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5:00 PM
What's wrong?
 
His entire career is stealing from people, and he inherited his fortune to begin with
 
@MBraedley tortoise hg is fantastic, my condolences for still being on SVN
@Wipqozn you don't understand, the judge is a "hater"
 
@GodEmperorDune A Mexican't hater!
 
Trump owes at least $100 million to a foreign bank. That’s a big problem if he becomes pres http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/trump-german-loan-deutsche-bank https://t.co/zOCiVUga8F
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@twobugs also the media is very dishonest. this guy right here, he's a real sleaze. super sleazy in my book
@TimStone as much as i like mother jones, they are not the most objective of sources
 
5:03 PM
Yeah, but I doubt there's anything fishy about it
 
also trump doesn't make money from real estate, he makes money from licensing out his "brand" to tons of stuff, like a real life krusty the klown
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Him owing $100 million isn't odd for a real estate developer, it's just bad for a public official
 
Why?
 
@TimStone oh for sure
@Waterseas someone can say "we'll knock a few million off if you do X"
 
@GodEmperorDune This is such a fantastic comparison. THank you for making it.
 
5:05 PM
Meh, not any different than lobbying
 
no one said lobbying was okay
 
I agree
 
@Waterseas asking for things to happen in exchange for money is not lobbying, its bribery (specifically "quid pro quo") and it is illegal. lobbying is less so
 
Okay
So then its illegal
And thus isn't an issue since there's a law against it?
 
@GodEmperorDune I'd rather vote for Krusty
 
5:07 PM
@twobugs yeah me too
 
Also wow the Lotame site is terrible. It seems that every single link on the site is linked using javascript, so you can't open links in a new tab.
 
Lobbying isn't inherently bad. It can serve to get attention and changes for smaller groups that don't have substantial democratic power
 
that's like "not making a terrible ass website 101"
 
Indeed
 
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5:08 PM
@Waterseas It's a problem if you control the Department of Justice, which the President does
 
@murgatroid99 yeah i was conflating lobbying with the "go easy on me regulators and you'll have a cushy job when you leave" which is a separate problem
 
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@TimStone Except he's just as bribable as any other
 
Not again. Someone please reset @badp.
 
mod candidates, who promises to patch @badp properly if they win?
 
5:08 PM
He's been breaking down a lot lately. MAybe it's time we traded him in for a newer model.
@newp
 
We should just reformat @badp
 
@Waterseas I think the point is that having substantial debts makes you more susceptible to bribery
 
He's due for a memory wipe
 
uni@bridge $ sudo restart service badp
 
Sure, but you could use the same argument to say having a lower income makes you more susceptible to bribery @murgatroid99
 
5:09 PM
@Waterseas ...Not at all
 
@murgatroid99 and things that are not outright bribery, like "do X or we'll raise your interest rate or make the money due sooner"
 
Why not?
 
Having lower income and owing money are two different things
 
Indeed
But someone with 10 dollars is going to be easier to bribe than someone with a million dollars
 
If you're talking 10 million dollars as the bribe?
 
5:10 PM
@Waterseas the president collects a salary in office, after office they can make a ton of money with books, speeches, and whatnot
 
That's not gonna matter.
 
That's not true at all @twobugs
 
iirc even obama is not allowed to accept free meals when he goes to a restaurant
 
I don't know what to say then. I think you're making a very ridiculous comparison here
 
there is a guy in his entourage with a lot of cash that pays for all of it
 
5:11 PM
I think that looking at owed money in a prospective presidential candidate is very ridiculous, especially since there's so many other terrible things about the same candidate to choose from that make a lot more sense
 
Money owed is important in this case because it directly relates to the image he is trying to sell.
 
How so?
 
right, and he still won't release the taxes, even though the IRS told him to stop using them as an excuse
 
He's trying to pitch himself as an extremely successful and savvy businessman who is a self-made man
 
@twobugs self-made*****
 
5:13 PM
@twobugs self made after a small loan of $20 million
 
The fact that he owes more money than the average American will see in their lifetime is huge.
 
Confused what loans have to do with that
 
*****: small loan of a million dollars
 
Because 1) he's not self made 2) (this is a broader point) he's not as successful as he claims
 
@ardaozkal i don't remember the exact figure, but inflation has increased it
 
5:14 PM
yeah
 
Show me a business person that hasn't used loans?
*Successful business person
 
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying he took a huge loan from his father.
 
