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7:00 PM

I never really thought of you as a weevil.

GnomeSlice

My references are too sophisticated for you guys.

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Fluttershy

This Humble Bundle pisses me off a little bit. o_o

user15026

@Fluttershy It is neither humble nor indie

Fluttershy

Right. Like... THQ Bundle? Whatevs. Company's going bankrupt, needs as much as they can get. Double Fine? More or less indie now that they've stopped seeking larger publishers. Deep Silver? Produces shitty games and buys a successful franchise from aforementioned bankrupt company. Wtf do they need the money for? A third, shittier Dead Island game?

GnomeSlice

Dead Island looks like a lot of fun

No point buying AAA games as downloads for me though

Fluttershy

7:06 PM

@GnomeSlice First Dead Island was fun for a bit. Then it just got tedious. Riptide is just a crappier version of the first game. <_< From what I've read, anyway.

GnomeSlice

This is the extent of my knowledge of Dead Island

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It looks pretty fun though

I'm assuming everyone has been rendered speechless by that video.

fbueckert

I think most of us are attempting to smash our faces through our desks, rather.

user15026

I am distracted and reading about incredibly dangerous chemicals

LessPop_MoreFizz

Circumvention of DRM-> Piracy->Off topic, should probably be closed.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn 'we use them, every day'

user15026

7:13 PM

@GnomeSlice not these ones

GnomeSlice

WKRP reference

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz Eh. If there's a valid way to do it, I don't see why we shouldn't keep it.

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn Incredibly dangerous as in "reacts violently with absolutely everything"?

fbueckert

As long as we delete answers that advocate piracy.

user15026

@MadScientist Most of them, yes

LessPop_MoreFizz

7:14 PM

@fbueckert 1) There isn't.

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fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz That we know of.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert 2) Circumventing Origin for games that require it is circumvention of DRM. Full Stop.

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GnomeSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz I agree with this

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz This, this, this

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert 3) Yes yes, I know we all hate EA and Origin and yadda yadda yadda, but that doesn't mean it's a valid question.

Mad Scientist

7:15 PM

Then I'd guess you're reading Derek Lowe's "Things I won't work with" blog posts

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz I don't agree, but I don't care enough about it to fight over it.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert Are you sure you don't just hate origin?

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Hate it with a thousand burning suns.

user15026

@MadScientist You're good. :)

fbueckert

Doesn't mean I think it's asking for piracy.

GnomeSlice

7:16 PM

Maybe you're biased then?

fbueckert

@GnomeSlice Dude, everyone's biased.

About everything.

GnomeSlice

Heh

Sconibulus

There was that one guy that wasn't that one time

but then he had a thought...

user15026

@MadScientist One of my SO's was talking about it at lunch, and now it is my afternoon reading :)

GnomeSlice

@Sconibulus And then the StayPuft marshmallow man tried to kill him

Mad Scientist

7:17 PM

I'm happy that the most dangerous stuff I've worked with is just toxic or carcinogenic or reacts violently with water and ignites itself.

Sconibulus

Poor guy...

user15026

@MadScientist ......that sounds so tame in comparison

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn We let students in the ~3rd semester work with those, and almost none of them manage to injure themselves (with the exception of cutting themselves on broken glassware)

user15026

@MadScientist Thats good at least XD

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn Some of them try very hard, but they usually get lucky

user15026

7:23 PM

@MadScientist O.o

SaintWacko

> Purifying it away from the ethereal solvents after that route, though, looks like extremely tedious work, which allows you the rare experience of being bored silly by something that's trying to kill you.

user15026

@SaintWacko :D

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn We had one student that wanted to dispose of his elemental sodium, he neutralized it with ethanol and threw it into the organic waste. The problem was he was impatient and didn't wait until all the sodium reacted. This results in a flame shooting out of the organic waste canister, igniting his lab coat. He got away with superficial burns on his hands from opening his coat.

user15026

@MadScientist O,o

user15026

Science is scary

GnomeSlice

7:27 PM

@MadScientist Hahahahahaha

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn ClF3, holy shit

@MadScientist bahaha, wow

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn That is stuff that you can easily avoid by thinking a bit about what you're doing. Most of the students manage that, some are a bit too careless

FAE

@MadScientist Holy shit.

user15026

@SaintWacko Oh yes, that is the one my SO was reading to me that got me interested in the first place :)

user20683

We had to evac an entire building at GSU once because some grad student accidently created CLF3

Ben Brocka

7:28 PM

If you don't cause a massive sprout of flames at least once a week you're not doing Science right

user15026

@WorldEngineer Shiiiiiiiiiiit

SaintWacko

> We're talking high-nitrogen compounds here (a specialty of Klapötke's group), and the question is not whether such things are going to be explosive hazards. (That's been settled by their empirical formulas, which generally look like typographical errors).

