The Bridge

Wipqozn

15:00

@Powerlord It's a picture of @OrigamiRobot flexing.

5pike

@Powerlord Just the Joker telling Harley "If you have to explain a joke, there is no joke"

Wipqozn

oh hey, I've been here for 3 years.

> member for 3 years, 1 month

TIL I've only been here for 3 years.

It felt longer.

Powerlord

@5pike Oh yeah, I saw that in the Google image search while looking for the Dilbet cover.

Wipqozn

I feel like I've known you guys and gals forever!

Powerlord

So, I saw a new Gauntlet game is coming out with shudder randomized dungeons.

user15026

15:04

@Powerlord I don't like the whole randomized dungeon trend.

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn Same here.

Wipqozn

Awesome job problems: I'm not sure what video game to play on my break.

Powerlord

@Wipqozn Angry Birds

Wipqozn

@Powerlord No.

I've been working towards getting 100 stars in mario 64, but not sure if I feel like playing that.

user15026

@Wipqozn What are your options?

Powerlord

15:06

@AshleyNunn Anyway, one of the nice things about Gauntlet: Legends (and by extension, Dark Legacy) is that the levels are usually well designed.

Wipqozn

Kerbal Space Program might be fun, but I haven't played in a while, and I only have 30 minutes left (I've spent most of my break deciding what to play).

Powerlord

Randomized levels tend to be just the opposite of well designed.

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Mario 64, Kerbal Space Program, Pokemon Battle Trozai, and FTL.

Actually I need to update my games when I get home. Can't update thme via work, because of a firewall.

My PC games that is

user15026

@Wipqozn The only one I really know out of those (other than in name only) is Trozei so I pick that

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn you've never played Mario 64?

user15026

15:08

@Powerlord Yeaaaaah

user15026

@Wipqozn Oh, sorry, I meant "besides Mario because you said you weren't sure if you felt like it"

Powerlord

And yes, @badp, I am commenting on Binding of Isaac here.

badp

I wasn't even paying attention to chat

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Gotcha.

badp

I suppose this is a positive comment about BoI given that each actual level in the game is hand-crafted, just their arrangement is random.

SaintWacko

15:10

Morning, Bridge

@Wipqozn KSP

Always KSP

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn I don't like the whole randomized everything trend.

user15026

@Yuuki I just don't like randomness.

user15026

I like order and patterns

SaintWacko

Also, @AshleyNunn

►

Yuuki

It smacks of laziness. And overlooking how much impact a good well-designed level can have.

SaintWacko

15:11

@Yuuki What's impressive is when you have well designed random levels

DCSS does that well

Powerlord

@badp BoI is the perfect example of why randomized levels are bad. From chests/doors without keys, to bombable areas without bombs...

SaintWacko

Well-designed random levels are even better than well-designed fixed levels

Yuuki

@SaintWacko I have to disagree.

user15026

@SaintWacko flails holy shit this is good.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong

Yuuki

15:12

One of my problems with randomized levels is that it prevents community building.

SaintWacko

:P

@AshleyNunn This is the song that introduced me to Halestorm

Wipqozn

well I only have 17 minutes left, so I mine as well play mario.

tomorow, perhaps, I'll do something else.

user15026

@SaintWacko Oh, nice. :D

Ben Brocka

@Powerlord they're optional though--Binding of Isaac shows fairly decent procedural generation too. Random generation would produce unplayable levels

SaintWacko

And yes, it is awesome :D

Yuuki

15:13

You can't talk to another person about a game and say, "Oh, you remember that one level in [Game X]?"

Because that person didn't play the same level as you.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki No, you have to actually tell them about the level

badp

@Powerlord That's actually a strength of the game: you have to take risks and make tradeoffs and plan around those things

user15026

@SaintWacko is Device worth checking out, overall? (aka anything I should start with?)

Ben Brocka

@Yuuki So you talk about bosses and items. Also, BoI has specific rooms

Yuuki

@SaintWacko Telling is not the same as experiencing.

You can talk on and on about this monster and that one part, but they'll never understand as well as if they had played the same level.

Jason Berkan

15:14

I'm fairly certain @SaintWacko and I could have a long conversation about Crawl, despite the fact that the levels are generated.

Powerlord

@BenBrocka You realize that by imitating the UI of Zelda 1, it's just begging to be compared to it? Zelda 1 didn't have the best level design, but it still beats BoI.

Origami Robot

@Yuuki You can still say "I had a room like X" and the other person can say "Oh that sounds cool, I had a room like Y"

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn I really don't know. I just heard this one on the radio and looked it up online

Jason Berkan

"I ran into Sigmund on Level 1. AGAIN!"

