The Bridge

Sterno

9:00 PM

I mean, the guy being a douche checks out

Frank

@Chippies Yeah. Where's @Strix to murder it?

Chippies

@Frank Idk if deleting it now is the right thing to do. It shouldn't have been reopened, but I'm not sure if deleting it after the fact really makes sense

Frank

@Chippies Seeing as how it was edited in bad faith, we don't reopen such.

murgatroid99

@Sterno So, calling bullshit on something that he admits never actually happens is a "lack of reading comprehension"

Frank

We delete them. Abusing our exception to game id shouldn't be rewarded.

Chippies

9:02 PM

@Frank but that's the thing - it was reopened

BlueBarren

so apparently the castlevania spiritual successor has now dropped Wii U support

Chippies

anyways, I don't care either way

Frank

@Chippies Due to a bad faith edit.

BlueBarren

basically sounds like the exact same situation as Yooka Laylee

StrixVaria

The amount the hospital tried to bill my insurance for my son's surgery: $23,508. The amount the insurance actually pays because it has "discounts": $4184

What the actual fuck.

Frank

9:03 PM

@StrixVaria Charge masters.

StrixVaria

Meanwhile if it weren't covered, I'd be responsible for that first amount.

Chippies

@Frank I feel like we had this same exact issue long ago where someone edited a screenshot after finding the game name and got the question reopened

Frank

@Chippies And we have a meta about it.

It says: its abuse

Don't do it.

Chippies

@Frank if the meta says what to do in such a situation then that's what should be done. I didn't know there was one

Sterno

@murgatroid99 Like I said, being a douche checks out

@StrixVaria The amount they would have told you it would cost if you had to ask before instead of after: NO ONE KNOWS

GnomeSlice

9:05 PM

@murgatroid99 I mean i can see where you're coming from but I don't think that makes it a non useful distinction. lots of sports separate by weight class too. If your going by strength, well that's where the whole competition part comes in isn't it? training

you're

Sterno

Medical billing is literally the dumbest.

@StrixVaria How's your son doing?

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Killing a "two-word named" mob without scoreboard in minecraft

I have searched a lot about killing a mob that has two words in his name but I failed, somehow it works with testfor and doesn't with /kill /kill @e[name=Dragon's Minion,type=item] it keeps sending the error Entity '@e[name=Dragon's' cannot be found sI tried every way possible but fo...

minecraft

0

Q: How do I mine in the nomad?

While driving around you often see something like, Zone Strength: RICH, but what do I actually do to find and mine minerals? Whenever I push the button to launch a mining drone it says no minerals detected?

mass-effect-andromeda

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Q: What are the details for Strike Team Mission "traits"?

This Strike Team mission has 3 Traits that are modifiers for this particular mission: Is there anywhere that lists the Traits and their effects, in-game or otherwise? E.g. what does "No Room For Error" actually mean?

mass-effect-andromeda

Chippies

sometimes you get billed more because you have insurance. I had a dentist once drop the price on my fillings from 250$ to 180$ because I didn't have insurance

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice I'm not saying that it's not useful so much as that we shouldn't expect it to be perfect. There's going to be a lot of variation in competitive ability within a gender both due to things people can control and things they can't control. The issue here is going after this particular difference, which happens to be something that people are prejudiced against already.

GnomeSlice

I don't think the issue is perceived prejudice

thats not why the other competitors are upset, anywag

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Yuuki

9:13 PM

Well, the root question is "why is there gender division in sports?". If it's a question about "fairness", then why isn't <specific attribute> also a division factor? Some sports have weight classes, sure, but what about other things like ratio of slow and fast twitch muscles?

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice That's not explicitly why the other competitors are upset. But when the article keeps using scare quotes around the word "identifies", it's clear that that's why the article's author is upset

Yuuki

There's an endless number of factors that can be counted to measure "fairness". Why do we use gender?

(Real question actually, not rhetorical)

StrixVaria

@Sterno They said "$3000 and up" actually.

