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12:00 PM
@Nzall he prob is
collegehumor
 
@badp we do have full continuous backups of all the pcs =p
 
I would be excited about some of the new iphone stuff if it was anyone else besides Apple
But $150 earbuds from a company with a history of pricey but meh quality audio?
In other news, I plan on streaming more @Ori tonight.
RIP OrigamiRobot (I never knew ye)
4
 
I'm most likely going to go for a Pixel phone. I'm not paying 769 EUR for a phone
For that price I can get a GTX 1080 founder's edition
 
I HAVE FOUND WHERE THEY KEEP THE CARROTS
brb getting more carrots
 
12:16 PM
In the ground...?
It's not like a conspiracy or anything, we would have told you if you asked.
 
At work, we often have carrots put out in a bowl... where they're good for about 10 minutes and then they're dried out and crap
But now I found out where they keep them in the fridge so I raided the good carrots
 
#carrotgate
 
carrot genocide
 
@KevinvanderVelden they're getting encrypted too
Unless you have offline backups you're probably fucked
 
@badp good luck encrypting append only backups =p
The carrots have been genocided btw, #ripcarrotgate
 
12:21 PM
Oh man, I just realized that the price of TF2 buds is going to skyrocket now that there's going to be no supply in the real world either.
 
BTW, I have been looking for a game that played like Grepolis but without Microtransactions for a long time
and I think I found one
I just have to check tonight whether it continues adding stuff when it's not running
 
Hmm interesting
Not to play but to make something like that
First though my stack of 50 other games I want to make
 
I actually was so interested in a game like it I wanted to make one myself
downloaded Unity engine and everything
 
@KevinvanderVelden This sounds so stereotypical Dutch for some reason.
 
I mean, carrots are the colour they are as a gift to one of our kings some time back
 
12:33 PM
I liked grilled carrots but I am not so big on raw ones
 
They're delicious and crunchy
And much healthier than chips =p
 
@KevinvanderVelden Just a little bit.
 
Meh I have weird taste
 
maybe you aren't a bug but a rabbit instead?
 
@Derpy Clearly not. He's not fond of raw carrots.
 
12:42 PM
Guys, how do I tag a question about teaching to play videogames?
 
@Arperum Maybe modern, city rabbits prefer grilled carrots?
 
@Derpy Maybe
@Baskakov_Dmitriy What game? Are you sure it's on topic?
 
I mean any veggie grilled is great
Steaming also good
 
I want to teach my friend to play videogames, and am asking for an advice about where to start. I can tag it with "Portal", as I plan to use this game (as for now), but I don't think that it's really a good idea.
I am not asking about any game in particular.
Such questions were ok on RPG.SE.
 
They're not at gaming.se
Too discussion oriented for us
 
12:48 PM
Chat is a good place for this, though
 
OOOOOOH that Pearl Character Development
 
@arda yeah that was a good episode
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy This will be way too broad for the site and also mostly opinion. I think chat is your better option.
 
OK, then here's the text:
Hello! I have an aquintance who hasn't played any computer games, ever, and wants to learn them. Of course, there are no preferences yet, as there is no knowledge about games at all.
Where should I start teaching?

I plan to use Portal for that training, as it has a nice tutorial, controls are very simple, and also commonly used in most of the games as a basis (WASD, E to interact, mouse to use item in hand variously). I plan to simply let her know of those concepts and then let her complete the tutorial herself etc.
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy what's the question?
 
12:52 PM
Above
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy what is their age range?
 
22
My friend is 22
 
I don't know that Portal is a really great intro to gaming or to first-person movement.
The actual portal mechanics are mind-bending and can take time for even a seasoned gamer to wrap their head around.
I might start with Half-Life 1, which is really, really easy at the beginning and ramps up well.
You have a very long time to learn the controls of movement before there are any threats at all.
You could also go for Minecraft, which has the advantage that you can be in-game with him to help him.
 
Or her.
 
HL1 is good
 
12:55 PM
her
 
Whatever, advice is gender neutral.
 
