The Bridge

Wipqozn

19:00

@Coronus We've had something like that happen before, and the mods have taken action.

Sterno

In a way, this is the same speech I gave @GnomeSlice about job applications. If you don't try, you get the same outcome as trying and failing. If you don't try to help a new user acclimate, you get the same outcome as trying and failing. All that changes is how much work you put in. And if certain people don't want to put in the work because it's not worth their time, fine! But then it's better to stay silent and just cast your vote than to jump all over the guy.

@fbueckert And I don't mean you.

@fbueckert Again, I think your comment was fine. A little blunter than I'd do, but fine.

fbueckert

@Sterno I'm working on softening the bluntness.

Wipqozn

@fbueckert Cover yourself in kittens.

Kittens are really soft.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn I'm getting one!

Not for another month or so, but will have one soon!

Wipqozn

@fbueckert I know, and that's good, because all the cool kids have kittens.

Sterno

19:02

@fbueckert Honestly, the main thing I'd have changed in your first comment is explaining explicitly what made it appear to be spam, and probably not used the word spam and instead used "advertisement"

Coronus

@Wipqozn I swear mine is all claws.

Sterno

But again, your comment as is wasn't really a problem, and he did overreact to it

It's the pile-on thing, which we see over and over and over again, which is a problem.

Wipqozn

Also, we should all listen to @Sterno because he's old and therefore wise.

Sterno

Hell, earlier today 3 or 4 people upvoted a comment calling someone an asshole

Wipqozn

@Sterno I think this is our single biggest problem.

I don't think it's always a case of malice. I think there are a lot of time when it's just a bunch of people all trying to help.

But when 4 pepole all jump in trying to help, and say the same thing, it's really overwhelming.

tugs

19:04

@Wipqozn Even more so when they say different things

Wipqozn

Like I said above, I've done that before. I'll be thinking "These people are explaining it wrong! Let me try!"

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Someone got suspended for that.

Wipqozn

@Sterno I really, really hope people didn't bother reading the whole comment and that's why the upvoted it.

I hope.

fbueckert

@Sterno Yeah, I yelled at him for that.

GnomeSlice

Oh you weren't talking about the chat one

@fbueckert That's not your job.

Wipqozn

19:06

@GnomeSlice Part of developing a community which is friendly is telling people to "Don't be rude"

Fluttershy

prepares popcorn

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn There's difference between doing that and yelling at someone...

Fluttershy

Who got yelled at?

Is it possible to yell at someone in a comment?

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy No one. @fbueckert just uses yell a lot.

The user that got "yelled" at would be someone who called a new user an asshole for pirating minecraft.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn I use many words interchangeably.

Fluttershy

19:07

What was the comment, anyway? I totally missed it.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy It's been edited, and the question deleted.

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy It was a perfectly fine comment telling someone we don't allow pirates with "Asshole" thrown at the end

Fluttershy

@Wipqozn Aaah. Okay.

Wipqozn

Making it a terrible comment

Fluttershy

As for the whole "it's not your job" thing, I disagree. It is absolutely the job of the community to police the community.

Wipqozn

19:09

@Fluttershy Of course it is.

Lazers

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Q: How to increase survivability in battle?

Some fights in this game can be difficult, frustrating, or at least tedious. Sometimes, it can be difficult to know what the game wants you to do in some battles. How can you know how to approach each enemy/encounter?

the-wonderful-101

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy Not to shout at people.

Fluttershy

@GnomeSlice I didn't see the comment, but, based on my experience with internet chats, it is quite tricky to actually shout at people.

GnomeSlice

I can shout at you right now if you want.

"What the HELL were you thinking WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT! It's WRONG."

Coronus

@GnomeSlice I can't hear you. Type louder.

GnomeSlice

19:15

Whatever.

Lazers

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Q: Running all expansions in AOE 3 from a single exe

I am unable to play any campaign or to load any home city from WARCHIEFS in ASIAN DYNASTIES and vice-versa . Main AOE 3 exe is also unable to load any of the two expansions. both expansions are working fine if I run them with their exe's . Is there any way to play them from a single exe ? Is i...

age-of-empires-3

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Except that's not what happened at all. As was already said frank just uses the word yell to mean he told someone something they did was wrong. He doesn't always use it to mean "I literally yelled at this person".

