downloading a movie is bad.

Ronan Forman

Because seriously, anyone who thinks that they can make DRM that will stop pirates is sadly mistaken.

Frank

Is it illegal? Yes. Is it actually wrong? I sincerely doubt that.

user15026

@Frank See, you can't really make that judgement for anyone but yourself because then it is a personal ethics thing

Frank

@AshleyNunn Indeed. And others can do as they like, and I will argue to the death my right to do the same. :P

user15026

16:28

And telling people their personal ethics are wrong is not really a thing we should be opening up to in here.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn I think this whole thing started with @Frank defending his position, rather than pushing his ethics on someone else

Wipqozn

I think we should all keep in mind that any drama which takes place in this room provides both @Sterno and I with amusement.

Do you really want @Sterno and I to be happy?

AJ Henderson

@RonanForman especially any DRM that doesn't also severely impede the rights of legitimate consumers

Frank

@Wipqozn I argue with @Sterno about more or less everything.

If he's happy, I can't be.

Ronan Forman

@AJHenderson All DRM impedes legitimate customers, even if it's only an extra second of validation time.

Frank

16:30

So, no, I don't want you guys to be happy.

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AJ Henderson

@RonanForman yes, but it doesn't have to be severely

Ronan Forman

@Frank What do you mean by 'good symptom'?

AJ Henderson

that said, I still prefer DRM free world

user15026

@Chippies Aye, I get where it started, I am just saying that as people run out of arguments it is hitting some "your ethics suck" type stuff so I kinda want to make sure that doesn't spread any farther.

Frank

@RonanForman It's a pretty easy thing to point to. Not as a problem, but as a symptom of the problem.

Not good as in, "This is a good thing"

Ronan Forman

16:33

@Frank Right.

AJ Henderson

@Frank so, to see if I understand correctly, basically you wish piracy wasn't neccessary, but you feel that because of the harm of the other issues, it does more good than harm, even if in an ideal world, it would do more harm than good?

is that an approximate understanding of what you are trying to say

Frank

8 mins ago, by Frank

My basic take is that, very often, the pirated product offers better service than the legitimate one. That means I spend less of my time and convenience, which is more important to me than my integrity, as I've tried the legal route and found it lacking.

In general, the pirated product is superior to the legitimate one.

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Not even including actual pricing.

Give me a legit product that offers the same in convenience and time, at a fair price point, and I'll buy it.

Because I buy a ton of stuff. I have no problems with doing so.

Ronan Forman

@Frank I think things like spotify and netflix are starting to fix this, because you are guaranteed a good quality movie/track.

AJ Henderson

@Frank this I can agree with, which is a big part of why I don't have a problem with using the pirated copy of anything I have legit if the need arose. I don't think a service provider should have the right to restrict my ability to consume content I bought a copy of

Ronan Forman

Or at least should be.

Frank

16:35

@RonanForman And they have actually lowered piracy dramatically, I believe.

Because they offer a legitimate service, with convenience that consumers want, at a price point they are happy with.

THAT is good service.

Ronan Forman

@Frank I wouldn't know, their library is too incomplete (at least in the UK) for me to consider it.

Frank

@RonanForman And that's actually one of the main issues with the MPAA and RIAA.

They're trying to kill this innovation, rather than embrace it.

Jason Berkan

@RonanForman Netflix doesn't stop you from pretending you are in the US.

murgatroid99

@RonanForman It doesn't have a lot of good movies, but at least in America it has a huge selection of good TV shows

Ronan Forman

@JasonBerkan But it's harder, so it's now easier for me to stream elsewhere less than legally.

AJ Henderson

16:37

the funny part about this whole discussion is I think we largely agree on probably around 90% of it

(which btw, I've been thoroughly enjoying the discussion, I hope you guys have been too)

Chippies

@JasonBerkan I know you can do it, but I've never looked into how. Is there an easy way of pretending I'm in the US?

