The Bridge

Kevin van der Velden

13:00

@Arperum jeah people were lucky, fortunately it wasn't at peak hours and it hit at one of those walkways between carriages

fredley

It probably saved the WWF, and the Panda, but condemned many other species, due to the massive expense of keeping pandas alive and breeding

Wipqozn

Scumbag Pandas.

5pike

@fredley Pandas suck at living

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Belgian trains during peak hours == every single bit of place full of people. Including walkways.

Kevin van der Velden

@5pike and they're even worse at having children

fredley

13:00

His successor went on record to say that he'd quite happily eat the last panda alive if the money had been spent on saving other species.

@Arperum You should try the Tube in London at morning rush hour

5pike

@KevinvanderVelden They also cannot really digest their go-to food.

fredley

So people, many crush, such odour, not-wow

Arperum

@fredley No thanks, I've seen enough tetris train situations.

Meraj99

@5pike Let's just say it's a Mech game, alright?

5pike

@Meraj99 Hopefully

Kevin van der Velden

13:02

@fredley Adding in a iron pole shooting up through the floor won't help

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden The best is when there are deaths on the track, so the line has to shut, and you have to back-up all those people, against the tide of people trying to get in.

I DISLIKE TRAINS

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Not really no. And I was on some train that happened to be in a major train crash, I've seen people who got badly hurt by trains.

fredley

@Arperum We should put all the pandas on all the trains and set fire to everything

Arperum

The specific incident, I was there because I overslept for an hour >_<

Also: damn, that's nearly four years ago.

I can still see the wreckage like it was yesterday.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum "Hey boss, yeah I'm gonna be a bit late. Well I overslept..." "Hey boss, Gonna be a bit later again. Well turn on the news"

Arperum

13:07

@KevinvanderVelden It was still school at that time. I didn't go to school that day, I stayed at the site to help.

I wasn't allowed to help with the wreckage itself though, since I was/ am not qualified for such cases. I'd have helped if allowed though.

kalina

requesting a typing validation

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A: How do I reset Quake Live video settings without launching the game?

You'll want to edit your Quake Live configuration file. This can be found in the following locations, depending on the version of Windows you're running: Windows XP: %appdata%\id Software\quakelive\home\baseq3 Windows Vista or later: %userprofile%\AppData\LocalLow\id Software\quakelive\home\bas...

Meraj99

@Arperum What do you mean "I was on some train that happened to be in " and "I stayed at the site to help"...

kalina

I just typed out all of those resolutions and they all look correct to me

badp

Another thing that won't be happening in a few hours is the introduction of VR support for Arqade.

Sorry.

kalina

WHAT?

I was looking forward to browsing questions with my occulus rift

now I'm going to go to GameFAQs, they have occulus support

badp

13:10

@kalina Use the Steam VR mode and open Arqade in the Steam browser.

kalina

doesn't beat native support

badp

balpha is likely working on it.

Blem

3

Kevin van der Velden

I kinda want an oculus rift

Arperum

@Meraj99 As in: The train I was on had two trains who frontalled fall into mine. I helped at the place where people where gathered after the incident, So the people who where not hurt, and those who could still walk where all gathered over there. Plus some who where brought there to be send off to the hospital after the ambulance returned from bringing the badly wounded people to the hospital first.

kalina

13:13

apparently the steam vr prototype is better than the current occulus

badp

@KevinvanderVelden me too!

@kalina but not as good as the next oculus

Kevin van der Velden

I'm wondering if I should just buy a dev kit or not... hmm decisions

kalina

well the next occulus has been worked on by John Carmack

badp

...which might come to us in 2015, as the Steam Dev Days slides hint to

kalina

so that's a bit unfair on the competition

RedRiderX

13:15

@Blem Heh Bizzaro is one of the few syndicated newspaper comics I like

Arperum

@Meraj99 I've seen the carnage caused by it, I still don't need a single picture to see it again. I can still see the completly ripped up train.

badp

@kalina He's kind of just joined the project I assume

Even he will need some ramp up time

kalina

you're so funny

he'll just rewrite everything

next occulus rift will improve graphics in old games and everything

turn 2d scrollers into 3d

integrate your heartbeat into the AI director in Left 4 Dead

and inflict real pain on you when you get shot

Meraj99

The game I can't wait to play, has slow download speeds. x. x

kalina

boredom is starting to set in

badp

13:19

Shortly I'll be able to disappoint you in new and exciting ways.

kalina

good, it's been a while since you disappointed me

badp

mouse lingers on kick button

kalina

...