It's like when you say something is literally worse than hitler. You're not being literal.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Well, then he shouldn't say 'yelled'. It makes it sound like you think you're dealing with children.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn I rarely, if ever, get mad. When I do, I'm more of the, "Tear a strip off of you with logic" than just incoherent rage type of guy.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I didn't get that impression at all.

GnomeSlice

19:18

@Wipqozn I did.

Wipqozn

@fbueckert Yes, despite what your grumpy pony suggests you're actually a really laid back guy.

Sterno

@Wipqozn There was an unnecessary bit about the asker feeling "entitled" too, but yeah, mainly it was the asshole at the end

Wipqozn

@Sterno Ah, right. The asshole thing was what mostly stood out, hence what I remembered.

Powerlord

What the bacon do you guys think you're doing?!

Sterno

I like bacon, but disagree with the expression "What the bacon"

Fluttershy

19:19

@Wipqozn A really laid-back, grumpy guy.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy I'm not actually that grumpy. :P

As you know full well.

tugs

@Sterno Yes it does seem to be taking the bacon's name in vain

Coronus

@Sterno It's @Powerlord. I think we make an exception for him. Everything's bacon.

tugs

@Coronus Is canadian bacon / back bacon bacon?

Coronus

So today, most of the conversation has been about bacon and spam.

GnomeSlice

19:25

►

This game is great.

Anyone who enjoys the standard RPG battle system type stuff, play it.

Sterno

@tugs Anything with the word "Canadian" in the front can be assumed to be an inferior version of whatever it is describing.

GnomeSlice

Also, have any of you heard of Bigger Boat?

Coronus

@GnomeSlice Something bothers me about the attack animations.

GnomeSlice

@Coronus Yeah, they're only a single frame. It annoyed me at first too.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Our trees are second to none.

ManishEarth

19:29

Oy, flags=dramaz, don't flag stuff like that

GnomeSlice

@ManishEarth Like what?

The Canadian thing?

ManishEarth

yep

O_0

GnomeSlice

I've been suspended for saying stuff about Korea lol

Sterno

Did I get flagged? I wasn't even around to enjoy it.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Someone flagged your Canadian comment.

GnomeSlice

19:30

@Sterno Yes, you did. Your thing about Canadia.

I invalidated it.

ManishEarth

@Sterno Maybe next time. Or I can flag you if you want to relive it, but my flags are too heavy

Sterno

I apologize if someone was offended by my comment. Canada is awesome and the best place in the world and everything that comes from there is magical.

Wipqozn

@Sterno I doubt anyone was offended by your comment, but thanks!

Sterno

But seriously, if it bugged you, let me know and I'll stop. I kind of assume someone was flag trolling though.

Wipqozn

@Sterno As do I.

GnomeSlice

19:32

@Sterno Somebody in here must hate racial generalizations. I was suspended for saying that Koreans eat dogs.

Which turned out to be incorrect so I just look dumb now.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice I don't know how to describe to you that it's different, but it's different.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Well, it shouldn't be.

Sterno

Maybe not.

GnomeSlice

I meant Vietnam anyway.

And it was a joke.

Why is it even a bad thing that some countries eat dogs

Sterno

"It was a joke" is never a solid defense.

Lazers

19:33

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Q: Is there a way get a fighter jet on demand?

I ask the question because it seems like I saw someone do this. I was in a helicopter and picked a fight with someone on the ground (tried to drop a car on him). Within a few moments a fighter jet appeared over the garage he was hiding in. It proceeded to blow me out of the sky (no problem wit...

gta-online

tugs

Uhhh wow

ManishEarth

@Lazers cheat codes!

GnomeSlice

That's like saying Canada has snow. Does that make us a bad country

Jason Berkan

@GnomeSlice Arguably.

GnomeSlice

No culture is better than another one

Sterno

19:34

It's not the same, but again, I don't know how to describe this difference to you.