@AJHenderson I always enjoy a good intelligent discussion :P

Frank

@AJHenderson I love to argue things. It's one of the best things to do over beer and wings.

user15026

@Chippies You can use various VPN/proxy things - I pay for unblock-us ($5 a month)

Jason Berkan

@Chippies (and @RonanForman) - Hola! - Chrome extension that gives you access to Netflix, Hulu, et al. as an American. Or a Canadian. Or an Austrian.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn do you need to pay with a US based credit card/paypal though?

user15026

16:39

@JasonBerkan This is also good!

user15026

@Chippies nope. I just pay with my Canadian credit card

Ronan Forman

@JasonBerkan I already use that for Hulu, but I thought it depended on the account rather than the streamer's "location".

AJ Henderson

@AshleyNunn though again, that's less convenient in a lot of ways

user15026

I found with Hola! it went down on me a few times/slowed down etc

Chippies

@AshleyNunn so, if I have Canadian netflix, the moment I switch to a US based VPN/Proxy, I'd be getting US shows on it?

AJ Henderson

16:40

there really shouldn't be barriers to try and prevent someone from legitimately accessing content

user15026

@AJHenderson I dunno, it works spiffy for me

AJ Henderson

that's just stupid

user15026

@Chippies Pretty much yeah

FAE

@RonanForman My main issue with services like Spotify is they give the artists a crap cut.

AJ Henderson

@AshleyNunn yeah, it's still hoop jumping though

Chippies

16:40

@AshleyNunn cool, I'll have to try that

Jason Berkan

@Chippies No. Netflix does absolutely no account checking. Everything is run through the IP address that is accessing the account. When I was in Hawaii, I automatically got American Netflix. Had to use Hola! for Canadian Netflix. :P

user15026

@Chippies It is very easy to set up.

Chippies

@JasonBerkan thanks, I'll try that :)

Ronan Forman

@FAE I don't use it for that reason, also I'm far to hipster for my stuff to be on there.

user15026

@AJHenderson True, but it is a small hoop and an easy one

user15026

16:41

I mean now I am paying what, $15 a month for 90% of the media I consume?

Lazers

0

Q: What does Snowballing mean?

I heard Snowballing in a lot of league of legends gameplay videos and I don't know what it means. For example I hear Renekton can snowball really hard.

league-of-legends terminology

1

Q: What game is this?

Google reverse image search times out. I found the image in this article and my friend recognized it. We can't figure out what the name of the game is or what it was about. My friend says you could pick up a few items in this room (the game started here). You could also go downstairs and talk t...

game-identification

Chippies

I don't really feel like paying for a VPN right now, so I'll have to do with the Hola!

AJ Henderson

@AshleyNunn fair enough, and I suppose pirating requires hoop jumping too

murgatroid99

@AJHenderson Technically it's not legitimate because it's covered by export laws

Not that I think it shouldn't be

Chippies

@murgatroid99 there shouldn't be "export" laws on the internet

user15026

16:42

@AJHenderson I'd say more so because there are more ways for that to go horribly wrong (she says, remembering the time she spent two hours fixing her sister's computer and editing the registry and stuff to clean it from the crap she had gotten from torrents)

AJ Henderson

@murgatroid99 it is by licensing, not export laws

Ronan Forman

@murgatroid99 It's the same reason our TV channels get shows 6-12 months later.

FAE

The Usenet service we use just gave us free VPN access per month, which is pretty awesome.

AJ Henderson

the content producers said, you can play it for this group, but not this group

user15026

I hate that licensing laws apply to the internet

AJ Henderson

16:42

that's not a limitation that I think they should really be able to make in a globalized economy

user15026

Like the fact that a lot of American stuff is locked to me because of the border just makes me mad, no matter how funny the Daily Show/ Colbert Report "haha nope sorry Canada" messages are

murgatroid99

@Chippies Right, I meant more generally rules related to stuff moving between countries

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn Ugh, we might end up started on region locking too.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn any tech-savvy person can jump through the pirating hoops with minimal/no effort, the problem is when computer illiterates do it

AJ Henderson

either they are willing to sell at a given price or they aren't

user15026

16:43

@Chippies Like my sister :P

Rapitor

are we still talking about this?

user15026

I banned her from downloading. If she wants things, I get them for her.

