The Bridge

BESW

11:02

[counts pony avatars] Oh, my. This chat is 21% cooler than I expected.

5

It looks like @badp and at least one other are confused. Anything I can do to alleviate the condition?

Kevin van der Velden

1

Q: So I heard you like Ponies

After the people over at Hasbro made a My Little Pony animated series, I thought it would be fun to pon-ify some of the people here. They were apparently very popular (mostly) and people were asking for more. So here are some of the ponies I made. If you want to make your own, just use Pony Crea...

BESW

Lovely.

fredley

I would play D&D, if I'd ever played D&D before

FEichinger

@BESW Not really confused. ;)

BESW

@fredley I think part of the goal of this endeavor is to keep that from being an obstacle.

fredley

11:13

@BESW I'd be keen to try it out, although time restrictions may be insurmountable

BESW

That... is a challenge I've run into frequently.

Lazers

1

Q: Can't connect to minecraft servers after 1.7.2 update

Both server and client are 1.7.2, that's for sure. I can connect to the same server with 1.7.2 client from another PC. But on my main PC I get this in console (using linux, oracle jdk 6, no luck with jdk 7): [14:50:30 INFO]: Client> [14:50:30] [Client thread/INFO]: Connecting to ***.org, 25565 [...

minecraft

Sepia Lazers

1

Q: Are questions about unreleased consoles (Xbox one and PS4) on topic?

The Xbox one and PS4 will shortly be released. Are questions about these consoles on topic? I know that questions about unreleased games are off topic, but there is a fair amount of information out specifically about these two consoles.

discussion

fredley

Obduction is nearly nearly there

BESW

It's one reason I suggested Roll For Shoes as a good system: it's fast and loose. No prepwork for GM or players, can do a quick game in an hour, and doesn't need to be consistent from session to session.

Oh, man, I totally forgot about Obduction!

fredley

11:16

Wat

BESW

@fredley Must... support... Cyan...

5pike

@fredley How can this be an accident?

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley uuh, what the...

@5pike I suppose it could be some extreme bondage fetish =/

fredley

Man accidentally cuts himself into pieces and padlocks himself into a sports bag. What a terrible accident.

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley ooh the cutting into pieces bit I did not know

5pike

11:17

@KevinvanderVelden That or he tried a magic trick.

BESW

@fredley I have known people who I'd believe that about.

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Think so

@KevinvanderVelden Oh ok maybe not

Getting real life confused with films again

Also on today's watdar: McRibs

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley so, when you gonna change your avatar to the hip new alternative to porkchops?

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden No.

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley =[

kalina

11:21

BESW

@kalina That's awful.

kalina

I don't care, I passed

fredley

@kalina "No, you got that pair wrong, you can't be my girlfriend"

kalina

according to the individual who posted it to me, I am an awesome girlfriend

also

@BESW you are new here

Why are you here

WHY?

5pike

4 hours ago, by Sepia Lazers

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Q: Arqade/Bridge D&D campaign

A late-night conversation had me wondering what we could do for some community-building. We hit upon the idea of a D&D campaign. Right now, I just want to send some feelers out as to who would be interested in a community D&D campaign. Some key questions we'll have to answer if we want to do this...

discussion community-event

BESW

11:25

@kalina @Krazer came over to rpg.se chat to talk about this, and I bit.

fredley

I'm gonna place my bet now: @kalina hates D&D

kalina

I'm not even going to comment

other than thanking you guys for reminding me that I'm the normal one in here

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina you are welcome :)

Arperum

@BESW Do you have Teeth of Biting 2 now?

BESW

D&D is a pretty lousy tabletop RPG to convert to online play, so I've made some alternate system suggestions.

kalina

11:26

also, biting is awesome

3

well, inflicting pain on men in general

but biting works

BESW

afk a mo

kalina

he's gone off to bite himself

FEichinger

@kalina cringe

BESW

@kalina "It's like kissing, but there's a winner."

Ankit Sharma

@kalina if you are the normal one here then...................................

kalina

11:29

@AnkitSharma WHAT? WHY ARE YOU IN HERE?