So yeah, I guess $23k is higher than $3k

murgatroid99

@Yuuki It's probably because (at least from a simplified perspective), it's binary. You don't have to do any work to define division bounds or whatever. You can contrast with weight classes, where you have to decide how many weight classes to have, and how they have to be divided

StrixVaria

@Sterno He'd be doing better if UPS didn't lose his contact lens, but he's healthy!

GnomeSlice

9:16 PM

@murgatroid99 Who cares about the author. Plus, being upset about stuff is ok

Yuuki

As far as I can understand, it's because gender acts a shorthand for various biological factors (testosterone among them) but is also abstract enough from these various factors that you can set up a division while still allowing a large spectrum of capability.

GnomeSlice

Yeah testosterone is a thing, at the very least this is equivalent to doping

Yuuki

If testosterone is the concern, then divide competitions by testosterone concentration rather than gender.

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice You're the one who linked that article. And sure, being upset about stuff in general is OK, but being upset with a minority group being accommodated fairly is called bigotry

@Yuuki The article explicitly says that the division between genders, at least in the weightlifting competition they described, is based on testosterone concentration

Lazers 2.0

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Q: FML appears to be missing any signature data. This is not a good thing (1)

I installed Forge (1.8.9-11.15.1.1722) server (with Sponge 1.8.9-1691-3.1.0-BETA-1046). The host (running Debian) is headless, Minecraft starts correctly, but then it always sends me back to the launcher and says "GAME CRASH An unexpected error has occurred and the game has crashed. We are sorry...

minecraft-server minecraft-forge

Yuuki

9:19 PM

@murgatroid99 Then I don't see how the testosterone doping argument/concern is tenable.

murgatroid99

@Yuuki It looks like the fallback argument in the article is "they developed with testosterone, and that development persists after the testosterone concentration changes"

But, of course, if you bring that into the argument, you open it up to any other developmental differences people might have experienced

Sterno

@StrixVaria The two times I ever tried I couldn't get anyone to give me even a rough estimate, or even tell me who I'd need to talk to to do that

GnomeSlice

@murgatroid99 Yeah, so? It's the sorry I'm concerned with

story

MBraedley

in Overwatch, 1 min ago, by MBraedley

Just got head hunted by a Montreal firm. Unfortunately, not interested in relocating right now. I loved my summer in Montreal.

Dragonrage

@ash, i require your assistance with a matter of english composition if you have a moment

MBraedley

9:21 PM

Because I'm too lazy to copy all the text.

GnomeSlice

@Yuuki there are more factors between men and women than testosterone

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice OK, if you don't necessarily endorse the author's perspective, why are you concerned about it?

user15026

@Dragonrage what's up?

Dragonrage

would it be "Which lanes is Annie best suited to?" or "Which lanes are Annie best suited to?"

im leaning to the latter

for reference

GnomeSlice

@murgatroid99 because the winner had an unfair advantage

murgatroid99

9:23 PM

@GnomeSlice So what? There are also differences between tall people and short people. But we don't split many sports by height. There are differences between heavy people and light people, but we don't divide many sports by weight. There are differences that aren't easily measurable directly that aren't gender-related, and we don't divide based on those.

GnomeSlice

an average dude is stronger thab an average woman

granted theres nothing average about weightlifters

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice I think we're going in circles, a little. What makes this advantage due to inherent body characteristics unfair compared to other advantages due to inherent body characteristics?

user15026

@Dragonrage that whole structure is awkward. Why not "Which lanes are best for Annie?"

Dragonrage

that seems logical. this is why i asked the expert

Sterno

If there are no actual differences between male and female in terms of suitability to the sport, why have mens vs womens divisions?

GnomeSlice

9:25 PM

idj I guess it's just a new advantage, short people dont become basketball players there were insurmountable boundaries, and now women have a new one to face

idk*

@Sterno It's silly in stone and not others. american football should have it. soccer not so much

some*

powerlifting for sure

murgatroid99

@Sterno That premise kind of comes out of nowhere. Nobody in this conversation said that there are no actual differences between men and women in terms of suitability to a sport.