Arperum

@badp Don't make her regret deleting her account again.

badp

see? that would be rather unexpected!

kalina

13:21

that would disappoint me a lot

badp

it would not be a new way to disappoint you however.

kalina

no, it wouldn't

badp

although, really, no kick is like any other

kalina

nope, they're all pretty much identical

Arperum

@badp It won't be exciting though.

badp

13:24

@Arperum oh it would cause all kinds of excitement.

kalina

if I ever got elected as a moderator, I'd never kick anybody

just saying

Arperum

@badp But the kicking itself won't be exciting at all, the result maybe. But not the kick.

@kalina You'd ban them?

kalina

there is no chat specific ban, it would have to be something quite serious for a chat wide ban

badp

flags ban for 30 minutes network wide

30 minutes is a rather short amount of time, given that the recommended minimum per-site ban duration is 7 days.

...and it doesn't cost you 100 reputation.

kalina

yeah but unless the person in question is only using the one channel, suspending them from chat results in them not being able to chat elsewhere on the network

Arperum

13:28

@badp Are shorter bans possible?

kalina

like for example, if I were banned from chat for something menial said in one room, I actively chat in 5-6 rooms, I wouldn't be able to chat at all during that time

if it can be resolved another way, it would be best to use that other method than suspending

badp

@kalina I don't honestly think this is a problem. If you ban somebody from a room, it's going to make them very angry. If you're going to be very angry in another room, you could probably get banned again, and get even angrier

kalina

obviously if you can't resolve it another way, drop the hammer

badp

@kalina That's where moderator discretion and the "unban" button kick in.

kalina

morning @jmfsg

jmfsg

13:29

morning

badp

@Arperum No. Manual bans on chat are multiples of 1 hour; on the site, of 1 day.

kalina

@badp there's no harm in giving them the chance to sort themselves out first and/or try another way to resolve the situation

if they're banned with flags, that was the community's choice

badp

@kalina In my experience, that can usually that can be sorted out through private messaging of some sort. I've been poked in Steam for site business plenty of times.

My email address is in my profile, ready for copy paste.

Lazers

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Q: What should I do with my excess gold?

With the auction house closing soon, and with an expansion coming out sometime this year, what should I do with my gold? I suspect that once the Auction House closes, gold will drastically fall in value. Normally, if I know this to be the case, I would buy better gear. But, since item level will...

diablo-3

Wipqozn

@badp That reminds me, I keep meaning to sign you up for a bunch of mailing lists!

kalina

13:31

I believe that in most instances, if you tell a user they'll get banned before banning them, they'll probably chill out

maybe my beliefs are misplaced, but it's worth the try

jmfsg

@kalina that rarely happens

kalina

@jmfsg just because it rarely happens doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted though

Wipqozn

also, bans are also supposed to deter you from misbehaving in the future.

tombull89

Banning people without warning (or unexpectedly) is likely gonna piss them off. If you warn them they're closed to a ban I bet most would chill.

kalina

that's the way the other moderation processes usually work on the actual site

tombull89

13:32

Course, this is the Bridge, so...

kalina

communicate with them first and let them know something is wrong

jmfsg

@kalina sure, we do it all the time. It almost never works though.

kalina

if they continue, ban them

Wipqozn

I usually see people get warning to curve their behaviour before they get a chat ban. It usually doesn't work.

