The Bridge

fredley

8:00 PM

BURN THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND THE PROBLEM WILL GO AWAY #STANNIS

Frank

4 mins ago, by Frank

I think @Strix should just burn that ITG.

fredley

brb, kindling

Grace Note

Has anyone made news of the fact that LastPass was apparently hacked?

GnomeSlice

What is the big problem

@GraceNote Guess it's a good thing I never got around to using it yet then

murgatroid99

@GraceNote wait what

Unionhawk

8:01 PM

Hmm... fuck

Rapitor

EA conference start.

badp

@GraceNote ...huh.

Sterno

For the first few hits for that image in google, clicking the "visit page" link tells you the game name

badp

I'm using Keepass myself

Sterno

LastPass kinda sorta hacked

7

It doesn't sound super serious

Arperum

8:02 PM

@Sterno It's even better. He typed the name of the game when inserting his image in his post.

fredley

@Sterno They're really good at disclosure

It's my favourite thing about them

Sterno

@Arperum I realize that. I am addressing Gnome's point that he may not have known that was the game name rather than an "image name" or something

Rapitor

starting with Mass Effect 4.

Unionhawk

Okay so I'm probably okay

Maybe

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Not everybody is great at googling stuff.

Just because you think his question is silly and pointless doesn't make it invalid

Sterno

8:04 PM

@GnomeSlice Clearly he is. He found the image!

GnomeSlice

Whatever

Sterno

@GnomeSlice Likewise, just because a question is technically on topic doesn't mean it's awesome and we should try to protect it.

GnomeSlice

Also doesn't mean you should close and delete it.

Sterno

It was closed before the image was added. The real question now is whether or not it's actually worth reopening

GnomeSlice

@fredley deleted it.

Sterno

8:05 PM

Okay, awesome. I haven't been refreshing the page every 10 seconds. I'm still trying to have the old conversation with you instead of the new one about deletion.

GnomeSlice

Whatever

Sterno

That said, I'm okay with deletion, because clearly the guy already got his answer, and no one else could possibly be helped by that question.

GnomeSlice

that's not the point

fredley

@GnomeSlice What is the point?

What's the point in anything

Sterno

@GnomeSlice If your response to every counterargument is going to be "whatever", I don't see much point in discussing these things with you when you initially bring them up.

A: "Hey, guys, <X>!"
B: "What about <Y>?"
A: "Whatever."

Unionhawk

8:07 PM

It's like the squirt bottle we use with the cat.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno "I haven't been refreshing the page every 10 seconds either you smartass"

Frank

@Unionhawk Super soakers solve everything.

fredley

@GnomeSlice Please avoid name calling

GnomeSlice

Don't tell me what to do

fredley

The question is gone. There is no longer an issue.

Unionhawk

8:08 PM

@fredley I mean, he's not wrong

Sterno

NOW I HAVE TO ARGUE WITH FREDLEY

Rapitor

YAY DRAMA

fredley

*BANS EVERYONE*

Sterno

Disagreeing with a question being deleted and being told "It's not an issue now because it's been deleted" is circular logic and terrible. or something

Or did the user self-delete?

I'm too lazy to go find that question again

Frank

Anyone else want to read this answer? I don't see it being an answer, but another pair of eyes before I flag would probably be a good thing.

Unionhawk

8:09 PM

@Sterno Deleted by the @fredley

So

Yeah

Sterno

Whatever.

Unionhawk

@Sterno gtfo

fredley

@Sterno I deleted it, because it wasn't a question. Any other question containing the answer within the question would (rightly) be closed (and eventually deleted)

Sterno

@fredley I agree with you. What I don't agree with is saying it's not an issue because you say it's not an issue. Clearly to Gnome, it's an issue!

WHO ELSE CAN I ARGUE WITH?

GnomeSlice

@fredley It wasn't really "in the question", it was in the meta-data for his image, probably accidentally.

Frank

8:10 PM

@Sterno Usually, me, but this time, we're in agreement.