Yes :p
 
THanks, I will download HL1 then.
 
Minecraft is probably a better introduction to first person movement
 
Minecraft is a pretty hard game actually.
You need to learn those recipes...
 
12:56 PM
Minecraft gets hard but you can ease into it at your own pace.
 
There's peaceful mode for that =p
 
Or let them watch some gameplay of various sorts of games and see if there is something that sounds interesting.
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Starting with an FPS is not the best choice usually, but portal has a slow pace and your friend is young, so it shouldn't be that bad. I'd start with an old game to keep expectations low, so that you can introduce them to more games without them considering the gameplay mechanics are odd or graphics are bad.
 
Hmmm. Ye, Minecraft in Peaceful is a good idea to learn.
 
Minecraft on Peaceful should be a good start to gaming too, or HL1
 
12:57 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Creative mode allows you to grab whatever.
 
@Arperum Creative mod is not really about gaming.
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy you should start with the basics. Dwarf Fortress seem more appropriate -_-
 
It's more about... Drawing?
@Derpy Damn you. ^^
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy You can still learn the movement stuff in it.
 
@Derpy Best advice!
 
12:58 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy maybe, but it helps get used to WASD and mouse usage
 
@StrixVaria It's p scary
 
Also consider non- first person games too.
 
^ Torchlight is good
 
Thank you for all that advice, it is all very good.
I think, I will download HL1 in my Steam Library, and fix my Minecraft server while watching my friend learning the basics of movement.
We will start with Peaceful in Minecraft, but it is still a bit advanced as it requires crafting and respective knowledge.
 
Also Trove might be good
plus it's free
 
1:00 PM
Obsidian devs recreated Mos Eisley from star wars I'm the unreal 4 engine: reddit.com/r/Games/comments/51ud3v/…
 
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Q: Minecraft Galacticraft oxygen to Mekanism oxygen

John KlubertanzI can't find a way to use a Galacticraft oxygen collector to fill a Mekanism machine with oxygen. Is there a way I can do this with these mods? If not, are there any other mode that can help do this?

 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy I don't think you need to do crafting unless you want to
Just start with movement
 
@twobugs What to do in the game then?
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy learning, building
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Walk around, explore.
 
1:02 PM
play on creative
 
That kind of spatial awareness needed is a learned skill
 
Minecraft is all about advancing further in crafting (as I see it)
 
Survival, yeah
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy It's also very much about exploring the world.
 
1:02 PM
It doesn't have enough content (without mods) to go without crafting
 
Well, or building bigger stuff
 
Creative is about exploring and building
 
Exploring what?
Finding one of the 3 dugeons?
 
the randomly generated world
 
*dungeons
BTW, here is my Steam profile. steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198005133377
Any other games that you see and find useful for learning to play games?
 
1:03 PM
There are infinite dungeons, mineshafts and the like. Sure, the stronghold count might be only 3 :p
 
Don't try to find a purpose in the game.
 
Any built-in purpose*
 
Play it as you want to play it (limited by game though, but still)
 
Is she interested in the idea of shooting people up for the purpose of the game? If not: don't go into shooters at all.
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy not in vanilla, that's about 15 minutes of gameplay =p
 
1:04 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Dungeon Defenders is pretty easy to learn and fun at low levels
it gets hard enough end game that youll need seasoned groups but I got like 400 hours out of it without doing much of that
 
Also: things like tetris.
 
@GnomeSlice Agreed. Will download it.
 
Maybe a walking simulator?
Like Firewatch?
 
@Yuuki Proteus
 
@Yuuki Why not a goat one?
 
1:06 PM
@Derpy You hate people.
 
Maybe try Super Mario?
the original nes one?
 
@arda bit dated
 
Hey don't do Dungeon Defenders unless you want this person to hate games :P
 
@GnomeSlice I always wanted Dungeon Defenders without loot etc. So you have balance like in TF2, and fight harder bots.
@twobugs Oh why?
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Also Sanctum. TD again but has the FPS perspective
 
1:07 PM
@Arperum Not exactly my genre, but most people seemed to like the Goat Simulator game.
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy I just think it's a bleh game
 
The only other one you have that I'd recommend is Helldivers @Baskakov_Dmitriy
 
@Derpy Might not be the easiest thing ever to control.
 