I like this guy

@WorldEngineer o.0

user20683

Chem alarms are incredibly loud

SaintWacko

How much damage did it do?

user15026

@SaintWacko He has the best writing style.

user20683

7:29 PM

lab was negative pressure so once it was sealed they called hazard teams in and cleaned it up

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Slightly reminiscent of Pratchett

@WorldEngineer Ooh, fancy

user15026

@SaintWacko Ah, yes, that's who it reminds me of. (This has been bugging me all day)

user20683

GSU does work with the CDC and other such people, they don't screw around.

FAE

One of my SOs originally started his bachelor's in Chemical Engineering and I'm kind of glad he decided not to. >_>

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Well, glad I could help :)

@WorldEngineer Oh, okay, that makes sense

user15026

7:30 PM

We had the chem alarms go off once on campus, you could hear them for forever, it was pretty nuts

user15026

I never found out what happened

SaintWacko

What level of BSL do you have?

user15026

being an artsie and all

user20683

When you see cops wearing gas masks, go to the fuck the other way.

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn Almost certainly a false alarm, those are much more likely than anything serious. And even if it is real, a small fire in a fume hood is not that big a deal

user15026

7:32 PM

@SaintWacko bSL? The internet is not helping me here

user20683

Though to be honest, the scarier place is Georgia Tech

user15026

@MadScientist Fair enough, they just SOUND so alarming

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Biosafety Level

user20683

They have a nuclear reactor

user15026

@SaintWacko Ah, okay. :)

SaintWacko

7:32 PM

Biosafety level

A biosafety level is the level of the biocontainment precautions required to isolate dangerous biological agents in an enclosed facility. The levels of containment range from the lowest biosafety level 1 (BSL-1) to the highest at level 4 (BSL-4). In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have specified these levels. In the European Union, the same biosafety levels are defined in a directive. History The first prototype Class III (maximum containment) biosafety cabinet was fashioned in 1943 by Hubert Kaempf Jr., then a U.S. Army soldier, under the direct...

@WorldEngineer I find that much less scary than biological agents

user20683

true

user15026

@SaintWacko This is fascinating

user20683

but the bioagent stuff is done at Emory and the CDC

user20683

GSU doesn't do that on campus

user20683

we're in Downtown Atlanta

user20683

7:33 PM

way too many people

StrixVaria

Kickstarter strikes again

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Mad Scientist

There are some tragic accidents like the PostDoc at UCLA (I think) that died in an accident with t-BuLi, but almost always those happen when people ignore many safety rules (or are never told properly how to do this)

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn very

user20683

user20683

Here is a puppy to help with the mood

ChrisHateZ

7:35 PM

Is this even valid question for arqade? gaming.stackexchange.com/q/97350/19932

SaintWacko

@WorldEngineer That is tiny

ChrisHateZ

@WorldEngineer Adorable.

Ullallulloo

@StrixVaria Someone pledged $1,000 dollars. T_T

user15026

@WorldEngineer SO TINY OMG OMG OMG I LOVE IT AUGH

ChrisHateZ

65k $?

Lol

StrixVaria

7:37 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Then that should be the answer to the question of "Can I circumvent it?"

I don't see why that question is close-worthy.

ChrisHateZ

@WorldEngineer That's a chiuaua, is it not?

GnomeSlice

store.steampowered.com/app/230860

FEichinger

@StrixVaria Circumventing DRM is inherently "piracy". As such we do not support it. Period, simple as that. Whether or not the answer is "No." has no bearing on that.

RedRiderX

@GnomeSlice Ah interesting.

Nice they were able to get on that.

GnomeSlice

@RedRiderX Yeah, it's on Steam now.

user20683

7:39 PM

@ChrisHateZ it's some kind of toy dog puppy I think

StrixVaria

@FEichinger "Can I play Steam games without Steam?" and "Can I play Origin games without Origin?" are both legitimate questions that deserve answers. The answer can very well be, "No, Origin serves as DRM and can't be circumvented."

That is a useful question to answer.

badp

@StrixVaria ewrgh

this comes straight from the 80s right?