GnomeSlice

Who gives a shit if the vietnamese want to eat their dogs

Not me

Oh, Korea DOES do it.

So I was right.

Wipqozn

It's the difference between playful banter between friends and making fun of the new guy.

Sterno

I also think we should just avoid this conversation before very real and legitimate flags end up getting raised, because it is very hard to discuss in a polite, safe way

tugs

Ok, so Canada being multicultural means that talking about canadians can not be construed as racist. This is not the case in Korea, Vietnam, China, or any other Asian country

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Why? There is nothing racist about discussion about what foods certain countries eat...

Canada eats bear

Is that going to get flagged

You guys are incomprehensible.

Sterno

19:36

@GnomeSlice I'm not even going to try to touch if that's right or wrong. It's irrelevant. The point is it's a topic that is quite likely to be seen as such by some, and thus generate flags, which will then be responded to by others who think it is.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Well those people would be wrong. =[

Sterno

Long story short, who cares if you're right or wrong, so long as you understand what sorts of things the public majority considers right or wrong? That's what matters when you're talking about getting flagged/suspended

tugs

Add onto that the fact that you happily mix up one asian country for another, and it really does start to take a distinct racist tone.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Because the public majority is wrong about a lot of things!

@tugs Ignorance != racism

Sterno

@GnomeSlice If you want to be a martyr who proves his points with suspensions, I won't stop you.

GnomeSlice

19:37

@Sterno Nooooo =[

tugs

@GnomeSlice but they often go together

Tim Stone

@Sterno I was anticipating this conversation coming up the second the second that flag was cast and I had the same thought.

GnomeSlice

Fine.

Wipqozn

@TimStone As was I.

GnomeSlice

►

^ Bullet hell / shmup fans should play this ^

Tim Stone

19:38

@Wipqozn We can see the future, I guess this makes us awesome.

GnomeSlice

CC @GraceNote

Wipqozn

@TimStone It does.

Sterno

The shortest way I can think of to describe it is that jokingly saying "You suck", to a crowd you are familiar with and who will take it in jest, is much different than saying "You suck <because of specific thing that many people consider a negative quality>", particularly when said person or group you're targeting is not present and not in a position to receive it as a jest.

GnomeSlice

...Who considers eating dog a negative quality?

tugs

@GnomeSlice Many many people

GnomeSlice

19:43

@tugs What, why?

Sterno

I can tell @Wipqozn he sucks, generically, because he knows I'm joking. If I tell @somefatguy "Dude, you're fat and ugly" it's not okay, even if I say it "as a joke", because it's claiming some specific negative qualities. There could be an exception though. If @handsomedude posts a picture of rocking his 6 pack abs on a beach and I respond with "Woah, you're fat and ugly", it's probably going to be okay because it's obvious the joke is about how my comment is directly contrasting reality.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice No you weren't. Eating dogs is illegal in Korea. The law isn't strictly enforced, but it is a law. There is also a growing movement to make the enforcement the law more strict. Additionally they don't eat "all dogs", they only eat two very specific breeds which are raised only for food consumption and seperate from the breeds raised for pets.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn I dunno I just read someone they make soup out of it.

tugs

@GnomeSlice Some animals like dogs and horses are put in a different class because people get attached to them differently.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Right, but any place something occurs you can exagerrate it and turn it into a joke.

We do that with each other...

Wipqozn

19:45

@GnomeSlice I'm not replying to your joke, I'm replying to you saying "I was right".

Sterno

Even saying positive things can be considered offensive and racist, too. It really doesn't matter if you understand why certain things are good or bad and agree. It just matters that, when you do make what others consider a mistake, you learn from it and out of respect for them don't repeat it.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno I guess.

Just a sec

Sterno

I mean, you can argue all day about how what you say isn't really offensive, but the person(s) who find it offensive aren't going to be won over. You're just going to annoy them more. Being "right" isn't really worth the cost. Unless you're specifically trying to antagonize those people.

GnomeSlice

So... is there anything else I should be worried about making light of?

Coronus

@GnomeSlice You would joke about Steam??