And NES Mario is a lot harder than most people remember
 
@GnomeSlice great for getting into platformers and improving the ability to convert your input to character
 
1:08 PM
Not sure how it plays on keyboards though
 
Anyway, seriously, @Baskakov_Dmitriy - any clue about a preferred genre?
 
@GnomeSlice I think that is too much for a complete starter.
 
@Arperum Maybe solo, but should be okay with a seasoned partner
but yeah dundef is more friendly
 
@GnomeSlice When I played I got myself frequently confused. Especially when accidentally shot around by the other player.
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy are you looking exclusively for something you can play together?
 
1:10 PM
I did love the sniper in that game.
 
Because Castle Crashers
But anyway I'd probably start with minecraft
 
If you're looking at an FPS in your steam library go with Serious Sam, @Baskakov_Dmitriy. Those games will give you good FPS control if you don't already have it. You'll learn to move, aim, shoot, and do all three at the same time. She'd also learn how to prioritize different enemies.
 
@GnomeSlice Ye, Sanctum is wonderful. But not for the very start.
 
It might be a bit harder to hop into at first than a game like half life, but I think she'd wind up learning and refining all those core movement mechanics a lot quicker.
 
@Derpy Not really. My friend liked the concept of Portal. That's all.
 
1:13 PM
Portal is pretty hard to play
 
@Wipqozn Ye, good idea.
 
Especially if you're not used to first person gaming
 
Now, guys, why would it be a bad question for the main site?
 
opinion based, too broad
 
game rec
 
1:13 PM
also game rec
 
We didn't really have a lot of "discussion".
But OK. As you wish.
 
Questions asking for a list of games that fit a given criteria are off topic
 
Because we've been bouncing things back and forth for an hour
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy I suspect RPG.SE allows much broade and discussion/subjective questions than Arqade due to the very nature of your site topic.
 
Correction: 2 and a half hour
 
1:15 PM
@Wipqozn Hmm. I see.
 
oh hey, it's a friday!~
 
Thank you guys! Have to go now. Bye.
 
@Wipqozn I will! When I come home.
 
Excellent.
 
1:16 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Doooon't! SAVE YOURSELF
 
@Wipqozn y o u a r e a m o n s t e r
 
@arda I know
 
Ah, that video. I know it.
 
I still can't believe you suckers gave me a diamond
 
@arda we all know that the only reason he became a mod is to better be able to harvest users tears
 
1:17 PM
The trolling potential is so much greater
 
@Wipqozn I didn't!
 
@Wipqozn mails community@
 
@arda SE Team drinks more users tears than even mods
 
RONNIE 2016
 
Well
I am russian.
You can't really shock me with a video.
You know meatspin?
Hello.jp
jpg
 
1:18 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy challenge accepted
@Baskakov_Dmitriy pls
 
Hello.jpg
1guy1jar
 
pls
 
Even that didn't shock me. ^^
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy It's not about shocking. We just troll each other by tryin to get folks to click to that movie. Well, more like it's me and two other users who try to do that...
 
this is not the place to talk about that
 
(BTW, hope that I don't get banned for mentioning all that)
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Well, this is the bridge after all, where people get banned on a whim
Or by accident
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy well just mentioning it isn't a problem. Just don't describe what they are or link to them.
 
@Wipqozn
 
will I get to use my 10k powers? noone knows!
 
1:19 PM
@Wipqozn YOUR WEEK OFF IS ALMOST OVER
 
@Sterno I know :( It's gone by waaaaay too fast. Which is why I now take 2 weeks off at Christmas.
 