@Waterseas no one is saying he shouldn't use loans, we are saying he should resolve those loans before running for president
 
He inherited a ton of his resources
 
That's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand @Twobugs
 
5:15 PM
He is not a self-made man
 
The topic at hand is the foreign loans that he has
 
Well I feel like you're very, very loosely defining the topic at hand
Ah, okay
I misunderstood
 
I figured, tis fine
 
Having foreign loans like that means he is literally beholden to those foreign interests
That's explicitly different from what he claims.
 
 
5:16 PM
He's not beholden politically, he's beholden financially
 
@Waterseas That's not really an important distinction
 
Money is politics
 
@Waterseas right, the danger is that they pressure financially to get things politically
 
Sigh
Again, that's doable to anyone regardless of whether loans are a thing or not
 
Look at it this way, he's talking about trade deficits as money owed
Which isn't how it works
 
5:17 PM
@Waterseas But this is a key part of his argument
 
He actually owes money to foreign interests.
Which is actually how owing money works
 
The argument isn't about whether he's qualified or not @Unionhawk
 
He can't put America First (tm) if he owes money to The Other Dudes
 
@Unionhawk that's more along the theme of he has no idea about things and makes shit up to fill the gap
 
I dunno why you say that @Twobugs
 
5:18 PM
Because loans are Actually Important.
 
yes
 
I'm going to increasingly use Capitalization for emphasis.
 
That statement doesn't mean anything, unless you intend to elaborate on it?
 
I mean... loans and debt are a significant driver of our current world economy
 
The fact that owing something to a foreign power implies that that foreign power has influence over your actions seems pretty self-evident to me
 
5:20 PM
@Waterseas he doesn't like foreigners, but he owes loads of money to them
 
Not when living expenses are still provided for regardless of how in debt the person is @murgatroid99
 
I don't know what dimension you're objecting to this on so I don't know where to begin engaging your argument
 
@ardaozkal given his past actions, its more likely he doesn't like ANYONE, but he makes a few exceptions for some "great people" he knows
 
> The words 'I noticed' have a powerful subconscious effect on people because they send a subliminal message to them that they stood out in the crowd, that they are attractive or charismatic or that they impressed you," the playbook continues. "People love recognition and attention.
 
@Waterseas ...what
I'm sorry what
 
5:21 PM
@Waterseas Debt still has power. It doesn't suddenly become meaningless if you just decide not to pay it off for a while
 
Hold on
 
And I dunno why you're justifying this as an argument against him so hard when there's so many better arguments against him
 
He has a vested interest in not enforcing regulation against business interests. This is true for anyone, which is why those interests are disclosed, so we can gauge how the public interest stands up to their personal interest.
 
Nope, you have lost me
 
@Unionhawk Presidents have a stipend, separate from their income as a president, for living expenses
 
5:21 PM
Right, yes
I don't think you understand how much a hundred million is
 
I do indeed
 
And how much the president is actually paid
 
It's about 3% of Trump's net worth
 
*An extremely generous valuation of Trump's net worth
 
@Waterseas claimed net worth
 
5:22 PM
His net worth includes like 7 bn intangible
fluctuating on his own mood
 
@GodEmperorDune His claimed net worth is over 10 billion
 
Depending on how much he thinks his name alone is worth as a brand
 
His calculated net worth is over 4 billion
 
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This is not about an ability as much as it is about a need
I don't care if he can or not, I care if he does or not
 
5:24 PM
Can/does what?
 
I'm worth at least 17 trumps
 
Anyway, the point is not that the loans somehow disqualify him from being a politician, they just make him a potentially riskier politician, on top of everything else
 
he's also claimed that his properties are worth X, then when disclosing them to the govt for tax purposes, appraises them as much much less
 
If he has a debt that he can pay off and doesn't pay off, that's significant in and of itself.
 
@twobugs That's not how debt works
 
5:24 PM
If you disagree, I think we're just not going to see eye to eye here.
 
@TimStone So why don't we make a requirement of all presidential candidates to not be in debt?
 
@Waterseas How does debt work, then?
 
@Waterseas Why would we?
 
Politicians lie. Lies that can be easily identified is the problem.
 
@twobugs this could make sense though. Mortgages have penalties for early repayments
 
5:25 PM
If you mention sovereign debt I am going to slap you very hard
 
Implied risk is just a data point for consideration, like a ton of other things
 
@Timstone Because multiple people here are making the argument that being in debt makes someone a bad presidential candidate due to risk of bribery
 
@badp I should use this to trick people into voting for me as site moderator.
 
If it's that big of an issue, why not prevent it?
 
