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GnomeSlice

21:02

@BenBrocka store.steampowered.com/app/246070

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0&room=35

Yuki

@Fluttershy "I wonder what happens if I set my jump height to a negative number?"

GnomeSlice

Dec 5 '11 at 21:47, by GnomeSlice

ಠ_ಠ

Yuki

"Hmm... can I set my movement speed to fasts/second?"

3ventic

@Yuki Jump and duck buttons swap places of course

GnomeSlice

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Ben Brocka

21:09

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Q: ಠ_ಠ button for chat

I think this would be really useful. There's a Chrome plugin that provides some great functionality, but sometimes you just need to break out a disapproving look immediately in another browser, and I think SE chat needs to support this. Can we have a ಠ_ಠ button please?

3ventic

I remember when a friend told me to put com_maxfps 2 to console because it would make me a better player lol

Yuki

@GnomeSlice In the comments: people ragging on everyone else's computer specs.

GnomeSlice

@Yuki yep

Yuki

@3ventic "The human eye can't see above 30 fps."

By the way, I don't remember where that came from. How did it become a thing?

badp

@GnomeSlice this is so familiar

Ben Brocka

21:11

@Yuki idiots

3ventic

@Yuki Urban legend or something

GnomeSlice

@badp I linked it once many moons ago

3ventic

Someone probably did a "scientific test" between 30 fps and 60 fps with the monitor locked to 30

badp

no, I mean, this is only slightly worse than my GPU :P

Ben Brocka

"most film is 24 flps" > "24 FPS is the film industry standard" > "24 FPS is more cinematic" > "You probably can't even see above 30 FPS"

Yuki

21:13

@BenBrocka Yeah. That's annoying because I've been conditioned to see movies at 24 FPS. Anything higher feels too real.

GnomeSlice

Nov 13 '13 at 15:05, by GnomeSlice

Lazers

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Q: Why won't my minecart spawner spawn minecarts?

I'm attempting to make a Spawner which will generate Minecarts. The command I'm using is: /setblock ~ ~ ~ mob_spawner 0 replace {EntityId:"MinecartRideable"} That certainly creates a Spawner with a Minecart inside, but it never spawns one. On the other hand, if I make a Cow Spawner: /setblock...

minecraft

GnomeSlice

huehuehue

Ben Brocka

@Yuki I'm not very attuned to it but I watch extremely few movies lately

Yuki

@GnomeSlice I remember that show. Which is terrible because I think started airing in my neighborhood right about when I entered high school.

Ben Brocka

21:14

I don't consider 30 FPS "unplayable" like some do, but 60FPS is certainly better in action-based stuff

badp

@GnomeSlice 4/10 had to wait for the train to come

Yuki

@BenBrocka I seem to have this mental distinction between games and movies. 30 FPS feels about average, if not a bit slow, on games but 24+ FPS in movies requires some time to adjust.

GnomeSlice

I find movies with high framerates hard to watch.

They feel like soap operas

Ben Brocka

the lack of direct control probably makes it feel different to your brain, enough so that it gets "used to" different speeds

badp

btw I can tell you by experience that it's totally possible to get used to 15 fps

the worst thing is, when you walk away from the game your mind might still be "running" at 15 fps/half speed

takes a while to readjust

Ben Brocka

21:17

15fps is a lot lower than half speed

badp

well games that are built for 30fps tend to slow down to, well, half if you play them at half framerate

Ben Brocka

wait you actually play them with slowdown?

badp

@BenBrocka dude, I have been playing videogames.

I beat Prey twice and it must've run at about 80% speed on average

Ben Brocka

Very few video games actually slowdown anymore they just drop frames. You mean actual SNES style slowdown?

badp

@BenBrocka yes. Many games actually do that

It doesn't even have to be 3D

fredley

21:20

@badp

Ben Brocka

yeah 2D games will probably actually slow down

badp

example

Ben Brocka

But lots of 3D engines don't tie gameplay to framerate anymore

badp

@fredley I'm not sure I see the point. A badge list would be much better.

fredley

@badp But popups!