Sterno

@Frank is letting me down. I think getting a girlfriend softened him up or something.

Unionhawk

well this is hilarious

I can't copy the work I have currently

Frank

@Sterno The only reason I'm here right now is because I took a sick day!

fredley

@GnomeSlice Either way, the answer is in the question.

Unionhawk

This is absolutely hilarious

fredley

8:11 PM

@Unionhawk ur absolutely hilarious

Unionhawk

@fredley thanks m8

fredley

@Unionhawk npm8

Frank

@fredley And the user is well aware it's the answer.

GnomeSlice

is my butt really a butt

murgatroid99

@Frank I think it doesn't really answer the question, but it looks like it's an attempt at an answer, so I don't think it qualifies as NAA

Unionhawk

8:13 PM

@GnomeSlice not sure whether I should star and ignore your point or not

At least, I think you have a point

fredley

@GnomeSlice How can trousers be real if our butts aren't real?

Sterno

My daughter has reached an age where every time she farts, she thinks it's hilarious. And apparently I'm still at that age, because every time she farts, I think it's hilarious.

Unionhawk

@fredley Not Jaden Case, F Minus Minus

fredley

@Unionhawk UGHGHGHGHGHGHG

Frank

@murgatroid99 It's an attempt, but I'm not seeing anything in there that actually answers the question.

murgatroid99

8:14 PM

@Frank Right, what I'm saying is that if it's "an attempt", that's sufficient to make the NAA flag not apply

Unionhawk

Come On Man, It's Not Even That Hard To Do Jaden Case

fredley

LastPass servers are hosed, no MFA for me today :(

murgatroid99

@fredley I just did it

Frank

@murgatroid99 Does it?

fredley

@Unionhawk On A Mac You Can Even Apply It With A Keyboard Shortcut

Unionhawk

8:15 PM

What the fuck

Are you even

Why

murgatroid99

@Frank If you give me a minute I can find a source for that

Unionhawk

WHY

ASF:KLJSD:LTKUJRKL:HWLKHA:KLWHE

fredley

Frank

> This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question.

I guess the interpretation is whether attempting to answer, but not, counts.

fredley

@Unionhawk (It's called Title Case, it has uses outside internet philosophy/trolling)

Unionhawk

8:16 PM

@fredley No, title case is slightly different

fredley

@Unionhawk True

Unionhawk

Slightly

fredley

I never get which words aren't capitalised

SaintWacko

Small words

connecting words

Unionhawk

Small unimportant words

murgatroid99

8:17 PM

@Frank From what I've seen on meta, NAA is for the case where it doesn't even look like an attempt to answer, like "thanks" or "me too"

Unionhawk

Except when at the beginning or end of a title

fredley

Is 'from' small and unimportant?

Unionhawk

@fredley Pass

fredley

@Unionhawk quite

Unionhawk

102

Q: Which words in a title should be capitalized?

Are there any concrete rules that say which words (parts of speech) in a title should start with a capital letter? What would be a correct capitalization for the title of this question?

Frank

8:17 PM

@murgatroid99 I suppose it's in enough of a wonky area I'm willing to give it a pass.

Unionhawk

post 14 on ELU

BOOM

fredley

Prepositions shorter than 5 characters? That's a ridiculous rule

Unionhawk

@Unionhawk: 2, Mod Abuse: Infinity

@fredley I mean, it's English

So I'm pretty sure that means I get to blame you

murgatroid99

243

Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

discussion link-only-answers not-an-answer faq-proposed

Unionhawk

> Answers are just like that, but less tasty in pies.

Frank

8:21 PM

@murgatroid99 That just confuses it.

For me, anyways.

fredley

@Unionhawk What if the question is an apple?

Frank

It is an honest attempt to answer the question, from what I can see, but it completely misses the mark in actually doing so.

The question is an apple. It was answered with an orange.

Or a pear. Or something.

THIS ANALOGY IS FAILING ME!