2

badp

@kalina In my experience it leads to even more anger; see yesterday with Mr. Bratwurst Pony

Wipqozn

13:33

Also, users are usually asked several times by non-mods to stop behaviour too.

kalina

@badp what? I missed drama?

badp

@kalina You were there when he made the remark about self-fellatio

kalina

@Wipqozn this is similar but not quite the same as a more "official" warning from somebody with a blue name

@badp oh yeah, I vaguely remember

I have slept since

badp

His reaction to my remark was definitely non-linear.

kalina

multiple times, actually

It would be nice if SE implemented room or site specific banning though IMO

the kick function gets a user out of a room temporarily but it's pretty much a pointless function beyond pouring fuel all over an already lit fire

Arperum

13:37

@badp I have the vague idea that I would have missed the drama either way if Mr Bratwurst Pony is who I think it is.

kalina

so many people in here use the ignore function so much

RedRiderX

Great Zeus you can't even login to chat.se in tampermonkey on Android

It does't even have cookies

no wait it does sound like it's localstorage that it's missing

badp

@RedRiderX you'll have to use stackexchange.com/users/chat-login

Arperum

@kalina I don't use it so much, I have two users on ignore. One of them hasn't visited chat since his original visit that got him ignored anymore I think, the other user does, and every time I go look at the transcript I get annoyed at him, so it's for the best that I keep him on ignore.

RedRiderX

Oh let me try that

kalina

13:42

but?

RedRiderX

Ugh mobile

kalina

@RedRiderX is it sad that I read this correctly even with the wrong word in it?

or is my brain starting to become programmed to correctly read autoincorrected text?

RedRiderX

@badp oh hey that works thanks

kalina

3 hours 14 minutes to go

Arperum

2 hours 10 minutes.

Sterno

13:51

According to @Frank, we have about 6 hours to go until The Event, which I predict to be that everyone who doesn't star @Frank's "Good Morning, Bridge" within 10 minutes of seeing it gets a day long chat ban

RedRiderX

SwiftKey knows me so well already

Sterno

Oh no! I lost 10 rep yesterday because a user was removed!

Arperum

@Sterno Stupid users getting removed all the time.

Sterno

They can't be stupid if they upvoted me!

kalina

I lost 190 rep when a user deleted their account

I'm assuming that was awxwkrashduashdiba because it happened like the day he said he was quitting

for a brief moment, I liked the guy, and then I remembered I'd just lost 190 rep, so...

"awww... he upvoted me... and NOW HE'S GONE RAAAAAAAAAAHH"

Sterno

13:57

Account deletion is not a victimless crime!

I wonder why it actually results in the rep loss.

Tim Stone

701

Q: Don't throw away all votes when a user is deleted

Currently, when a moderator deletes a user all of the user's votes are removed along with the user himself. I was pretty surprised at this behaviour when I first heard about it, and I don't think it is a good idea to throw away all of the votes just because the user is deleted. Votes are locked ...

feature-request users deleted-accounts

Sterno

I.e., intentional vs byproduct of the way it's coded

kalina

@Sterno most likely to deal with the sock puppet scenario

Tim Stone

Well, if you view account deletion as a purely punitive action it makes sense, for ^ that reason.

Sterno

So you just need a nukeAccount() method and a nukeAccountWithFire() method

kalina

13:58

tbh, it's the same with highly upvoted content

Tim Stone

But for the whole other set of reasons why an account might be deleted it doesn't really, no.

kalina

if I answer a question and get 20 upvotes, but then the problem the question was about is fixed by a third party and we decide to delete the question, I don't think those votes should be removed

Tim Stone

@Sterno I include fire as an optional parameter to everything, Just in Case.

kalina

I know about the six month rule, but we're so tidy around here that it's frequently only a month or two old at the point its deleted

Martin Sojka

@TimStone makeIcecream(withFire=true);

Tim Stone

14:00

Fried ice cream is delicious.

Sterno

@TimStone That post shows the futility of arguing about anything on meta.

