Worldbuilding's Robots

Pavel Janicek

13:00

happy impacting

Future Historian

I was already there just in case an answer did not come up. :)

Pavel Janicek

To be honest I like to answer questions which show some research being done

your question sounded like do my homework please

Future Historian

Well, about that......it is basically using a real asteroid.

Pavel Janicek

yep

Future Historian

Specifically: 1999 FN53.

Pavel Janicek

13:02

which makes me even more feel like I am doing your homework

Future Historian

So, given that I was unable to find much information regarding the mass.....well, I need to find the delta v needed to move it now. :/

Pavel Janicek

because you kinda expect me to search for asteroid diameter and density and then put it to the site I posted here

@FutureHistorian It gives you room for some story

You can make the asteroid as dense as you want, as long as it is plausible

on the site there is even drop down list for that]

like you can say the asteroid is going to be mostly ice

Or mostly iron

Future Historian

So.....if the asteroid is 900 metres in diameter and has a density of 3000 kg/m^3, what would be the mass?

Pavel Janicek

because no one knows real data, both is plausible

Future Historian

Actually, the 900 metres are NASA estimates.

The other is a guesstimate.

Pavel Janicek

13:05

@FutureHistorian calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-solids/sphere.php

If you guesstimate the asteroid is mostly spherical

Future Historian

Thank you!

Pavel Janicek

no problem

Future Historian

Still, what about mass in kilograms?

:/

Pavel Janicek

dude. do you know at least basic math?

Or basic problem solving skills?

Future Historian

Yes.....

Pavel Janicek

13:09

I do not want to be mean, but you have all the data

Future Historian

But unfortunately.....short-term memory is shite for me. :(

Pavel Janicek

to figure out by yourselves

Future Historian

Oh.

I need to refresh my memory.

Pavel Janicek

So, you have mostly spherical asteroid

so you can calculate its volume in m3

Future Historian

Also.....3.04 million megatons is bad.....correct?

As in: extinction level bad?

Pavel Janicek

13:10

thats really bad

I was posting the dinosaurus asteroid

and it was even lower

Future Historian

Actually, the impactor there was 100 teratons of TNT.

Pavel Janicek

The Chicxulub impactor had an estimated diameter of 10 km (6.2 mi) or larger, and delivered an estimated energy equivalent of 100 teratonnes of TNT (4.2×1023 J), over a billion times the energy of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[19] By contrast, the most powerful man-made explosive device ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba, had a yield of only 50 megatons of TNT (2.1×1017 J),[20] making the Chicxulub impact roughly 2 million times more powerful.

Future Historian

This is pale in comparison.

Pavel Janicek

Chicxulub crater

The Chicxulub crater (pronunciation: /ˈtʃiːkʃᵿluːb/; Mayan: [tʃʼikʃuluɓ]) is an impact crater buried underneath the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico. Its center is located near the town of Chicxulub, after which the crater is named. The date of the Chicxulub impactor, which created it, coincides precisely with the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary (K–Pg boundary), around 66 million years ago. The crater is more than 180 kilometers (110 miles) in diameter and 20 km (12 mi) in depth, well into the continental crust of the region of about 10-30 km depth. It makes the feature the third of the largest confirmed...

Future Historian

Exactly 100 teratonnes. By comparsion, this is 3.04 teratonnes.

Pavel Janicek

13:12

3 millions mega is 3 terra

still, it is pretty severe impact

and I would say the 100 terratonnes is maybe bit guesstimate too

Future Historian

But is it overkill for my purposes, considering the amount I need is to damage the Asia-Pacific Region?

Pavel Janicek

still, I do not want to be on Earth if that happens

nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap

another tool to play with

Future Historian

Just checking. Is it too much for that purpose?

Pavel Janicek

I am going to use 3 terratonnes

bilbo_pingouin

@PavelJanicek right, I'm only checking whether it is within the list... and subnames are within the list... dammit ;-)

!>getcurrentusers

user153821

13:16

@bilbo_pingouin Pavel Janicek, Future Historian, KarmaBot, bilbo_pingouin, dot_Sp0T

Pavel Janicek

I will now sing official QA anthem

bug bug bug, buggity buggity bug!

Future Historian

So....results?

Pavel Janicek

@FutureHistorian nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/classic/…

and again, please do not expect people do do your work

Future Historian

Sorry. :(

dot_Sp0T

oh my, i like artofcod

sounds like a cooking account

Pavel Janicek

13:19

you can play with location settings

I just put it somewhere to Asia region

but basically, 3 terratonnes will blow off the whole Asia

which leads to

Future Historian

Let me be specific: 2 km off the coast of Guam.