Unionhawk

@Frank pls

user15026

Now I want fruit.

James

@Unionhawk Hmmm, Orange Pie?

Rapitor

8:23 PM

i want apple pie

Sterno

@Frank No. The question was asking how to best eat the apple (protip: see lifehacks for these kinds of questions) and the answer was describing what an apple is.

Rapitor

wellp. EA's conference so far has been.... horrible.

Frank

@Sterno Okay, that I agree with.

BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!

Sterno

If you don't know what to do, just ignore it.

Frank

@Sterno That was the plan. Then people kept responding!

Sterno

8:25 PM

That's because apples are delicious.

murgatroid99

@Frank I was just trying to give a source for what I said

Frank

Whatever. New action: Do laundry!

Unionhawk

7 mins ago, by Unionhawk

@Frank pls

So

Frank

@Unionhawk I don't know what my expected action is supposed to be for this.

Unionhawk

The feature environment I'm working in is using ActiveReports6. The DEV environment is on Active Reports 7.

This is hilarious.

Utterly hilarious

Frank

8:32 PM

@Unionhawk Better than attempting to update Crystal Reports where the data source uses windows authentication, and your dev machine is outside the domain.

James

Soooo what levels are everyone in the steam clicker today??

Unionhawk

@James 0 \o/

\o/

/o\

James

@Unionhawk You Fiend!

Frank

@James Just about to hit 200.

James

@Frank Kewl. I am fearful to go look at other people's games incase it disconnects me from mine :D

murgatroid99

8:33 PM

@James 94

James

(Had that happen once)

Frank

@James Psst. Use a different browser.

James

@Frank different tab/window/complete browser?

murgatroid99

If anyone wants it, there's a good bot that my friend pointed me to for the Steam clicker game

Sterno

Why would anyone bot that game?

Frank

8:34 PM

@James Or just use a browser to play the game, and Steam to go looking.

Sterno

All the sales will be unlocked.

Unionhawk

@Sterno Right?

murgatroid99

@Sterno they weren't yesterday

James

@Sterno Because they asked us to click em 25,000,000,000,000 times :P

Sterno

@murgatroid99 Well, since I was wrong on that one, let me try this one: Steam is trying to trick you into making you think they're doing you a favor by letting you give them your money

STOP CLICKING LIKE A MONKEY JUST SO YOU CAN GIVE STEAM MORE MONEY

murgatroid99

8:35 PM

The one that wasn't unlocked yesterday basically required bots, unless every single player clicked like 20,000 times that day

@Sterno I'm not buying the games anyway

Sterno

@murgatroid99 That makes it even worse.

James

Honestly most of the games they have given away on this sales area have been Meh

murgatroid99

I'm not stupid

Tim Stone

Mass Effect: Andromeda announce trailer. starts the Hype Train engines

Sterno

@TimStone LINK

Unionhawk

8:36 PM

@TimStone hype train brakes still engaged

Tim Stone

MASS EFFECT™: ANDROMEDA Official E3 2015 Announce Trailer

►

Unionhawk

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk DISENGAGE THE BRAKES MR. HAWK

Frank

@TimStone Not Metroid, not Kingdom Hearts.

James

I actually heard in the office here that Microsoft also had a good E3 announcement slate.. and EA's was looking pretty good

murgatroid99

8:37 PM

@Sterno Well, since the only outcome of playing this game (for each individual) is steam trading cards, I don't see what the problem is

Unionhawk

hype train brakes fail

Uh

Ok

Frank

It gets a resounding, "MEH", to pull from @Unionhawk's playbook.

Sterno

I don't know who that's a picture of

Unionhawk

This may be bad

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Red Dead Redemption x Mass Effect?

Unionhawk

8:37 PM

@Sterno Not anymore there aren't

Frank

Or Breath of Fire. Announce one of those, and I think I have myself my hype train.

Unionhawk

/r/pcmasterrace installed them at the beginning of this year in order to prevent a preorder hype train

But now E3 happened

Yuuki

Oh, is the Mako back?