Tim Stone

Why's that? :P

Sterno

The highest answer by a large margin, with 322 upvotes and a bounty, is not how the system works, nor do I see any official response anywhere in that meta (granted, I only skimmed it)

Tim Stone

@kalina (It's the 60 day rule, by the way)

kalina

I thought it was 6 months

Tim Stone

14:02

Blog - Stack Exchange: Reputation and Historical Archives

Shog9 on March 05, 2012

If you’ve been around Meta Stack Overflow the past few days, you’ve seen a fair bit of conversation sparked by the recent changes to how reputation is calculated:

To be clear: reputation values are not changing, every action in the system is still worth the same amount. Here’s what will be different:

Your reputation will be correct at all times

Deletions will have a much more immediate effect on reputation, not waiting on a recalc (but reputation sync takes up to 5 minutes on a delete/undelete action; as to not block the user’s response thread, it’s offloaded to a background queue) …

kalina

I don't suppose it would be acceptable to undelete and redelete a post just to get the rep off it

I just think the system is a little bit iffy in that regards

I suppose we should stop being so tidy

they obviously wanted the question deleting, because it needed like 6 delete votes

Tim Stone

@Sterno Ah, well the lack of official response probably makes sense unless they want to outright decline it. The system only recently started collecting reasons for account deletion, which of course would be a prerequisite to that even being looked at.

David M

@badp I can't keep track of what day it is in UTC world. Is today the big reveal or is that tomorrow (5 PM my time . . .)

Mad Scientist

@Sterno There are some answers on why it isn't done in some comments, in other posts on meta and some in TL chat. While I still want this changed, it is quite a bit more complicated than I thought initially.

Tim Stone

Right, the implementation would be a nightmare too, I'm sure.

Meraj99

14:04

About cydia stuff = Jailbreak stuff. Allowed?

1

Q: Can I use PS3 / PS4 controller on iOS 7?

Since, evasi0n iOS7 is already out and we all know that iOS 7 already has Gaming Controller support or APIs, I'm wondering if there is some sort of Cydia tweak that is already out / under-development to make the PS3 / PS4 controller compatible with iOS 7. I have an iPad and I think playing Basti...

controllers ios

Tim Stone

@DavidM It's in a handful + some hours.

Mad Scientist

@TimStone Making sure that it can't be abused to hide the data about vote fraud is also a rather big problem

kalina

@Sterno wasn't the "high rep users' votes are preserved" thing a response to this?

like, when I left, all of my votes were retained, but assigned to community

David M

@TimStone Thx!

RedRiderX

Hmm are there userscripts around that augment desktop so that it works better on mobile stuff?

kalina

14:06

@TimStone 5-10 hours?

Tim Stone

@kalina Correct

RedRiderX

because I think mobile chat is mostly a write off

kalina

that's such a wide timeframe

@RedRiderX this isn't an opinion, it's a fact

RedRiderX

Heh

Tim Stone

I keep saying they should totally let me redo mobile chat.

RedRiderX

14:07

@TimStone I feel bored today so I was wondering if I should write my first userscript

Tim Stone

I don't think there's a userscript that does what you're suggesting, mostly because mobile devices haven't (don't?) had the ability to use userscripts.

RedRiderX

I wonder if you move the sidebar behind a nav button if that would help desktop chat on mobile

David M

So, now we all have to live in fear that someone who really loved a game that you have answered things about will delete their account. And, next thing you know, you'll be down to like 120 rep?

RedRiderX

@TimStone well I'm going to use Tampermonkey

David M

Sorry if I'm late to the party. I was reading the back script.

RedRiderX

14:09

It's very nonideal but if it works it might be worth it

can you make a book mark look like an app icon?

On android?

Frank

Good morning, Bridge

7

kalina

@DavidM it could happen, but not normally that extreme - other people will be responsible for votes as well and those votes won't be removed

@DavidM also in the instance of a really high rep user leaving, their votes are assigned to the Community user and you don't lose them

@Frank morning

David M

@kalina Got it.

RedRiderX

Early prototypes show something akin to promise

fredley

@RedRiderX What is this?!

RedRiderX

14:19

experiments in making desktop chat work on mobile

AKA making my first userscript

Wandang

@5pike ...