Ben Brocka

21:21

@badp are those supposed to be seconds?

badp

@BenBrocka Games that don't become unplayable fast

@BenBrocka Yes. I think

Ben Brocka

...what have you done

agent86

something was broken and it was scary hold me :(

GnomeSlice

fredley

@badp You'd still presumably have a separate, fuller badge page

As discussed in other answers

badp

21:22

@BenBrocka counterexample

Ben Brocka

cheater

Yuki

@badp Oh god, I'm so used to bottom-up bullet hell games, I went a bit cross-eyed when I saw that.

badp

@Yuki Jamestown is a bottom-up bullet hell game

That particular ship has an alt fire you can adjust the shooting direction of

Yuki

@badp Then why was that level top-down?

@badp Ah.

Ben Brocka

@Yuki Gundeadligne lets you switch back and forth (it's a vertical, can face left or right, mostly right though)

badp

21:24

@Yuki The objective is just to survive, you can't shoot anyhting

also Jamestown is pretty awesome and you need to be aware that it is a thing that exists

Yuki

@badp If you can't shoot anything, then why do they let you shoot things?

badp

@Yuki It's a side challenge

The rest of the game has things to shoot

GnomeSlice

Magic Meisters is on Greenlight

badp

That particular alt-gun orientation thing is kinda fiddly actually. You right click and then move in the direction you want it to fire at and then release and actually go places

Ben Brocka

I challenge you to complete all the challenges in Gundeadligne. All bosses, 1 life per, on demonic difficulty

@badp ew. Does it at least do normal twin-stick if you use a controller?

I hate mouse controls in twin-stick games

badp

21:26

@BenBrocka I don't know?

It's not a twin-stick game

Ben Brocka

Oh you move the ship in the direciton to fire in?

Hate that

badp

Yes

@BenBrocka Use a different ship then

Ben Brocka

Move to change direction of fire and asteroids are my least favorite control paradigms

badp

I'm amazed that you haven't even so much as heard about Jamestown

The soundtrack is amazing too.

GnomeSlice

@badp You only know about it because it was in a humble bundle

badp

21:27

It was in a bundle you probably own it

Ben Brocka

I own jamestown I've just barely played it

agent86

I played it for some winter cheev

badp

@GnomeSlice Yes. So?

agent86

iirc I wrote a Q&A on the site that was moderately popular during the sale

think I got hatz or something

GnomeSlice

@badp So if somebody doesn't buy humble bundles they might not know about it. Why would that surprise you?

by the way

speaking of bullet hell shooty things

badp

21:29

Who doesn't buy humble bundles here

GnomeSlice

Sweezy Gunner is now available on Steam for $4, and it is totally worth it

badp

at any rate my computer parts should arrive tomorrow so my reign of terror and cheating are almost over

Ben Brocka

Is there some reason Jamestown gets hate/derision from jp shmoopers? I often hear its' not a "proper" one. Looks fairly bullet hell

badp

@BenBrocka have no idea. Maybe because it's not from Japan?

Ben Brocka

@badp you should load up Borderlands 2 and see what your poor eyeballs have been missing

Panic Bomb

21:30

@BenBrocka The only people I know who don't like it are touhou fanboys

I'm big into shmups and I love Jamestown

Ben Brocka

@badp that does set it apart from most. Didn't feel lame or anything from what I played

Touhou fans kinda turn me off those games specifically

Yuki

@BenBrocka Because those people have a hard-on for Touhou and anything not Touhou is condemned to hell.

badp

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Yuki

@BenBrocka Touhou fans kinda turn me off ~~those games specifically~~.

Panic Bomb

"Touhou is harder" is a meme in the shmups community because some jackhole inevitably will post that on any comment thread relating to the genre

Arperum

21:32

@BenBrocka Another game that does slow down on bad PC's is binding of isaac, it played way slower on the old laptop I played it on. It's not skipping of frames, it's actually playing slower.

badp

Well I guess the setting of Mars in the 17th century is also pretty alternative

Ben Brocka

@Arperum that's just Flash, all flash games do that

GnomeSlice

@PanicBomb Are you familiar with Tug?

Ben Brocka

it's a matter of the engine

Yuki

@PanicBomb I've never understood how that's a valid indicator of quality.

GnomeSlice

21:33

Wow, that game has gone up in price.

Pretty sure it was like $2 when I bought it and never played it.

Panic Bomb

@Yuki It's not, obviously, but a lot of people seem to be into Touhou for "tough game e-cred" like the worst sort of Dark Souls fans

Arperum

@BenBrocka true.

Ben Brocka

few 3D engines (like IDTech) are directly tied to 60/30FPS, in those cases lowered (or increased) frames directly affect gameplay

Panic Bomb

@GnomeSlice I was not! I'll check it out later.

badp

@BenBrocka being subscribed to Total Biscuit I expect to be aware of all such games

speaking of which

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(this is one of his shortest videos)

Yuki

21:34

@PanicBomb Yeah, was about to bring up the fact that Dark Souls is probably harder than most action-adventure RPGs I've played. Doesn't mean those other games suck.

Panic Bomb

For the record, Gradius III arcade is way harder than Touhou but it's generally considered garbage because of it

Ben Brocka

does he really make it a point to whine he can't use his dual titans?

Panic Bomb

because hard doesn't mean well-designed

badp

@BenBrocka He does occasionally mention when games don't support SLI

Ben Brocka

is gradius 3's arcade version even worse difficulty-wise than the SNES one?

Panic Bomb

21:35

@BenBrocka way worse

badp

anyway the fun part is at 5:17+

Ben Brocka

Huh. I'd already knock the SNES version significantly because of the "boss rush" 3/4ths of the way in that's nearly impossible due to losing power ups on death

Panic Bomb

@BenBrocka I believe that aside from 2-3 points in the game, recovery after dying is considered almost impossible in Gradius III AC

it's just poorly designed

GnomeSlice

@PanicBomb I also recommend this. I've not played a lot of shumps, and it's not an autoscrolling shooter like most of them, but it's hella fun.

And also dirt cheap.

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Ben Brocka

I never did like the "lose all power ups on death but power ups are required to win" design. Prefer bullet hell style "what is a power up" design, or games where power ups are, you know, power ups not requirements

Panic Bomb

21:38

This is one of the more famously hellish parts

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Fluttershy

I have so many games to play. ._.

SaintWacko

@Frank Do you have any idea why my scout ships refuse to explore anymore as soon as they find a system's sun?

Yuki

@PanicBomb Because that's what makes Dark Souls's difficulty so beautiful. It's not a result of design flaws. It's actually legitimately difficult and pretty much every death can be attributed to a mistake you made, not something wrong with the game design.

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka Sweezy Gunner has temporary powerups you can find from killing enemies. You can also apply permanent upgrades in shops, but they aren't as noticeable. It works pretty well.

Yuki

It's also why I like Monster Hunter.

GnomeSlice

21:39

@Yuki Yeah, Dark Souls really punishes mistakes.

badp

@PanicBomb (I'm assume you're aware of the Gradius TAS)

Panic Bomb

@Yuki Yep! Those are my favorite sorts of games. Lots of shmups are well-designed in that way too.

Yuki

@GnomeSlice It makes succeeding all that more enjoyable.

badp

oh wait. Gradius 3. I guess it's the wrong game

Ben Brocka

@PanicBomb crist is that in the SNES version even? I'd have remembered that. The velocity changes are bullshit

Panic Bomb

21:39

@badp I'm sure there are tons of them, so I'm not sure which one you might mean specifically

badp

@PanicBomb Adelikat's

GnomeSlice

@Yuki Although, getting low-level invaded by a level 18 gnomeslice with really advanced gear and dying in two hits isn't really a 'mistake'.

Panic Bomb

@BenBrocka No, that's the arcade version, and part of the reason it's infamous

SaintWacko

@PanicBomb Wow

Fluttershy

@Yuki (cc: @OrigamiRobot)

Ben Brocka

21:40

I didn't realize they were so different. Glad it wasn't "arcade perfect" in this case

Fluttershy

I'm only cc-ing him because I know he will disagree completely. <_<

Yuki

@Fluttershy Eh, I guess there are points where someone can say it's fake difficulty, but I don't see a lot of those moments in Dark Souls.

GnomeSlice

The Stomping Lands "early access" trailer

Origami Robot

Do not get me started.

GnomeSlice

:o

Lazers

21:41

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Q: How do I install Sharpshooters Extreme Graphics ENB V5?

I want to know how to install v5 not classic version. Include the link to the ENBDEV and how to install the actual ENB. It is very different from the classic because I looked through the files for anyone that doesn't know. I cannot find it anywhere on the webs just the classic version. When I try...

skyrim

GnomeSlice

@Yuki Some of the AOE bosses are kinda bullshit.

Ben Brocka

@Yuki Mega Man is my example of that (at least in the X games)

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot Dragon on the bridge, go.

Origami Robot

I'm not joking. Don't.

Ben Brocka

I feel extremely in-control. Though there's some areas that are BS. Like the fucking instakill laser stage in X5

GnomeSlice

21:42

@Yuki @BenBrocka Here's my contribution: store.steampowered.com/app/279160

Ben Brocka

and most of X6 in general

Yuki

I find that a lot of people complain about the inability to pause. Which is a legitimate complaint, I guess.

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy He's not that hard to avoid.

badp

@BenBrocka I'm sorry, your response last week has forever associated Megaman with Kinect, and it's all your fault

GnomeSlice

He usually gets you once when you try to run down the steps, but once you're in the middle he's dead easy to get past.

Yuki

21:43

@Fluttershy I like how you can get the sword from his tail by plinking him from below with arrows.

badp

THAT'S WHAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE DRUNK ON THE INTERNET

GnomeSlice

@Yuki That's because of all the online bullshit

@Yuki Do you have any characters around level 108?

@Yuki That takes like 200 arrows, it's easier to just cut it off.

Yuki

@GnomeSlice Not really? My highest-leveled character in DS1 is on my PS3, which is inaccessible right now.

> plinking him from below with arrows.

Ben Brocka

There's levels?! aw

Yuki

@BenBrocka Levels are just a total of all the stats you've increased.

user15026

21:45

@Lazers closes This is the THIRD time you have asked this. STOP. Please.

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka What? Yes.

It's to keep level 200s from invading level 1s

Yuki

But yes, Dark Souls is an RPG.

GnomeSlice

And level 1s from summoning level 200s

But a level 1 can invade a level 200. And get sat on.

Panic Bomb

@badp Okay, that's pretty funny

Yuki

@GnomeSlice They did away with soul level restrictions in DS2.

GnomeSlice

21:46

@Yuki =[

Yuki

Now matchmaking is determined by Soul Memory.

Fluttershy

Are we trying to convince @BenBrocka to play Dark Souls?

Yuki

Soul Memory is just an account of all the souls you've accumulated on that character ever. Even the ones you lose if you die and don't retrieve.

GnomeSlice

@Yuki wtf

Yuki

@Fluttershy I dunno. I'm not.

GnomeSlice

21:47

So it's based on time playing?

3ventic

@GnomeSlice It's based on souls acquired

Yuki

@GnomeSlice Kinda-sorta not really but maybe.

Panic Bomb

It's primarily designed to account for things like twinked-out level 1s with maxed pyromancy and upgraded equipment

3ventic

More souls acquired = more level or better gear, both help roughly the same amount

Yuki

@PanicBomb They also fixed that by making pyromancy scale to your stats.

@3ventic Eh. Again, kinda-sorta not really. Soul Memory also counts souls that you've lost, which kinda blows for people who suck at the game.

3ventic

21:49

Well, true

Fluttershy

@Yuki Oh. :(

@BenBrocka You should totes stream Dark Souls.

GnomeSlice

Does anybody know of a way to make Steam's download scheduler work again when it decides to ignore it without having to exit and restart steam?

it's fucking broken

Yuki

@Fluttershy I might do it some time.

GnomeSlice

It says it's limited to between midnight and 3AM, but it's happily downloading.

And if I pause it it will never start again.

3ventic

The thing I dislike the most about soul memory is that after a while people will have so different soul memories that they can't find a game anymore

Ben Brocka

21:50

@Fluttershy I have Demon's souls. Only with PS+. I took a peek but probably won't play much--RPGs, limited time etc

Yuki

@3ventic A good quasi-fix for that is the Name-Engraved Ring.

That and being a Sunbro.

GnomeSlice

Is Palm Kingdoms 2 a remake of an old game or something?

3ventic

I'm going to become a sunbro when I find the covenant.. probably

GnomeSlice

It looks like it.

@3ventic Sunlight Shrine

I made my level 18 a darkwraith so I could invade low level people in undead parish.

huehue

3ventic

I like the blue invasion covenant better (name escapes me), but there isn't much action there

GnomeSlice

21:51

@3ventic Blades of the Darkmoon

Yuki

Being a Sunbro shifts your priority when it comes to displaying your soapstone sign and the Name-Engraved Ring also shifts your priority with people have the same name on their ring.

3ventic

I find myself spending most of my time with a white summon sign down by a bonfire

Yuki

@3ventic Blue Sentinels.

3ventic

@GnomeSlice that's in dark souls 1

GnomeSlice

Name engraved ring?

Yuki

21:51

@GnomeSlice It's a Dark Souls 2 thing.

GnomeSlice

Oh you're not talking about DS1

FINE

Yuki

You should totally get that game if you're having fun with Dark Souls 1.

3ventic

I was a blade of the darkmoon in DS1

that was fun

GnomeSlice

@Yuki I don't have any money ;(

Yuki

They fixed quite a few perceived issues from DS1 although some changes might take some getting used to.

3ventic

21:52

Because of the thingy with dark anor londo, it was barely ever boring

Yuki

They also made dual-wielding a lot more viable.

3ventic

Dual-wielding is a lot of fun

Yuki

@3ventic I haven't really messed with it.

GnomeSlice

This is my noob-invasion armor

3ventic

I've tested quite a few of them

GnomeSlice

21:53

scary

3ventic

My favorite so far is dual-wielding hammers.

Yuki

Also, I think I have all my offensive stats where I want them. 28 STR, 20 DEX, 12 INT, 20-ISH FAITH.

Panic Bomb

I went sorcerer in DS2 and had fun with it

Yuki

@PanicBomb Yeah, they buffed magic hard.

Gonna pump FAITH as my main offensive stat now.

Panic Bomb

Hexes in particular I found fun once you get them

Yuki

21:54

Well, after I get my defensive stats where I want them.

I'm thinking 25 VIGOR, 20 ENDURANCE, 25 VITALITY.

3ventic

Panic Bomb

@Yuki HEALTH STAMINA ENDURANCE

Yuki

@3ventic Jeez, Mr. Glass Cannon.

I have just over half your Strength and Dexterity.

Although you do have more Endurance than me.

3ventic

@Yuki I leveled up DEX to 40 since then, END to about 27-ish

Yuki

My stats are a bit more spread-out.

3ventic

21:57

I have a few points put into VGR too

Yuki

I think I have 15 VGR, 10 END, 15 VIT, 13 ATN, 28 STR, 20 DEX, 10 ADP, 12 INT, 23 FTH.

Frank

@SaintWacko It bugs out sometimes. Just move them a bit, and they'll keep going.

Yuki

I'm gonna start increasing VIT so I can carry heavier equipment.

3ventic

VIT is next on my list too

it's hard to effectively dual-wield halberds with <10 VIT..

Yuki

I think I'm going to go with the classic Black Knight look, which requires some heavy armor.

Sad that they didn't bring back the actual Black Knight armor set from DaS1.

3ventic

21:59

Black Knight Halberd is awesome

Yuki

@3ventic Yeah, but I'm going to be using the Greatsword.

3ventic

I use that and blacksmith's hammer right now

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