Unionhawk

Aaaaand they're gone

James

Im looking forward to Fallout 4

Tim Stone

8:38 PM

@Yuuki Yeah

James

Looks like a skyrim level of game

Dishonored 2 also looks pretty good

Yuuki

Eh, really feeling meh about ME: Andromeda.

Sterno

I hope Andromeda lets me shoot the super baby

Tim Stone

GET OFF MY HYPE TRAIN

Unionhawk

@TimStone Uh, we can't actually let him off anymore, sir

Shall I just throw him off then?

Tim Stone

8:39 PM

Let, throw, same difference.

Unionhawk

throws @Yuuki off the Hype Train

Tim Stone

I'm glad we're on the same page.

James

Doom looked ok

I mean.. they were trying to show off their engine.. and they failed... in my opinion

Yuuki

(activates parachute and lands on the Fallout 4 Hype Train)

James

But it looked ok if I need a new shooter

Yuuki

8:40 PM

S'all right, I had the wrong ticket anyways.

Unionhawk

explosions

James

Haha

Right on @Yuuki that is the right hype train :)

Unionhawk

Whoa, that one-liner was so cool, something blew up

I hope it wasn't the bridge of dynamite EA routed this train over

That would be bad

Hopefully ME4 is not a trainwreck for the sake of several in the room

Not actually including myself

I should play Fallout. I have 3 and NV

inb4 @LessPop_MoreFizz tells me how terrible I am

Tim Stone

I'm hopeful that it won't be. The good thing about space is that it's big enough that you can say "Hey, this is really disconnected from the previous storyline because, y'know, time and space" and it's cool.

James

Remember 1 rule about EA and press releases though

They lie through their teeth

Unionhawk

8:43 PM

@TimStone Nah, I'm pretty sure that explosion was the pyrotechnics on the Xbone Hype Train. I hear they have free dorritos and mountain dew too

Yuuki

@TimStone It is after all taking place in an entirely different galaxy.

Unionhawk

FUN FACT TIME: dorritos actually make for great fire starters

TRUEFAX BROUGHT TO YOU BY @UNI

Yuuki

@James Yeah, the biggest thing keeping me from getting any bit excited for the new ME is the fact that there was no gameplay.

All fluff, very little substance.

Fallout 4, on the hand...

Tim Stone

Indeed. The archetype of the story doesn't seem that much different than the original trilogy (Humans come across some alien thing, must save galaxy, etc), but I'm okay with that.

Frank

@TimStone There are humans in another galaxy!? STARGATE!

Unionhawk

8:46 PM

It does sort of feel like the first 3 are a trilogy, and 4 is supposed to be a "well, fuck, this is still making money, and we kind of sealed off that trilogy. now what?"

Tim Stone

@Yuuki Yeah, given the release isn't until Holiday 2016 that's not surprising. I'll try not to drive the hype train too fast until I see more but I'm not worried yet.

Unionhawk

Or maybe I'm a cynical fuck who doesn't know what he's talking about.

We'll find out Q1 2017, I guess

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk I mean, that's not entirely wrong. But it's not much different than trying to introduce a whole new IP.

James

@Yuuki I've not watched all the vids, just the intro one with character creation then quick showcasing of stuff.

Tim Stone

It would have been way worse if they somehow tried to extend the trilogy somehow.

Unionhawk

8:47 PM

@TimStone It's a little different, in that people know Mass Effect and there is likely to be something of a guaranteed market.

James

I am eager to get some time to watch the rest

Frank

@TimStone Except you now have an entrenched fanbase that will crucify you for every mistake, imagined or otherwise.

Yuuki

@James Boy are you in for a treat when you get caught up.

Frank

But will also slavishly buy your game, anyways.

James

I saw flashes of being able to build stuff

Which I have to say is about damn time

The thing that always pissed me off about Fallout was like

OMG You people have lived here for 10 years!?