Ullallulloo

@StrixVaria It can technically be circumvented though.

There are programs that imitate Steam and/or can install Steam games without it.

ChrisHateZ

@WorldEngineer It's not a toy!

StrixVaria

@Ullallulloo Not legally. So don't mention that in the answer.

My point stands that the question is useful.

badp

7:43 PM

FEichinger

@StrixVaria This assumes that the asker is unaware of the respective DRM's function as DRM.

badp

YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE.

ChrisHateZ

@StrixVaria If you buy the game, i don't see why would it be wrong or illegal to "patch" it in order for it to run without steam (or similiar service).

StrixVaria

@FEichinger It's fair to assume that the asker is unaware of such a thing since he is specifically admitting he doesn't have complete knowledge by the mere act of asking a question.

Ullallulloo

@ChrisHateZ Because of questionably-legal EULAs.

SaintWacko

7:44 PM

@ChrisHateZ It is if the EULA state- Yeah, that

Ullallulloo

We aren't here to determine the legality though.

ChrisHateZ

@Ullallulloo +1

GnomeSlice

@badp In their defense, games with truly terrible graphics can still be very very good (see Helena the Third).

Mad Scientist

One important point is that we don't enforce EULAs or TOS here, questions about piracy are off-topic because we don't want to support software piracy. Legal issues don't really matter here, the determining factor is solely what kind of questions the community wants.

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice Helena the Third's graphics are not "truly terrible".

GnomeSlice

7:47 PM

@ChrisHateZ They're pretty bad.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice The graphics in this are actually pretty cool.

Especially compared to Reality Death Maze.

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice Seen much worse. So I'd say HtT's graphics are just fine.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria What is the joke here? I can barely scroll over RDP.

GnomeSlice

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot The game is the worst.

badp

7:48 PM

@GnomeSlice That's something they rendered in five minutes or so in whatever shitty 3D program was cool in the 80s that has nothing whatsoever to do with how games are made.

Sterno

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A: Does Minecraft for XBox require a gold account to play with other players?

You, you need an Xbox Live Gold account.

GnomeSlice

Sterno

oops

Lazers

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Q: Feed the Beast Unhinged Version History

My server is currently running FTB Unhinged version 1.0.1 I logged in today and noticed that for the first time ever FTB Unhinged is no longer a private code only pack, and it seems to be released to the public as version 1.1.0 What are the differences between these two packs?

minecraft-feed-the-beast

StrixVaria

@Sterno This is actually a really good analog to the Origin question that was closed.

GnomeSlice

7:48 PM

Sterno

I was trying to point out how stupid that answer was even after my edit, but my edit was bad.

GnomeSlice

Helena the Third is fucking awesome though and you guys should all play it. It's like $3

Reasonable as shit

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno You, you so excited.

GnomeSlice

Actually it's $1.99

desura.com/games/helena-the-3rd

Play it guys

Ullallulloo

@MadScientist Well, it's more because Stack Exchange doesn't want to be held liable.

badp

7:49 PM

What Stack Exchange doesn't want is in /legal

Sterno

@StrixVaria I've been too busy to get involved in that discussion, but yeah, I didn't really think it was about circumventing DRM. It seemed to be about satisfying the guy's paranoia that Origin was going to look at his pron

GnomeSlice

Also Demolition Master is apparently launching today.

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice I still wouldn't say the graphics are truly terrible. Mostly because there are far far worse ones.

GnomeSlice

@ChrisHateZ Maybe. The enemies are the worst by far.

Mad Scientist

@Ullallulloo Nope, not our concern. Legal issues are entirely handled by SE by responding to DMCA notices and other stuff. Moderators and the community don't need to make any legal judgements, and we are clearly not qualified to do that anyway

GnomeSlice

7:50 PM

I highly recommend the game though.

Although it's gotten so hard I can't beat it

the save system kind of blows ass

Although maybe that's been fixed in subsequent versions

it apparently does online play now too

badp

Nowhere here is anything about piracy, unauthorized access to computer systems or whatnot

Mad Scientist

@Sterno To be fair, the first version of Origin did scan the entire programs folder

GnomeSlice

Which would be amaaaazing.

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice Don't even remind me of bad save systems. Shadowrun Returns got TERRIBLE one.