5pike

@Wandang There are more

Wandang

Kevin van der Velden

@RedRiderX "Fap cray leggings" I've heard of some weird fetishes but...

RedRiderX

@KevinvanderVelden Hey this is me hacking someone else's prototype!

Arperum

14:24

> leggings gluten-free.

RedRiderX

I didn't choose the lorem ipsum

Arperum

I'd assume leggings are always gluten free?

Kevin van der Velden

@RedRiderX the lorem ipsum chose you?

5pike

@RedRiderX Where did you get this mock-text? Seems hilarious

RedRiderX

@5pike No idea it was just already in the proto type I found

now that I read it it's kind of amazing

5pike

14:26

@RedRiderX can you post the full text? Or pastebin it?

RedRiderX

Here just look at the Codepen: codepen.io/TimPietrusky/pen/CLIsl

It's all in there

> authentic wolf mlkshk put a bird on it typewriter.

5pike

> Fap stumptown fingerstache mustache

Sterno

Getting weird in here.

Wandang

wow my coworker just asked me for an empty handkerchief package because he has no condoms at the moment

hilarious

5pike

@Wandang ...

What?

Kevin van der Velden

14:31

@Wandang I... you may need to re-translate that sentence

Or at least I bloody well hope so

Sterno

Getting weirder in here.

kalina

@Sterno Hi Sterno!

RedRiderX

@KevinvanderVelden Nope, it's really that... unusual.

kalina

let's go over here and talk about normal things!

user15026

What have I woken up to.....

Wandang

14:32

he was not serious about it

had a good laugh

Kevin van der Velden

@AshleyNunn go back to bed, probably better

user15026

pulls the blankets over her head again

Kevin van der Velden

Also bed is awesome

kalina

@Wandang you "have a laugh" about the strangest things

Frank

@AshleyNunn Sleep is awesome.

kalina

14:33

@AshleyNunn blanket fortress

blankets have a unique trait: protection from anything

Wandang

this in empty

@kalina we both had

user15026

@kalina nothing bad can get me from inside the blankets fortress.

kalina

@Wandang doesn't change what I said

@AshleyNunn exactly! Even ghosts!

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina unless they're friendly ghosts! With hot chocolate, then they can come in for a bit

Wandang

@AshleyNunn you are so lazy!

i like it

kalina

14:35

There is a difference between lazy and comfy, just sayin'

user15026

@wandang it is 930 in the morning!

user15026

And I have flannel sheets!

user15026

That just screams "hide in the blanket fortress"

kalina

comfy beds have like a velcro effect on my ability to get out of them

FEichinger

And I'm back.

Wheeeee.

Kevin van der Velden

14:36

Still semi-kinda-sorta-seriously considering doing this some day:

I've looked into this, and I can't figure out a way to do it cheaply. And I guess it wouldn't be sanitary.

user15026

My bed is so comfy today. I think because I am still exhausted post-con.

Wandang

@AshleyNunn i avoid those because i would never get out of bed then. and since i am no student i cannot skip lectures

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden making out in a playpen full of balls?

Wandang

Ik slaap dezelfde die op het toetsenbord

user15026

@kevin if I had a room with a door that actually shut well....

Kevin van der Velden

14:37

@kalina also a good thing, probably, hard to clean though

@Wandang "I sleep the same they on the keyboard"?

Wandang

@KevinvanderVelden haha google translate sucks

Lazers

0

Q: Not Letting me on the world?

Right When I join The game on Singleplayer the game shuts down I try other worlds and it doesn't do that I've try restarting my computer but it still doesn't this does any one know how to fix this?

minecraft minecraft-pixelmon

Wandang

i wrote "i am about to sleep on the keyboard any second"

user15026

@kevin okay, I am not the only one who didn't get that sentence. Just assumed my language abilities were broken. (haven't been learning for very long)

user15026

...I need more sleep. Be good, Bridge.