Sterno

@murgatroid99 You seemed to be saying testosterone was the only one that mattered

GnomeSlice

Sorta sounded like it to me

Sterno

But I'm coming into this late

and I also have to go!

so just ignore me

Yuuki

The issue with using gender as a dividing factor is that you can't extricate it from its social context. You can go on and on about how "average male is stronger than average female" and how various gender differences factor into physical differences. But gender is a key factor in our identity as well so when you say that someone shouldn't compete in a gender division because of <X reason> you are also denying a part of their identity even if that's not your explicit goal.

murgatroid99

9:29 PM

@Sterno I didn't say that

Unionhawk

@Yuuki But fuck you if it is your goal (not accusing anyone here just a general statement)

murgatroid99

@Yuuki Also, "the average male is stronger than the average female" is a weak argument. Both of those distributions are quite wide.

Yuuki

I view my gender as a bigger part of my identity than how much testosterone I have in my body or how many twitch muscles I have or whether I have a higher concentration of hemoglobin in my blood. I, personally, would be perfectly fine with sports segregating on those factors. But it's becoming increasingly clear that gender is no longer a viable dividing factor.

Frank

Due to the bad faith edit and our existing policy for id questions with post-closure screenshots, I am voting to re-close and delete this question. — Frank 3 mins ago

murgatroid99

I think it's true that if we stop dividing sports by gender, then some sports such as weight lifting will become predominately male. But we already accept that basketball is predominately tall people, and gymnasts are mostly light/thin/short.

In other words, we already know that some physical characteristics make people more or less competitive in certain sports. It's not unreasonable to consider that secondary sex characteristics are simply additional such characteristics

Dragonrage

9:38 PM

murgatroid99

@Dragonrage Usually, the ones on exams are shorter and/or more leniently graded

Chippies

@murgatroid99 fat people gymnastics actually sounds like it would be fun/impressive to watch. We're all used to skinny fit people being great at that stuff, so it's not as impressive

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Can the Giant Horse die?

Once tamed, can the Giant Horse die like any other horse? If it does: Will it respawn in its original area? Or will it be lost forever?

zelda-breath-of-the-wild

murgatroid99

@Chippies But this kind of brings up the original problem again: where do you draw the line? And wherever the line is drawn, it's likely that the fittest, skinniest people on each side of the line will be competitive

Chippies

@murgatroid99 and that's the problem with competitive sports in general. Eventually in any sports category someone will find the most suitable type of people and those people will dominate the sport category

murgatroid99

9:42 PM

@Chippies I think in some cases, like weight classes in combat sports, there's enough variance independent of weight that the whole span of the weight class is viably competitive

Chippies

maybe the scores could be raised/lowered based on the stats of the people participating

so a skinnier person would get a score reduction and a chubby person would get added score

murgatroid99

@Chippies I think adding calculations like that would make the competition more arbitrary than fair

Chippies

or whatever the division is in (height, weight, testosterone levels)

Yuuki

We should just divide sports on the spectrum of affinity to Friday.

murgatroid99

It's hard to do that without simply weighting the advantage towards one end or the other

Chippies

9:44 PM

@murgatroid99 I didn't say it was perfect, but neither is the current way

at the very least, it would mix things up for a while until someone finds a way to exploit it

murgatroid99

@Chippies My point is that adding calculations like that adds an additional thing for competitors to min-max that's outside of the actual competition

Unionhawk

I mean that already happens in weight class fighting sports to an extent

Yuuki

@murgatroid99 Yeah, various Olympic sports already have this thing with difficulty weights (diving, ice skating, etc.). I'm not sure if it's a concern or actual problem, but sometimes I wonder if the system favors an athlete performing a low-difficulty routine consistently over an athlete risking spotty performance on a high-difficulty routine.

Unionhawk

@Yuuki a lot of times (some times anyway) this is balanced by "choose best score of several or a couple runs"

Yuuki

Or vice-versa, I guess.