AJ Henderson

@Rapitor yes, but it's actually progressed a lot since the start

user15026

@Rapitor Yeeeeep.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn or my sister :P or most people siblings, lol

user15026

16:44

@Chippies Haha yep.

Rapitor

This isn't the Bridge I know... we could barely hold a topic for 5 minutes let alone an hour

murgatroid99

@Rapitor It's always depended on the topic

user15026

I think, though, at this point we have mostly exhausted the arguments. I think.

Chippies

I think we're just having a friendly aftermath conversation now

AJ Henderson

@Rapitor holding a topic is fine, just as long as it isn't the ACTUAL topic

we almost started talking about games, but then we moved back to movies to be safe

Frank

16:46

@Rapitor Depends on how hard people are arguing, I think.

Chippies

@JasonBerkan it can't seem to do HD with the proxy :(

oh nevermind, it managed to catch up after a while

Jason Berkan

@Chippies You are "stealing" someone else's Internet connection.

Chippies

@JasonBerkan "stealing"? Does this use p2p or something? :P

AJ Henderson

but yeah, my ideal world is where people pay what services are worth to them in excess of the actual cost of providing the service to them and people are allowed to use the content liberally (any device, any format, with any group of friends as long as it isn't mass public viewing) while considering the allowed uses in the valuation of what the service is worth and actually paying fair value for it. That includes having the option to pay nothing (and give back the asset) if it isn't worth it

@Chippies nah, really big wifi antennas and hacked passwords, otherwise it'd just be sharing

Jason Berkan

@Chippies Hola! bounces your request through an American Hola! user's Internet. And, when you have it on, Canadian requests are being sent through your Internet.

Some people have security issues with that. Other people just like watching Scrubs.

Chippies

16:54

@JasonBerkan does it use the Tor network that I've heard so much about?

AJ Henderson

@Chippies I'd hope not

the latency would be BAD

Jason Berkan

@Chippies No. It's all controlled by whatever company owns Hola!.

Lazers

0

Q: What exactly happens if I choose to erase a game's progress?

In Settings > Other, I have the option to "Delete [Subgame] Progress" for each subgame. I am considering doing this for Warrior's Way because I've hit max numbers and have all the hat tickets for having said high numbers. I'd like to know exactly what "progress" means before going through with it...

streetpass-mii-plaza

Chippies

@JasonBerkan okay then

AJ Henderson

TOR is good for anonymity but not so good for streaming

unless they've made some major advances

Chippies

16:55

@AJHenderson not ideal for anonymity either, because it's so popular and it's being spied on because of that

AJ Henderson

@Chippies popularity is what makes it secure

Chippies

plenty of people have got in trouble by using Tor

AJ Henderson

if it wasn't popular, then it wouldn't provide any benefit

Chippies

@AJHenderson yes and no, it's popular, but not popular enough to create high signal/noise ratio

AJ Henderson

the bigger issue is that it can still be seen that you use tor

just not what you do with it

FAE

16:56

Sony's Gamescom press conference is starting

Chippies

if everyone used tor, it would be safe, but right now it's not popular enough

AJ Henderson

@Chippies if you were the only user on tor, there would be no annonymity

Chippies

@AJHenderson yes, I know that

AJ Henderson

TOR works by disguising which packets belong to which users and playing a shell game

but it is weak to too many nodes being controlled by a colluding party

Chippies

I guess it's safe for the people that don't opt to act as outgoing nodes

AJ Henderson

16:57

it really should have included random delays in packet transmission

to prevent timing attacks

I know it didn't have that feature when I was in college back in 2005 and taking my Computer Systems class, but I don't know how it has changed since then particularly well

then there is also the problem of people who misues it and identify themselves by their outgoing node

such as signing in to services

or having cookies allowed

having an annonymous IP makes no difference if you scream your name from that IP at the top of your lungs

Sec.SE actually has a lot of great TOR resources

Frank

One more week until the SAO game!

