The Bridge

fredley

16:00

@GnomeSlice I didn't know there was a size limit.

GnomeSlice

@fredley Well if I try and do it through chat it just fails like immediately

fredley

@GnomeSlice Try the site proper.

I've certainly had some massive ones from there

GnomeSlice

No.

fredley

@GnomeSlice NO U

kalina

my favourite thing in the world is heating up blutak and then throwing balls of it at stuff so it sticks

unfortunately it means that there are balls of blutak everywhere

fredley

16:01

@kalina Your favourite thing in the world

kalina

you have no idea how much enjoyment I get out of it

GnomeSlice

My internet has suddenly stopped working

Sterno

My favorite thing is yelling at people for putting a "u" in favorite.

kalina

no it hasn't

GnomeSlice

No download progress

kalina

16:02

@Sterno you misspelt it

has a U in it

between O and R

fredley

@Sterno Sternou

Skullomania

why do people like minecraft

i seriously dont get it

kalina

@Skullomania they were deprived of sunlight as children

fredley

@Skullomania It's a creative game

Skullomania

lol

fredley

16:03

@kalina Says you, Northerner

Jason Berkan

@Skullomania Freeform building with blocks.

GnomeSlice

@Skullomania I used to play it a lot. I liked playing with other people and seeing what they built.

fredley

@Skullomania Infinite lego set with extra coolness

kalina

@fredley I'll have you know that when I was in London yesterday it did nothing but rain

Mad Scientist

@Skullomania I don't play it, but the explanation that I've seen that I can understand is that it is virtual LEGO.

GnomeSlice

16:03

Haven't played it in a long time though

fredley

I haven't played Minecraft in months :(

Sterno

@kalina My narrow selections from the internet show that I'm right and you're wrong.

GnomeSlice

@fredley You should try Sky Nations

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley I wonder if I've filled up a DSU yet on the stackexchange server ^o)

kalina

@Sterno NEVER!

fredley

16:04

@GnomeSlice Looks just like Minecraft

Sterno

"America is alw" autocompletes on google to "America is always right"

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Hah, I lost interest after the first server reset

GnomeSlice

@fredley Looks like it, sure. But it's not. It's definitely pretty similar. But you build ships instead of buildings.

Sterno

Followed, of course, by "America is always at war"

GnomeSlice

I mean you could probably build buildings too

kalina

16:04

@Sterno tell me, how is your government at the moment?

fredley

I'd already done pretty much anything in FTB (at that time) so had little interest in repeating it

Sterno

@kalina Ridiculous, naturally.

Although that's a perpetual state.

Zero Stack

@kalina lololol having a hissy fit with each other.

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina the goverment currently cannot answer your request. Please try faxing your question again when the furlough is over

Skullomania

heh...it is kinda like lego's!

fredley

16:05

@Sterno Nice of them to give everyone a holiday

Holidays are nice

kalina

unpaid holiday

OrigamiRobot

What should I eat for lunch?

kalina

not so nice

GnomeSlice

isup.me/TheUSGovernment

Kevin van der Velden

@OrigamiRobot bacon

kalina

16:05

@OrigamiRobot sloth

fredley

@Skullomania Lego. There is no s in lego. And certainly no apostrophe.

Skullomania

any WoW players

kalina

@OrigamiRobot still hungry?

OrigamiRobot

Yes

kalina

@Skullomania NOTHEREARENOWOWPLAYERSHERESTOP

fredley

16:06

@OrigamiRobot yourself

Zero Stack

@fredley gross

fredley

@Skullomania WoW players live in another chat room

Kevin van der Velden

@Skullomania thankfully no

kalina

that chat room is called /dev/null

Kevin van der Velden

They were all burned to bacon by @kalina

Skullomania

16:06

aww dont hate wow

Kevin van der Velden

... anyone know what the DOS equivalent of cat is? -,-

OrigamiRobot

Any other ideas?