Tim Stone

8:48 PM

@Unionhawk Of course. Not necessarily a bad thing though, since you get to keep familiar mechanics but make a "different" game. We'll see. I've always loved Mass Effect, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

James

CLEAN UP THAT PILE OF FUCKING DUST!!!

Or the like :)

Yuuki

@James Not only do you get to build a base, you get to build your own settlement.

Unionhawk

@TimStone Yeah, we shall see

Yuuki

As in, you can entice people to live there.

Unionhawk

WE SHALL SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I hope it's good

James

8:49 PM

@Yuuki Ooooo

Very nice :)

Yuuki

And there will be base defense.

Unionhawk

No actual game fan wants EA to continue being shit

Yuuki

Raiders will try to wreck your s--- and you can build guard towers for NPCs to use and turrets.

James

@Unionhawk Most people accept that all things do end eventually though.

Tim Stone

If it ends up being bad I'll just cry my tears of sorrow into Elite or something.

Sterno

8:49 PM

Well, shit. The Dark Souls III announcement just reminded me I still need to finish Bloodborne

Tim Stone

FOR SPACE JUSTICE

Unionhawk

@TimStone Just, buy a sidewinder and crash it into something?

I kind of want to do that now

Tim Stone

Probably

Frank

@TimStone Everyone will have abandoned Elite by that point for Star Citizen.

James

@Yuuki Is it like.. if you recruit all the people form another town is that town empty?

Unionhawk

8:50 PM

Because that sounds hilarious

James

Are there a finite number of settlers?

Oh.. can you make a bandit town!? :D

Unionhawk

I wonder of the station counts as a ship for purposes of ramming at speed

FOR SCIENCE!

IN LIKE 20 MINUTES

Tim Stone

@Frank Possibly, yes. I backed that game at way too high of a level in retrospect. I can't believe there's any way they're going to get all those pieces together in any sort of coherent manner.

I mean if they do it might be the most epic game project in the history of forever.

But that seems unlikely.

Unionhawk

So far though...

So far it seems like a mess

So...

Skeptical @Uni is beyond skeptical

Frank

@TimStone That's why I didn't back it at all.

Yuuki

8:51 PM

@James No, I think new NPCs spawn in.

Frank

It sounds too pie in the sky for me.

Tim Stone

My real problem is that somehow I totally missed the Elite Kickstarter.

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Don't think it does.

Tim Stone

Otherwise I would have backed that instead, and would have been satisfied.

Yuuki

I rammed the station yesterday and didn't get shot at.

Tim Stone

8:52 PM

Someone go back in time and talk some sense into me.

user15026

@TimStone prepares the time machine

MBraedley

> Oops! Our servers are a bit overloaded right now.

I guess I'll be waiting a bit before changing my master password.

James

@Yuuki Can defenitely see that being neat...

Id really like a skyrim level fallout game

MadMAxJr

I wouldn't mind F4 borrowing a couple elder scrolls traits. Like skill progressing from frequent usage.

I'm not looking forward to people using the dog to check everything for traps though. :<

Frank

Apparently, a proper FF7 remake is going to be announced tonight.

Sterno

9:02 PM

@MBraedley Time to change password123 to 123password!

Yuuki

@James I've been excited for settlement building ever since the Lonesome Road DLC.

MadMAxJr

@Frank .... Do you have any conclusive evidence of this?

Yuuki

Now that I think about it, it's kinda foreshadowing for it.

user15026

@Sterno but that's my password! you cant steal it!

Frank

@MadMAxJr siliconera.com/2015/06/15/…

MadMAxJr

9:03 PM

Damn, blocked by work filter.

Come onnnnn Square... Do good, remake FF6.

Because I need to see a man suplex a ghost train in stunning 4k

badp

The new pyrowheel

@MadMAxJr archive.is/Lu3CL

MBraedley

@Sterno No, I use qwerty123456789 for everything. It's nice and long, but easy to remember.