GnomeSlice

@ChrisHateZ I read about it. Helena's was worse.

badp

7:51 PM

of course it might be illegal for users to publish some information, but that's the user's problem, not SE's :P

GnomeSlice

You could only save at the start of each environment

Sterno

@MadScientist Just because he's paranoid doesn't mean he's wrong!

GnomeSlice

If you ran out of lives, had to start from the beginning again

user20683

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice I stoped playing SR because of how bad the save system is. I'm waiting for a patch that will improve it.

StrixVaria

7:52 PM

Playing through FF7 again reminded me that the save system in it (at least before you leave Midgar) is stupid.

GnomeSlice

of the environment*

And they were huge

badp

@WorldEngineer :(

Mad Scientist

@Sterno With EA it is hard to tell if they are more malicious than stupid or the other way around

GnomeSlice

@ChrisHateZ It forced me to stop playing HtT too, stuck in the fire area and can't make it through without running out of lives and having to start over

ChrisHateZ

@StrixVaria Is the game really as good as everyone says? Not a big FF fan.

GnomeSlice

7:52 PM

But for $2 you really can't beat the game

StrixVaria

@ChrisHateZ Then you probably won't like it.

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria oh god what

Sterno

@StrixVaria That game features rape by burly men in a hot tub.

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka It's the best

badp

@Sterno wat.

user20683

7:53 PM

@badp it's epic level parental trolling

StrixVaria

@Sterno The scene where you dress up as a girl had an entirely different meaning on this playthrough vs. when I was a kid.

(When I was a kid, it was mostly confusion.)

ChrisHateZ

@StrixVaria Well i only played FF5 and 9. I did enjoy them both.

StrixVaria

@ChrisHateZ FF9 is one of the few I never got into. FF5 was great.

GnomeSlice

I have never played a final fantasy game...

user20683

@GnomeSlice I should ban you again for that.

StrixVaria

7:55 PM

FF7 is dated.

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria FF9 wasn't really that bad

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice They are good, but overrated.

GnomeSlice

Which is the one that had all the boobies

10-2 right

Ben Brocka

@GnomeSlice Probably X-2

Sterno

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StrixVaria

7:55 PM

@BenBrocka I never had a PlayStation; I played FF7-8 on PC.

user20683

yeah

GnomeSlice

That one looked hilariously terrible

user20683

It is

StrixVaria

I don't think FF9 ever had a PC release.

GnomeSlice

I watched my sister play it a bit

SaintWacko

7:55 PM

> I'd call for all the chemists who've ever worked with a hexanitro compound to raise their hands, but that might be assuming too much about the limb-to-chemist ratio.

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria I did'nt even realize 8 had a PC release

user20683

it was a buggy mess

GnomeSlice

@WorldEngineer But girls!

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka There weren't many.

ChrisHateZ

@Sterno What the hell.

Ben Brocka

7:56 PM

@StrixVaria they probably quit after a poor experience with 7/8 on PC

SaintWacko

> No, making things that go off when someone down the hall curses at the coffee machine, that's no problem.

user20683

@GnomeSlice 8 on PC was a buggy mess

SaintWacko

This is cracking me up

StrixVaria

@ChrisHateZ This isn't representative of the game overall.

GnomeSlice

@WorldEngineer Oh

user20683

7:56 PM

10-2 was just kinda meh

Ullallulloo

@MadScientist It's against the ToS to use the network to engage in any kind of illegal activity though.

ChrisHateZ

@StrixVaria Haha.

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka Yeah, I had a lot of issues with them both.

user20683

6 was good, 9 was good

StrixVaria

I also was never able to get into 6.

user20683

7:57 PM

8 was a good if confusing story and an iffy battle system

Ben Brocka

@WorldEngineer none were buggy messes on PS/SNES

StrixVaria

That one I actually tried, though.

user20683

@BenBrocka aye

user20683

was referring only to the PC port

StrixVaria

I loved 8 back in the day. I don't think it will have held up as well if I replay it now.

Mad Scientist

7:58 PM

@Ullallulloo It is far too hard to determine what is illegal. I'm not a laywer, but I'm pretty sure that circumventing DRM while owning the game is not illegal everywhere

user20683

10 was decent, hated Wakka and Tidus

GnomeSlice

I've only ever played through like 2 real RPG games

One was Breath of Fire II and the other was Skies of Arcadia

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Skies of Arcadia is so good.

Ben Brocka

@WorldEngineer HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

ChrisHateZ

@GnomeSlice BoF games are EPIC.

GnomeSlice