Kevin van der Velden

@OrigamiRobot skitles

Skullomania

its repetitive but as gamers we all hate we didnt come up with the idea

OrigamiRobot

The idea of what?

Kevin van der Velden

16:08

@Skullomania duh buh what are you talking about? Still wow? Cause wow was not the first MMO by any stretch of the imagination

fbueckert

@Skullomania Yes, hate WoW.

It's stupid.

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden type

Skullomania

i didnt say it was the first

i just said it was fun

OrigamiRobot

We didn't come up with the idea of fun?

Zero Stack

was. Back in vanilla. :P

Skullomania

16:09

@fbueckert why stupid

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden dog

GnomeSlice

You know what else is fun?

5

fbueckert

@Skullomania Because they haven't done anything new with it since it came out. It's the same old grind, over and over and over.

Skullomania

@gnomeSlice monopoly? guild wars and streetfighter

Kevin van der Velden

@fbueckert no no no, you're completely wrong. They have different letters (that nobody reads) and different numbers (that are slightly higher)!

Skullomania

16:10

@fbueckert agreed

i get tired of the leveling myself

2

Ullallulloo

@MichaelDun Is Ring Runners good?

GnomeSlice

@Ullallulloo I haven't played it yet, but I've heard it's quite good, yeah

$1 too, can't really beat that

Turned out to be a bigger download than I was expecting

Actually, maybe I'm thinking of something else.

188 MB on Desura

Cool.

Skullomania

there was a game called drakenseng that I thought to be quite amusing.

tombull89

@GnomeSlice Could be interesting for the school's lunchtime games club. is it steam-based or stand-alone exe?

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Steam, unfortunately. You can get it on consoles too though. It also has no local multiplayer.

@tombull89 If you're looking for a good racing game you can get DRM-Free, and with network play, check out Gas Guzzlers: Combat Carnage

They took the game down off their site when the new one came out (the new one is steam locked) but you can still get it on Desura. DRM-Free.

Really great game.

Grab a copy and you can give it to everybody in your games group and play together

@tombull89 What kind of games do you guys play?

tombull89

16:16

@GnomeSlice Nice one, thanks. Been digging though the list of Wikipedia free games and having a look at what's on there.

GnomeSlice

I also recommend Megabyte Punch. It's basically got the gameplay of Super Smash Brothers. Local MP is awesome.

@tombull89 Here's a great thread from a guy I know with a ton of free games in it: indiegamestand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=565

Personally I recommend Nitronic Rush

Blem

Hello people, what are we not talking about today?

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 And Toribash

kalina

cake

Kevin van der Velden

@Blem wow

tombull89

16:19

@GnomeSlice Indeed - that came up in PC Gamer's List of free PC games. Downloaded it, played it, looks and sounds awesome but won't run on these machines.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Ah man...

OrigamiRobot

I still need food

Sterno

@fbueckert Sorry for editing my comment 400 times. Hopefully it didn't reping you too much

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Are you looking for multiplayer stuff, specifically?

Blem

@KevinvanderVelden ok, anyone got a spare Hearthstone beta key i can have?

fbueckert

16:20

@Sterno Meh.

tombull89

@GnomeSlice ideally, yes.

StrixVaria

@ZeroStack I'm pretty sure it died when this ladder went on sale.

Sterno

@fbueckert Basically I agree with you. I wish people would do it too. There's just nothing we can do about it when they don't.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Definitely check out Megabyte Punch. Also Quadsmash. The PC port had promised online play but it looks like it's been abandoned. Still though, that game is some of the best local MP you can buy.

fbueckert

I'm still of the opinion that the whole point of Meta is to discuss and formulate policy. If you want to go against it, at the bloody least provide a dissenting argument.

OrigamiRobot

16:21

@StrixVaria Fuck yes ladders!

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Aquadelic GT

tombull89

@GnomeSlice Previous games included Unreal Tourament 2004 (but that got kicked to the kerb when it was a 16-rated game), Halo Custom Edition (ditto) and Armagatron Advanced.