Sterno

19:48

@GnomeSlice Heh. I like Steam on that list

GnomeSlice

Hail Gaben!

;_;

Sterno

I'm pretty sure we're allowed to make fun of France.

FEichinger

@Sterno Only when @kalina isn't around.

Wipqozn

@Sterno You are. They destroyed my army and took two my provinces.

Sterno

Let's check with @Wipqozn. Was that France flag validated?

GnomeSlice

19:49

Does everything else look correct on there?

Wipqozn

They're the worst.

@Sterno No.

Sterno

Nevermind. I guess we can't make fun of France.

GnomeSlice

Also sorry about my writing I have dysgraphia

Wipqozn

@Sterno I thought you said invalid

GnomeSlice

I should add portal to the not okay side

Sterno

19:50

Let's make fun of one country a day and flag it in the interests of Science™

FEichinger

Also, @GnomeSlice, there's no such thing as a definitive list of things you can or cannot joke/whatnot about. The point is that you need to get a feel for the crowd before making jokes that are on the brink of being offensive.

And if the crowd is sensitive to a topic, just friggin drop it.

GnomeSlice

@FEichinger Obviously that hasn't been working for me

Sterno

@Wipqozn You're right, my bad

Powerlord

@Sterno Today should be make fun of the United States day.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice If you need to keep a list in order to know when and when not to make generalizations for jokes then maybe you should just avoid making them all together. I'm sure you don't like being suspended.

Sterno

19:51

@Powerlord I think that was yesterday.

Powerlord

@Sterno No, that was the entire month up through yesterday. :D

Jason Berkan

@Powerlord Didn't you kind of, sort of, get your government back?

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn No, that's not fair to me.

Sterno

@JasonBerkan Return to sender

Wipqozn

and rather then thinking "jeez, I hope this one isn't offensive!" you should just save yourself the trouble and not bother.

Powerlord

19:51

@JasonBerkan For a few months, yeah.

GnomeSlice

I'm going to try keeping a list.

FEichinger

@GnomeSlice This has nothing to do with fairness.

Nothing at all.

GnomeSlice

@FEichinger Okay.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice I'm sure there are ways to say something about everything on the "Okay" side which would be offensive.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Men are big and dumb and violent

waits for flags

Women are stupid and shouldn't have jobs

...huh

Sterno

19:54

@GnomeSlice It's also a lot safer to make fun of a group that includes you. This is why Chris Rock can get away with standup that a white guy could not.

and vice versa

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Because you know what it's like to be a member of that group?

Sterno

@GnomeSlice Maybe? I don't know. It's just the way it is. The same way I can say "Man, I'm super fat from all these cheeseburgers" and it's okay, but if you say it to me, you're an asshole.

Okay, not the same way. But that's another example.

GnomeSlice

So it's an extension of self-deprecation?

Wipqozn

@Sterno You are ans as- oh wait, no.. bad idea..

GnomeSlice

I have 'yourself' on the okay side of the list

Sterno

19:56

Seriously though dude, don't tell me you don't at least understand this is the way the world works, even if you don't understand why

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Careful, I got banned for saying that earlier

FEichinger

@Sterno Man, you're super fat from all these cheeseburgers.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno I am shut in

Sterno

@FEichinger That's because they're made out of bacon and hot dogs.

FEichinger

@Sterno Lemme guess, they're also turtle-shaped?

Sterno

19:57

Turtles are delicious.

Wipqozn

@Sterno It's true. We are.

FEichinger

With the right timing and a feel for the people you're talking to, anything can be visibly in jest. You still have to deal with the fact that there might be people reacting negatively to it, that's the way it is, but you get a lot less flags against you than regularly misplaced and blatantly obvious out-of-line messages.

Sterno

Context matters.

FEichinger

If you repeatedly get flags against you because a multitude of people reacts negatively, then that's the point at which you should rethink how you send. You cannot change how other people receive, so it's up to you to avoid the problems.

Sterno

GnomeSlice

20:04

Clearly the solution is to just avoid everybody else.

Although I don't have these problems anywhere else online.