That sounds like a good plan
 
I manage to turn my 3 weeks into 4 weeks due to clever use of my vacation, as well as Overtime.
Whenever I take a week I make sure it's during a 4-day week, so I only use up 12 days.
With the remaining 3 days and Overtime i can normally turn christmas into 2 weeks
 
@Wipqozn That's impressive. Taking up 12 days for a 4 day week.
 
wtf is hello.jpg
 
1:21 PM
@GnomeSlice idk let me check
 
UGH
 
@GnomeSlice No clue. ANd I'd like to keep it that way.
 
Which is to say I take two 1-weeks, which take up 8 days, then the rest for 2 weeks at christmas. I derped.
 
Well now i know
 
oh, a name of another shocker
 
1:22 PM
@Wipqozn By the way, I got streaming to work for thief by just doing monitor capture. I assume you tried that for thief 2 but if not that might work
 
@GnomeSlice Blame yourself.
 
I managed to get 3 weeks + 2 weeks at christmas last year due to overtime.... but I think I may have actually messed my overtime up last year and didn't actually use any of it, so I basically just gave myself free vacation.
@Sterno yeah, I tried. What happens is it grabs my desktop fine, but when I maximize thief it all goes black.
 
@Wipqozn Wait? ANd you got paid? And your boss did not mind?
 
@Sterno NOPE not gonna work
 
1:23 PM
@Sterno Yeah, the video really helps too. Like it looks good in stills, but you don't see just how much better it is until you watch a video.
 
I RECOGNIZE THOSE LETTERS IN THAT ORDER MISTER
 
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Q: Can we increase overall dps by alternating with melee attack

Jim ThioIn overwatch we have melee attack. Mei's left hand punch cause the same damage as Genji's sword strike. 30 points. Each melee attack took about 1 second it seems. Okay, I know that if road hog runs out of ammo and then do hook, then it doesn't improves his overall dps. What happens is, after hoo...

 
@Arperum Yes. My boss did get an email that was a few days over my vacation, and he was like "be more careful next year, but meh, you work your ass off so I don't mind"
 
It's impressive how all of us are trained to recognise that url.
3
 
@Arperum I blame @Sterno
 
1:25 PM
@Wipqozn Fancy
 
@Arperum I've been very fortunate with all the bosses I've had in tech
 
@arda I blame @Fluttershy or @PrivatePansy. I can't remember which. Both, I guess.
 
This is the boss who got me a 25% so yeah, he's pretty great
 
@GnomeSlice Goatse
 
@KevinvanderVelden I can't sympathize with your bit9 problems, but my boss can. It drives him nuts.
 
1:27 PM
@Sterno I can't search haha, even the kfVsfOSbJY0 in search page triggers cats.
Sep 14 '12 at 12:58, by Sterno
@fbueckert I think you'll find this relevant.
 
Jun 1 '12 at 13:29, by Sterno
Hey guys! Guess what? It's Friday!
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy No. Just No.
 
@arda this does mean that I can't join if you name a room kfVsfOSbJY0 or anything in the trollvids array here :/
 
friday pub lunch always makes me feel better ^_^
 
@sequoiad try listening to some classical music, it should help you feel even better
 
1:35 PM
@arda nice try
 
@arda What if I get really terribly bad moods from classical music? What kind of crazy assumption is this?
(I don't)
 
(I do)
 
Not sure if it should buy the witness or continue to wait. Getting tempted though.
 
@Wipqozn I mean, your time off is running out. IT'S NOW OR NEVER
 
@Arperum it's also friday
 
1:39 PM
@KevinvanderVelden I know. I choose to ignore that knowledge.
 
May 12 '12 at 5:08, by Fluttershy
See? Fluttershy's fault.
May 12 '12 at 5:35, by Sterno
I need to start linking this video in here every Friday.
3.5 years ago, guys. I'm committed.
 
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Q: Are questions about NVIDIA GeForce Experience (in relation to games) on-topic here?

MC ΔTRecently I had a question about something in NVIDIA GeForce Experience, specifically about its function in relation to games, and was about to post it, when I realised I didn't know for sure if it was on-topic. The help centre states Game-specific hardware and utilities as allowed, but I...