Pavel Janicek

use the map then

and show me you can do it :)

Future Historian

I just did.

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bilbo_pingouin

13:22

$>showpoints

user153821

Here are the points collected by the users:
mafia36790: 200
peterpeter: 194
paveljanicek: 1
you: 200
dot_sp0t: 198

bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints

user153821

Here are the points collected by the users:
dot_sp0: 200
dot_s: 200
paveljanicek: 197
bilbo: 201
bilbo_pingouin: 200
artofcode: 200
dot: 200
ar: 200
d: 200
pavel: 201
do: 200
a: 200
dot_sp0t: 201
dot_: 200
dot_sp: 200

bilbo_pingouin

!>listcommands

user153821

*ban, *disable, *enable, *module, *stop, *translationchain, *translationswitch, *unban, +adminpoints, +clearpoints, +delete, +givemedal, +ping, +prunepoints, alive, breakingnews, bye, cat, define, detectlang, doubleflip, drop, duck, exec, flip, getcurrentusers, getpoints, givepoints, help, hi, join, listcommands, pin, random, randomchoice, randomint, read, repeat, say, say_n, search, showmedals, showpoints, shuffle, smile, split, star, sup, take, thanks, translate, unpin, unstar, utc,
wise_man, work, xkcd, xkcdrandomnumber

bilbo_pingouin

13:22

!>clearpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin List of points cleared. You can start again.

bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Here are the points collected by the users:

bilbo_pingouin

!>givepoints FutureHistorian 1

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Not enough arguments.

Pavel Janicek

13:23

so, can I try again? @bilbo_pingouin?

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I don't think I had the pleasure of meeting futurehistorian

bilbo_pingouin

@PavelJanicek you can, but I'm not sure it's working... :)

Pavel Janicek

!>getpoints

user153821

@PavelJanicek paveljanicek is given a welcome budget of 200 points

Pavel Janicek

!>getpoints FutureHistorian

user153821

13:24

@PavelJanicek futurehistorian is given a welcome budget of 200 points

Future Historian

Goodbye, Japan, Korea, most of China, Oceania and Southeast Asia

Pavel Janicek

!>givepoints futurehistorian 1

user153821

@PavelJanicek Changed points for futurehistorian by 1. New total: 201

Pavel Janicek

@FutureHistorian now the question is, if it is overkill or not

by changing density or speed of impact (or both) you can make it into smaller "splash"

bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints

user153821

13:26

Here are the points collected by the users:
futurehistorian: 201
paveljanicek: 199

Pavel Janicek

!>getpoints bilbo

user153821

@PavelJanicek bilbo is given a welcome budget of 200 points

bilbo_pingouin

dammit!

Pavel Janicek

still the same

this bug is hard to kill

maybe borrow an asteroid from Futurehistorian? :D

bilbo_pingouin

I would not want to kill Karma

Pavel Janicek

13:28

IX. General panic. Damage considerable in specially designed structures; well-designed frame structures thrown out of plumb. Damage great in substantial buildings, with partial collapse. Buildings shifted off foundations. Serious damage to reservoirs. Underground pipes broken. Conspicuous cracks in ground. In alluviated areas sand and mud ejected, earthquake fountains, sand craters.

X. Most masonry and frame structures destroyed with their foundations. Some well-built wooden structures and bridges destroyed. Serious damage to dams, dikes, embankments. Large landslides. Water thrown on bank…

Multistory wall-bearing buildings will collapse.

Wood frame buildings will almost completely collapse.

Multistory steel-framed office-type buildings will suffer extreme frame distortion, incipient collapse.

Highway truss bridges will collapse.

Highway girder bridges will collapse.

Glass windows will shatter.

Cars and trucks will be largely displaced and grossly distorted and will require rebuilding before use.

Up to 90 percent of trees blown down; remainder stripped of branches and leaves.

bilbo_pingouin

ah, wait... of course, I corrected the givepoints... not the getpoints

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bilbo_pingouin

!>getpoints bilbo

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin 200

bilbo_pingouin

13:33

wait... what?