Origami Robot

You don't have to have experienced the same thing to share the experience.

Ben Brocka

15:15

Eh, it takes gameplay inspiration from Zelda but doesn't mean it's the same sort of experience

Yuuki

@OrigamiRobot But then you're talking around someone rather than talking to someone.

Origami Robot

@Yuuki What? No you're not.

SaintWacko

@JasonBerkan @Yuuki First, this. A lot of that, though, is the way Crawl uses vaults. They're small designed areas that are placed in levels. Second, why the fuck are there two 'u's in your name?

Origami Robot

It means you actually have to listen to what the other person is saying and vice-versa.

SaintWacko

It's messing up my @yuk{tab}

Ben Brocka

15:17

I can talk to any astute Binding of Isaac fan about how I got Chocolate Milk and Brimstone and they'd know the pain I felt

SaintWacko

I really couldn't get into BoI

Origami Robot

@SaintWacko What are you typing any more than @Y{tab}?

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Because there might be more than one that starts with y

Yuuki

@SaintWacko Because (1) It means something entirely different and (2) I've stopped playing MH3U for now so I've dropped my hunter name.

SaintWacko

@JasonBerkan Fucking Sigmund

Origami Robot

15:18

Except there's not.

Ever.

user15026

@SaintWacko I think I am going to check them out :)

user15026

I like the sound anyhow :)

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot changing my name to Yen Yrocka

Jason Berkan

@SaintWacko Though if you defeat him, you know you have a character that will survive for quite some time.

SaintWacko

@JasonBerkan Heh, yeah

Yuuki

15:19

I just want to see a nice level design in a game rather looking at a trailer and see "RANDOMIZED LEVELS!" plastered everywhere.

SaintWacko

Damn, now I want to play Crawl

Origami Robot

Even if there are two, @Y{tab}{tab} is still less keys.

Yuuki

PROCEDURAL GENERATION!!

Lazers

0

Q: 3 devices, 2 accounts but i want 4devices , 2 accounts

In the beginning I played clash of clans on my IPhone (i have one acount). After a year my brother played the game on his IPad and IPhone(he has one account, to). Now we (me and my brother) play clash of clans on 3 devices(two accounts) Now i want to play the game on MY Ipad without create a new ...

clash-of-clans

user15026

My office just got invaded by OMG people that are OMG business and they are talking things and I just....aaaa I want to go back to doing my things WHY are they HERE

SaintWacko

15:19

@Yuuki I prefer randomized because it greatly increases replayability

Yuuki

NEVER PLAY THE SAME GAME TWICE!!!

Origami Robot

Or even @Yu{tab}

Yuuki

I'm tired of those overused trailer lines.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot But you have to pause and look at the names, which takes longer than finger memory typing @yuk

Origami Robot

@SaintWacko Until he adds another u

Which is right now.

SaintWacko

15:21

@Yuuki Well, there's a reason it's so heavily used. Never playing the same game twice is fucking awesome

My favorite games are all procedurally generated

Yuuki

@SaintWacko These days, I rarely play the same game once.

user15026

They are all SMARMY AND NETWORKY

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Well, right, if the game itself isn't much good, replayability doesn't much matter

Yuuki

@SaintWacko No, I just get drawn back into Dark Souls 2.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Let me know if you find any other cool ones by them

Yuuki

15:22

Or whatever other game I'm currently fanboying over.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki I need to get that

And yeah, I tend to cycle through games

Yuuki

@SaintWacko You wouldn't like it, there's no randomized level design. </joking>

Origami Robot

@SaintWacko Eh?

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn Ew, networks.

user15026

@SaintWacko I will :)

SaintWacko

15:23

@OrigamiRobot Missed

user15026

@Yuuki They were like oMG LETS NETWORK AND MEET PEOPLE

user15026

and I was like "uh I am just a customer service monkey"

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn Ew, meeting people.

Jason Berkan

@AshleyNunn Was there a free lunch, because sometimes a free lunch is good.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Yeah, but it can still be good for one playthrough. And it's hard enough that there are a lot of things to try/do

badp

15:24

what

user15026

@Yuuki Dunno if sarcastic, but legit it freaks me out

SaintWacko

At least, that's how DS1 was for me

Powerlord

@SaintWacko Temptation to block rising...

user15026

@JasonBerkan No they just invaded my office and said things in loud voices

SaintWacko

@Powerlord :(

Ben Brocka

15:24

@AshleyNunn business people are awful

badp

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn No, serious. Meeting people is AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PANIC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

badp

HOW IS THAT NOT A TITLE

SaintWacko

@badp What?

user15026

@BenBrocka They unnerve the crap out of me

badp

15:25

There was some kind of competition. I shut out the opposition completely. This was not an achievement!

user15026

@Yuuki YES THIS IS MY LIFE

badp

"Overcome rivals" my arse.