FEichinger

There's also something to be said for manning the hell up and accepting that people will flag what they find offensive and you just have to deal with it, but that's a longer discussion I'm not awake enough to get into.

GnomeSlice

@FEichinger Really, because I get shouted at when I flag what I find offensive.

Namely, insults.

fbueckert

No bacon for lunch!

I had a sub instead!

Wipqozn

Thanks for reminding me I'm hungry. You're the worst.

Now I want a sub.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice Well, sometimes people are probably just being dicks to you then. Other times, they might think you're being hypocritical because they believe you were doing just as much insulting.

Trent Hawkins

20:06

@fbueckert not even bacon on the sub?

fbueckert

@TrentHawkins Nope

Sterno

@fbueckert You can put bacon right on the sub.

fbueckert

@Sterno I didn't want bacon.

Sterno

@fbueckert gasps clutches heart

Trent Hawkins

@fbueckert insanity

Sterno

20:07

I don't know how to do an emoticon shocked face

Yuki

¯(°_o)/¯

Sterno

@Yuki that seems like throwing one's hands up in exasperation

FEichinger

Flags are also anonymous, so if people specifically yell at you, you've already painted the target on yourself in one way or another during the discussion about the flag. If it's just the usual "Stop teh stupid flags!", so many flags get that. Heck, a lot of stuff I've flagged had that result. So what.

Yuki

ಠ▃ಠ

Coronus

@Yuki That sums up the horror.

Sterno

20:09

Maybe °o°

Jason Berkan

@Sterno I have to Google half the emoticons that people use, just to figure out what emotion they are trying to express.

Yuki

﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿

FEichinger

@Sterno That ... looks like something else.

Sterno

@FEichinger Hrm. You are right.

Adi

hehe

Jason Berkan

20:10

@FEichinger A front view of the Enterprise?

Sterno

It's true. It's a rare flag that doesn't have someone saying it's a stupid flag. In fact, if something you say gets flagged and no one sides with you that it's dumb, think really hard about what you did.

Yuki

@JasonBerkan More like bird's eye view, I think.

FEichinger

@Yuki Nope, front, if at all. Cross-section, even.

Yuki

@FEichinger Clearly, the Enterprise is at least at eye-level with the bird... attempts to pass off obvious fail

FEichinger

@JasonBerkan Could be. But then again, the nacelles are a bit too high for most of them.

Jason Berkan

20:14

@FEichinger Not the original, but I think everyone here is too young to remember that show.

Wipqozn

@JasonBerkan Except @Sternold.

Trent Hawkins

@JasonBerkan I remember it. I hate the new remastered version with cgi effects.

Wipqozn

That reminds me, I finished my rewatch of DS9 today. I love that series. My favourite trek.

FEichinger

@JasonBerkan Hmm ... now that you mention it, you're right. I never got the impression that they were that far up on the Constitution.

Wipqozn

I skipped a couple episodes that I'm going to go back and watch, but after that I think I'll move on to breaking bad. People keep saying it's awesome.

Jason Berkan

20:16

@Wipqozn If I don't start Breaking Bad soon, my brother in law is going to freak out. However, Brotherhood came out on Netflix, so I've been working my way through it again.

Wipqozn

@JasonBerkan I should watch Brotherhood as well.

I prefer the original manga storyline to that of the first anime.

Especially the ending.

The ending of the first anime was so, so sad.

@JasonBerkan Did brotherhood get an english dub?

> On February 13, 2010, the English dub of the series premiered on Cartoon Network and ended on September 25, 2011

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn Yup. Same voice actors as the first anime (I think - the Elrics are definitely the same).

Wipqozn

Yup. I hope it was as good as th efirst dub.

The dub of the first anime was really, really good.

Which was nice, because anime dubs are always such hit and miss.

Lazers

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Q: Does this method count as planting?

In Animal Crossing: New Leaf, you can get the Backyard Gardener badge by planting 100 plants/flowers. There are two ways to drop a flower to the ground: by dragging the flower icon to the floor, and by touching the flower icon and selecting plant. Does this second method count as planting, or do ...