!>showpoints

user153821

Here are the points collected by the users:
paveljanicek: 199
futurehistorian: 201
bilbo: 200

bilbo_pingouin

ah it kept from before restart

!>clearpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin List of points cleared. You can start again.

bilbo_pingouin

!>getpoints bilbo

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bilbo_pingouin

13:34

!>showpoints

user153821

Here are the points collected by the users:
bilbo: 200
futurehistorian: 201
paveljanicek: 199

bilbo_pingouin

!>clearpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin List of points cleared. You can start again.

bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints all

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@bilbo_pingouin Here are the points collected by the users:

bilbo_pingouin

13:35

!>getpoints bilbo

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I am not sure I met bilbo

bilbo_pingouin

@PavelJanicek ^^^ go :)

Future Historian

So, tsunamis hitting Japan at an estimated 4.7 to 9.4 metres could level the region, correct?

Oh wait!

facepalms

bilbo_pingouin

!>work plugin start

user153821

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bilbo_pingouin

13:37

!>work start

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin has been added to the list. Now, get to work...

bilbo_pingouin

!>work plugin stop

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Someone is still working.

Pavel Janicek

!>getpoints paveljanicek

user153821

@PavelJanicek I am not sure I met pavel

user153821

13:41

:28980128 I am not sure I met pavel

user153821

@PavelJanicek I am not sure I met paveljanice

user153821

@PavelJanicek I am not sure I met paveljanicek

Pavel Janicek

hmm

!>givepoints bilbo_pingouin 1

user153821

@PavelJanicek I don't think I had the pleasure of meeting bilbo_pingouin

Future Historian

:/

Pavel Janicek

13:43

!>givepoints bilbo_pingouin 1

user153821

@PavelJanicek I don't think I had the pleasure of meeting bilbo_pingouin

Future Historian

Expects casualty numbers > is unable to find appropriate ones :/

Pavel Janicek

!>showpoints all

user153821

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Pavel Janicek

!>getpoints

user153821

13:43

@PavelJanicek I am not sure I met paveljanicek

bilbo_pingouin

ok... now Karma does not recognise anyone...

;)

Pavel Janicek

:D

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Pavel Janicek

@FutureHistorian well, calculating causalities depends on how many people are there before the impact

dot_Sp0T

@bilbo_pingouin if you want me to I can have a look at the code later?

Future Historian

13:45

So, any good place to find such estimates or must I ask on the site?

Pavel Janicek

and that number is so far known only by you

Future Historian

Globally, there are 11.7 billion on Earth.

I still need to find a way to distribute it.

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Pavel Janicek

start by looking at current distribution

and extrapolate from that

Future Historian

But I was thinking that most of Earth's population would be concentrated in Asia and Africa, with major economic centres being in the Asia-Pacific, as well as Europe, and North America.

bilbo_pingouin

13:47

!>getpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I am not sure I met bilbo_pingouin

Pavel Janicek

@FutureHistorian or, search for current distribution

Future Historian

In real life, by the 2100s, a population boom is expected in Africa in optimistic estimates, while the Asia-Pacific becomes the largest economic centre region of Earth.

Pavel Janicek

If not, then you really need to do your homework

anyway, leaving home

see you\

Future Historian

Goodbye.

ArtOfCode

13:52

So now we have $> and !>?

$>hi

user153821

@ArtOfCode Sorry, what?

ArtOfCode

!>hi

user153821

@ArtOfCode 'Sup?

bilbo_pingouin

14:06

@ArtOfCode !> runs on c9 for testing :)

ArtOfCode

@bilbo_pingouin Aye, good idea

until someone uses the @KarmaBot form :)

@KarmaBot hi

user153821

@ArtOfCode Hello!

user153821

@ArtOfCode Oh, hey!

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bilbo_pingouin

14:17

!>getpoints

crashed... ok... no chance :-/

@ArtOfCode I wanted to test it, but not meddling with the real Karma... so yeah, one can call both at once.

ArtOfCode

@bilbo_pingouin Should be fun.

@KarmaBot say something

user153821

@ArtOfCode (which wouldn't be a bad idea)

ArtOfCode

oh, the other one's down

bilbo_pingouin

@dot_Sp0T you can have a look at the code on GH anytime...

but I don't mind really... just that I've been a bit busy at work ;-)

@ArtOfCode yep :)

Future Historian

15:21

So....assuming today's current growth rate, the planet's population would be at 10.1 billion by 2040, far earlier than I initially expected, and a growth rate of 0.5% from there means a population of 13 billion by 2100, not counting colonisation efforts already in place since 2001 (when the International Lunar Outpost was born, and that was only 50 - 100 by ATL 2016). :/

Future Historian

16:21

And then I reduced it to 0.01% growth rate, which takes into account an explosion in colonisation beyond the Solar System and by 2466 I have a nice, stable 14,116,157,556 humans living on Earth. :)

dot_Sp0T

why would the growth of population subside?

or are you only talking about earth?

Future Historian

Just Earth.

So...sound good?

dot_Sp0T

17:46

To me it sounds strange, thus I asked for some clarifications; can't judge it otherwise

bilbo_pingouin

18:48

I think I know why its blocking anyone now...

I think it's due to some :3214321 like at first

ArtOfCode

@KarmaBot alive

user153821

@ArtOfCode Yes, I'm alive.

bilbo_pingouin

yeah, but to test it, I need c9's... because EC2's has some bugs

ArtOfCode

@bilbo_pingouin I was just checking it was still here, apparently some people are having problems with chat login.

bilbo_pingouin

:o

hm... c9 isn't working too well for me

ArtOfCode

18:53

what's up with it?

bilbo_pingouin

not loading...

ArtOfCode

status-reproduced

problem on their end

bilbo_pingouin

ok...

so meanwhile, I can explain what I thought of...

so, since the last version, we had the problem that getpoints lead to unknown user... this was due to a change when I was before checking that the username was on the getcurrentusers string. But of course, b, bi, bil, bilb, bilbo, etc. would also be. So I used a split(', ')...

and the first tests failed...

but I think it comes from the fact that if you are the last one to write, you should appear first in the list... and Karma's answer is always :4321434 name1, name2, name3

so instead of name1, we get ":4314134 name1" which is of course different than "name1"

ArtOfCode

Look at what the getcurrentusers command does in its code. It'll call a ChatExchange method, I bet - you can call that to get a comprehensible list of users, rather than trying to do string parsing.

bilbo_pingouin

yeah... but otherwise string parsing shouldn't be too complicated, I just have to remove the :432113 at first, and do the split

should be alright

but of course, if c9 does not work...

by the way, Art', have you seen that ProgramFOX updated ChatBox?

Future Historian

19:05

Hmmmm. 11.2 billion humans by 2100, with a 0.04% growth rate=13,017,358,113 humans in total by 2476. :/

bilbo_pingouin

@FutureHistorian not sure you can extrapolate linearly from this century to the next 3...

ArtOfCode

@bilbo_pingouin ChatBox? You mean ChatExchange? Or SE-Chatbot?

Future Historian

Well, this is just a guesstimate.

bilbo_pingouin

@ArtOfCode Version 2.3 of SE-Chatbot. Comes with bug fixes, command updates and new commands, auto-restarting when running from run.sh, and support to automatically pull from the source repository.

@FutureHistorian might as well roll a dice :)

Future Historian

Still, is it a good one? :/

That and since the asteroid collision releases 3.04 teratonnes of TNT on impact, how much damage can I expect? Extinction-level?

user153821

19:13

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bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints

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@bilbo_pingouin Here are the points collected by the users:

bilbo_pingouin

!>getpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I am not sure I met bilbo_pingouin

bilbo_pingouin

dammit... :(

user153821

19:14

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bilbo_pingouin

!>getpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin bilbo_pingouin karmabot futurehistorian artofcode dot_sp0t rudolfjelínek

bilbo_pingouin

oh, no commas

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19:15

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bilbo_pingouin

!>getpoints

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin bilbo_pingouin is given a welcome budget of 200 points

bilbo_pingouin

yeah \o/

!>getpoints FutureHistorian

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin futurehistorian is given a welcome budget of 200 points

bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints

user153821

19:16

Here are the points collected by the users:
futurehistorian: 200
bilbo_pingouin: 200

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bilbo_pingouin

!>getpoints bob

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I am not sure I met bob

bilbo_pingouin

no, and not sure you should

!>getpoints bilbo

user153821

19:17

@bilbo_pingouin I am not sure I met bilbo

bilbo_pingouin

!>givepoints ArtOfCode 5

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Not enough arguments.

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin artofcode is given a welcome budget of 200 points

bilbo_pingouin

!>showpoints

user153821

Here are the points collected by the users:
bilbo_pingouin: 195
artofcode: 205
futurehistorian: 200

bilbo_pingouin

19:18

!>givepoints foo 4

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Not enough arguments.

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I don't think I had the pleasure of meeting foo

bilbo_pingouin

I'll introduce you to him one day :)

ok, seems to be fine...

@ArtOfCode I'll commit and push it to GH :)

Future Historian

Er....is the bot active?

I need to use it to estimate casualties for the collision. :/

Or any of them, for that matter?

bilbo_pingouin

@KarmaBot alive

user153821

19:23

@bilbo_pingouin Yes, I'm alive.