@BESW this

FEichinger

@AnkitSharma The sad part is that she really really is the normal one here ...

fredley

@kalina @BESW and @AnkitSharma have always been here, don't you remember?

Ankit Sharma

@kalina don't know. Just searching for active chatroom and got here. I love games but never tried discussing then yet.

kalina

@fredley no, I would remember such a thing

fredley

@kalina Sure?

kalina

11:30

@AnkitSharma game discussions are off topic in the bridge

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina you sure?

kalina

@fredley 100%, I know @AnkitSharma from Movies & TV so I would remember him being here

And @BESW is the last person I overtook on chat activity so I would remember him if he was here

5pike

@AnkitSharma There are 2 rules on the bridge: No game discussions and -fun

kalina

@5pike we ignore the second rule

fredley

@5pike MODS ARE PONIES, POST SLEEP

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kalina

11:32

I wish I could sleep

Ankit Sharma

@fredley yup she is rite. I posted here first time today. But came here few time earlier but as a silent listener.

kalina

I am always right

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina no, in this case you are 'rite'

BESW

@fredley I obey.

kalina

@BESW that's not what I look like when I'm sleeping

fredley

11:33

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina needs more daylight?

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Or a SAD lamp

kalina

Lazers

-1

Q: How do I beat Dracul puzzle #3: Rivalry?

Desktop Dungeons, 3rd puzzle of "Fresh Blood", thanks in advance

desktop-dungeons

Ankit Sharma

So here we have more then one pony lover.

kalina

11:34

@fredley Rainbow Dash is best pony

fredley

@AnkitSharma Everyone loves ponies, apart from a handful that don't

@kalina PINKIE PIE IS BEST PONY

kalina

@fredley even they love ponies secretly

@fredley no Rainbow Dash is best pony

5pike

@kalina Yeah, on a plate.

kalina

@5pike ...

fredley

@kalina They are just closeting their pony love and expressing it as vehement hatred to cover up the fact

BESW

11:35

I'm working on either a FiM mod for Fate Core, or a fully independent FiM RPG engine.

5pike

Horse/Pony meat is wonderful.

kalina

@fredley yes, only somebody embarrassed about their love for ponies would react so negatively to them

@BESW My Little Pony: RNG is Magic?

fredley

@kalina See also

BESW

As much as I love Fate Core, it needs some unusual hacks to remove or redirect the traditional dichotomous win/lose conflict scenario.

Ankit Sharma

I am very neutral to ponies. Not love them but even don't hate them.

kalina

11:37

@fredley saw url, did not click

fredley

@kalina sfw, and excellent

Ankit Sharma

And doesn't even understand most of pony talks

BESW

@kalina I'll probably wind up calling it My Little Psyche: Friendship is a Fragile Barrier Holding Back My Seething Neuroses.

kalina

@fredley flagged as offensive, gets validated because nobody else clicked it either

fredley

BESW

11:39

The problem is that most RPGs have winners and losers in any conflict. A FiM game needs a third option.

kalina

@BESW magic

fredley

BREAKING: PROMINENT PONAPHOBE @BADP CAUGHT IN FIM BINGE SCANDAL

kalina

no, wait, friendship

fredley

@kalina same thing

kalina

no

BESW

11:40

In Fate Core, I think I'd do it by externalizing the cause of the conflict, so that, for example, in one session The trauma of being bullied has character aspects and drives the conflict.

kalina

friendship is that thing where you tolerate others

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley in related schadenfreude gawker.com/…

kalina

magic is that thing where you set fire to others

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Saw that, excellent stuff

BESW

So the session's storyline would be about discovering the cause of the conflict and how to battle it, at which point the characters cooperate to defeat the cause.

kalina

11:42

mmm cake

BESW

But until then, the cause is pitting them against one another, creating issues that distract from the main cause.

@kalina I also have as a game-design goal that the system be, like the show, targeted for the show's primary audience but of high enough quality that parents and older siblings could enjoy it too.

fredley

@kalina ...

kalina

don't ... me

BESW

@GraceNote Hi!

fredley

@kalina I'll ... you all I want

kalina

11:45

@fredley no

fredley

@kalina Just a humble ellipsis, nothing more

kalina

@fredley no

fredley

@kalina yes

kalina

@fredley no

Arperum

Oh god, the local couple is at it again...