 
@Sterno but that wasn't trolling with friday, that was just linking to it
 
Holy fuck has Friday been a thing in this room for that long seriously
 
@KevinvanderVelden And inventing the a-bomb wasn't the same as dropping it, but the genie was out of the bottle
 
1:46 PM
@Unionhawk it's been a thing here for longer than I've been here I think
 
Yup, @Fluttershy is 100% at fault for all Friday related trolling
 
@Unionhawk There was an entire year where I didn't do it, but others (cc @fredley, Archer is awesome by the way) picked up the mantle for me
 
Things are happening to my house, and they're loud, and so I can't listen to a podcast, and that makes me disappointed.
(The things that are happening are planned.)
 
Solution: Modulate the loud things to make the podcast noises
 
@Fluttershy did nothing wrong
 
1:47 PM
Guys, wait until you hear about the latest election gaffe
 
I wanna see a jackhammer modulated to play rammstein or something now
 
Clinton was on stage, right? And she coughed.
What a blunder!
 
@twobugs It just goes to show that Clinton and Trump are basically the same.
Just as bad as each other.
 
Cc @GodEmperorDune on how the sky is falling
@Ronan Trump would never cough
 
@Sterno Indeed it is.
 
1:49 PM
@twobugs Yeah, but he spends money to get out of lawsuits, which is basically the same thing so I don't know who I'd even vote for.
 
@Unionhawk This is going to blow your mind, but Friday has been around for thousands of years. IT's almost as old as @Sterno!
 
@Wipqozn The concept or song?
 
@Ronan Yes
 
I can't believe in 3.5 years that no one has added Friday to meme post
 
@Wipqozn Plus, you can stream it and then I can watch it at work
 
1:50 PM
@Sterno That's true
Otherwise you'd need to actually work. and that would be terible
oh mymother is calling me
 
Actually, my earphones will probably work better than my headphones.
 
@twobugs I am too busy being trolled into not sleeping all night
 
Indubitably.
 
@Ronan He's not corrupt! He is just playing the political game or something
 
Baby: 2 dad: 0
 
1:51 PM
@GodEmperorDune Excellent
 
@twobugs Just as bad as each other.
 
Now that I have to wake up in 10 minutes she is perfectly calm
Instead of screaming in my face
Can I buy the cheat code for this level?
 
@Ronan To be serious I have a lot of complaints with Clinton but "they're the same" bewilders me
 
@Wipqozn No regerts.
 
@Sterno well allowing you to slack off is a point in favour of the witness!
 
@twobugs Yeah I know, I disagree with lots of things, but none of them are irrecoverable damage to the entire world things.
 
meh, not ideal, but workable. Maybe music instead of podcasts.
 
> Storage space maxed out? No problem. macOS Sierra can help make more room by automatically storing rarely used files in iCloud and keeping them available on demand.
 
@Sterno I was going to make a Trump joke, then Ib ooted the video and that was the joke
 
that sounds like a TERRIBLE idea
 
1:54 PM
@Ronan Yup
 
first there is bandwidth, then there is roaming, then there is icloud hacks
 
Also why is the parenting.se answer to "should my newborn need to be fed hourly or sooner all night?" "Lol yes"
 
I'm pretty hyped for Dishonored 2
 
@Sterno same
 
@Sterno Me too
I hope you can still stop time because that is the best power
 
2:02 PM
I hadn't realized the guy who voices Corvo is the same guy who voiced Garret in Thief
> In another, time distortion is introduced as the player traverses an abandoned mansion in ruins. The player is given a device that lets them glimpse into the past, where guards roam, and at-will shift into it.
insta-buy right there
Oh, maybe that's just in Dishonored 2 with the voice actor. I can't even find one listed for the first game. Did he never talk?
 
Stopping time made it the perfect JoJo game
 
@Sterno no, silent protag
 
@Sterno Not that I recall
The WoW companion app is cool but it destroys my battery
 
No voice acting but I think he had conversation choices? It's been a while
 
@twobugs I check in on it every two hours or so. It's really not a constant-use sort of app.
Particularly since order hall missions take a minimum of 2 hours.
I just sorta mark down when an order hall mission is supposed to end and then check on it then.
And look at world quests while I'm at it.
 