Sterno

@fbueckert I think that is the best possible option. However, unless you can propose a consequence of someone not doing so, the discussion is pointless.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Rooks Keep (which you should all upvote on steam greenlight)

fbueckert

@Sterno Consequence is their actions are reversed.

Sterno

16:22

Right now the option is only, really "Argue with them every time they do it"

badp

@Blem today's taboo topic is watching live streams of the Lithuanian curling championship.

GnomeSlice

Rooks Keep is basically unreal tournament with swords.

fbueckert

Which is exactly what happened on the question.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 If you are interested in FPS games I can give you some free recommendations.

Blem

@badp male or female?

Sterno

16:23

@fbueckert I'm unclear what you mean. You mean they reopen, and 5 more people close, thus undoing their action? that's not really the sort of consequence I mean.

badp

@Blem Both.

Powerlord

►

(Sorry, I had to)

Sterno

that's just people voting it out

fbueckert

@Sterno All it does is cause more work.

Sterno

I agree. it's silly.

GnomeSlice

16:24

@tombull89 Xonotic, Warsow, Guns and Robots

badp

I think tomorrow's about sculpting live action figures of Pingu.

GnomeSlice

G&R is third person, but still

haven't tried it yet but it looks sweet

@tombull89 Also Gear Up. Really cool game. Free to play as well.

tombull89

Xonotic looks promising.

Sterno

The reality is that there are a lot of 3k+ users who don't bother to read meta and probably never will.

fbueckert

@Sterno Without at least a dissenting viewpoint, that's all that's going to keep happening.

Until everyone runs out of votes.

And that's a silly way to run a site.

GnomeSlice

16:25

@tombull89 Metal Drift

Sterno

Even with the dissenting viewpoint posted, it doesn't fix the problem.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 It's a lot like Unreal Tournament

Powerlord

Is Xonotic what Nexuiz turned into after some company bastardized Nexuiz and turned it into a commercial property?

Sterno

@fbueckert This was my opinion when I dealt with that whole "game completion time" thing, thought I had community consensus, and got voted into oblivion when it came to actual close/reopen votes.

My opinion's evolved a bit since then.

GnomeSlice

@Powerlord No, Xonotic is old.

fbueckert

16:26

@Sterno No, but at least it gives something for the community to judge on it's merits.

tombull89

Too bad most need steam :(

Sterno

Mainly, the realization that without mods enforcing every meta decision, which isn't going to happen, you just sort of have to suck it up and accept that it's an imperfect system.

fbueckert

Which can then help solidify the stance the community wants.

Powerlord

> Xonotic is a direct successor of the Nexuiz project

and it can load Nexuiz maps

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 The only one of those that needs steam is Metal Drift, and it might have a non-steam version too

@Powerlord I stand corrected

Sterno

16:27

My goal in meta now is to convince people who can cast/reopen votes that they should either do it the way I want, or abstain. And I am likewise convinced by people. But tempered with that is the reality that some people are playing by different rules, and there's nothing I can do about it.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Tank Universal

►

@tombull89 Also Running with Rifles. The demo lets you play online, I'm pretty sure.

Also waaaa it got greenlit?

SICK

fbueckert

@Sterno Most of my problem is Galactic being all passive aggressive about it. Don't agree? That's fine, but specifically voting against it without even saying anything about it is stupid.

tombull89

@GnomeSlice cheers, I'll have a look at that lot later this evening.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Hah, no problem. If there's one thing I can do it's spew games at people.

tombull89

@GnomeSlice I am very pleased to see a "spritual sequal" to Nitronic Rush being developed, that's for sure.

Sterno

16:31

@GnomeSlice I just saw this starred, was really hoping it would link to Skydrift, and was not disappointed!

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 I backed it on Kickstarter.

Can't wait.

