The Bridge

badp

18:01

@Wipqozn There are multiple areas interconnecting with each other in a "world"? SPOILERS!

You are such an awful turtle, you're almost a human being.

StrixVaria

That genetic algorithm car generation thing got way better

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Mutable floor <3

Sepia Lazers

0

Q: Hovering over the community links changes the header height

These 3 links in the top-bar: When you hover over the links, the height of the whole div.header changes from 28px to 29px, which is caused by this rule: Tested in Chrome 33 and IE 11 in case it matters. Only happens on Arqade out of all the sites I checked (MSO, SO, SE.com).

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria neat. My cars are developing spikes on the rear to correct themselves when they fall over

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka I can (and have) watched this for hours.

Ben Brocka

18:09

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria How many clones do you usually do?

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I just found this version, so I haven't really messed with these specific options much yet.

So far just one.

Ben Brocka

what's mutable floor do? IT looks about the same

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka The floor is different every round, so instead of generating cars specific to one track, it generates cars that are good all-around.

Once you get past distance ~140 the track starts to get pretty jagged.

Ben Brocka

Oh, cool

fredley

18:14

data porn

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria The last time I ran this, the track had this one really steep spike followed by a deep valley. I developed cars that were great at getting over the peak and them floundered about in the valley.

fredley

graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt1751105

Haha, Dexter: graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0773262

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Let's start a population with the same parameters and same seed and see how it goes

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot That's a good idea.

Seed should be "gir"

Floor: fixed

Origami Robot

This is acceptable to me.

Floor fixed? Interesting.

I like clones: 3 and mutation rate: 20%

StrixVaria

18:19

gravity: uranus

I think that about covers it.

Ready?

Origami Robot

Mutation size 100%

StrixVaria

Yeah

Origami Robot

Not even sure what that does

StrixVaria

100% is good.

Origami Robot

Like percentage of population that mutates?

I am ready

StrixVaria

18:21

No, that's how much it can mutate.

Ready, clicking Go!

Ben Brocka

switched to moon gravity, they barely operate

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I have a fairly normal looking car right away

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Same. I think we're going to get exactly the same cars due to the seed, but not positive.

Origami Robot

StrixVaria

Ok, maybe not.

I have this car that looks like a dog scooting its ass across the carpet.

Origami Robot

18:23

Ben Brocka

I've got one that just backflips the whole way

StrixVaria

I have 2 spikes in the floor that have spelled death for every car to approach them so far.

___/\_/\___

Wow thanks SE.

Like that but not bold and italic I guess.

badp

@BenBrocka I can see how, technically, the Mother series of RPGs is not considered as hard as say, Chrono Trigger (which wasn't even that hard), but Mother 3's battle system made each and every battle both more interesting and more draining

I literally could not bear fighting each and every opponent for each and every item box, so I started skipping crappy pickups and the associated fights, and that probably meant I was underleveled in some boss fights. As soon as I cheated the interesting part of everyday battles away from the game, the problem fixed itself immediately.

That... is a shitty problem to have, I guess.

Ben Brocka

I just didn't bother with the "beat" system at all, it's too slow and fussy

Origami Robot

StrixVaria

18:29

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, that's it!

I don't think we have the same cars, though.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I think we might have, but the initialization could spell instant death for cars taht otherwise would do well

Like if they spawn upside down

StrixVaria

I just had 2 cars each get stuck on a different spike.

Lazers

0

Q: In Pokemon X/Y is there a way to quick slect an item?

Is there a quicker way of selecting and item instead of having to navigate through your items to use it?

pokemon

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Realistically, the best hope is for one that jumps the pit in between.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Definitely.

Just had another crawl over the two, though, and then immediately fail on the next incline.

badp

18:32

@BenBrocka You take way too much damage in the alternative

I mean, it's enjoyable to beat the crap out of enemies to their own beat - to a length.

StrixVaria

Oh damn just had a car blaze past it. Missed seeing it but hopefully the next gen does it too.

Aha! It did a frontflip over the 2nd spike.

badp

OTOH, games like Chrono Trigger present you with hundred of battles, of which only 99% or so requires more sophisticated input than holding A.

On the other hand, the end game is about 9 boss fights in a row, bring your own health and magic refills.

Ben Brocka

Does fixed give EVERYONE the same track or are we all getting different fixed tracks?

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka If you used the same seed as us (gir) then you should have the same track.

Otherwise it's random but it's the same for you every time.

Origami Robot

Troll spike :(

Ben Brocka

18:35

ah

This be the beast that be killin me cars

StrixVaria

I am way too lazy to crop screenshots to show you how mine is doing.

badp

@StrixVaria scrot -s

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I use Greenshot to crop the screen as I take the screenshot and automatically upload to imgur

StrixVaria

@badp Should I man scrot to know what this is?

badp

@StrixVaria SCReenshOT

-s says you just want a selection of the screen (click and drag)

you can also add -d 3 to give yourself a 3 seconds headstart

StrixVaria

18:36

> The program 'scrot' is currently not installed. To run 'scrot' please ask your administrator to install the package 'scrot'
You will have to enable the component called 'universe'

Ben Brocka

snipping tool is awesome in win 7. Though it doesn't work well with keyboard shortcuts

badp

You might need to install it separately.