2:08 PM
Too many good games. I think even if I were unemployed and had no kids I'd never get to them all
 
@Sterno Yes
 
@Yuuki yeah, but I can deal with that
 
@Sterno Yea, I need someone to start paying me to play games to my own desire.
 
at least it means I'm not falling behind on the order hall missions (like I did with Garrisons) by not playing for 8 hours a day
 
I like that WoW decided that MMOs don't already have enough of a time sink while you're at the computer, so they have mobile apps now to make sure you're constantly checking in no matter what you're doing.
 
2:14 PM
I wish they had it in WoD when garrison missions were worth something
 
PANIC AVERTED
apparently some student worker moved our project to another drawer?
 
they scaled back the missions pretty heavily in Legion so you aren't missing much, except for the class campaign missions
 
@SonofaSailor yes, it would have made Wod's Garrison-focus a lot more palatable
 
Half the times I was logging into WoD it was just to cycle my missions, cuz free gold
 
well time for thief 2
 
2:16 PM
like if you can only play 2 hours a day, in WoD that meant you realistically could only do 1 set of missions a day
 
> I then instructed them to run an ipconfig /flushdns. As soon as they ran this command, they made a noise on the other end of the line, stated that the command made their computer start smoking, and then they disconnected the call.
 
TIL ipconfig /flushdns sets your computer on fire.
 
@Yuuki Right, but I have to totally kill the process or it will be my top battery consumer
@Sterno Nah, it's just nice to check things
Honestly they should probably time gate more in Legion, hitting 110 is initially overwhelming
 
That new Overwatch map looks fun
 
2:26 PM
Oh right, Overwatch.
 
Not sure when I'll get back to that.
 
Someday
 
I blame @Wipqozn
 
It is quite fun.
 
I don't know what "fun" is but I have a feeling I dislike it
 
2:41 PM
Man Thief 2 is so much fun. It must really suck to be at work not playing a Thief game.
 
@PrivatePansy ^ here above you can see Fluttershy after she tries buck-ball for the first time and then on the train, when she realize that she don't like "the zone"
for this purpose, train-Fluttershy will be played by this pair of bug we found here on the wall
 
I don't want to do more work.
 
I'm pretty sure @twobugs is @OrigamiRob come back because he regretted leaving but too prideful to admit it.
 
And I've never seen @twobugs and @OrigamiRobot in the same room together...
 
@StrixVaria Sounds plausible, except that they have a different voice.
 
2:48 PM
Yeah, voice match is not confirmed.
 
Your voice recognition software is just racist against both robots and bugs
 
Yeah
 
You should rename to @twohugs
 
@twobots?
 
@StrixVaria I never interacted with him but I will assume this is a compliment
 
@KevinvanderVelden Oh hai there theory of me being a robot. Haven't seen you in a while.
 
imo best gradea in a while
 
@Arperum better/worse than being literally me?
 
@KevinvanderVelden Significantly better.
 
@Arperum so you want us to bring back the robot theory?
 
2:54 PM
wait
origami robot was one
twobugs is two
 
@arda This guy's voice makes me want to punch him.
 
can't think of a punchlinr
 
@Sterno I just opened a door and it glithced into non-existence
 
@Sterno that's why some people watch him. He was a sound that can't sound serious
 
@Wipqozn MASTER OF SHADOWS
 
2:55 PM
Okay, time to start cleaning up for the weekend
 
Happened again when I relaoded. Weird.
 
I'll solve this issue with dynamic servlet names on Monday
In case any of you want to take a shot at it:
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Q: Struts2: Servlet property with dynamic name

NzallI have created a custom Dojo 1.9 widget that is intended to be a one-size-fits-all combobox where I can insert any dojo widget with a drop-down declaratively, so in my jsp page. This is an example of a dojo Combobox that I'm hoping to replace with this Widget: <div data-dojo-type="dojo/store/Me...

 

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