@Sterno You should get it and play it

tombull89

Only thing I've backed on Kickstarter was the Minecraft: A Story of Mojang documentary.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice I actually just loaded up the steam page for it. But it's $9.99. I'll add it to the wishlist for a sale.

tombull89

Oh an the Ouya but my payment was rejected for some unknown reason.

fbueckert

@Sterno Another game to buy and never play? :P

Wipqozn

16:32

@Sterno Good idea. You need to save money when you buys games to never play them/

GnomeSlice

@Sterno I might have a humble key for you

Wipqozn

Zeus damn it frank, you beat me to the joke by a few seconds!

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 I was really intersted in OUYA before, but after hearing all the stuff I'm much more excited for the PlayJam GameStick now.

StrixVaria

I think I got Skydrift for $3-$4 during a Steam Sale. That's a good price point for it. $10 is a bit much.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn You're a turtle.

I'm supposed to be faster than you.

Sterno

16:33

@fbueckert I'd play it at least once so I could get a screenshot to link as a joke or something

Wipqozn

@fbueckert That's not my fault!

fbueckert

@Wipqozn ...Actually, it totally is.

Sterno

It's possible I'd even like it, and then play as much as 2 hours!

Wipqozn

@fbueckert I was born this way.

@Sterno Let's not talk crazy now.

Sterno

I got almost 2 hours of Shadow Warrior in!

GnomeSlice

16:34

►

Sterno

that was driven almost entirely by him singing "You've got the touch, you've got the power!" in the first few minutes

tombull89

I was slightly interested in the vrAse but I don't think my phone (even with a 5" screen) would be big enough - kickstarter.com/projects/2041280918/…

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 V-arse

tombull89

@GnomeSlice I mis-read the name too.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Are you familiar with the GameStick?

Sterno

16:37

@Wipqozn I don't think I'm allowed to hit floor 17 until I do the bonus dungeon level, but the lightning-kills-your-whole-party-on-turn-1 boss is a problem. I can throw up volt wall the first turn and we survive, but he spams that thing randomly so I pretty much need to make my protector do nothing but spam volt wall every turn just in case. This is blocking my main dungeon progress. It's the worst. And it's your fault, somehow.

tombull89

@GnomeSlice android-powered console, I gather?

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Yeah. Check out the video I just posted

Wipqozn

@Sterno It is my fault you bought the game, and so therefore it's my fault you're know facing this boss that is giving you trouble.

Sterno

@Wipqozn Indeed

Krazer

@Wipqozn that doesn't mean you can't upgrade

Sterno

16:38

Actually, I'll probably get him next time I try. My problem is that I get tired of spamming Volt Wall, do something else, and die.

StrixVaria

@Sterno What game?

Wipqozn

@Krazer I know what you guys can buy me for Christmas!

GnomeSlice

Well, poo.

tombull89

@GnomeSlice impressive. controller looks an odd shape though.

Krazer

@GnomeSlice job requirements can be flexible

Wipqozn

16:40

@GnomeSlice Job requirements always ask for the ideal position.

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 All of the commentary on the controller has been extremely positive, which is a good sign.

Wipqozn

It doesn't mean they won't hire someone else.

Sterno

@StrixVaria Etrian Odyssey Untold: Millennium Girl

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice In the end there's no harm in applying.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn @Krazer So I should apply anyway?

Krazer

16:41

@GnomeSlice what type of position is it?

Sterno

@GnomeSlice Worst thing that possibly happens as a result is that they don't hire you. Which is also the same thing that is guaranteed to happen if you don't apply.

5

GnomeSlice

Electronics sales associate

like the guy who wanders around the movies and games section and helps people

Wipqozn

Listen to @Sterno, he's old and therefore wise.

GnomeSlice

Future Shop

Wipqozn

Yeah, just apply.

Krazer

16:42

@GnomeSlice go for it!

GnomeSlice

fuck they need a cover letter

tombull89

tke the guy who wanders around the movies and games section and tries to flog Monster HDMI cables to people

Wipqozn

Honestly if you ever apply for an on-the-floor position at any retail place your experience doesn't matter.