Ben Brocka

@badp that dude's hair

badp

@BenBrocka I see you noticed his hat!

Ben Brocka

Is his hat half a buffalo?

badp

15:26

Just an afro

Also the weapon is a clothesline he's been killing gods with.

I mean, it looks like a sugar cane, but either way...

Origami Robot

@AshleyNunn My strategy is to think about pancakes while talking to people.

user15026

@OrigamiRobot I was going to make tacos for dinner but now you are making me consider pancakes

Ben Brocka

Pancake tacos

user15026

@BenBrocka I am not sure that would work super good, but I am intrigued

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn I wonder if you could cook pancakes so they hardened into a taco shell shape

And then fill it with eggs and sausage and bacon and stuff

Lazers

15:38

0

Q: How do i apply mods to minecraft?

I want to use mods in mincecraft but i dont know where to put the file or what to do with it once i have downloaded the mods... please help!

minecraft mods

Origami Robot

Pancakes should never be hard.

badp

"Power surges from this loincloth."

user15026

@SaintWacko I'd more likely use like....milkless pancakes (aka not super fluffy ones) and treat it like a soft taco

MBraedley

Ah, there's the new issue of Ms. Marvel I was looking for a few days ago. Also, as per @AshleyNunn's starred post, todays free comic is MLP. I won't be picking that up, but I know some of you might want it.

Chippies

Dynasty Warriors on PC don't have online co-op. Disappointing, I was half-considering getting it...

Powerlord

15:46

sigh On one side, I have a coworker slurping soup at their desk, on the other I have a coworker talking about a car shop about a funny sound her car is making (complete with her imitating the sound of the car)

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot waffles are made of similar stuff as pancakes

MBraedley

@Chippies Waffles shouldn't be hard either

Chippies

@MBraedley depends on what kind of waffles we're talking about

the typical american puffy ones shouldn't, I guess (I've never had any)

user15026

@Powerlord eeeergh

MBraedley

@Chippies Neither should Belgian. Any other type is categorically wrong. Unless it's a waffle cone.

SaintWacko

15:49

@Powerlord I am surrounded by people who don't turn off the sound on their phones and computers. And one who doesn't seem to trust his PC phone, so he pretty much yells into the headset whenever he's using it

Chippies

@MBraedley waffle cones that aren't cones!

MBraedley

@Chippies ...Shouldn't exist

Chippies

Idk if there's a proper term for those waffles, but they're the best kind

Powerlord

And then I have Visual Studio insisting this C++ file has errors in the editor despite it compiling fine.

Chippies

this kind of stuff is AMAZING

and yes, they totally should and do exist

SaintWacko

15:50

@Chippies That's a stroopwafel

And yes, they are incredible

Chippies

there are way too many waffle kinds

user15026

@Chippies Stroopwafel! :D :D :D :D :D

Chippies

@MBraedley the kind I'm talking about seems to possibly fall under the italian waffle cookie category

Origami Robot

@Chippies That's called a cookie.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot a cookie made of... WAFFLES

well, waffle batter

MBraedley

15:52

(sigh) why didn't the comixology app register an intent? Email links won't open to the app, so I can't quickly buy from my phone.

Chippies

the more I type "waffle", the more it seems like it's not a real word

Origami Robot

I would enjoy waffles more if pancakes didn't exist.

MBraedley

@OrigamiRobot waffles > pancakes

They hold maple syrup more easily

StrixVaria

@MBraedley We agree on something!

Origami Robot

@MBraedley A bucket holds water better than a plate, but it's irrelevant at the bottom of the ocean.

Fluttershy

15:55

But pancakes can absorb the syrup better than waffles.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot deep

@Fluttershy I prefer pools of syrup and a crispy waffle over a soggy pancake.

Origami Robot

When I eat pancakes, it's more like pancake soup.

MBraedley

@Fluttershy That's debatable.

user15026

@Chippies Not really a traditional waffle batter, and they need a specific stroopwafel iron

Chippies

@AshleyNunn still waffles tho. I am actually considering making such in a pan now

screw the iron

Fluttershy

15:58

Chippies

although I guess the syrupy stuff won't stay in as well without the crossy-things... sigh

Fluttershy

I just signed up for this yesterday, and this is today's free comic. It's like they knew...

MBraedley

14 mins ago, by MBraedley

Ah, there's the new issue of Ms. Marvel I was looking for a few days ago. Also, as per @AshleyNunn's starred post, todays free comic is MLP. I won't be picking that up, but I know some of you might want it.

user15026

@Chippies Trust me, it is easier to get the iron.

