The Bridge

8:00 PM

Well, I have no idea how itch.io works, but I guess that steam is using 30% as a "Tax for the privilege of selling with us"

Unionhawk

yea

@Yuuki the default is 10% but idk what the average is

Wipqozn

8:14 PM

Why am I not at the Olympics?

►

Ave

@Yuuki I usually do 100% charity

Nzall

Okay, question: there's a bit of slightly naughty WoW news today. Considering my history in this chatroom, I'd first like to ask if it's okay to post about something like that

murgatroid99

@badp Is itch.io actually self-sustaining, or are they running on VC money?

user15026

@Nzall if you gotta ask you probably shouldn't.

Nzall

True

Wrigglenite

8:19 PM

@Nzall If you have to ask, I suggest staying on the safe side

Nzall

At any rate, if you guys want to know what it is, I'm not going to explicitly say it in here, but there are some content creators like HeelVsBabyFace that have released a video on it

user15026

....

Nzall

oh, sorry, was that too much already?

user15026

Honestly, this is not helping either.

user15026

The people that wanna know will find their way to knowing, let's not dance along the "I'm not gonna say it but I'm gonna hint real loud" line

Unionhawk

8:24 PM

@murgatroid99 it looks like they're self sustaining based on their about

"what if everyone sets it to 0" is kind of less of a concern if you've also got vc money coming in

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk I don't see anything about that there

My reading is that it's a risk that's much easier to take as long as you don't actually need the money to survive

Unionhawk

I can't find anything that suggests it's designed to make tons of money for investors

Mad Scientist

@Unionhawk it's likely just statistics, they know how many people bother to set it lower, and factor that in

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk Oh, I see what you mean. They're not pushing for profits so they probably don't have any VC investors pushing them that way.

Half Empty

@Unionhawk steam is gonna have to do something though

Wrigglenite

8:35 PM

@HalfEmpty Really though?

Unionhawk

probably not

Half Empty

@Wrigglenite yes

I think Epic could take over if steam doesn't answer them

Unionhawk

although there are apparently left 4 dead 3 rumors so maybe that's what they're doing

Half Empty

Lol they definitely can't just keep coasting on teasing HL3 or portal 3 or L4D 3

murgatroid99

@HalfEmpty They're "coasting" on making money off of selling a million other games

Half Empty

8:37 PM

Fortnite has like 250 mil registered users, that's probably like 180 million kids growing up using the epic platform already. A lot of em probably don't even have steam accounts

New generation of gamers, new generation of platform. Steam needs to be careful

90mil active monthly steam users

I probably overestimated epic a bit but that's still huge

murgatroid99

registered users vs monthly active isn't a fair comparison

Half Empty

Let me see if I can find monthly stats for epic

Unionhawk

40% of epic store users say they don't use steam apparently

Half Empty

Can't find monthly

Unionhawk

as of mid march

Half Empty

8:39 PM

@Unionhawk not surprised, 40% of epic users are probably kids who play fortnite for free

But in ten years they're gonna be game-buying adults

If epic pushes games to them through fortnite I see no reason they wouldn't just use the platform they're already on

Nobody uses Facebook anymore, just old people. Same thing

It didn't evolve for the younger audience

Nzall

@HalfEmpty Hmm, and 10 years ago Myspace was the big thing instead of FB

I really hope I will not have to switch my main game provider every 10 year

murgatroid99

As of 6 months ago Facebook reported 2.27 billion monthly active users

Nzall

@murgatroid99 The young crowd is on Instagram, Whatsapp and Snapchat

murgatroid99

@Nzall Some of them sure, but a third of the population of the planet isn't "nobody"

Half Empty

If epic was public I'd be investing

@Nzall right?

You're right but like none of the teenagers I know are on facebook

Not the best example in the world but I still think it illustrates what I'm getting at

GodEmperorDune

8:44 PM

@HalfEmpty is tencent not public?