Sterno

I guess the worst thing that can possibly happen is that they invite you for an interview the same day dinosaurs attack the store, and you're carried away by a pterodactyl and your chest cavity is used as a house for it's eggs, so that it's young can eat you, still alive, when they hatch.

3

GnomeSlice

I don't have one

Sterno

16:42

But that's pretty unlikely.

Wipqozn

IT can help you get the job, but not having an experience won't disqualify you.

Krazer

@GnomeSlice write one

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice You're not upposed to.

Cover letters are supposed to be written on a job by job basis.

GnomeSlice

Wtf

How do I do that

fredley

@Sterno This would would be worse (and more likely) with cockroaches

But then, so would everything

Wipqozn

16:43

You're not supposed to have a generic cover letter that you just give to all jobs.

tombull89

Cover letter? Just Dear Sir/Madam please find attatched my application for $job as advertised in $location.

Sterno

jobsearch.about.com/od/coverletters/a/aa030401a.htm

Krazer

Hello ________!
Paragraph 1: what the position is that I'm applying for, where I saw the posting, and to please look at my attached resume for more details.
Paragraph 2: My education and work experience, summarized. Explain how it relates to the job I'm applying for.
Paragraph 3: Some personal traits (hard working, etc.) as well as any further qualifications (languages I speak, software I've been trained on, etc.)
Paragraph 4: Please don't hesitate to get in touch if I sound qualified, here's my contact info, yadda yadda.

Wipqozn

youth.gc.ca/eng/topics/jobs/cover.shtml

GnomeSlice

@Sterno It's amazing

Sterno

16:43

GnomeSlice

@Krazer Jesus Christ, I can't do that.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice That's about 80% of the purpose of the cover letter. To weed out possible employees who can't even be assed to write one.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno GG

Wipqozn

@Sterno Correct.

Powerlord

CV/Resumé is generic (well... kinda), cover letter is specific.

Wipqozn

16:44

Hence why a generic one is bad.

GnomeSlice

My resume is full of multimedia shit too

Powerlord

Bleah, I'm too lazy to look up the acute e character

Krazer

@GnomeSlice don't give up before you've tried

Sterno

@GnomeSlice And don't be afraid to learn by failing.

Krazer

@GnomeSlice put that in there

Sterno

16:45

Again, the worst thing that can happen (dinosaurs aside) by trying and failing is the exact same outcome as not trying.

Also, I read this last night. Maybe it's appropriate.

GnomeSlice

> Please provide an example of a time where you have delivered exceptional customer service. What did you do? What was the outcome? *

Ah, screw this

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Didn't you have to work with a client to make a vide?

GnomeSlice

Yes. But I didn't interact with the client myself

My supervisor did

Powerlord

...what kind of job is this for, anyway?

GnomeSlice

@Powerlord Futureshop

Powerlord

16:47

@GnomeSlice Why would they expect you have previous customer service experience?

GnomeSlice

I don't know, but it was listed as a requirement

Wipqozn

Which as we already said isn't important. Apply anyways.

Powerlord

Futureshop doesn't exactly strike me as a "this can't be your first customer service job" kind of thing

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Yeah but I have no example

Wipqozn

It's really hard to be helpful when you're trying hard to find an excuse to fail.

tombull89

16:49

@GnomeSlice Fixed a laptop/computer for anyone before?

GnomeSlice

@tombull89 Nope.

Lazers

0

Q: What's the fastest way to level up in GTA online?

What's the fastest way to level up in GTA online? I want't to level as fast as possible to beat my friends. But what is the fastest way to level up?

grand-theft-auto-5

Powerlord

Fixed a sandwich for anyone before? :P

GnomeSlice

I served tables at summer camp once

I can't do this

kalina

@Wipqozn I said something similar earlier, just less bluntly

@GnomeSlice when you were doing your IndieStore thing, did they ask for multiple revisions?

Did you do them with no complaints?

GnomeSlice

16:52

@kalina No, I did that for them.

kalina

Did you ensure that you provided the customer with everything they wanted?