MadMAxJr

Just hammer in a random 64 bit string and use password reset every time you need to do anything elven.

badp

FIFY

MadMAxJr

Also, this isn't bad for password management. passwordcard.org

user15026

9:07 PM

Anything is better than the people I know who keep their passwords in a notepad doc on their desktop.

Frank

@AshleyNunn And label it, "passwords.txt"

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn I dunno, I think the people who keep their password on a sticky note posted on their monitor is worse.

badp

@AshleyNunn and yet, ironically, they're really close to doing it right

James

@Yuuki Never played that

user15026

@Yuuki At the call center I used to work at if you did that they would then take the sticky note and then lock you out of things

badp

9:09 PM

you just need to use something that takes that and strongly encrypts it

Yuuki

@James The Lonesome Road DLC revealed a bit about the Courier's backstory.

badp

then you can save all sorts of randomly generated passwords in it no sweat.

user15026

@badp on an unlocked computer, where the file is always open..... :P

James

@Yuuki Ah, New Vegas?

Yuuki

@James Yeah.

James

9:09 PM

I only played the main story of that one and then we so very much done with that game

badp

@AshleyNunn still way better than "fredy911" for everything

James

Getting your revenge half way through the story line bugged me

Yuuki

I liked the backstory for the Lonesome Road.

MadMAxJr

Old World Blues was my favorite.

James

I think I own all of the DLC

Maybe I can give that one a peek

MadMAxJr

9:10 PM

Half because the guy who voices Dr.Venture is one of the scientists in Old World Blues.

James

Most of the DLC looked a bit. odd.. like the science stuffs

Yuuki

@MadMAxJr Old World Blues was fun and wacky, but Lonesome Road was surprisingly good, story-wise.

I do like how all the DLC tied into each other though.

James

another thing about Fallout 4

I think that means ... 3 years until the next elder scrolls? :D

Yuuki

But yeah, playing Xbox 360 games on Xbox One requires some sort of disc install.

user15026

Landlord called, they're swapping out the router. Said I will have internet by 7 pm. Who wants to take bets on whether or not I am tethering to my phone all night?

Yuuki

9:15 PM

@AshleyNunn That's a sucker's bet.

user15026

(I am tentatively hopeful it is magic and works, but I am not holding my breath)

user15026

@Yuuki Especially with my internet.

Yuuki

2

Tim Stone

@Yuuki Worth the inconvenience to be able to put my 360 away, I think

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: how do Steps and Pokemon gen IV O-powers relate?

I heard that the number of steps you have collected on the given day affects the speed of O-power green light ball thingys(what you need to use O-powers) regen rate. How does this work?

pokemon-sixth-gen

-1

Q: Minecraft - Server EULA

Maybe this would go in legal, but I appreciate your answer to this question. Recently, Microsoft acquired Mojang. Did they change the EULA for Minecraft allowing us to use in game cash in our server etc. Thanks, PROGrammer

minecraft minecraft-server server-administration

Yuuki

9:19 PM

Either you have to install the disc to your HDD or reading the disc prompts some sort of download from Xbox Live to your HDD.

Unionhawk

@Lazers no. You are expressly disallowed still, and this won't change. Deal with it.

fredley

9:34 PM

Downvote all opinions

Frank

@fredley I am somewhat saddened that everything has been downvoted. It doesn't give us a clear road forward.

fredley

@Frank The road forward is just to delete everything and everyone involved

MadMAxJr

The road forward is paved with downvotes.

fredley

ACCOUNT CLOSED FOR HAVING OPINIONS

Yuuki

How to move on: burn everything in your path.

Frank

9:36 PM

@fredley I can agree with the everything. And everyone, so long as everyone doesn't include me.

Yuuki

To cinders!

MadMAxJr

Shouldn't there be a little rainbow in here spouting mod abuse about now?

Lazers 2.0

-1

Q: Server Login Error: Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException:java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsExcept

I've been trying to login tothis server and this error code appears: Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException:java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsExcept