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Panic Bomb

16:01

the lens flare is a nice touch

Ben Brocka

jj abrams directs: Cats

Blem

@PanicBomb what! are you saying that the lens flare is not a natural part of that clip?

Panic Bomb

And, shockingly, neither is the explosion

Ben Brocka

The explosion is real, but the cat is actually a mo-capped dog

GnomeSlice

my internet is fuct right now

like really bad, worse than normal

Ben Brocka

16:10

Are PC and mobile unfriendly to indies? http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-08-are-pc-and-mobile-unfriendly-to-indies Rogue Legacy devs on why money dominates mobile, and if PC is headed that way

Tweeted by GIBiz on May 8, 2014 at 3:25 PM

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Interesting read

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka If if if

Is it?

Ben Brocka

Internet status:
Bad
Don't have internet
Gnomeslice

2

@RedRiderX Have you been watching Steam lately?

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka I don't really play PC games much anymore

Lazers

0

Q: Do spells stack when placed on top of each other?

If I were to drop two spells (rage or heals) on top of each other, do they stack? If so, what is the % increase for rage / what is the total healed for heal spells? (just x2?)

clash-of-clans

Ben Brocka

Like how they default to the "best sellers" page rather than New Releases now and basically bury greenlight?

RedRiderX

16:11

And I rarely bought stuff on Steam to begin with

Ben Brocka

It's looking dangerously like an app store lately

Panic Bomb

@BenBrocka to be fair, greenlight is sort of a mountain of trash nowadays

GnomeSlice

►

Panic Bomb

The whole Early Access thing seems to have given terrible developers across the world the idea that they can work on a game for three days and then put it up on greenlight and start raking in the easy money

Coronus

@BenBrocka What else is there besides console? I don't see console being very indie-friendly.

RedRiderX

16:13

Games all too often suffocating for attention on what was once purported to be a severely curated platform is an interesting shift in direction.

Ben Brocka

@Coronus PS has been pretty welcoming lately. Towerfall sold better on PS4 than Steam (granted it's local-co op heavy). And it's much easier to stand out on console, at least for now, even with the more open policy

GnomeSlice

@Coronus Sony is really working on that with their PS stuff.

Panic Bomb

@Coronus Microsoft's XBLIG program was actually extremely progressive in terms of accessibility to indie developers; the main problem was that they had no visibility, and like Greenlight it was similarly choked with garbage

it's a shame that that program is basically dead now

Ben Brocka

Yeah XBLIG had basically the same problem app stores have and Steam is trending towards

Panic Bomb

Being able to pay $99 to have a game that you built with free dev tools be available to basically everyone in the world with an Xbox 360 was pretty amazing in concept

RedRiderX

16:14

Okay let me actually look at the steam front page...

GnomeSlice

@PanicBomb XBLIG was worse than greenlight, in my opinion. It was really hard to find worthwhile games in the pile.

Ben Brocka

And Steam kinda does similar to XBLA in a different way, burry the indie stuff in the back and keep the front page full of already successful games

GnomeSlice

@PanicBomb polygon.com/2014/1/24/5338478/…

Panic Bomb

@GnomeSlice I don't disagree, I'm just talking about the accessibility of it

Coronus

@BenBrocka Ah, thanks. I had no idea.

Panic Bomb

16:15

But phones and stuff have sort of taken up that role now, because they're just as accessible. But they're even harder to get noticed on.

Ben Brocka

Nintendo is also more open than they were last gen by a country mile, but PS is probably the best example

GnomeSlice

Quadsmash was easily my favourite XBLIG game.

Ben Brocka

Xbox is. Um. Youtried.jpg

Sterno

@BenBrocka Isn't that article basically "There's a lot of people in this space, so it's hard to compete"?

GnomeSlice

And now the studio is gone. =[

RedRiderX

16:16

Hmm only 6 slideshow games are actual releases

The rest are pre-orders, early access, and preloads

Ben Brocka

Sort of, but it's a big problem that hadn't currently been THAT much of an issue on Steam previously

GnomeSlice

I kind of wish the android consoles had taken off more, but the thing is that a console just for indie games is never going to get off the ground because most people who play indie games don't play a lot of them.

Ben Brocka

Discovery is definitely going to be issue #1 for mobile and soon Steam

GnomeSlice

They play one or two alongside their CoD and shit

Panic Bomb

@GnomeSlice Or, there's no reason not to just use a PC for that

Ben Brocka

16:17

I can't imagine Ouya was much better than XBLIG in terms of ease of finding stuff. 600+ games and only a few stand outs that I'm aware of like Towerfall ittle dew amazing frog

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka Yeah, it may have been too open.

GameStick is doing more curation it looks like.

But nobody is developing for it.

Because OMG OUYA

Ben Brocka

@PanicBomb they still need to work on making PC a bit more TV friendly. It's just a few too many steps as-is. Big Picture is a big improvement though

Sterno

@GnomeSlice That's because as much as we love to rip AAA titles and the companies that make them, many of them are actually quite good

RedRiderX

Now for the New Releases tab...

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Yeah, exactly. Most gamers play a lot of AAA titles, and occasionally pick up a Dustforce or a Skydrift or something like that.

But don't play like every indie game ever.

Panic Bomb

16:19

@GnomeSlice There's only so many Minecraft clones one can take, after all

GnomeSlice

Heh.

RedRiderX

Wait how is that taking up two spots?

Ben Brocka

That's why discovery is the problem. It's fine if there's a sea of games you're not interested in, but you need some way of finding out that oh hey, there's a new procedural metroidvania (your favorite genre!) and it seems to be not terrible!

badp

6pm, still nothing

@BenBrocka Honestly Steam kinda is the service of the big ones with the best search options

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka Well tags help with that right?

GnomeSlice

16:20

@BenBrocka Steam tags were supposed to help with that, but obscure games always just end up with indie action and nothing else

RedRiderX

A little

Ben Brocka

@RedRiderX I hope. They don't seem very visible

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka Well, it does have the "For you" section now

GnomeSlice

because it needs a certain amount of the same tag added by many people before it shows up.

Yuki

@Sterno What determines AAA status?

badp

16:21

Other services don't have tags, search by price, ordering options, specials only, filter by platform, etc. etc. etc.

GnomeSlice

Tim Stone

(not that I've used that ever yet, but)

Sterno

@Yuki Public perception

Ben Brocka

And yeah, relevant tags are a bit too fleeting. uber-common stuff like "indie" shouldn't show in top-five imo

@Yuki budget, name recognition

badp

I mean, I can't fault Steam for not trying

Ben Brocka

16:21

and usually retail presence

Panic Bomb

@GnomeSlice metroidvania bullet hell?

Yuki

So there's AAA and indie. Nothing in between like A or AA or something?

GnomeSlice

@PanicBomb Yeah, check it out: store.steampowered.com/app/295730

It's a pretty fun game.

Ben Brocka

Some people can't be arsed to look at shudder DOWNLOADABLE games

badp

especially since it seems they're trying to turn Steam into some kind of DIY platform for just about anybody who has a game to sell (didn't they want to phase out Greenlight?)

GnomeSlice

16:22

It's metroidvania in that you have to kill bosses to get new abilities that let you access new areas

RedRiderX

Wait wait what

badp

@RedRiderX Your childhood hero!

Coronus

Awwww, Putt-Putt!

Panic Bomb

@GnomeSlice oh, okay, it's top-down. Metroidvania always makes me think sidescrolling

Ben Brocka

@RedRiderX Oh yes that was another problem--as cool as Freddie Fish is, those guys put like 200 games onto steam at once and flooded the What's New section for days

RedRiderX

16:22

> Putt-Putt Goes to the Moon (1993)

GnomeSlice

@PanicBomb Yeah, maybe it's not a good tag.

@RedRiderX DUDE

THAT GAME

badp

@RedRiderX YOUR CHILDHOOD IS BACK

GnomeSlice

The thing with the hotel where you try to find the guy

badp

@RedRiderX IT WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER AND EVER

GnomeSlice

and you talk to the bull guys in the rooms

RedRiderX

16:23

19-93

GnomeSlice

and you ask where he was

"I'm sorry, he just left" (buff voice)

My family still says that

Coronus

@RedRiderX Maybe it wasn't on Steam before.

fredley

Hands up if you were born after 1993

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka @PanicBomb zone.gamestick.tv/home

badp

Hands up if you were born after 2001!

GnomeSlice

16:24

What's the image redrider posted?