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BESW

11:47

You know, about a hundred years ago a lawyer cleared his client on a charge of distributing obscene pamphlets because the naughty bits were obliterated so that the smut was purely in the reader's mind.

He won the case by reciting well-known children's rhymes with bits blanked out.

Jack and Jill went up the hill,
To ...
Jack fell down and broke his ...
And Jill came ... after.

Kevin van der Velden

@BESW and this is how you just flat out WIN at being a lawyer

BESW

A diller, a dollar,
A ten-o-clock ...
Why do you ... so soon?
You used to ... at ten-o-clock,
But now you ... at noon.

Arperum

@BESW Flawless logic.

kalina

it takes a special kind of dirty mind to make filth out of nursery rhymes

BESW

I am a student of white space, visual, textual, and implied.

Arperum

11:52

@kalina I'm assuming you have that special kind of mind?

kalina

@Arperum <redacted>

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum naah, that'd be @FEichinger, right @kalina?

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden <redacted>

speaking of dirty old people, hello @Sterno

Sterno

I'm not dirty.

kalina

@Sterno read the above nursery rhymes and then stop lying

Sterno

11:54

I have to really work to make the Jack & Jill one something dirty.

kalina

so did I, the second one was far too easy though

Sterno

@Lazers Let me guess. Downvotes because "not enough context" or said "Thanks in advance"?

kalina

@Sterno both actually

Sterno

People's downvotes are theirs to do with as they please, but man, some of them are dumb.

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kalina

A 6 word question requires downvotes

Sterno

11:56

Not when it's by a new user and the title literally says everything needed.

fredley

@kalina Or copious upvotes. It depends on the words.

kalina

Saying "Thanks In Advance" also requires downvotes

5pike

@Sterno Downvote for 0 effort put into it

Sterno

@5pike What would you add to that question?

kalina

@fredley I'm a big fan of making questions look like questions rather than demands/statements

5pike

11:57

Context

fredley

@kalina I'm a big fan of making questions misleading

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley I'm a big fan of murder but that was removed :(

kalina

@Sterno "I am having problems completing the third puzzle of Fresh Blood, how can I defeat Dracul?"

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden I thought murder was back?

Sterno

If you've played the game, there is no context needed. There are puzzles. They require pretty much full solutions to solve. You can't say "I got this far, then got stuck" because they don't work like that.

Arperum

11:58

@Sterno WHere exactly he is stuck in the puzzle (if relevant, don't know the game)

kalina

@fredley shame that spelling died with it

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley not the original murder, this one is fake :'(

fredley

@kalina INB4

kalina

@Sterno I thought that we didn't like questions that required knowledge of the game to understand? Context should be provided so that it reads more like a question and less like a demand

I'm not saying write War & Peace

Sterno

No, we don't like questions that require knowledge of the game to know if they should be opened or closed.

kalina

11:59

@Sterno this is basically what I said

fredley

@Sterno "Can I avoid death forever?" sims-3

Sterno

Anyway, whatever, like I said, people can downvote because it's Wednesday. I just wish people would see "New user" and think "Maybe I shouldn't reflexively downvote this because it says "Thanks in advance"

kalina

Votes to close it as unsure what you're asking

@Sterno I didn't, I reflexively downvoted because the user used us like a forum

Sterno

@kalina Unless you're going to a ridiculous extreme with this argument, it's perfectly clear what he's asking. How to solve Dracul Puzzle #3

kalina

@Sterno I was just baiting you

Sterno

12:01

0

Q: How do I solve the Agbaar's Academy Slowing Pt 1 Puzzle?

I keep running about 3 hit points shy of being able to defeat the boss. Eventually I'll probably end up solving this through trial and error, but what are the steps I need to take to defeat this puzzle?

desktop-dungeons

Other than a screenshot, my question is pretty much the same

kalina

@Sterno contains words

Sterno

I gave context, but it is completely unnecessary context.

It actually could serve to confuse the matter.

Context isn't always helpful.

5pike

@Sterno Yeah, I see your point.