StrixVaria

'universe' sounds foreboding.

badp

Dunno if there's a freer alternative

Lazers

0

Q: Importing games back into steam

Recently got a new pc, put the HDD from old pc into new one, reinstalled Steam however I want to use the library from old pc on new one but keep it on external. New pc has a SSD which I do not want to fill up so going to put everything going to the external. Any ideas please?

steam

Ben Brocka

18:37

To install scrot from scratch you must first install the universe

badp

@BenBrocka This is essentially command line snipping tool without post-fact annotations - manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man1/scrot.1.html

Origami Robot

I just press Print Screen, select the area I want to capture, and select imgur as the destination

Ben Brocka

if I go mutable then fixed will I get a new track? This chasm is unfair

Origami Robot

I have Jawas

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka Yes I believe so.

badp

18:39

I have an obstacle at 186 meters only one car in generation 15 got through

I'm not at generation 25

I'm not sure any car at all can get past this point

Ben Brocka

@badp I'd be amazed if anything ever passed that

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot I love this game

Has there been an update recently?

Ben Brocka

spikes are op

StrixVaria

@SaintWacko rednuht.org/genetic_cars_2

Origami Robot

@SaintWacko Mutable floors

SaintWacko

18:42

@StrixVaria Oh, that's a new one

The original is here: boxcar2d.com

Although this one looks way better

badp

Sconibulus

I had a really promising mutation that lasted 2 generations before mutating the wrong direction and losing itself... it made me sad

badp

It's a toddlermobile

Sconibulus

so far it's the only one that makes it past one particular obstacle

SaintWacko

Haha

Playing with Moon gravity is fun

badp

18:48

@Sconibulus CHECKMATE ATHEISTS

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Generation 86 and my best is 180.95 distance

Which happened in generation 61.

Ben Brocka

Top distance is 217.43 so far

StrixVaria

On the "gir" seed?

Ben Brocka

was using jupiter gravity, now trying earth again

no not gir

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria What? I'm only on gen 11...

badp

18:50

@StrixVaria If you're using the same seed then surely you should be getting the same cars?

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot click surprise and it goes faster and doesn't draw

doesn't use much CPU though, it must be able to go faster

StrixVaria

@badp This I'm not sure about. That's definitely possible.

@BenBrocka Even so my computer is a complete beast at work.

SaintWacko

Are the cars in this one breakable?

StrixVaria

Even if I were animating I'd be much past 11.

@SaintWacko No.

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria Aww

Ben Brocka

18:51

@StrixVaria My work computer is a butt and Im' way past 11. Surprise speeds it even though it's not CPU throttled. I'm not sure what is throttling it, probably something in the code

Chippies

@badp I think the seed is just for the world.

badp

@BenBrocka Probably DOM updates that the thing does anyway

Chippies

> Create new world with seed: The same seed always creates the same track, so you can agree on a seed with your friends and compete. :)

badp

(like distance travelled, the bars, etc.)

Chippies

how the fk does one do block quotes in chat?

bleh

SaintWacko

18:52

> like this

badp

@Chippies with a space after the > sign. Also, no newlines.

Chippies

oh...

SaintWacko

Wait, so what does floor: mutable do?

Sconibulus

what do the three lines on the graph represent? The red is pretty obviously best...

badp

@Sconibulus I guess it's 2nd and 3rd best?

Origami Robot

18:53

@SaintWacko mutates the floor

obvi

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Alright, it didn't seem to be changing much. Also, does that mean that with a given seed, it'll always have the same floor mutations?

Sconibulus

@badp nah, frequently secong best and best are about the same

Ben Brocka

okay I'm trying the Gir seed. Are you guys not messing with gravity?

Sconibulus

the low one might be Median

Origami Robot

@BenBrocka uranus

Ben Brocka

18:54

rude

badp

Even the same car will perform slightly differently every time

#1: 185.9 d:181.17 h:0/15.74m (gen 9)
#2: 185.6 d:180.85 h:0/15.74m (gen 8)
#3: 185.54 d:180.83 h:0/15.74m (gen 11)
#4: 185.52 d:180.81 h:0/15.74m (gen 7)
#5: 185.52 d:180.81 h:0/15.74m (gen 10)

SaintWacko

So is there a particular seed everyone is using?

Ben Brocka

it says at the bottom that it's not deterministic yet

SaintWacko

and a particular gravity

Ben Brocka

@SaintWacko gir

Origami Robot

18:55

SPIKES PAST

StrixVaria

@SaintWacko Speed?

Origami Robot

THEN IMMEDIATELY DIED

badp

@BenBrocka scrolling is cheating

Ben Brocka

Ohhhh I think it's only simulating while the tab is active

Origami Robot

BEFORE THAT, I HAD A CAR ENTER THE PIT AND THEN LEAVE THE PIT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

SaintWacko

18:56

@BenBrocka Or at least only while it's visible

If you drag it to a second monitor, it'll keep going

Ben Brocka

top score is now 194

This track is brutal

Origami Robot

@BenBrocka OH THAT'S WHY I'M ONLY ON 11

WELL, 15 NOW

StrixVaria

Ben Brocka

yeah split the tab into a new window and just leave it in the background and it'll keep simulating

StrixVaria

almost made it past that, then fell in.

SaintWacko

18:58

What

Ben Brocka

yeah I see that

badp

one final note about Mother 3

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria OH GOD IS THAT AFTER THE SPIKES?

SaintWacko

It just stopped a car that was still going

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Way past the spikes, yes.

badp

18:59

I wonder if the credits are... cut short (given the sequence of images in the background) just so the US localization team had the headroom for their own credits?

Ben Brocka

badp

or if the devs just kinda ran out of money towards the end, which is the vibe I've been getting.

Ben Brocka

the spikes are nothing

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