Still loading for me.

Panic Bomb

I am extremely wait-and-see about every Android-based gaming device

RedRiderX

Da heck!?

@badp ...

badp

@RedRiderX What? I totally don't have a banhammer in my hand

Ben Brocka

I doubt gamestick's going anywhere. Amazon Fire TV might get some mobile ports and that's about all I expect to exist for "microconsoles"

RedRiderX

3 mins ago, by RedRiderX

How do they even justify this then?

badp

16:26

@RedRiderX Released on Steam

Yuki

@GnomeSlice So I was looking at other armors mostly because Elite Knight is kinda mid-tier, but nothing has the same classiness.

RedRiderX

@badp Oh my

Yuki

Elite Knight FTW.

GnomeSlice

@Yuki In Dark Souls?

Yuki

@GnomeSlice DS2.

GnomeSlice

16:26

Oh.

Yeah, well, Elite Knight sexiest Knight.

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka They are supposed to have an internal dev studio

But yeah, I don't expect much

Panic Bomb

@RedRiderX Sev Zero is...not great

Ben Brocka

amazon or gamestick? Amazon bought the guys who did Killer Instinct for 'bone

Panic Bomb

It's a medicore phone game that you can play on your TV, awright

GnomeSlice

Gamestick doesn't have an internal dev studio.

That I'm aware of.

@BenBrocka Bone? Like the comics?

I heard there were games about those but I thought that was telltale games.

RedRiderX

16:27

@GnomeSlice They probably have some secret ones.

Ben Brocka

xbone

GnomeSlice

??

Oh

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka Heh

GnomeSlice

:/

RedRiderX

DEM ZBONES

Ben Brocka

16:28

zbone is obviously the successor to the xbone

RedRiderX

THEYER EVEN CRAZIER THEN THOSE YBONES

Panic Bomb

zbone sounds like the name of an xbone emulator

badp

The sequel's obviously going to be called the XBox One 360

Ben Brocka

It does

GnomeSlice

what the FUCK is with my internet

this is fuct

Ben Brocka

16:29

They'll call it the Xbox Three just to screw with us

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka Not with the PS5 they won't

badp

@BenBrocka that's still better than "The New XBox"

Ben Brocka

Or possibly the Xbox Three Sixty

GnomeSlice

►

I can't decide if I want this or not

RedRiderX

They might call it the Xbox Tri

GnomeSlice

16:30

The movement looks a little rigid

Ben Brocka

@badp that was awkward for everyone involved

RedRiderX

That would be funny

GnomeSlice

everything else looks sweet though

Ben Brocka

@RedRiderX Xrd Box

GnomeSlice

The new ipad

RedRiderX

16:30

@BenBrocka Absurd Box

Ben Brocka

Xrth actually

Panic Bomb

Xbox (5th gen)

badp

Xst Box

RedRiderX

Xth Box

Ben Brocka

Xbox Air

badp

16:31

XBox Pro

XBro

RedRiderX

XBox 9

To go with Win 9

LessPop_MoreFizz

Attention Vibram Five Fingers Owners; you have been declared to be suckers by a court of law. You are now entitled to receive nearly $100 in compensation from Vibram.

GnomeSlice

Xbox Dorito

Ben Brocka

Xbox Vista

badp

it's concluded - whatever the actual name of the next XBox is, we're going to call it the XBro

GnomeSlice

16:31

Mine sucked

=[

RedRiderX

XBox P?

XPox?

GnomeSlice

stap

Ben Brocka

I can only assume Vibram Five Fingers is some sort of sex device so I won't click that link

badp

XPBox

Panic Bomb

It's those weird toe shoes

RedRiderX

16:32

I like XPox

Panic Bomb

And I'm not particularly surprised to hear that that they made up their health claims

Ben Brocka

@RedRiderX sounds like a disease

badp

XBox Master's Evolution

RedRiderX

Rolls off the tongue.

@BenBrocka Exactly

Ben Brocka

A dorito a day keeps the Xpox away

2

GnomeSlice

16:33

huehuehue

badp

@BenBrocka Do they sell doritos packaged separately now?

spugsley

@TimStone TELL ME TELL ME

Tim Stone

OMG YOU WAITED SO LONG I FORGOT WE WERE WAITING FOR YOU

spugsley

@Fluttershy TELLLLLLLLLLLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I was working

I WORKED TODAY

GnomeSlice

does anybody know how the fucking new minecraft launcher works

Hit play

starts downloading

eventually finishes

hit play again

starts downloading

the same shit

I need to get this installed before my guest wakes up

So I can let her play it

does anybody know

@fredley

please

RedRiderX

16:35

@GnomeSlice Yeah I hear it requires an internet connection now.

GnomeSlice

I'm on the internet.

obviously, I'm talking to you

RedRiderX

This has been disputed in the past.

GnomeSlice

I see a 'read timed out' error in the log

'couldn't download' something

RedRiderX

1 min ago, by RedRiderX

@GnomeSlice Yeah I hear it requires an internet connection now.

Every time

Tim Stone

Wait, @GnomeSlice has some anonymous female guest who isn't yet awake at almost 1:00 in the afternoon?

scribbles notes

Panic Bomb

16:40

prisoner, guest, you know

badp

@RedRiderX I don't know how you've confuzzled Google so badly

but you have my congratulations

also, the one 20 minutes ago was the last of my whinings about my stuff not having arrived

YOU ARE FREE FROM MY WHINING AND MY SULKING

RedRiderX

@badp Well this is nothing compared to the Beethoven thing.

Tim Stone

@badp He's the ultimate winner of the internet privacy race, Google clearly has no clue about his interests.

@badp Does that mean...THINGS HAVE ARRIVED?

fredley

@RedRiderX evry tim

badp

@TimStone yes

Ben Brocka

16:41

leik if u crei evry tim

badp

it has happened

Tomorrow morning there will be tears and despair

LIVE

HERE

Tim Stone

@badp You are victorious! Your princess was actually in this castle!

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka leik dis if u crei evry tim

fredley

@BenBrocka cri evry @tim

badp

@TimStone Now, now. I have found the right castle

RedRiderX

16:43

Ugh Google music can't pull album art from .m4a files

I don't know how to pull the art out of the files

How do I do dis?

Panic Bomb

I usually just go to google if it can't load the artwork for something

Ben Brocka

I'm more surprised when my music HAS artwrok, even with iTunes match

it's somehow even missing Mutter's album art from Rammstein and I'm sure that's in the store

badp

VG bundles MP3 usually do have covers

RedRiderX

But my music does

Ben Brocka

Not for the hundreds of games with no official soundtrack unfortunately

badp

16:49

Also my decision to start watching a LP of Phoenix Wright was not a good one

The third case was interesting, and three hours long

RedRiderX

That

I want that

Ben Brocka

@badp why would you even LP that

RedRiderX

How do I get that

badp

@BenBrocka there is no commentary at all; just the original video and sound

Ben Brocka

That's hardly an LP

Panic Bomb

16:50

For a VN that seems sort of borderline piracy hahaha

badp

basically it's a movie. Without voice acting.

@PanicBomb Well it's spoiling me of finding the solutions myself!

but yeah, it pretty much is :)

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka I'm actually doing pretty good so far

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka I like how Spotify is so indecisive about what artwork to show. It seems to change on a semi-daily basis for some songs.

Ben Brocka

I have over a dozen FF albums with no art. I've gotten used to it and just search

Panic Bomb

I think I have art for everything that's a "real album" in my library now

RedRiderX

16:54

It still bugs me too much if I have missing art

Panic Bomb

Hm, ESO for console was delayed until the end of the year

RedRiderX

Sometimes I make it myself

Panic Bomb

There goes the tiny bit of my remaining interest in that game

Ben Brocka

On the plus side it'll probably be F2P by the time it's on console!

Panic Bomb

That's not necessarily a good thing! haha

Ben Brocka

16:56

how does Xbox's awful policy mesh with an MMO anyway? I guess the console versions aren't cross play with PC?

Panic Bomb

I have gotten weary of F2P. The only game I can really tolerate it in anymore is Dota 2 because that's 100% cosmetic stuff

@BenBrocka No idea, I haven't really been following it closely

Ben Brocka

MMOs always seemed to be one of extremely few places F2P mostly didn't detract from the experience

Panic Bomb

@BenBrocka It started to bug me in GW2

the extra bank slots and stuff started to feel mandatory after a point

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