For this game, at least.

kalina

That question in the format of the question we're talking about would be: "Desktop Dungeons, 1st puzzle of Agbaar's Academy, thanks in advance"

you have actual words in yours

and a question mark

Sterno

Okay. You're probably right. Downvoting this new user is the best possible action for the site.

kalina

12:03

The question we're talking about is the epitomy of low quality

Sterno

It's really not.

gaming.stackexchange.com/revisions/141870/2

There, now it's 400% better

kalina

@Sterno yes, amazing what putting actual words into the "ask a question" box does, isn't it?

Arperum

@Sterno No downvotes left suddenly.

kalina

@Arperum strange how that happens isn't it

5pike

@Arperum A proper sentence can make a difference.

Sterno

12:09

What particularly frustrates me is that I've seen questions have unnecessary context added and then seen people vote to close based on that context.

Particularly in the case of the word "shopping" or "buy" mentioned, and then people automatically go "shopping rec!"

kalina

@Sterno adding a wall of text is completely different from forming sentences in your question

if you can't even be bothered to write a sentence as part of your question, expect downvotes

Sterno

His title was a perfectly decent sentence. He had a sentence as part of his question.

Technical correctness!

Man, this was lame drama. But it's been so long.

Someone do something awesomely dramatic while I'm getting ready for work.

kalina

that's the actual reason you're even defending somebody who put that little effort into a question, isn't it?

You want an explosion

Sterno

No, not actually.

kalina

Well, you're not going to get one from me

Sterno

12:13

Mostly this is a carryover from that "What's the difference between GTA5 and GTA5 collection" one

Which got harped on because it said "Title says it all"

kalina

I don't even know what you're talking about

Sterno

and a comment was left asking for context

WHEN NO CONTEXT IS NEEDED

kalina

eugh

"Title says all" requires nukes

Sterno

-3

Q: What are the differences between the regular and Collector's Edition of GTA 5?

Title says it all. What are the differences between the regular and Collector's Edition of GTA 5?

grand-theft-auto-5

kalina

I would much rather duplicate the title into the question body than say "Title says all"

Sterno

12:14

@kalina He did both.

kalina

my gripe isn't with short questions, it's with misuse of English

form sentences or you'll get downvotes from me

Sterno

The request in particular for context there just seemed odd to me. What possible context is needed?

kalina

No additional context is required with that question

I frequently flag all of the comments on old questions that say stuff like that

I just flagged all of those comments too, but the question is probably new enough that they'll be rejected

sorry, but... Aren't you friends with google? — Novarg 14 hours ago

stuff like that annoys me though ^

5pike

@kalina Sometimes it's appropriate, though, but in those cases, the question is deleted quickly.

kalina

@5pike It is never appropriate to tell somebody to google it on this site

It goes against the purpose of the site

Sterno

12:19

Plus, it's a dick move.

5pike

Sure it is, but some people are just lazy.

Sterno

Part of what bugs me is that we have edit capabilities. It seems like editing would help new users learn what's desired a lot more than downvoting and moving on would.

kalina

You may think "oh this is simple, it would be easy to find on Google", but the fact somebody is here asking means that they want our help and telling them to Google is basically the same as telling them to fuck off

Sterno

Particularly trivial stuff like this.

kalina

@Sterno I used to spend time editing, then we had a number of annoying new users arrive and a separate group of people complaining about me bumping stuff onto the front page so editing questions now to me is associated with not worth the effort

Sterno

12:21

Complaining about the front page is dumb.

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kalina

You either let me edit, or you complain about it and I cease editing

You don't get to complain about me editing and then complain about people not editing

Sterno

Some stupidly small percentage of users look at the front page, and even then whatever annoying thing people think you're doing only clogs it for a small period of time.

Have I complained about you editing?

kalina

It's ~3 hours on Arqade if you completely destroy the front page

@Sterno I've had enough people complain about me destroying the front page to make me not really want to do it

Sterno

@kalina Oh, okay. I thought you were saying I specifically did that.