Yay!

user15026

Man, I go camping sooooon. It's going to be awesome to get to relax, but I dunno, leaving y'all for a week....

Frank

@AshleyNunn Probably a good thing.

It's like herding a bag of cats.

user15026

@Frank This is true. :)

user15026

I am excited to relax and swim every day and read books and roast marshmallows

AJ Henderson

17:03

@Frank no, cats atleast follow a laser pointer

user15026

Oh, and the part where I don't work for an ENTIRE WEEK including on my birthday is SO appealing

Frank

@AJHenderson Yes. And when multiple cats follow it, they tumble all over each other and make a mess.

AJ Henderson

@Frank one man's mess is another man's hilarity

(and to think, I only originally came in here to ask if anyone wanted to try my PHPBB/TS3 extension)

Blem

@FAE or now it is

FAE

@Blem Apparently. I was just going by Playstation's tweet earlier.

The artifacting on the stream on high motion stuff is really bad, even at High quality. :(

Blem

17:09

@FAE it was on the front page of twitch but offline, so might have had some technical problems

Chippies

@FAE is source quality not available?

FAE

@Chippies I only see low/med/high/mobile :/

Chippies

@FAE just checked the link and yeah, there is no source quality :/

yesterday's xbox stream had source quality

FAE

@Chippies It had Source before the main part started. o_O

Rapitor

i think the quality is dependant on the broadcast. Xbox usually streams to twitch with source quality.

Sony does not that... apparently

GnomeSlice

17:14

k so my legs hurt fucken really bad

Rapitor

@GnomeSlice training?

GnomeSlice

But I mean I've been standing for like 6 hours

@Rapitor No, just working at winners

Blem

@FAE proply a choice due to the amount watching, it is now at 124k viewers

FAE

@Blem yeah that's what I figured too

Startring Charlie from charlieissocoollike?!

Batophobia

@Frank Sword Art Online game!?!?

Frank

17:21

@Batophobia Hollow Fragment.

Did you not know about it?

Batophobia

@Frank Did not, super excited now

Frank

@Batophobia I've only been going aasdjkfsadf;ajsdfkl about it for the last couple of months. :P

swordartonline.wikia.com/wiki/Sword_Art_Online:_Hollow_Fragment

Batophobia

@Frank Only for PS Vita??

Frank

For more info to get excited about it.

@Batophobia Yeah, sadly.

Batophobia

well, there's something I won't play then

user15026

17:22

I am kinda out of games I am excited about at the moment

Frank

There's some story spoilers, if you haven't watched the first season.

Batophobia

@AshleyNunn Smash Bros

@Frank I've watched all of it, so no worries

fantastic show

Frank

@Batophobia The Playstation TV is coming out in the fall sometime. It's essentially a TV out for Vita games.

Supposed to be $99, I think.

Wipqozn

TIL IE8 doesn't support CSS3 Media Queries. That's one less IE version for me to worry about.

Batophobia

crunchyroll is like $8 a month

user15026

17:23

@Batophobia \Oh yes, the game where I mash all the buttons :P

Ben Brocka

will this guy just announce day z for PS4 already

Wipqozn

Seriously, anyone who uses IE pre-11 should be charged as a criminal or something.

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn or just ignored

Batophobia

@Wipqozn But I like breaking the internet

Frank

@Wipqozn My horror job actually mandated IE6, due to the way the phone system worked.

Blem

17:24

@Wipqozn if it was just so simple

Batophobia

PS4 version of Windwaker

Jason Berkan

I've worked at places that are almost permanently stuck on old IE versions, due to mission critical legacy software that does not work on newer versions.

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn You know Layton v. Wright hits North America on the 29th, right?

Wipqozn

@Blem Yeah... yeah... I can dream...

Lazers

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Q: Method to learn all heroes in Dota 2?