@badp If he is worth eleventy billion dollars he can pay off a penalty
 
5:26 PM
that is on top of the fact that inflation should be a thing, so you want to repay your debt as late as possible
 
Man Makes Zootopia LEGO Statue, Child Destroys It In Seconds: http://bit.ly/1XOGaG0 https://t.co/JBHhV0ba9B
 
@Twobugs Exactly what badp has been saying while I've been responding to Tim
 
@badp depends on the interest rate vs inflation and opportunity costs, etc
 
@Waterseas It makes them a potentially worse presidential candidate than someone with less vested interests for reasons that can but do not have to include direct bribery (which is more unlikely because that's pretty blatant)
And that's pretty much it
 
@GodEmperorDune I dunno about opportunity costs, but $1M today is literally more than $1M paid over 12 months starting today
 
5:28 PM
@TimStone So my point is then, why draw attention away from all the really terrible things about trump with this incredibly minor, and completely subjective thing?
 
@badp thats assuming a no interest loan
 
@GodEmperorDune that is regardless of loaning or interests
 
@Waterseas It's not really subjective? But you've decided that it's somehow drawing attention away for yourself, that's on you
 
@Waterseas because an argument that you like is about 3× more powerful to you than one you don't, with everything else being equal
 
@Timstone No, it draws attention away from those who are ill-informed or or on the fence
 
5:29 PM
so you don't want to hold any punches
after all Trump isn't above making shit up
 
The whole thing is completely subjective
 
Donald Trump is dangerous. And anybody who questions that does not understand that he can take a coconut in one hand and crush it.
Wait that's a gorilla
 
@Waterseas …Did you poll them?
 
It's basic psychology
 
Did they even read the article?
Who knows?
 
5:30 PM
We find this to be a significant argument, and others might too.
 
wat
 
There is not an objective "argument power level"
 
@twobugs if there is, the "hater" judge must be over 9000
 
I think it's important that Donald Trump owes a significant amount of money overseas. You might not. That is not the end of the world. I am able to dislike Trump for more than one reason.
 
not related to trump, but i know a person that uses credit cards to pay off his other credit cards.
 
5:32 PM
@twobugs we have so many reasons, we have the best reasons
@Dragonrage that works short term but will bite you in the ass long term
 
user4704
@Dragonrage I think that's more common than it should be :|
 
user4704
I know a few people like that.
 
That's...
:\
 
I don't know what the point of a credit card even is to be honest
 
Credit cards are odd
 
user4704
5:33 PM
And some people who are in collections with various, e.g., internet service providers because they just stop paying them
 
other than paying online I guess?
 
@badp It's for me to earn 3% cashback
 
and as someone suffering from shooting themselves in the foot financially years ago and still dealing with it, it sucks. in a household budget you have to fix your income vs expenses, there is no other way
 
@Badp so that people can buy things that aren't within their means at the time
 
I mean, the benefit is often cash back
 
user4704
5:33 PM
@badp In the US, credit cards have better consumer protections than debit cards.
 
Also yes
 
@JoshPetrie very true
 
user4704
Sometimes they also have reward programs that can fit well into particular lifetimes.
 
The entire credit system exists solely for me buying stuff from Amazon
 
he has his own company, so he can get credit cards with pretty high limits, and he only pays the minimum due on it
 
5:34 PM
@badp security mainly.
 
Thanks everyone
 
y/w
 
@twobugs you're welcome?
 
user4704
In college I had a card that earned airline miles and it was enough to save me the cost of two or three trips home.
 
Never pay just the minimum due
 
5:35 PM
@Dragonrage i hope he runs his company finances better than that
its usually a bad idea to mingle personal money and business money
 
@GodEmperorDune i think it is a sole proprietor
so his personal money and business money are basically the same thing
 
@Dragonrage that promotes lazy accounting, imo
 
I do agree that there is much worse stuff Trump has done
 
but if he can make it work, good for him
 
like Trump U
 
5:38 PM
@twobugs or the trump vitamins
or any of the other trump pyramid schemes
 
Many of Trump's discarded building projects that were built on or heavily subsidized by taxpayer dime
@GodEmperorDune Is this
No, wait, don't answer that
 
@GodEmperorDune he is convinced that he will never have to pay off his debt, and continue to just pile it up, he has been doing it for about 3 years now i think. hopefully he doesnt leave his debt for his kids (if he ever has any) to pay off
 
@Dragonrage Any talk of bankruptcy?
 