Kevin van der Velden

9:51 PM

We should just not play sportsball

Yuuki

Competitive movie watching, go!

murgatroid99

Well, competitive video games is a real thing

Lazers 2.0

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Q: What does those signs mean League of Legends

I can guess, that they have something common with wards. But what is it? Can enemies see me thanks to it?

league-of-legends

badp

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/…

Smartass Compares Brexit to Losing WW2

Yuuki

i.imgur.com/HBTqb76.gifv

user15026

10:01 PM

@Yuuki That actually looks like a pretty decent cheesecake

Yuuki

@badp So the argument is basically "we gave Germany a pass for being Nazis, so you shouldn't make us pay a bunch of money to leave the EU"?

Unionhawk

Yussssss

7.1.2 beta for Nexus 6P has fingerprint gestures

(swipe down on fingerprint sensor to open notification tray, option in wherever "Moves" is I used search)

Yuuki

WHO HURT YOU?!

badp

@Unionhawk but does it have halved battery life?

I'm experiencing ridiculous battery drain

Unionhawk

Uh

Idk

badp

10:08 PM

At fast charging with the screen on I'm not getting any charge

A 40 minute commute got my battery all the way to 30%

Either the battery is fucked or…

It might be that the battery is fucked

Unionhawk

Yeah I'm not experiencing anything that absurd

user15026

@Unionhawk ooooh

user15026

@Unionhawk Me neither

RedRiderX

Automatic Bullseye MOVING Dartboard

►

Unionhawk

10:40 PM

I now possess a trailkeg

AKA a hydroflask growler and co2 pressurization system

Memor-X

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Q: Invisible Revisions

I got a notice a few moments ago which said an edit had been made to Cleansing User Passwords. Upon checking the revision I saw no differences: Of course this made me more curious, so I copied the revision source and pasted it into my text editor because the edit said 208 characters were add...

discussion edits design

^ we can't have nice things

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk going to brew some poison?

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice New ranged hero is going to be a cowboy?

Dragonrage

apparently i was overpayed once back in 2015 when i worked for the college i was attending, and they want their money back

or, at least they think they overpayed me

though i thought i that when i told them last time 2 years ago that they needed to show proof of overpayment, and they never replied that it was the end of it

Lazers 2.0

10:56 PM

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Q: How can i stop Steam checking for updates for an offline machine?

I copied my Steam folder from my laptop to my PC in my attempts to try and get some of my games to work offline. i followed this answer in regards to editing the loginusers.vdf file but when i went to try and see if it worked Steam went to search for an updates, failing to connect to the internet...

steam

MBraedley

@Memor-X wow, doesn't even show in the markdown comparison.

Dragonrage

i think statue of limitations for overpayment is 2 years though

MBraedley

@Dragonrage You might need to still be employed by them for them to take full advantage of the statute of limitations.

Memor-X

@MBraedley only if you look in something like the developer tools

Dragonrage

@MBraedley idk, i havent been employed by them for like 2 years

MBraedley

11:01 PM

@Memor-X well, at least there's that.

Lazers 2.0

11:15 PM

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Q: Does being upwind/downwind affect my ability to sneak up on horses?

While playing Breath of the Wild, I was trying to sneak up on a horse and noticed a few particles blowing the wind past me and towards the horse (I was upwind of the horse). I thought that the horses might be able to smell me because of that and shifted to the opposite direction, so that the wind...

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Dragonrage

11:31 PM

how exactly do hidden accounts work?

GnomeSlice

@Yuuki I think he might actually be a ghost dressed as a cowboy

"He'll take you to another realm"

damn, the new sparrow skin is lit

@Fluttershy @Yuuki

Fluttershy

Seems very Aloy-esque.

GnomeSlice

11:48 PM

Aloy?

oh

Memor-X

@Fluttershy i thought it was her at first

Lazers 2.0

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Q: What planes can have one wing? GTA V (PS4)

I'm working to create a mini series for my Youtube channel which includes removing landing gear, landing on building's, and flying with one wing. As no-one else on the internet seems to have this query and having limited time to test myself, I must ask for help here. What I need to know is (mainl...

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Q: Legal Game Emulation?

I would LOVE to play some old GBA, SNES, or N64 games on my pc. I considered emulation, but soon after realized that it is illegal to do so unless you get the ROM file straight from the cartridge itself and do not sell it. I considered Virtual Console, but unfortunately they do not have games tha...

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