Fluttershy

@MBraedley Oh, well then. <_<

user15026

15:59

I mean you basically make a waffle, slice it in half, fill with magical syrup, and that's it

user15026

so you can technically use something else

user15026

but you want to make sure you get teh crisp cookie part

badp

yesssssssssssssssssssss

MBraedley

I can't subscribe to a series with the comixology android app?

user15026

(otherwise it will just fall apart when you eat it with your tea)

Chippies

16:00

@AshleyNunn don't need an iron for that, practice is what you need to get that right :P

user15026

@Chippies well, yes and no

Chippies

not sure what you mean by slice it in half, isn't it just 2 waffles on top of each other?

with filling in middle?

user15026

(sorry, they are just a very specific national dish that I am, because of family, very attached to, so I know you are going to try to do it differently but my brain is just like AAAAAAAAAAAA then it wont be a stroopwafel)

user15026

@Chippies Nope.

user15026

Not at all.

Lazers

16:01

1

Q: In "The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing" how many auras/tricks can you learn?

There is room for 8 auras and 8 tricks, but i want to ask, if i fill all the slots and then want to learn a new one, can i override one that is already learned?

adventures-of-van-helsing

Chippies

I've had store-bought ones, so I know what they're supposed to be like, so I'd have a point of reference

Origami Robot

Gross, I got tricked into logging in at SFF.

Chippies

I don't think I have ingredients for it anyway and I just had breakfast, so I'm not gonna bother... so lazy

user15026

@Chippies "The stiff dough for the waffles is made from flour, butter, brown sugar, yeast, milk, and eggs. Medium sized balls of dough are put into a heated waffle iron and pressed into the required uniformly thin, round shape. After the waffle has been baked, and while it's still warm, it is split into thin layered halves. The warm filling, made from syrup, brown sugar, butter, and cinnamon, is spread between the waffle halves, gluing them together.[1]"

user15026

(The "split while warm" is the spot that has always freaked me out in terms of difficulty)

Chippies

16:04

@AshleyNunn but it's so THIN, how do you split it?

I'd probably make some epic ghetto stroopwafels

user15026

@Chippies Very carefully!

user15026

(I generally stick with buying them)

Chippies

I'm good at making food my own way, lol

user15026

lol fair enough - I like to futz with recipes, this one just intimidates me

user15026

(although, it makes me want to make speculoos cookies because they are a Dutch treat I can make no problem)

Yuuki

16:11

I think some congratulations are in order.

I just burned ramen.

user15026

@Yuuki I burned KD once.

user15026

and soup.

Yuuki

I'd like to thank the Academy, changing my name & avatar, and Dark Souls 2.

Without you guys, this would have never been possible.

Chippies

I still don't get it

Yuuki

@Chippies Refresh.

3ventic

16:18

Chippies

@Yuuki hm, interesting, I was sure I had refreshed at least a few times since you started talking about having it changed

but yeah, refresh did update it

Yuuki

Okay, ramen attempt #2: Do not step away once you add the noodles.

@Chippies Was that yesterday or this morning?

Because I made the change last night.

Chippies

@Yuuki last night

although I went to sleep early'ish, and I'm on far eastern side of american continent, so you probably hadn't done it then

you were talking about it tho, lol

Private Pansy

@MBraedley I need a daily reminder for me to do this for the next two weeks. I've already missed one free comic because of my forgetfulness

Also, an entire volume? Awesome!

MBraedley

@PrivatePansy You can sign up for daily reminders

Chippies

16:27

Watch Dogs on PC beset by uPlay troubles

Private Pansy

It's 6 issues rolled into one. The quality varies, because each individual issue is drawn and written by a different artist/writer

Chippies

this once again just shows how the paying customer always gets screwed

user15026

That moment when your supervisor uses that "we need to talk" voice that fills you with dread....and then they offer you extra hours.

Private Pansy

@MBraedley (That link leaks your email)

MBraedley

@PrivatePansy What series?

Private Pansy

16:29

Drop the last parameter on that link to get rid of that e.comixology.com/pub/sf/…

@MBraedley Today's free comic. It's a volume, not just a single issue

MBraedley

Damn you two minute limit!

user15026

@MBraedley I can edit it for you

MBraedley

@AshleyNunn Please do

Frank

@AshleyNunn So...more work?

user15026

@MBraedley Where do I edit it from?