@Dragonrage Uhhhhhhh
Yikes
 
@twobugs basically you would mail the company a urine sample and they would send you back custom vitamin supplements, (for a price of course)
@Dragonrage yeah that is a terrible way to run a business
 
5:40 PM
@Waterseas he hasnt yet, he thinks he can continue what he is doing fine
 
ppl are freaking out bc a lesbian couple is in Finding Dory but no one cared when a girl fell in love with a bee smh https://t.co/DBcBYI1TNj
 
> Some people are unhappy about a thing, but other people weren't unhappy about a different thing
 
Yeah, I feel like comparing interspecies love to homosexuality, even when both are simply fun animated movies, is a bit disingenuous
 
@Dragonrage it will work as long as his business keeps expanding. if growth slows or it starts to shrink, the debt will become a problem
 
user15026
5:43 PM
@ardaozkal If I had to guess it comes down to "lesbians are real, people falling in love with bees is more in the realm of fiction"
 
@ardaozkal would that make them puts on shades lesBEEans?
 
@AshleyNunn yeah. People liking weirder fiction than something that exists IRL is the actual weird part.
 
@GodEmperorDune you're fired
 
user15026
@ardaozkal Not really?
 
@ardaozkal People care more about real things than fictional things
 
5:44 PM
@AshleyNunn If I had to guess it comes down to "people making a dumb joke on twitter"
 
user15026
They can dismiss the bee thing as fiction and not deal with it ever
 
@murgatroid99 makes sense.
 
user15026
They can't avoid queer people forever, we're legion ;)
 
user15026
@Unionhawk That too :)
 
@Ardaozkal My big issue with that is that enough haters already use the interspecies slippery slope argument; no need to add fuel to that fire
 
5:45 PM
the replies are better than actual tweet
i swear, if i get one more reply to this with someone saying "BEEstiality"
@ninaryann @KiraSadboi no need to bee upset :^)
bee is the new mei
 
@ardaozkal wat
 
@ardaozkal this is not a thing
 
homophones and puns are a very old thing
 
@Waterseas what I'm saying is that both are in fictional worlds and people shouldn't care about either.
 
My 3 year old godson has managed to lock himself up in the toilet, and his father is losing his shit over it
 
5:47 PM
People think that if they make one pun it makes them a pun master.
 
@Nzall But the father is the one outside the bathroom?
 
@AshleyNunn I don't... is this...
 
@murgatroid99 yes, the godson managed to turn the key while he was alone
 
I should probably just stay out of this
 
5:49 PM
@murgatroid99 lol I was so tempted to say something similar to this
 
so for the past 5 minutes, his parents and mine were shouting through the door on how to unlock it
He's free now though
 
@Nzall it works both literally and figuratively :D
 
5 mins ago, by Unionhawk
@AshleyNunn If I had to guess it comes down to "people making a dumb joke on twitter"
 
and apparently, during all that time, he still hasn't done his business while he was locked
 
Wasn't he busy listening to instructions at the door?
 
5:51 PM
@Nzall So the son was not, in fact, losing his shit?
 
@murgatroid99 no, the father was losing his shit
 
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@Nzall I feel like this was a toilet joke, and if not, I am severely disappointed in @murgatroid99
 
@murgatroid99 you are fired
 
@murgatroid99 well played
 
5:54 PM
@Unionhawk I tried
 
You succeed
Also android keyboard socks
 
@Nzall ...godson?
 
@badp you know what a godfather is?
Not the mafia variant
 
godparent?
wat
Oh baptism stuff?
 
@badp non-religious, but same concept
 
5:59 PM
Emergency off-site backup parent.
Disaster Recovery Parent.
 
@Nzall so you were, uh, a witness on the birth certificate or something?
 
basically, the child has 2 uncles, and both of them are the godfather. But with my condition, my godfatherhood basically is limited to giving large presents at easter, christmas, Feast of Saint Nick and birthdays
 
Is my phone gramophone by chance?
 
@MadMAxJr well said
 
gnome phone uuugh
 
user4704
6:00 PM
It's the person who gives you better presents than all your other aunts and uncles, but worse presents than your parents.
 
@badp no, nothing truly official
like, I wasn't present when they wrote him into the state registry or anything
 
@JoshPetrie okay
 
They just visited me at one point and gave me a box of candy with the words "for the best godfather in the world
that was like a month or 2 before the birth
 
In my case, I'm in the will of the parents, so that legally their children come to me in case of their deaths.
 
It's an interesting term, because I associate godfather with crime family.
 
6:01 PM
I mean the same confusion is in Italian
 
The child has 2 uncles and no aunts, so they just gave 2 godfatherhoods
@MadMAxJr trust me, I did as well
 
godfather and godmother are respectively padrino and madrina
and so is the Mafia leader thing
 
But my bother didn't really approve of my suggestion to move to Italy and marry the daughter of a local maffioso
That was a joke
 
@NZALL IS IN THE MAFIA: DATA ACCEPTED
 
Dear lifehacks, I am now a godfather. How can I start my criminal enterprise effectively? I have a suit, dress shoes, $20 in cash, a garage, and a full set of Craftsman tools.
 