Half Empty

Mobile

@murgatroid99 you're right*

@GodEmperorDune HM you know I never thought to check parent companies

Lol

Trust me guys, I was right about Donald

Hue

Honestly the challenge Epic made to steam about lowering their take just seems like Epic trying to show the world that they are in a position of power. And I believe they are

They can skip the issue a lot of other stores have of building a userbase, cause they already have it

GodEmperorDune

i think Epic knows that fortnite is going to die eventually and so will that cash stream unless they can figure something else out

Half Empty

I don't think steam is in any danger of going under, but I do think their iron grip is tenuous moving forward with epics aggressive strategy

@GodEmperorDune not for a while

murgatroid99

@HalfEmpty What Epic is showing there is that they don't care about making money from the store because they have a different money source

Half Empty

They are busting their asses to keep it fresh

@murgatroid99 also possible, yes

They may not care about it now but you'd be foolish to think a profitable store wasn't in the long term plans

Imo

@GodEmperorDune as you said yeah the store could be the new cash flow a decade from now

GodEmperorDune

8:51 PM

@HalfEmpty it could be, or the store could be run at a loss to for them to get people into fortnite where they make more money. Or it could be some data harvesting thing. We don't really know what the plan is. they might not either, but they're trying to build options

Half Empty

Sounds possible. Fortnite blew up faster than I think the company knows how to handle, still

GodEmperorDune

the exclusivity thing seems like a "we know our store is shit and this is cheaper than building out features and getting organic growth"

Half Empty

It was only ever supposed to be a co-op tower defense game

@GodEmperorDune yeah possible for sure lol

I suspect the store eventually won't be shit but maybe not right away

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune And also undermining Steam by grabbing games that already announced Steam releases

Half Empty

That's definitely a play

GodEmperorDune

8:53 PM

there was an article floating around recently about how fortnite's dev cycle is in permanent crunch and that is not sustainable long term

murgatroid99

Game dev companies know they can just work their devs to death because there will always be more kids who want to make video games. I remember discussing this problem with EA a few years ago in here

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 sure, but kids fresh out of school are not the same thing as senior devs

and to be successful you arguably need both senior and junior people

Nzall

Also, systemic issues like the Crunch are becoming more and more well-known by the greater community and seen as unwanted

Half Empty

@GodEmperorDune for now yeah

On a somewhat related note, I read an article about the anime industry in Japan today and apparently the conditions are awful

Overworked underpaid

GodEmperorDune

@Nzall i hope so, but i am skeptical because the "crunch is bad" thing was been around since mid 2000s with EA_spouse and nothing really changed

user7237069

9:05 PM

gosh, the problems, i wonder, what is the solution(s)

there's a way to fix everything

i mean, many ways to fix many things

murgatroid99

That statement is so incredibly generic that it's definitely true, but not very useful

user7237069

indeed

sometimes, these things fit, but perhaps not here

sometimes it's really simple and easy, sometimes it isn't

generic, like broad

wide

let us narrow things a little then

be specific

Wrigglenite

Do you have anything to say or are you just spamming for spam's sake?

user7237069

spamming? not that again, ok i will shut up

@Wrigglenite feel free to chat

user15026

We don't really need your permission

Lazers 2.0

9:35 PM

0

Q: Minecraft 1.14 - Kill two random arrows when shot from a crossbow with multishot enchantment

I'm trying to create a command that will kill two random arrows shot from a multishot enchanted crossbow (that shoots 3). I wanted to make a bow that would either shoot only left, middle or right. I tried this by adding a scoreboard called CBOW which detected when a crossbow is shot and ran this...

Frank

10:30 PM

@GodEmperorDune Well, sure, but even there the social construct of being, "that guy" that goes home on time and letting down his teammates exerts some incredible pressure.

Lazers 2.0

-1

Q: I can't find the edit profile option in the minecraft launcher

I was interested in installing a map (https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/warrior-cats-lake-map-3936932/) and I looked up how to add it. It said to open edit profile, but its not anywhere. Does anyone know where it is?

minecraft

GodEmperorDune

@Frank yeah, peer pressure is a big part of crunch

Frank

Along with the unofficial, "Well, this just has to get done" to skirt workplace laws about forcing overtime and such.

Jim Sterling's latest video on it about the whole, "We don't put a gun to their heads! It's all voluntary!" bullshit is pretty good.

Unionhawk

There was a good thread from someone a few days ago hang on

it's been 8 years, and they've made it clear to me that I'm persona non grata there anyway so, fuck it: working at NetherRealm on MK9 nearly killed me. I didn't sleep more than 4 hours for months. from january to april 2011 i was at work more than half of the time

Tweeted by jlongstreet on April 23, 2019 at 4:10 PM in reply to jlongstreet

GodEmperorDune

10:47 PM

yall googled "thanos" and clicked the glove yet? infinity war spoilers, no endgame spoilers

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: How do you sync 1 world between Switch and PC on Minecraft Bedrock?

I want to be able to go out and play my world and continue to play it at home on my pc, is this possible, and if so, how?