MBraedley

16:31

@AshleyNunn Use @PrivatePansy's link

Private Pansy

Best to delete the entire thing and repost it, since history would still contain the old link

user15026

@Frank Yep! (Because we need an extra person on MMA nights to grade the whole time)

Frank

Also, apparently we're looking for a junior dev (read: college grad).

user15026

@MBraedley Fixed and purged.

MBraedley

@AshleyNunn ty

user15026

16:32

@Frank Got a link to the posting?

Frank

@AshleyNunn It's all internal for the moment, I believe.

user15026

@Frank Alright. If that changes, let me know?

Sterno

So many Hitlers

user15026

My work is currently hiring for another me (another grader/CustServ person), if anyone is interested

user15026

(I doubt y'all are but this news just makes me happy, because it likely means less OMG late nights when we roll out support til 2 am)

Sterno

16:33

@AshleyNunn cc @GnomeSlice

user15026

@Sterno Oooh, good idea.

MBraedley

I don't mind people here knowing my email address (most either already have it or can get it easily), it's the wider internet that can get it that bothers me.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn I'm sure you have to be at least within the province to work, right?

user15026

@Chippies I would think so, but I am not 100% sure. I can always check with my supervisor (who is also the HR department)

Chippies

well, doesn't even matter, I don't have a work visa right now anyway. You'd probably need to be there physically to sign contract regardless, I would assume

user15026

16:36

@Chippies Ah, okay. I can totally ask, though, if you like.

Frank

@AshleyNunn Sure, I can do that.

Chippies

maybe for future reference, sure :) Do you have to talk on phone tho? lol

Frank

Fair warning, it's a ton of scut work.

user15026

@Chippies lol, nope, we just use email/a support ticket system/google chat

user15026

@Frank That's fine. I just know a couple people who might be interested.

Chippies

16:38

@Frank cool, I don't mind typing, but I hate talking with strangers, so I try to avoid things that involve that

Canadian government is so slow at processing immigration applications, it's been 10 months and no news so far

user15026

@Chippies :(

Chippies

well, tbh I don't mind, I'm on really long holidays :P But I know it will end one day and then I'll have to find something I don't hate and that pays me

user15026

@Chippies Yeah, eventually you will have to become a proper member of society again ;)

Chippies

@AshleyNunn but but but... I hate being a proper member of society :(

user15026

@Chippies I dunno, the money is nice, keeps me in all my improper habits ;)

GnomeSlice

16:42

@fredley These are great!

Chippies

@AshleyNunn I want a job where I can work whenever I want and how long I want an get paid accordingly, I don't want to have a work schedule :(

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn This is relevant to my interests.

user15026

@GnomeSlice Shiny. I can find the info and toss it to you on Skype or something, would that work?

GnomeSlice

Sure!

user15026

Excellent.

user15026

16:44

(Note, it potentially means working as late as 2 am)

Frank

@Chippies There will be lots of interaction with other people here.

If my last six weeks are any indication, anyways.

Chippies

@Frank is that within the team though or external people?

also I just noticed that reply that you replied to was meant for Ashley, I guess the chat scrolled down

junior dev is relevant to me as well though

even though you're in US and I'm not :P

user15026

@Chippies No, @Frank is a Canadian like us :)

Frank

@Chippies Define "team". Within the company? Yeah. Probably not a lot of tap dancing required. Within only IT? Not a chance.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn oh, so he is! Coolio :)

@Frank well, within company isn't too bad, I guess you'd get to know people over time and they wouldn't be complete strangers eventually

Frank

16:50

@Chippies Do note, though, that I've only been here a month and a half, and I've been handed several hot potato issues that do require client interaction.

But chances are good I'd be doing my best to take those on, as I don't think a junior dev should be doing much talking with people outside the company.

Chippies

@Frank but you're in a much higher position, aren't you?

Frank

@Chippies Technically, we're looking for the position I was nominally hired for. :P

Chippies

junior dev probably would mostly do errands and learn stuff under supervision

or at least that's what I imagine it would be like, lol

Frank

We're shaking up the roles here a little bit; rather than just replacing people who are doing specializations in specific projects, we're going to generic it a little.

Essentially, I need a junior dev to shove into the line of fire so I can focus on higher level areas.

Chippies

:O

Lazers

16:54

0

Q: Cannot Play In Server

When i join to server,there is a word that say "failed to login:invalid session (Try restarting your game).what is that sopuse to mean? Can anyone help me?

minecraft-server

Frank

Because I've sorta taken over two peoples' jobs here. And all my time currently is spent putting out fires.

badp

That's fun right? :P

Krazer

@badp Only if you get paid for both

Frank

I don't mind it until I get yelled at for not doing things fast enough.

@Krazer To be fair, I'm getting paid WELL above the rate the person I replaced was.

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