I am searching for a method to learn all heroes in Dota 2. Of course I don't want to master any hero (yet), I just want to get to know every hero, so that I know what it is capable of, when I face any specific hero in any game later on. I know this can be evaluated a subjective question. But I ...

dota-2

user15026

17:35

@Powerlord Nooooo, I do now

Batophobia

Way to go bungie, announce DLC for an unreleased game and have the DLC come out just over a month after the game

Rapitor

@Batophobia the Destiny DLC was announced during the beta. there will be 3 IIRC

because Activison

Ben Brocka

I thought it was two, apparently large, expansion packs or something

Batophobia

@Rapitor did they announce dates?

Blem

FPS on console Sigh

Batophobia

17:39

I still have hope Destiny will come to PC

Ben Brocka

Bungie's been pretty openly down on PC

Batophobia

Kojima does not look like he's 51

Ben Brocka

MGS time

Him and Sakurai are eternally young

Wandang

Hi guys

Ben Brocka

IT'S THE BOX

Blem

17:44

lol

Wandang

i am having a hard time right now with gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/179961/… question

Ben Brocka

good the box is practical. It was suicide in MGS4

Wandang

before i go out and vote to close the question i wanted to consider your opinions

Ben Brocka

kojima is the best

Batophobia

Box Simulator

Rapitor

17:46

@Wandang I think it's a valid question, there are different ways to learn and that would attract multiple good answers.

Batophobia

DoTA2 has a very steep learning curve. New users are likely to be searching for how they can be not terrible at it

Wandang

@Rapitor ok but i do not see how that answers are objective

Batophobia

@Wandang subjective != bad

Ben Brocka

SharePlay - allows PS+ members to either take turns playing games remotely or play remotely local multiplayer games!

Tweeted by amboyes on August 12, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Wandang

@Batophobia but against the sites policy? i thought so

Ben Brocka

17:48

This would singlehandedly fix the Wii U for me

Batophobia

twitch just broke for me

Blem

I guess 170k is the cap

murgatroid99

Blog - Stack Exchange: Good Subjective, Bad Subjective

Robert Cartaino on September 29, 2010

Stack Exchange is about questions with objective, factual answers. We’ve been crystal clear about this for as long as I can remember, even back to the earliest, pre-beta days of Stack Overflow. It’s right there in the standard Stack Exchange FAQ:

What kind of questions should I not ask here?

Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered!

Thus, questions that are not answerable — discussions, debates, opinions — should be closed as subjective. It seems simple enough: Fact good; opinion and discussion bad. But why? …

Wandang

@murgatroid99 thank you, i will read it now

user15026

@murgatroid99 Ah, yes, I was looking for that.

user15026

17:50

I am more concerned about the broadness of the question.

Batophobia

PS stream is being dumb

Ben Brocka

PS TV in november, hopefully US date too

Batophobia

probably requires PS+

Ben Brocka

PS TV? How? The vita doesn't

though you're dumb to own a vita and not PS+

FAE

@BenBrocka Stream cut out for me during this stuff :(

Ben Brocka

17:53

@FAE seems pretty simple

driveclub

FAE

@BenBrocka Is there a time limit on it like the Far Cry share?

Batophobia

@FAE 2 hours

Ben Brocka

@Batophobia when did they say that?

Batophobia

@BenBrocka during that little clip

Ben Brocka

PlayStation TV launches in North America on October 14th http://bit.ly/1nMdxnp

Tweeted by shinobi602 on August 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM

I don't see anyone talking about a time limit on twitter

badp

17:57

Imternetlessness is the worst

Ben Brocka

No mention of a time limit on the PS blog

badp

I just had to pay €1 for the privilege to watch some YouTube videos!!

Ben Brocka

since you have to use PS+ to use shareplay I doubt there's a limit, trhe far cry thing is something different

badp

The humanity

Batophobia

@BenBrocka If I could rewind the stream I'd look for it

FAE

17:58

@BenBrocka sweet

Yuuki

Okay, so good news: one of the jobs I interviewed for a couple weeks ago (the university one) just called me again and asked for another interview.

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FAE

omg is there going to be more Tearaway

badp

Also I do not look forward to installing those 42 app updates

Ben Brocka

tearaway PS4?!

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