GnomeSlice

They just said I could to do it

kalina

Were they happy at the end of it?

Did you do it for free?

GnomeSlice

@kalina Yeh.

Well, they gave me a bunch of games

Sterno

Listen, if you really don't think you're a fit for this job, move on to the next. Fine. We're just saying that not trying has exactly the same outcome as trying and failing, so there's no reason to be worried about trying and failing. Find some places. Apply. Even if every single one results in failure, which is unlikely, you'll have gained valuable experience about the process and it will seem less intimidating the more you go on

2

GnomeSlice

16:52

But I needed shit for my portfolio

kalina

ok so a time you provided a customer with exceptional service

GnomeSlice

@Sterno You're right.

kalina

@GnomeSlice "there was an independent games store that needed <whatever it is you did for them> and you worked with them to create the end product, ensuring they were happy with the outcome every step of the way, including multiple revisions to get it to fit in perfectly with what they envisioned for their brand"

GnomeSlice

> Please tell us why you have applied for a position with Future Shop? *

What do they want me to say here

kalina

@GnomeSlice what is futureshop?

Sterno

16:54

They dont' want you to say "I need moneY", because that's obvious

kalina

oh that's like PC world

Sterno

They want to know why you're applying in particular with them. Something about their business, or the type of job you'll be doing? What makes it at least slightly interesting to you?

kalina

@GnomeSlice you have a passion for technology and an enthusiasm to provide customers with products that perfectly suit their requirements and believe that Future Shop is the best place to do that

GnomeSlice

@kalina Tech store.

kalina

@GnomeSlice see above

GnomeSlice

16:55

Phones, computers, games, movies, TV, audio, everythiung

kalina

see above

GnomeSlice

How are you so good at this

Lazers

0

Q: Gta 5 selling cars on single player

Are you able to sell them offline. I tried with all different types of cars but it won't let me.

grand-theft-auto-5

kalina

@GnomeSlice it's just telling people what they need to hear

Sterno

@GnomeSlice The more you do it, the better you get. When you've never done it, your skill level bar is at 0.

GET OUT THERE, EARN SOME EXPERIENCE POINTS, AND LEVEL UP YOUR SKILL

kalina

16:56

every employer wants to know that you're going to turn up and give them your best, and it's because of an underlying passion for whatever it is they do

fredley

@kalina Also: passion is reasonably easy to fake

Sterno

Or, at the very least, that you aren't going to stand their miserably all day counting the hours until you leave

kalina

@fredley every day since the age of 14

fredley

@kalina :(

kalina

@Sterno yeah

badp

16:57

"Welcome to the Family Sharing Beta"

I didn't even remember signing up for it

and it seems untradable

Sterno

@kalina Speaking of which, 4 hours until hometime!

kalina

@Sterno I'm already home, go me

fredley

@Sterno Hometime is soon

GnomeSlice

@badp Er, why would you want to share your family

Sterno

@fredley No, your original version was better.

fredley

16:58

@kalina I'm at work, the last person

@Sterno No.

kalina

@fredley poor you

GnomeSlice

@fredley Yes.

fredley

@kalina Fucking landing pages. Can't pages land themselves these days?

kalina

@fredley just put small grey text on white background "Nothing to see here."

Sterno

Landing pages for landing pages are the worst.

OrigamiRobot

16:59

47 mins ago, by Skullomania

i get tired of the leveling myself

fredley

@kalina Yeah, not great for sales.

kalina

or, go with the geocities style, with the "working man construction thing" and blinking text saying "Under Construction - Coming Soon"

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot No. The ding sound is always awesome.

GnomeSlice

Lmao that flag

Sterno

Thank you for the sweet, sweet drama RPG

GnomeSlice

16:59

> slappin hoes predates civilization

fredley

@kalina kvartirakrasivo.ru/404/index.php

kalina

@GnomeSlice that flag isn't funny, recalibrate your humour

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