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Yes, I'm alive.

bilbo_pingouin

@FutureHistorian you have it twice

Future Historian

Oh. So....@KarmaBot question

*.

bilbo_pingouin

@KarmaBot say how many people die during a collision with an asteroid?

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin I'm saying that there are algorithms that solve the intersection problem for 2 DFA's in polynomial time. There are algorithms that solve the intersection problem for 2 DFA's in polylog space. But, it's not known if there are algorithms for the intersection problem for 2 DFA's that run simultaneously in polynomial time and polylog space. :)

user153821

19:26

@bilbo_pingouin so I found that archive of my PSD files, right. took my Tallowmere sprite. been mucking around with Photoshop brushes for about an hour

bilbo_pingouin

pick any ;)

@ArtOfCode if you could update Karma?

do you want to test an update of SE-Chatbot on c9?

Future Historian

So, @KarmaBot, if 3.04 teratonnes of TNT are released on impact from an asteroid, on an Earth with 13 billion humans, especially 2 km off the coast of Guam, how much in casualties can I expect?

Future Historian

19:43

Well, @KarmaBot?

bilbo_pingouin

@FutureHistorian Karma can only answer some specific commands... and that isn't one of them ;)

Future Historian

Oh...oh.

Meh. I already posted it on the space stack exchange site regardless. :/

bilbo_pingouin

$>listcommands

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Command not found. Did you mean: listcommands?

user153821

*ban, *disable, *enable, *module, *stop, *translationchain, *translationswitch, *unban, +adminpoints, +clearpoints, +delete, +givemedal, +ping, +prunepoints, alive, breakingnews, bye, cat, define, detectlang, drop, duck, exec, getcurrentusers, getpoints, givepoints, help, hi, join, listcommands, pin, random, randomchoice, randomint, read, repeat, say, say_n, search, showmedals, showpoints, shuffle, smile, split, star, sup, take, thanks, translate, unpin, unstar, utc, wise_man, work,
xkcd, xkcdrandomnumber

bilbo_pingouin

19:47

any of the command that does not start with a * or a + can be used

Future Historian

Well, can any non-bots answer, then?

bilbo_pingouin

@FutureHistorian nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap

@ArtOfCode want me to update the botbuiltins from ProgramFOX update, and then reapply our modifs on c9? so you'd only need to copy the utils.py again and update Karma from your/our GH?

ArtOfCode

21:29

@bilbo_pingouin Sounds good. Sorry, I've been offline for a couple hours.

bilbo_pingouin

np

I am with Monty Wild right now, so I'll be able to do it tomorrow I suppose :)

ArtOfCode

Sure :)

Future Historian

22:44

I am alive!

Is chat dead?

bilbo_pingouin

@KarmaBot alive

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Yes, I'm alive.

user153821

@bilbo_pingouin Yes, I'm alive.

Future Historian

So.....

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Q: 2.19 Gigatonnes of TNT upon collision could cause how many casualties?

So, after going through a some rough calculations, I figured my earlier question ran into a few problems regarding the final velocity of the asteroid. I pulled the mathematics a bit incorrect, so I dumbed it down to a speed of 40,264.06 m/s at final velocity. The Delta v, though is 26,264.06 m/s,...

Before I got suspended from the Space.StackExchange chat....er.....I tried to fix the mathematical problems. Hopefully, this is more reasonable.

:/

bilbo_pingouin

got suspended from chat? well that does not happen that often.

Future Historian

22:47

Meh. I am not worried.

bilbo_pingouin

in any case, I'm going to bed... I should have been there some time ago.

Future Historian

o/

ArtOfCode

@FutureHistorian Doesn't look like you got suspended at all, actually.

Did your connection drop out?

Future Historian

From chat.

Not the site.

ArtOfCode

Yeah, that's what I'm looking at

bilbo_pingouin

22:48

@ArtOfCode if you want to join Monty Wild there not to let him finish alone the interview... I'm going to bed :)

well the link is in the universe factory chat

good night :)

Future Historian

@ArtOfCode Meh. Forget about it.

I just need to concern myself in regards to the problem at hand.

ArtOfCode

@FutureHistorian Oh I see. It looks like they used what's called a "kick", which is like a stripped-down and shorter version of a suspension.

Future Historian

I know.

But...I had a moderator message regarding that suspension.

But calm down.

I will be alright (hopefully).

ArtOfCode

That's okay, I've had a mod message once too :) As long as you read what it says, there's nothing to worry about.

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