Since I'm currently the one complaining about not editing.

gotta go, time to get ready for work

get some drama going

kalina

@Sterno nah, it's not even something unique to Arqade anyway

there are some SE sites that have some real crap posts but if I set about editing I get about 5 in before they start getting rejected with whatever reason they clicked on first because they don't want their precious front page destroying

BESW

12:24

On rpg.se we try not to necro threads for non-new-answer reasons more than about 5/day because our turnover is pretty low, but questions within a week or a month are fair game. Ultimately it's about trying to be a good citizen, and assuming that everyone else is too.

kalina

@BESW I find it more effective to start a group effort to work through everything in one sitting

no matter how many posts it is

BESW

Edits that make the site better should be made and welcomed, but if the "welcomed" part doesn't come along, well. I didn't make the edit for the praise.

kalina

so that (a) it gets done, and (b) the front page can reset once you're finished

Sure you end up with a bunch of old stuff on the front page for a few days

but get over it

Do 1000 edits in a day if your site needs 1000 edits

doing 5 at a time guarantees you'll never finish the task

BESW

Aye, it's definitely a per-site thing based on thread turnover and a number of other issues. The exact strategies don't always transfer, and they're never set in stone.

Arperum

@BESW Another thing that works in getting any site cleaned up is let the @kalina loose.

Things get done at an alarmingly fast rate.

BESW

12:27

rpg.se has some very good numbers in terms of citizen participation and good faith, so we have a noticeably different atmosphere and set of procedures compared to many other SEs.

You've got almost 10 times as many questions per day, and only 6% lower on your answered percentages. That's pretty durn good.

kalina

@BESW we're also an extremely clean site, very few redundant tags, all of our review queues are constantly at 0

BESW

Aye, ditto.

I think our current ongoing tag issue is whether there's something less presumptive than problem-player and problem-gm which would still be as useful.

Kevin van der Velden

@BESW drama-player and drama-gm perhaps? :)

BESW

Heh.

The presumption, really, is where the problem lies.

Often we get questions which are really just someone asking us to take their side in some social-contract miscommunication in which none are blameless.

Because really, a good 2/3 of the problems which aren't specifically based on mechanical confusion come from the members of the group failing to realize they were all playing a slightly different kind of game until it blows up in their faces.

badp

@fredley ponAphobe? really?

fredley

12:39

@badp Sounds better

Kevin van der Velden

@badp so you're not afraid of "pon"s?

fredley

Ponyphobe or Ponifobe doesn't have the same ring

badp

@fredley I don't think it means what you think it means

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden \o/______PON__PON____PONPON__PON______PON_______

BESW

ponaphobia, (n): fear of toki pona, a constructed minimal language.

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fredley

12:40

@BESW glorious

BESW

See also: pwnaphobia, fear of losing a video game.

fredley

Oh you tease

badp

@BESW "dark teenage poetry" does sound pretty bad.

Arperum

@fredley Is it hidden behind some javascript?

5pike

@BESW Symptoms: bringing other peoples sexual orientation into question, uncontrollable tantrums, rage-quitting, fictional intercourse with other players mothers.

fredley

12:46

@Arperum Yarp

SECURITY.JS

Arperum

@fredley display:none; display:block nonsense? or ajaxcalls?

5pike

@fredley does it work without js?

fredley

@Arperum ajax

@5pike No

Amex security is a joke

persistent login

5pike

@fredley Oh, HAHAHAHA

fredley

whole password used (not individual digits)

Arperum

12:49

@fredley That's something at least. The numbers are spread over multiple calls, still hackable, just more annyoing.

fredley

And you could, if you accessed my account, add yourself to my account and get a card with your name on sent in the mail

10/10

RedRiderX

@fredley Oh wow.

@fredley would hack again

Arperum

@fredley As a sidenote: I'm assuming this is the pin you use for your card? Shouldn't that be kind of inaccessible to everyone, including the DBA/programmers (read some kind of hash or something?).

FAE

@BESW Friend of mine could speak this.

BESW

@FAE V. cool.

TZHX

12:57

well, the pin is supposed to be stored on the card. lots of digital banking things have a separate pin for logging into them.

Mad Scientist

@Arperum If there are only a thousand or ten thousand possible values, hashing doesn't really offer much protection

fredley

@Arperum Yeah, I did have to answer some security questions to access it

@MadScientist How PINs are stored is interesting

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