6:04 PM
I guess it is down to the religious elements in the Mafia
 
@Unionhawk IS A COP: DATA ACCEPTED
 
@MadMAxJr 1. Become an insurance company
 
> "Why antagonize?" Trump asked rhetorically. "Because I don't care."
Damn.
 
today in modrater promises that seem to be unfulfilled:
in Arqade 2016 Election Discussion, Jan 24 '14 at 3:05, by LessPop_MoreFizz
@StrixVaria I hereby promise that on day one, I will ban @JeffreyLin, Confuse @badp, and change @GnomeSlice's name to @SlomeGnice_The_Sex_Robot.
alternatively, @LessPop_MoreFizz is to blame for @badp's current state
 
badp is fine, just reboot him once a day.
 
6:08 PM
uni@bridge $ sudo service status badp
 
@GodEmperorDune You mean @Wipqozn won't change back to turtle even if we vote for him??
 
@Alok no he will, he might just change to a turtle and then to a lion
 
@GodEmperorDune Sneaky, he needs to promise a duration in his election manifesto
 
@Alok i left a nomment for such things, @Wipqozn ignored it
 
I have ideas of avatars or at least about me if elected but spoilers
 
6:10 PM
@GodEmperorDune I saw, but I can't upvote the comments on the nomination posts for some reason :(
 
@Unionhawk not a bad hostname
 
@Alok yeah nomments are not real comments
 
new hostname <3
 
@GodEmperorDune wow. I demand that @StrixVaria step down in his position as mod for this grave injustice.
 
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6:17 PM
@Wipqozn it was @LessPop_MoreFizz's promise
 
@GodEmperorDune Ignoring questions you don't want to answer is an important skill for any politician to have!
@GodEmperorDune Oh,well, @StrixVaria is guilty by association then. Somehow.
 
hey, wipqozn, man
did you forget your socks somewhere 2 days ago?
I don't know whose socks these are. Why would they leave without their socks. https://t.co/TabRpKySHV
 
Yeah, that didn't sound like something I'd write.
I was confused for a second too.
 
@fredley also sorta promised to limit his trolling
in Arqade 2016 Election Discussion, Jan 28 '14 at 13:48, by fredley
@OrigamiRobot Obviously, if elected I would hold back from things like that (although, there are no other things like that). I don't think this one case of a joke getting out of hand is indicative of my behaviour in general.
 
@GodEmperorDune That didn't work
 
6:24 PM
@twobugs nope
 
oh lordy I hate my job
They think they can just make us go from doing mon - friday 9-5, to mon - friday 6 - 11; to mon - sun with no break, 1 of 4 weeks
the wage isn't massively great either, and as I'm contracting I get none of hte benefits of actual permanent employment
 
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6:44 PM
Oh wow, two dead in a UCLA shooting spree
 
@twobugs oh shit
 
i think my top tags counter is wrong
 
The sad part is this will probably become a highly politicized thing
 
it says i have 21 posts in but i only count 17 answers, and i have more than 4 questions in the tag
 
6:47 PM
@twobugs its too early to tell
but obama said last time he would be pissed if it happened again
 
@Dragonrage I count 22 posts by search
 
and i'm sure trump will say something horrendous
 
17 answers and 5 questions
If that's the same on your end, caching
 
@GodEmperorDune "If we just killed everyone, there wouldn't be any more shootings"
 
@twobugs "we never had any shootings at trump U. its a fantastic school, the best school"
 
6:49 PM
@Unionhawk yea, same for me. must be a combination of caching and them changing the top tags to be the same thing as the mobile shows
 
I think it was Ben Carson who started making holocaust comments? That was something
I wonder if he crawled back into his hole of asshatery
 
He's just in charge of headhunting for Trump
Which I assume literally means tracking people down and cutting off their heads
 
He probably cuts open their heads and does brain surgery
 
internet is huge.
cc @Nzall
I've also encountered 3 people from Stacks (two from Arqade, one from Anime.SE) IRL.
 
@ardaozkal after all the stuff yesterday about not linking people's non-SE activity to their SE activity, you do it again? seriously?
 
6:55 PM
@GodEmperorDune I wasn't googling anyone.
 
@ardaozkal Whether you seek it out or it's just happenstance, drawing attention to it isn't necessarily what that person wants. It's creepy. You clearly haven't actually learned anything from that past incident.
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@StrixVaria alright. sorry.
 

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