Wandang

14:39

Kunt u mij verkopen wat wiet

kalina

@AshleyNunn o/

Wandang

@AshleyNunn greet your castles villagers from us

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang Awkward, but readable, "Could you some weed sell me" basically (in dutch the "some weed" goes before the sell bit)

Wandang

my english is so bad

user15026

It's a fortress :p

Wandang

14:40

Kunt u mij wat wiet verkopen

funky

kalina

I can't believe you'd be so mean to discuss my one true love after the vicious breakup I had, right in front of me

Frank

I like that flowchart.

Sterno

I hate the top right of it.

Oh, wait, no I don't.

HATE BEAM RETRACTED

Frank

@Sterno You agree with me that the flowchart is good?

kalina

too late, your hate beam destroyed the flowchart, the user who posted it, the user who made it, and their entire family and circle of friends

you should be more careful with your hate beam

@Frank it promotes alcoholism

Sterno

14:45

@Frank Well, I don't like beer, so rather than "good" I'll give it an "okay"

Wandang

can u lend me 20 k rep for 1 day?

Frank

@kalina You say that like it's a bad thing.

Wandang

so i can feel like i am important?

kalina

@Frank it is

Frank

@Sterno ...I'm not a huge fan of beer, either.

kalina

14:45

@Wandang 20k rep allows you to cause lots of damage

Wandang

@kalina we both know i wouldnt...

Sterno

Hate beams are fueled by reputation.

kalina

@Wandang not convinced...

Frank

@Wandang See, that right there tells me you would.

Sterno

In less than 1 day, StackExchange is implementing a button that lets you transfer all your rep to another user for one day.

Wandang

14:48

i am a sheep

i would only free the minds

fredley

RRRRRRRRRRRAGE

FFS

Sterno

@Wandang What does that even mean?

Wandang

allowing much more minecraft setup question

fredley

YES I FUCKING COMPILED YOU WITH FUCKING ARMV7 FUCKING SYMBOLS

Sterno

Well, we do need more Minecraft setup questions.

4

fredley

14:49

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

kalina

I agree

and breaking blocks questions

maybe a couple more LAN questions too

Sterno

Wandang

oh yeah

fredley

@Sterno RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE

Mad Scientist

20k rep is nothing in terms of possible abuse, the diamond is the real benchmark

2

fredley

14:50

RAGE

Sterno

I watched that movie way too much as a kid.

fredley

RAGE

Wandang

my coworkers project is called cums

fredley

@MadScientist This needs to be pinned

Wandang

controller user management

fredley

14:50

right now

kalina

@MadScientist you're obliged to at least pretend to behave though

Jason Berkan

@kalina He just needs plausible deniability.

Lazers

-1

Q: What sizes are the Left 4 Dead 2 Poster Kit posters?

That's basically it. What are the sizes for the posters?

steam left-4-dead-2

Sterno

19 mins ago, by Sterno

Getting weirder in here.

OrigamiRobot

@Frank Not cool.

FEichinger

14:52

@Sterno "weirder"? On the Bridge?

kalina

@Lazers goddamit, I just googled an answer for you and you've deleted it!

Wandang

@Lazers why is that question deleted and downvoted? it is short but a clear question isnt it?

5pike

@kalina Well, you can tell us.

kalina

@5pike 1024x1024 normally but I also got some resources for arranging the survivors as well

Arperum

@fredley RAGE?

fredley

14:57

@Arperum SO MUCH RAGE

WHY IS THIS NOT FIXED? HOW CAN IT BE SO BROKE?

Arperum

@fredley Let the hate flow through you. And into all the apple products you own.

fredley

WHY HOW EVERYTHING OUT??

2

@Arperum IT IS APPLE PRODUCTS THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEMS, APPLE HATRED LEVELS NORMAL

kalina

@fredley's rage is causing my internet to lag out

Arperum

@fredley That's why you need to direct the hate to them.

fredley

@Arperum NEED FLAMETHROWER FOR ACCURATE HATE DIRECTION

tombull89

14:59

@kalina no, that's the Zalgo.

kalina

no

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